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DL Daily JFK-KEF SUMMER2013  
User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

Nice to see DL adding more international from JFK but what is the real demand NY to Iceland. Im assuming Icelandair being in the market for years has quite a leg up and it cant be so much demand for both, or is there? After re-reading i see this not a new route for DL but an increase so i guess the loads mustve been good enough to warrant the added 2 days. Anyone know this past summer LF's for both carriers?

DELTA over the weekend (of 21JUL12) has loaded its summer 2013 schedule for New York JFK – Reykjavik route, which sees the Skyteam member to operate daily service starting 24MAY13. In Summer 2011 and 2012, DELTA operated this route 5 times a week.

Planned schedule:

DL052 JFK2310 – 0855+1KEF 752 D
DL051 KEF1150 – 1350JFK 752 D

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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7083 times:

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Thread starter):


Nice to see DL adding more international from JFK but what is the real demand NY to Iceland.

Iceland is a relatively popular tourist destination during the summer. During winter the traffic collapses and Icelandair cuts frequency and depends on connections to Europe.

I am glad to see DL operating the route daily next summer. It's not a particularly long flight at only 5 hours in duration. The route is close to daily this summer.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6985 times:
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Quoting NWADTWE16 (Thread starter):
Nice to see DL adding more international from JFK but what is the real demand NY to Iceland.

Keep in mind that JFK is a huge transfer hub, so they have connections from all across the country to fill a 757.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6630 times:

Keep in mind too that Icelandair carries US traffic to Europe via KEF (and a free stopover as I recall). Maybe it got to the point where they were poaching enough of DL's traffic for DL to make a market response.

User currently onlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3132 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

It would be nice to see a tag on service to EDI.


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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1167 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

Never understood why we don't do JFK-KEF-AMS-KEF-JFK

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
Keep in mind that JFK is a huge transfer hub, so they have connections from all across the country to fill a 757.

If they really want to they could run a 737-7/800 on this route if the traffic is lower at certain times during the week, couldn't they?



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 5):
Never understood why we don't do JFK-KEF-AMS-KEF-JFK

If KLM is not interested in AMS-KEF, why would Delta be interested? CPH is the busiest market out of KEF anyway.

Personally I am a bit surprised we don't have EWR-KEF on UA. A 737-800 would be a good airplane for that route.



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User currently onlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3132 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
Personally I am a bit surprised we don't have EWR-KEF on UA. A 737-800 would be a good airplane for that route.

You give us EDI, we'll give you KEF. Deal?



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

Going to Europe via KEF is really nice. Clear immigration at KEF, stretch your legs, then off to the Continent refreshed. You can't beat it.


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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4756 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 9):

Going to Europe via KEF is really nice. Clear immigration at KEF, stretch your legs, then off to the Continent refreshed. You can't beat it.

personally, I tend to disagree. Flying US east coast to Europe via KEF is a guarantee of a complete sleepless night. I favor non-stop to maximize sleep time.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2885 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 5):
Never understood why we don't do JFK-KEF-AMS-KEF-JFK

If DL enjoyed fifth freedom rights on the route, sure why not? I'd expect the answer is in the fact that KLM doesn't operate the KEF-AMS route already, I don't see too many people wanting to have a one stop flight JFK-AMS either, and I'm not sure there is enough Iceland origin traffic to warrant a flight to AMS even with beyond to the world connections. Would a 738 or 73G be able to operate this kind of flight w/o payload restrictions?



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4574 times:
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Cool news,

Iceland is amazing, I have been there. But in winter it is dark and sad. But summer is awesome. This is not surprising at all.

Maybe UA is not interested in seasonal market. Make no mistake, it is a seasonal market without the connections FI offers.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 5):
Never understood why we don't do JFK-KEF-AMS-KEF-JFK
Quoting brilondon (Reply 6):
If they really want to they could run a 737-7/800 on this route if the traffic is lower at certain times during the week, couldn't they?

Personally I've always been a little surprised that no one has jumped at some of these TATL routes that can be operated with 737/A320's. BOS-KEF, BOS-PDL, NYC-KEF, NYC-PDL, seem almost too obvious for an airline like B6 or DL to operate seasonal service. Heck, I suspect that BOS-PDL would even work year round with a 737-700/A320. Hopefully we'll see these routes when DL receives their new 739ER or B6 their A320 with sharklets.


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1819 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Personally I've always been a little surprised that no one has jumped at some of these TATL routes that can be operated with 737/A320's. BOS-KEF, BOS-PDL, NYC-KEF, NYC-PDL, seem almost too obvious for an airline like B6 or DL to operate seasonal service. Heck, I suspect that BOS-PDL would even work year round with a 737-700/A320. Hopefully we'll see these routes when DL receives their new 739ER or B6 their A320 with sharklets.

Air Canada has for a while now operated YYT (St. John's) to LHR with an A319. Interestingly, it's not even their longest route on the A319.

I always thought that AC should try something like YYZ or YUL to KEF, continuing on to ARN, OSL or HEL with an A319. I don't think any of these destinations could justify a 763, but I know there's a decent-sized Finnish population in Canada (for example), that could take advantage of a one-stop service through KEF.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):

A 737 is capable of operating from KEF to any of the northeast US airports such as IAD PHL EWR JFK OR BOS.

Quoting FI642 (Reply 9):

Going to Europe via KEF is really nice. Clear immigration at KEF, stretch your legs, then off to the Continent refreshed. You can't beat it.


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I think going via KEF from the US is rather miserable. The European bank leaves Iceland at 7am which is the middle of the nigh US time. I much prefer a nonstop flight with a later departure time from the US so I can get a few hours of sleep. Not to mention that FI does not have a reasonable business class for sleeping.



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7128 posts, RR: 87
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Can't make IST or PRG work but they want to try KEF with FI flying already? Is this seasonal?   

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
If KLM is not interested in AMS-KEF, why would Delta be interested? CPH is the busiest market out of KEF anyway.

UA is gonna dump EWR-CPH maybe they'll use the 752 to KEF and actually make it work.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
Personally I am a bit surprised we don't have EWR-KEF on UA. A 737-800 would be a good airplane for that route.


User currently offlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 865 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 15):
I think going via KEF from the US is rather miserable. The European bank leaves Iceland at 7am which is the middle of the nigh US time. I much prefer a nonstop flight with a later departure time from the US so I can get a few hours of sleep

It sounds like you're missing the whole point of going via Iceland. You're supposed to spend a couple of days in Iceland. I'd think it would be popular with hikers/climbers/kayakers on their way to Scandinavia. I've considered doing it.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 15):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):

A 737 is capable of operating from KEF to any of the northeast US airports such as IAD PHL EWR JFK OR BOS.

You could cross the Atlantic on a 737-400 with a stop at KEF when FI first started service KEF-YHZ using the 734 sometime in the 1990s.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting johns624 (Reply 17):
It sounds like you're missing the whole point of going via Iceland. You're supposed to spend a couple of days in Iceland. I'd think it would be popular with hikers/climbers/kayakers on their way to Scandinavia. I've considered doing it.

I have done exactly that before and that market really helps FI and hurts other airlines serving KEF. FI is extremely dominant.



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User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

No one has mentioned the cargo factor. There is a huge amount of cargo that is carried on the JFK KEF flight, and that makes a 757 more viable over a 737. That was discussed when Delta originally began the route.

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Very nice to see! I never realized that DL was an option to KEF, but now we can take that long-desired trip to Iceland!


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