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Aeromexico Places Historic $11 Billion Order  
User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26528 times:

Aeromexico have finally placed their aircraft order with Boeing... And a very nice one!  

From Reuters:

"(Reuters) - Mexico's largest airline Aeromexico on Wednesday placed an $11 billion order with Boeing (BA.N), in what the company said was the biggest aircraft investment by a Mexican airline in the country's history.

The order is for 90 737-8 planes and 10 Dreamliners, Aeromexico (AEROMEX.MX) said in a statement.

Aeromexico, which went public last year, said the Dreamliners will begin arriving in the summer of 2013 and the 737-8 aircraft will be delivered starting in 2018"


[Edited 2012-07-25 07:35:36]

Forgot the Link...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...exico-boeing-idUSBRE86O0XC20120725


[Edited 2012-07-25 07:38:51]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26529 times:

Nice 787 order....do we know the mix (if any) of 788/9 and or if they took any 78-10 options?


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26486 times:

Ay carumba!

Good news for AM and Mexican aviation; are those 738 orders for the current 738 or the MAX, because it seems that first delivery falls very close to the EIS of the Max, which suggests (if the are the current model) that they'll be obsolete fairly soon after delivery.

Are all 90 firm, or does AM have the ability to convert at least some to MAX (or MEX?!) model.


User currently offlineLuisKMIA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26359 times:

Wow! AM is basically unopposed in Mexico with the demise of MX, so such a large order makes sense.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26215 times:

Looks like they want to replace all 767s and 777s rather soon.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26147 times:

Quoting mffoda (Thread starter):
Dreamliners will begin arriving in the summer of 2013
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
....do we know the mix (if any) of 788/9 and or if they took any 78-10 options?

If they're getting them starting in 2013 they have to be 787-8s, receiving them so soon makes me wonder if some of them are the overweight aicraft that were previously supposed to be delivered to other carriers.



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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26090 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
are those 738 orders for the current 738 or the MAX

WSJ has them as all MAX orders. And has the 787's as all 789's...



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 25921 times:

Fantastic news for AM and Boeing. Good to see they ordered 10 789s. That will bring 787s on order to 17.

Quoting mffoda (Reply 6):

That should be correct. It was rumored the order was going to be for 70 planes at first. Seems like they might have got a good deal from Boeing to have added 20 more planes.

Hope they covert some of those 738 MAX orders to 739MAX.   


User currently offlineHmelawyer From United States of America, joined May 2011, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 25881 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 6):
WSJ has them as all MAX orders. And has the 787's as all 789's...

But as someone else has mentioned, WSJ also has them starting to deliver in summer 2013 which is impossible if they are 789. Either the EIS is wrong or the type is wrong in the story.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 25781 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 6):
WSJ has them as all MAX orders. And has the 787's as all 789's...

Boeing confirmed in their tweeter account its 90 MAX.

Link on the rendering:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboeingcompany/7643911422/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboeingcompany/7643966824/


edit: 787 livery

[Edited 2012-07-25 08:17:57]


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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 25774 times:
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This is great news! Felicitamos to AM!

The 762ERs do need to go.They are getting elderly and can't be fuel efficient at all for any of the routes they are flying.

I think some of the 90 MAX orders will be for the 737-7 as well as the 737-8. I can't see AM replacing the entire 73G/73Hs with all 737-8s! That doesn't make since. They need to be able to adjust capacity according to demand which they can't do with all 737-8s. I think a third of the order will be for 737-7s (30ish), 737-8s (50ish), and possibly 737-9s (10). I do think AM needs to have an a/c with a bit more capacity than the 737-8 along with the range.


User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 25704 times:

Quoting Hmelawyer (Reply 8):
But as someone else has mentioned, WSJ also has them starting to deliver in summer 2013 which is impossible if they are 789. Either the EIS is wrong or the type is wrong in the story.



Is it not possible they are receiving their 787-8's they already have on order in 2013 and the 9's will already come later. As we aviation enthusiasts see far to often, a journalist might not know the difference between -8's or -9's and simply heard they are receiving 787's next year.



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 25611 times:

Official press release:


http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2362



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User currently offlinetistpaa727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 331 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 25283 times:
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Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):
Is it not possible they are receiving their 787-8's they already have on order in 2013 and the 9's will already come later. As we aviation enthusiasts see far to often, a journalist might not know the difference between -8's or -9's and simply heard they are receiving 787's next year.

Exactly what I was thinking. The 2013 deliveries are for the previous order.



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 24528 times:

That's great news!!! I knew Boeing could win that order


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User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23866 times:

Wow. great order! Congrats to the airline and Boeing as well.  

User currently offlineUNITED91 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23795 times:

Quoting mffoda (Thread starter):
The order is for 90 737-8 planes and 10 Dreamliners

Great news for both AM and Boeing!

Quoting na (Reply 4):
Looks like they want to replace all 767s and 777s rather soon.

Doesn't AM still have 777's on order? I think those will stay around for awhile.

As for the 767's, times almost up.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12961 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23793 times:

The press release clarifies a few points raised above:

Quote:

The commitment by Mexico’s largest airline includes up to 90 737 MAX 8s and 9s and ten 787s, worth $10.8 billion at average list price when all aircraft are firmed. Boeing looks forward to working with Aeroméxico to finalize the details, at which time the airplanes will be posted to the Boeing Orders & Deliveries website as a firm order.
Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
are those 738 orders for the current 738 or the MAX

MAX 8 and MAX 9.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
Are all 90 firm

Actually, the presser always uses the term "commitment" instead of order, and as above, says they'll be announced as firm via their orders web site.

Quoting mffoda (Reply 6):
And has the 787's as all 789's...

The presser consistently says 787 but does not give a model.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
If they're getting them starting in 2013 they have to be 787-8s, receiving them so soon makes me wonder if some of them are the overweight aicraft that were previously supposed to be delivered to other carriers.

The presser didn't give a date.

In any case, ANA and JAL have said even the early 787s are a huge leap over the 767.



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User currently offlineMJBATC12 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23376 times:

Quoting na (Reply 4):
Quoting na (Reply 4):
Looks like they want to replace all 767s and 777s rather soon.

Those 777's aren't old at all... maybe a few from the 90's? I would sell them to someone like UA or DL or something, could come in handy for someone like UA or DL in this case. The 762's are old.. those have to go along with US'a 762's...



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User currently offlineFF22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23121 times:

Great news for AM! Now we need a new airport at MEX.

User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22955 times:

AM was/is using the 777 on which routes mostly?

User currently offlineFF22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22827 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 20):
AM was/is using the 777 on which routes mostly?

MAD, GRU, NRT, PVG all those routes are a mix of 777 and 767


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22225 times:

Quoting UNITED91 (Reply 16):

There are no 777s on order. AM has 738s on order.


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22089 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 10):
I think some of the 90 MAX orders will be for the 737-7 as well as the 737-8. I can't see AM replacing the entire 73G/73Hs with all 737-8s!

Agreed. Plus, Boeing is no doubt looking hard for a 737-7 launch customer and will no doubt discount prices for that carrier to assure the market the -7 is a go.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAtlflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 21781 times:

Looks like they are getting 787-9s according to this press release from Grupo Aeromexico.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grupo-...es-most-significant-142300146.html


25 g500 : I read Aeromexico will fly direct MEX-NRT/PVG when the 787s arrive. Good to see them bypassing that annoying stop at TIJ due to MEX's altitude Congrat
26 jfk777 : AM has heavy use of their 777 and 767 to Asia, Brazil and Europe, while the 767 are probably a year or two from their next owners the 777 are fairly
27 Stitch : Some airlines who fly both the 737-700 and 737-800 have found that the trip costs between the two are so close, that the extra seats on the 737-800 a
28 Atlflyer : Is it true AM's 777s really have 18.5" width, 34 inch pitch and 14 degrees of recline (according to seat guru)? I hope they configure these new 787s w
29 mpdpilot : Yeah those 777s were delivered in mid 2000's so relatively young. They are leased though so I would imagine that the lessor will find them a home sho
30 Post contains images Fyano773 : From the Boeing news release (note that the engine cowlings on the 787 are all white): AM will leverage this new platform comprised essentially by onl
31 United_fan : Maybe the -200's,but the -300's recently recieved winglets.
32 MJBATC12 : Yeah I imagine that hopefully Delta will buy them to replace the retiring B763A's? If they can fill those, that will be a good profit on some shorter
33 Post contains images glideslope : Wow. Quite a year so far. Nice order.
34 mpdpilot : I kind of doubt that DL will take 777s to replace 767-300s. More likely they would be used on routes where capacity and range are needed. Perhaps rep
35 MJBATC12 : Yeah true there on the deal part. But still, if you want to run 777's between let's say ATL and LAX, or JFK, it would be nearly ideal because you cou
36 KELPkid : IIRC, Doesn't AM have two 788's on order already?
37 Fyano773 : 2 788s ordered from Boeing and seemingly 7 788s leased from ILFC. The 10 789s announced today are on top of the previous orders and leases.
38 EddieDude : Not true at all. They face huge competition domestically from Volaris, Interjet and Viva Aerobus; their ability to offer lower fares than AM has resu
39 flood : Two key words in this release: "a commitment by Aeromexico to purchase up to 100 single- and twin-aisle airplanes" "includes up to 90 737 MAX 8s and
40 Polot : They have 5 leased from ILFC unless they have leased 2 additional ones since late March. With the 2 previously ordered and the 10 new orders, that gi
41 EddieDude : Yes, it was also my understanding that AM was going to receive seven -800s, some from Boeing and some from ILFC. The first bird of the 788 batch shou
42 JAAlbert : The Boeing press release says the 737 order is split between the 737-8 and 737-9. I wouldn't rely to much on this article -- at one point it says AM
43 AR385 : Does this order qualify as one of the largest ever in the history of Latin american commercial aviation, both in monetary amount and in quantity by a
44 Roseflyer : I believe this is the largest single order. GOL and TAM have had more airplanes on order than this single order, but they were ordered incrementally.
45 AR385 : Well, then. This is really historic after all.
46 XA744 : This is wonderful news for everyone in Mexican aviation, indeed. The country deserves an updated and true world class industry. Finally, an airline is
47 totesen : Well AeroMexico is replacing their 40 Embraer 145 with E170 (3 ex-midwest were delivered this month) and still 12 new E190 comming to the fleet. S th
48 xaapb : Great news!!! Glad finally it was announced, now let's hope it's confirmed by AM and Boeing, as stated above: Might sound a little confusing the way y
49 MotorHussy : So the fleet will look like 789, 788, 739, 738, E190, E170, with the possibility of the 787-10? Nice. With (up to) 20 787's in the future AM fleet, I
50 EddieDude : The AM press release has several mistakes. I would stick to the Boeing press release, which is clearer. It is man. More than 10 billion dollars worth
51 AR385 : Ok. I know I´ve asked this in the past. But seriously now. Anybody have some sort of credible info. on what is AM to do with 19 787s? And I now expan
52 justloveplanes : I think there will be plenty of opportunities for not-daily-frequencies for 787's to major tourist destinations like Cancun. Might even have a few dai
53 AM001 : Agreed! Also, the idea of building a fleet of factory-fresh, identically configured last-generation planes is fantastic from the perspective of the o
54 EddieDude : AM bosses probably have a very good idea what to do with the 17 787s, but the ideas I would toy with if I were in charge of fleet planning and aircra
55 LatinPlane : It's going to take nine years for AM to get the complete order of the 19 787s, so they have plenty of time to analyse how they plan to use these plane
56 PDPsol : These long haul markets are certainly interesting for AM. I would even include GIG, especially if the new administration decides to open Mexico's ene
57 Post contains links and images Fyano773 : Yes. Chief executive, Conesa, in a radio interview yesterday (in Spanish): Formula Financiera entrevista a director de Aeroméxico, por la compra de
58 AR385 : I agree with you in general, but I have some doubts. Given the current situation in Spain, I´m not sure about the increased frequencies to MAD. Alth
59 EddieDude : Very good point my friend. The fact is that GIG should be seriously considered by AM. Btw, Pemex and Petrobras already cooperate, and several Brazili
60 Post contains images LatinPlane : It almost appears that AeroMexico's management strongly feels that PEMEX will be open to outside investment in the coming years and if so, stimulate
61 Revelation : Yes, that is the first unambiguous reference I've seen. I could see them wanting the 787-10 once it is announced, which is supposed to happen early n
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