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UA To Outsource All Former CO Cargo Stations  
User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13842 times:

They just announced today that all the remaining former CO Cargo operations are to be outsourced by 2013, including all hubs... not sure the exact number of employees affected, probably close to 1,500 -2,000...so much for all the "growth opportunities"... already cutting costs...

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User currently onlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8269 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13835 times:

Outstanding. Another reason to love the new UA.


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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1676 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13752 times:

Quoting tsnamm (Thread starter):
They just announced today that all the remaining former CO Cargo operations are to be outsourced by 2013, including all hubs... not sure the exact number of employees affected, probably close to 1,500 -2,000...so much for all the "growth opportunities"... already cutting costs...
Quoting N766UA (Reply 1):
Outstanding. Another reason to love the new UA.

tsnamm, did you even read the whole announcement? That is no where NEAR the full color of the text that was announced. Just so everyone is clear, this was the most minor piece of a major announcement about INSOURCING several airports. And all planeside cargo handling will still be done by mainline employees.

Sheesh.


User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13735 times:

Jeff makes the best Kool-Aid! I know he hates that the IAM won the Ramp vote. Him and his minions were biting at the bit to have the 15,000 Rampers under that crappy Teamster contract. I feel sorry for those CO guys. I hope they can find jobs somewhere in the system.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25390 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13736 times:

Well much of sUA Cargo side has been outsourced already for years, including even at large stations like LAX.

Management by now certainly must have good data to well compare the benefits/downside of going out for the work.



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User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13692 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 2):
tsnamm, did you even read the whole announcement? That is no where NEAR the full color of the text that was announced. Just so everyone is clear, this was the most minor piece of a major announcement about INSOURCING several airports. And all planeside cargo handling will still be done by mainline employees.

I didn't have to read it, HR told us face to face...ALL Cargo is being outsourced period...EWR,IAH,JFK,,LAX,CLE,MIA etc...tell all the employees losing their jobs that it's a minor piece...they're not insourcing anything...


User currently offlineco/ba From United States of America, joined May 2001, 399 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13572 times:

It does not look like bringing 5 small outstations in house is going to assist all of the displaced cargo employees. I'm sure everyone saw this coming. The rumors have been around for a while.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13569 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 2):
And all planeside cargo handling will still be done by mainline employees.

And it would be my guess that he's talking about the cargo "processing" not loading on the ramp by ramp employees.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13446 times:

[quote=mayor,reply=7]And it would be my guess that he's talking about the cargo "processing" not loading on the ramp by ramp employees.[/quote

Yes all the warehouse and Post Office work...it will be close to 1,000 jobs lost between EWR,IAH alone...what few ramp insourcing jobs they get at those small stations will not be able to make up the difference...also due to the current status of the 2 separate contracts, any bumping rights can only be exercised into sCO ramp operations...


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25390 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13431 times:

Yes its the cargo warehouse work.


And United is not the only one. AA just this week notified its MIA staff that it would outsource its cargo customer service and warehouse work commencing in October as well.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13363 times:

Is there anywhere "official" to read this notice?

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13290 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):

And United is not the only one. AA just this week notified its MIA staff that it would outsource its cargo customer service and warehouse work commencing in October as well.

comparing a BK airline, who can pretty much do anything it wants, to one that isn't in BK? sounds like you work in management



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 11):
comparing a BK airline, who can pretty much do anything it wants, to one that isn't in BK? sounds like you work in management

As has been said, UA did this before, probably when THEY were in BK. All they're doing is completing it after the merger with CO. DL did this, twice, before BK. The first time was in '95 and we finally convinced management that if staffed with DL agents, we could do a better job than the contractor and we did. The second time was right after I retired in '05, just before the BK. I hope it's working this time, but I wouldn't bet on it. The difference with DL is, at least in the hubs, they didn't outsource customer service or any of the other office jobs.....just the warehouse.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25390 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13179 times:

Comparisons are valid. Its an industry trend.

UA has had contracted warehouses for ages - I remember when Swissport got the contract maybe 10-years ago for ORD, SFO, LAX, DEN, IAD, and several smaller stations. Now the CO side is simply falling in line with having its stations comparably contracted out.

Regarding AA, they are also simply catching up to their peers. Having it in-house obviously is part of their greater cost issue.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineGolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13074 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
Yes its the cargo warehouse work.

As a regular CO Cargo EWR customer (pick ups) I am not happy to hear this.

To the workers, thanks for all the years of outstanding service.


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13023 times:

It is an absolute shame to see what has happen to CO. I have been flying them for years now. I saw them pulled themselves out of the gutter to being number one. Say what you want but IMO no other US airline hit rock bottom like CO did right before Bethune stepped in. Little by little over the past few years, I have seen management chip away at what made this airline great. I really feel sorry for the employees. My heart goes out to all those losing their jobs.


Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1676 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12944 times:

Quoting cargolex (Reply 10):
Is there anywhere "official" to read this notice?

Not at the moment.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12651 times:

How about ramp? When will they come to together in cities that had both PMCO and PMUA service?


PHX Ramp, hottest place on earth
User currently offlineEWRamp From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12634 times:

I think its crazy that I heard this info here first, instead of hearing it from the company. Looks like I need to start making a plan B.

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1676 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12544 times:

Quoting EWRamp (Reply 18):
I think its crazy that I heard this info here first, instead of hearing it from the company. Looks like I need to start making a plan B.

Well, we heard it from the company. Some distribution channels internally are faster than others, and being a.net whoever gets it first often feels the compulsive need to post it immediately instead of having the respect for their co-workers to hear it themselves straight from the horses mouth.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12443 times:

Not good news. Man, Smisek really is a POS. For a long time I tried to not compare him to Lorenzo, but he is really turning into a Lorenzo 'lite'.

Supposedly Q2 earnings are not going to be good. Hopefully he'll get removed and this airline can be reborn.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineBC77008 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12408 times:

$mi$ek is a FLIBS (Frank Lorenzo in better suit). But I really love this culture of working together™ and treating eachother with Dignity® and Respect® that he is building. Such an exciting, exciting time at UA.


"He waited his whole damn life to take that flight. And as the plane crashed down he thought 'Well isn't this nice...'"
User currently offline777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12277 times:

BC77008, I assume you are also on the 27th floor here in Chicago?? If so, I'd love to see more interaction from the CO/UA crews. I don't get the whole tension. Oh well.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3969 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11428 times:
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Quoting 777ord (Reply 22):

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User currently offlineBC77008 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10314 times:

Quoting 777ord (Reply 22):
BC77008, I assume you are also on the 27th floor here in Chicago?? If so, I'd love to see more interaction from the CO/UA crews. I don't get the whole tension. Oh well.

No, I don't work on the 27th floor, but my partner does. We moved here from Houston this past April. He says very much the same thing, that he'd like to see more interaction among the CO and UA crews. He says it's like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing right now. Anyway, my post above is to be taken with just a grain of salt and was basically spoken in jest. Please don't take me too seriously. I was lucky enough to get a job at ExpressJet as an FA based in ORD (something I've always wanted to do!)



"He waited his whole damn life to take that flight. And as the plane crashed down he thought 'Well isn't this nice...'"
25 tpaewr : It is all kinda sad, the total sum of this transaction. Sometimes I am almost thankful we kept the "United" name. It would be worse to have the CO I k
26 T5towbar : I know there is about 400-500 at EWR. We were told today that they were going to outsource Cargo The turnover to the vendor will take place early nex
27 Max Q : Great shame but Smisek the buffoon will be gone soon. The writing is on the wall.
28 Post contains images ual777uk : Bring back Tilton!
29 A318 : Pardon my ignorance, but why do I keep seeing a lowercase 's' before CO and UA?
30 idlewildchild : Sadly I don't think there's an industry that isn't outsourcing labor, from airlines to accountants to lawyers. Anywhere the 'grunt' work can get done
31 Post contains links STT757 : $545 Million dollar profit, $339 Million when including special charges. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...second-quarter-2012-113000230.html
32 klwright69 : To distinguish between what assets were originally CO and UA premerger. S means subsidiary. Remember it is called United Continental Holdings.
33 ABQopsHP : My guess is the remaining field stations, that have yet to be outsourced will be coming down the line. The trend was already happening on both sides
34 RDH3E : FWIW, when UA outsources a station they don't keep any management IN the station. They have management centrally for each outsourced partner. CO kept
35 cle757 : Two days later and still no official notice from the union (IAM)
36 T5towbar : You know the IAM has nothing to say on this one. I got the chance to ask Delaney this question when he and his people were at the EWR meet-and-greet,
37 FI642 : You get what you pay for. Cargo used to be such an important component. I guess it isn't any more.
38 F9animal : So glad I didn't take the job offer from CO a few years ago! I would have been really sad today.
39 cle757 : Well thanks to the IBT contract most of these employees can bump to the ramp.
40 EWRamp : My 5 years senority isnt gonna mean anything compared to the senority of the cargo employees. I guess all I can do is keep my fingers crossed.
41 malaysia : Well I heard that at SFO, they are hiring 100s of new ramp employees 50/50 under sCO and sUA lately, so there could be some opportunity
42 tsnamm : Actually not so...the IBT contract was little more than the Fly to Win handbook with little job protections at all....there are no bumping rights at
43 cle757 : Not true, check again they can bump!
44 T5towbar : Article 7 of the contract says there are bumping rights. Right now, the goal should be the minimizing of job loss. We don't know how many people will
45 tsnamm : I checked the IBT contract...we are both correct...and both wrong...because this is an outsourcing and not a furlough, bumping is allowed "in station
46 cle757 : I think in station bumping is only for part-time employees, but full-time can go to other stations.
47 gigneil : They were announced days ago. $339 million in profits is nothing to sneeze at. NS
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