IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1768 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 20857 times:
Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 2): Or just sounds like QF is going to bed with the enemy?
Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 3): Two weeks ago, it was QF and QR forming an 'alliance'...
The first thing that comes to my head is that QF is more or less trying to duplicate DJ's strategy of establishing a "virtual global hub" by entering into codeshare agreements with stronger players in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and the Americas.
Indeed, that strategy has worked for DJ in terms of capturing a higher-yielding segment of the corporate travel market. QF can only outsource its less profitable routes to JQ for so long.
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2395 posts, RR: 18 Reply 7, posted (10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 20605 times:
Quoting MEA (Thread starter): Here's the latest QF and EK rumour doing the rounds in Australian media:
• QF to cease Frankfurt
• LHR only European port for QF
• DXB to become QF hub for flights to Europe
• QF to focus on flights from Australia to Asia and intra-Asia
I think this report is a tad mis-guided in that I doubt FRA will cease.
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 5): The first thing that comes to my head is that QF is more or less trying to duplicate DJ's strategy of establishing a "virtual global hub" by entering into codeshare agreements with stronger players in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and the Americas.
Not really. QF already has the "virtual global hub" but it is currently at LHR. Moving it from LHR to DXB means its customers don't have to back track to Europe/Middle East areas.
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2395 posts, RR: 18 Reply 13, posted (10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 20326 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10): Basically says QF-EK are looking at an "alliance", where Qantas will rely on EK to " ferry customers across some European destinations, as well as the Middle East and parts of Africa."
QF would route many of its flights into DXB instead of Singapore currently.
While EK gets access to the one thing it wants, the Qantas Frequent Flyer Program. Lets make no mistake, Australia is Emirates 3rd biggest market and access to the largest FF program plus codeshare and connections will help its market presence hugely.
Also QF wouldn't be able to route many of its flight into DXB instead of SIN. The A330's QF uses into SIN from PER, ADL, CNS and other places can't make it to DXB. Realistically the only thing you'll see in DXB, if it happens, are QF A380's.
MilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 839 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 20185 times:
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 13): Also QF wouldn't be able to route many of its flight into DXB instead of SIN. The A330's QF uses into SIN from PER, ADL, CNS and other places can't make it to DXB. Realistically the only thing you'll see in DXB, if it happens, are QF A380's.
A QF 744 PER-DXB would work, and maybe BNE-DXB, but not sure where they will find the aircraft?
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2395 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19870 times:
Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 14): A QF 744 PER-DXB would work, and maybe BNE-DXB, but not sure where they will find the aircraft?
Exactly! Don't forget the QF plan is for them to be down to 9 744's and there are no more A380's coming into the fleet for a few years.
Quoting tayser (Reply 16): & 787s, leaving the 330s currently used to open more Asian ports.
First 787's are going to Jetstar. QF 789's aren't scheduled to start joining the fleet until 2015. That's a 3 year gap in capability. So while eventually you might see it, it's a way off. Realistically it's A380 or bust if it happens now.
Thomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2278 posts, RR: 31 Reply 19, posted (10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19735 times:
I think it makes sense and all of you speaking about the virtual global hub got the biggest issue of QF. It has a very limited home market that with the few exceptions of long-haul flights to JNB and SCL essentially is just in the wrong geographical position for much connecting traffic other than domestic, New Zealand and the rest of Oceania. So what it needs are strong destination points for its long-haul flights with lots of connection opportunities. Working with JetStar subsidiaries overseas (SIN, HKG, NRT) is one thing, but then if you look at oneworld, they are really not in the best position to serve that strategy well. For each long-haul flights, Qantas needs some sort of feed on the other end unless the O&D is strong enough, that is why it for example works closely with China Eastern to make the Shanghai route work.
It needs such partnerships because everyone else (ME, Asian carriers) can beat them by flying to each Australian city non-stop and offering a lot of one-stop connections through their hubs (same problem for the European carriers and what the ME carriers are doing to them, but a bigger issue for QF since they have a smaller home market and fewer own connecting opportunities).
So two, three, four profitable flights to DXB thanks to EK connecting traffic can make a big difference and then it participates itself. MH and UL joining oneworld might help, but they are not the strongest possible partners.
Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
Essentially it's still in discussion with a number of airlines about potential alliances one of which is Emirates. The other, given the media attention, is obviously Qatar. So these articles from Reuters etc are all jumping the gun.
QF isn't really that close with any airline part of oneWorld. Compared to AA/BA/IB/JL, then UA/AC/LH in *A; and last but not least DL/AF/KL/AZ.
QF just provides feed to BA on inter Aussie flights, CX and QF don't cooperate at all (remember QF wanted to open a hub in HKG), QF/AA are close but if QF would leave oneWorld then it wouldn't be a big deal for the two. The DFW flight would just be cut, and then CP isn't around anymore.
QF's biggest problem with leaving oneWorld would be losing feed in LAX from AA, and possibly not having BA behind them in LHR.