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Reports QF To Ditch FRA & Codeshare With EK  
User currently offlineMEA From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 631 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 22653 times:

Here's the latest QF and EK rumour doing the rounds in Australian media:

QF to cease Frankfurt
LHR only European port for QF
DXB to become QF hub for flights to Europe
QF to focus on flights from Australia to Asia and intra-Asia

source: http://m.businessspectator.com.au/bu...L?opendocument&src=rss&modapt=news

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User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 22700 times:
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Does this give us a clue that EK is going to join 1W?


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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3667 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22523 times:

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 1):

Does this give us a clue that EK is going to join 1W?

Or just sounds like QF is going to bed with the enemy?



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 796 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22494 times:

Hi,

Two weeks ago, it was QF and QR forming an 'alliance'...

ThomasCook



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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22397 times:

Based on various topics kicking around a.net - BA loves QR; AB loves EY and now QF loves EK - so it sounds like all the MEB3 airlines are heading to Oneworld.....

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22375 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 2):
Or just sounds like QF is going to bed with the enemy?
Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 3):
Two weeks ago, it was QF and QR forming an 'alliance'...

The first thing that comes to my head is that QF is more or less trying to duplicate DJ's strategy of establishing a "virtual global hub" by entering into codeshare agreements with stronger players in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and the Americas.

Indeed, that strategy has worked for DJ in terms of capturing a higher-yielding segment of the corporate travel market. QF can only outsource its less profitable routes to JQ for so long.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22240 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 3):
Hi,

Two weeks ago, it was QF and QR forming an 'alliance'...

Exactly. Should this be interpreted to mean that QF's deal with QR is off?



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22123 times:

Quoting MEA (Thread starter):
Here's the latest QF and EK rumour doing the rounds in Australian media:

QF to cease Frankfurt
LHR only European port for QF
DXB to become QF hub for flights to Europe
QF to focus on flights from Australia to Asia and intra-Asia

I think this report is a tad mis-guided in that I doubt FRA will cease.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 5):
The first thing that comes to my head is that QF is more or less trying to duplicate DJ's strategy of establishing a "virtual global hub" by entering into codeshare agreements with stronger players in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and the Americas.

Not really. QF already has the "virtual global hub" but it is currently at LHR. Moving it from LHR to DXB means its customers don't have to back track to Europe/Middle East areas.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 21984 times:

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 1):
Does this give us a clue that EK is going to join 1W?

Highly doubt it. EK has no need for alliance membership.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3183 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 21976 times:

This rumour almost sounds as bad as the Qantas International are going to stop serving Perth.

Currently from Perth Qantas have 2 flights a day to Singapore and 3 flights a week to Hong Kong, maybe Jetstar can look after these services.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25383 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 21967 times:

Story by Reuters now.

Basically says QF-EK are looking at an "alliance", where Qantas will rely on EK to " ferry customers across some European destinations, as well as the Middle East and parts of Africa."

QF would route many of its flights into DXB instead of Singapore currently.

Also report says, deal would leave LHR as QF sole European port, and the BA-QF Kangaroo JV might even come to an end.

Story:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/qantas...lks-emirates-report-232852162.html

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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 21910 times:

This will be interesting. Very interesting. Would be weird seeing the red tail at DXB.

Hope this works, for QF's future in international ops


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 21854 times:

Would it also be better for QF to move to Star. They could work with NZ/TG/NH and get better access to China with CA.

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 21844 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Basically says QF-EK are looking at an "alliance", where Qantas will rely on EK to " ferry customers across some European destinations, as well as the Middle East and parts of Africa."

QF would route many of its flights into DXB instead of Singapore currently.

While EK gets access to the one thing it wants, the Qantas Frequent Flyer Program. Lets make no mistake, Australia is Emirates 3rd biggest market and access to the largest FF program plus codeshare and connections will help its market presence hugely.

Also QF wouldn't be able to route many of its flight into DXB instead of SIN. The A330's QF uses into SIN from PER, ADL, CNS and other places can't make it to DXB. Realistically the only thing you'll see in DXB, if it happens, are QF A380's.


User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 21703 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 13):
Also QF wouldn't be able to route many of its flight into DXB instead of SIN. The A330's QF uses into SIN from PER, ADL, CNS and other places can't make it to DXB. Realistically the only thing you'll see in DXB, if it happens, are QF A380's.

A QF 744 PER-DXB would work, and maybe BNE-DXB, but not sure where they will find the aircraft?


User currently offlineJulian773 From Australia, joined Aug 2009, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 21535 times:

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 14):

Agreed.

Well, possibly FRA if the rumours are true.  


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 21410 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 13):
Realistically the only thing you'll see in DXB, if it happens, are QF A380's.

& 787s, leaving the 330s currently used to open more Asian ports.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 21388 times:

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 14):
A QF 744 PER-DXB would work, and maybe BNE-DXB, but not sure where they will find the aircraft?

Exactly! Don't forget the QF plan is for them to be down to 9 744's and there are no more A380's coming into the fleet for a few years.

Quoting tayser (Reply 16):
& 787s, leaving the 330s currently used to open more Asian ports.

First 787's are going to Jetstar. QF 789's aren't scheduled to start joining the fleet until 2015. That's a 3 year gap in capability. So while eventually you might see it, it's a way off. Realistically it's A380 or bust if it happens now.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 21311 times:
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Quoting MEA (Thread starter):
QF to cease Frankfurt
LHR only European port for QF
DXB to become QF hub for flights to Europe
QF to focus on flights from Australia to Asia and intra-Asia

Sounds extremely sensible to me.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 13):
Also QF wouldn't be able to route many of its flight into DXB instead of SIN. The A330's QF uses into SIN from PER, ADL, CNS and other places can't make it to DXB.

I'm surprised the A330 can't make PER-DXB - or is that Qantas specific aircraft?

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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 21253 times:

I think it makes sense and all of you speaking about the virtual global hub got the biggest issue of QF. It has a very limited home market that with the few exceptions of long-haul flights to JNB and SCL essentially is just in the wrong geographical position for much connecting traffic other than domestic, New Zealand and the rest of Oceania. So what it needs are strong destination points for its long-haul flights with lots of connection opportunities. Working with JetStar subsidiaries overseas (SIN, HKG, NRT) is one thing, but then if you look at oneworld, they are really not in the best position to serve that strategy well. For each long-haul flights, Qantas needs some sort of feed on the other end unless the O&D is strong enough, that is why it for example works closely with China Eastern to make the Shanghai route work.

It needs such partnerships because everyone else (ME, Asian carriers) can beat them by flying to each Australian city non-stop and offering a lot of one-stop connections through their hubs (same problem for the European carriers and what the ME carriers are doing to them, but a bigger issue for QF since they have a smaller home market and fewer own connecting opportunities).

So two, three, four profitable flights to DXB thanks to EK connecting traffic can make a big difference and then it participates itself. MH and UL joining oneworld might help, but they are not the strongest possible partners.



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21102 times:

Quoting MEA (Thread starter):
source: http://m.businessspectator.com.au/bu...=news

In relation to this Qantas has made the following announcement to the Stock Exchange;

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20120726/pdf/427m2y4mhzk3w3.pdf

Essentially it's still in discussion with a number of airlines about potential alliances one of which is Emirates. The other, given the media attention, is obviously Qatar. So these articles from Reuters etc are all jumping the gun.


User currently offlinemeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21057 times:

Despite QF being a founding member of Oneworld, I wonder if they would consider leaving to start their own alliance with EK.

User currently offlineboeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20791 times:

Quoting meta (Reply 21):

I was thinking thinking the same exact thing.

QF isn't really that close with any airline part of oneWorld. Compared to AA/BA/IB/JL, then UA/AC/LH in *A; and last but not least DL/AF/KL/AZ.

QF just provides feed to BA on inter Aussie flights, CX and QF don't cooperate at all (remember QF wanted to open a hub in HKG), QF/AA are close but if QF would leave oneWorld then it wouldn't be a big deal for the two. The DFW flight would just be cut, and then CP isn't around anymore.

QF's biggest problem with leaving oneWorld would be losing feed in LAX from AA, and possibly not having BA behind them in LHR.

This will be an interesting story to follow.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20574 times:
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Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 22):
CX and QF don't cooperate at all (remember QF wanted to open a hub in HKG)

QF and MU will launch Jetstar Hong Kong next year.

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 22):
The DFW flight would just be cut

QF could also cut the SYD-SCL flight and discontinue code-sharing on LA's SCL-AKL-SYD route. Coincidentally, CX code-shares on LA's SCL-AKL-SYD route; which has significantly boosted LFs on the route.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20313 times:

QF has reportedly confirmed that they are in talks with EK, along with numerous other airlines.

Source -- AusBT

EK still doesn't make sense to me... Ending the JV with BA and moving towards a more in depth relationship with an Asian/ME airline does though.


25 civetfive : QF and AA have a JV across the South Pacific. Granted, AA doesn't serve Australia (that was actually a selling point for the JV - no loss of competit
26 Post contains links Sydscott : Not going to happen. QF can stay in OW and partner with EK. Again, there is no reason for QF to cease co-operating with LAN. Both acknowledge the boo
27 smbukas : Just landed in FRA from QF5 SIN-FRA. I could say load factor was about 40% in business and 70% in economy. What is interesting, as flight was 2 hours
28 mikey72 : Regards alliances would QF really be retaining LHR on its own metal if it had any plans to leave Oneworld ?
29 thegeek : No doubt. These have a lower MTOW than 233t. However, they could use A332s.
30 Post contains links mariner : It makes sense to this Fairfax writer - he's very excited about it. Perhaps a bit too excited - it'll be a real downer for him if it doesn't happen:
31 qf002 : Hmm, he has a massively idealistic perspective IMO. I could spend all day picking holes in that article... Reading through it actually affirms my opi
32 mikey72 : On the other hand if it is a positive move for them however much a small one then why not ?
33 BNEFlyer : QF don't fly CNS-SIN. But they do fly A330-300's from BNE when the 744 isn't doing the route.
34 mariner : I'm sure. I could, too, But - why? I do think he's right - it does remove, or neutralise, a whinger. Oh. I think Emirates gets quite a lot out of it.
35 mdavies06 : I don't know if it's just me but with all the talks about BA getting in bed with QR (re joining OW) and QF talking to EK, I am thinking that perhaps B
36 ZK-NBT : Hmm maybe this says both remaining LHR flights will go via DXB giving MEL/SYD-DXB daily A380s through to LHR with BNE-DXB on a 744 and PER-DXB a 332
37 SQ22 : Some weeks ago I was looking for flights from FRA to Down Under on LH's webpage. Besides LH via SIN there was a connection with QF on offer. I just c
38 gemuser : BINGO!!! Give that man a prize! The idea of QF/BA killing an alliance that is nearly 80 years old is very unlikely. They have cooperated in so many a
39 ZuluAlpha : You will find that most will agree with you on this matter, that is why there is the ongoing rumour that QF will be moving to BER (Brandenburg) when
40 sq_ek_freak : Believe its an issue of A332 v. A333.
41 mogandoCI : If QF really kills FRA I'd love to hear how the QF loyalists spin it. Just 1 or 2 years ago we constantly hear the "FRA is a cash cow, QF would NEVER
42 jfk777 : Many of these destinations were from times before the alliances changed the airlines route maps. Santiago replacing EZE with the LAN hub is a no-brai
43 Malayil : What are EK's biggest markets? India, UK and Australia in that order? What about after that? Germany, Italy, the US?
44 FRAspotter : Could this maybe be (at least partially) due to the restrictions in regards to operating hours at FRA? I've heard on here a few times that QF has on s
45 n729pa : Aren't QF the sponsor for MH joining One World in Q1/2 2013? Personally IMO I think it's a bit of a headline story. If you are trying to set up a new
46 boeing773ER : I believe they could retain that flight, it is one of the most important flights they have. It is also one of those routes I feel like they would ope
47 redzeppelin : I'm sure that they could work out a deal with AS to still get some good feed at LAX. AA might want to continue codesharing with QF to Australia anywa
48 mogandoCI : If you believe most of the other posters, SFO was actually a consistently profitable route ... who knows where the truth is Actually too many people
49 qf002 : By that logic, EK should be focusing their efforts on forging alliances with AC, LH, AI etc long before they turn their focus to QF. QF does not pose
50 jfk777 : I would be nice if QF could pick up local Dubai pasengers but the real catch is pasengers flying into Dubai on Emirates and conecting to the QF fligh
51 mariner : Opportunity knocks? There is so much bad blood between Emirates and the Canadians, I can't think that one could happen in my lifetime. Australia has
52 mogandoCI : IIRC Germany grants EK something like 40-50 weekly flights. That's more than ample A380 capacity. Germany is not open skies, but definitely wouldn't
53 Viscount724 : It was British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines. As far as I recall BCPA was a completely separate airline with no connection with QF except for the fac
54 theginge : Would that sort of thing not fall foul of competition law?
55 Julian773 : I could see, if rumours are true, QF doing SYD-DXB-BER. That way EK finally gets access to another German port, QF can codeshare with AB out or BER an
56 Post contains images lightsaber : This actually makes sense to me. Put on your game theory hat. 1. Virtual alliance in that QF will not be exclusive. 2. EK is approaching saturation at
57 Sydscott : Let me ask the obvious question in relation to this............why on earth would QF give up flying to FRA, in order to link in with an airline that
58 lightsaber : Money. QF has rights that they might (or might not) be using profitably. With the right revenue sharing, running the last leg for EK would be extreme
59 gemuser : Not necessarily, if they do it properly. Gemuser
60 Sydscott : You're missing the second half which was prefaced around Berlin and Air Berlin. Air Berlin is part owned by Etihad. So if QF were, as posters here ar
61 gemuser : I disagree, IMHO their needs are very similar, ie to compete on the Kangaroo Route. What is different about that? Time has shown that their needs don
62 DeltaB717 : It's possible but I would've thought that, with AB having joined OWA, if QF was struggling with the times at FRA it could simply move the flight to T
63 Post contains links Sydscott : On the contrary, what QF needs is a partner with a hub in either Asia or the Middle East to both pick up and give 1 stop traffic to all points in Eur
64 Post contains images lightsaber : The more I think about this, whom QF partners with in the middle east could shape whom the dominant mid-east carrier is. If QF partners with EK, it is
65 PanHAM : EK does not have a frequency problem in Germany, they can operate additional flights, but only to 4 stations. They can also upgauge all services to A
66 Post contains links mikey72 : Qantas has confirmed talks are in process. http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articl...s+with+emirates+over+alliance.html
67 gemuser : True True I don't see any reason to consider this a conflict of interest. A joint approach for both needs simply makes the deal bigger, more comprehe
68 PanHAM : Another point why moving the QF FRA flight to BER would not solve problems - there are no connections by air to HAM, BRE HAJ LEJ DRS from BER, of whic
69 Quokkas : Interesting part of that article is This is the opposite of many of the speculations being made about QF shuttling passengers to DXB to feed EK while
70 Post contains links YOWza : Where there's smoke there's fire but I think the likelier outcome is that QR joins OneWorld and all of this is just jockeying for position. Take a rea
71 Post contains images lightsaber : Preface, I have changed my opinion and believe QF will keep serving FRA. But let's look at this: The Issue for QF is by only serving LHR and FRA, the
72 fraT : Do you mean STR? Even though there is probably more biz traffic to STR than to BER, both cities have far less than FRA. And STR is reachable by train
73 YOWza : It's not quite as well oiled or defined as EK at DXB but there are definite waves/banks of QR flights at DOH. No doubt about it... And QR does not? I
74 Post contains images qf002 : Given Tim Clark's comments on the potential relationship, it's clear that any deal with EK would be significantly less involved than most of us think
75 Post contains images lightsaber : oops. Yes. Agreed. I changed my opinion. My interpretation is QF could serve up to 4 German cities. Thus FRA, BER, STR, and ???. Agreed. But EK has t
76 qf002 : Given other recent moves and comments from the airline, I'd say that they are looking long term with this. They have to be, because the market is onl
77 lightsaber : Agreed. But I was talking power, not money for EK not being as good long term. If EK and QF partner, it takes QF's most dangerous competitor and turn
78 Post contains images mariner : Unless I;m misreading you, I don't really see the difference. Even if it were to be Oman Air (I jest, but only in part) the same rule applies - anoth
79 mdavies06 : The point about connection is a fair one because my guess is if QF really is to start using its own metal to fly to the ME then the flight schedule w
80 PanHAM : QF operates one stop via SIN, actually one of the quickes connections from Europe to OZ, SIN serves all Australia. That would have to be given up whe
81 crAAzy : It's just my opinion that if an EK/QF partnership does emerge and QF continues moving outside it's alliance partners (BA,CX,JL) for European connectio
82 mikey72 : Would this be the thin end of the wedge though ? Ek is huge. How do they strike the right balance for both ? Will QF simply become an EK feeder in DXB
83 SQ22 : I think you are overestimating BER as well as STR. Both cities are already being served by QR. TXL daily with A320, sometimes A330 and STR not daily
84 ZK-NBT : I doubt EK would give up any of Australia. QF may fly to DXB most likely rerouting its LHR services through there but then BNE, PER etc are alot futh
85 PanHAM : yes, but that was not the question. If you live on the Filders you might be quicker flying, if you live around the city or "Halbhoehe" the ICE train
86 mariner : How so? USA is long haul from Australia and so is South America. I'd say Japan is long haul from Australia. And LHR is certainly long haul from Austr
87 charliecossie : It's such a shame that Qantas are wasting all that money shipping 744ER spare parts to BA in Frankfurt if they're gonna dump FRA.
88 qf002 : From the various reports going around, QF would only fly their existing LHR services through DXB rather than opening any decent number of flights bet
89 Post contains images BA174 : They don't do that Apart from the engines on the ERs BA would have their own spare parts from their fleet of 55 744s. An SYD-DFW non-stop both ways o
90 charliecossie : If you say so. PS I've just booked 170 kg of Qantas 744ER spares into the BA store in Frankfurt. PPS Frankfurt is 450 miles from London.
91 Post contains links mariner : The Australian Financial Review doesn't say "all" their SIN-LHR services - it says "many": http://afr.com/p/national/qantas_for...mirates_tie_GKZJYgO
92 Post contains images lightsaber : QF could bring quite a bit to the table for EK. I'm looking at bilaterals and it looks like QF is sitting on quite a few where they can pick up passe
93 Post contains images mariner : I don't mind if it is Emirates or Qatar or - ultimately - Oman Air. The key to this seems (to me) to be location, location, location rather than just
94 Post contains images lightsaber : In the long run, I expect most customers will agree. IMHO DEL would be an even better location, but the GoI has made sure it isn't on the table. So t
95 gemuser : That's a good point, IF QF have rights EK doesn't or that have a limitation that QF could avoid. I don't remember specifics, but most of those bi-lat
96 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Given that QF only operate 2 daily flights via SIN to LHR, many seems a bit of a stretch Operating the SYD flight via DXB and the MEL service via SIN
97 Post contains images lightsaber : If it wasn't for the 'Arab Spring,' I would 100% agree with you. However, I believe the reports of repression might not be the best for marketing pur
98 IndianicWorld : Very true. Add in that the BAH O&D market would not be huge either, or the connection opportunities anywhere near as comprehensive. GF has become
99 Post contains images mariner : I think the beauty of the (any) Gulf States hub is the proximity to Europe. It allows for the greatest concentration of connecting pax from to Europe
100 gemuser : That's actually the point. Ignoring the "Arab Spring" argument, for the moment, GF is an opportunity for QF (& BA) to do something to help improv
101 gemuser : AFAIK QF has never served Dubai or anywhere in the what is now the UAE. They certainly served BAH, just up the "road" for a considerable period. Gemu
102 mariner : Whether Qantas did or not, Dubai used to be a considerable gathering of aircraft each night, all on their from Europe to Asia/Australia and vice vers
103 ZK-NBT : Maybe QF will route its LHR flights via DXB while continuing to fly to SIN and connecting to BA for SIN-LHR for PAX from BNE, ADL, PER and probably ru
104 Post contains images IndianicWorld : You mean like a dreamland scenario Too much risk. QF needs urgent action. A chance, but not sure BA will play ball if QF makes this move with EK. Tha
105 ClassicLover : I believe it is saying that BA will no longer have all that traffic fed to them at Heathrow to take on their backtracking flights to destinations in
106 6thfreedom : I tend to agree with above comment that these services would be best suited to be taken over by QF. Probably MEL, SYD and BNE. a number of reasons. 1
107 sbworcs : Not quoting Mariner as such but rather the article. London is in Europe?
108 BA174 : BA/OW could be very clever here If QF left OW AA would almost defiantly start DFW-SYD on the 77W which would be the finish of QFs temperamental payloa
109 huaiwei : Really? I thought more airlines routed through the likes of Bahrain and Sharjah?
110 qf002 : If QF were to leave OW (unlikely at this stage, even if they do move away from their relationship with BA), then they could easily continue to work c
111 LAXintl : AA already serves Australia thanks to the QF-AA JV. QF dropping out of OW, would leave AA to assume 100% of the cost and risk of they launched the ro
112 tristarsteve : It really depends on what year we are taling about. I worked at BAH in 1980. Between 0001 and 0600 we had 2x BA 2xQF 2xSQ all B742 and 2 x GF Tristar
113 Post contains images lightsaber : Those two combined are why I think GF is off the table for QF. It will be EK or QR IMHO. I see more benefit for QF with EK. But can they negotiation
114 mariner : I used to go to Europe (and north Africa) fairly regularly back then for work, the first half of the eighties - various airlines - and I never stoppe
115 Post contains links and images imiakhtar : One of my favourite pics in the databse: View Large View MediumPhoto © David Eyre
116 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : I can't recall many, if any, carriers stopping in Sharjah between Europe and Asia. But until the 1970s and beyond BAH was the most common stop. DXB d
117 mariner : And considering they only got independence in December 1971, the growth has been spectacular. As I said - no one should be surprised at what has happ
118 PanHAM : I did that in the 80s as well, many times on Garuda, regardless what the routing was, they always stopped at AUH where GA had a hub at that time
119 mikey72 : Can I just ask what the implications are of QF flying to DXB from LHR ? Will QF be able to pass passengers onto EK's entire network or just onto fligh
120 lightsaber : Considering EK was founded in 1985, even more spectacular. The main impact on LHR is a drop in connections due to the time savings via EK to secondar
121 mariner : I find possibilities of the concept - whichever airline it is - quite tantalising as something to imagine. With this - whichever partner airline - Qa
122 lightsaber : We are in agreement. Funny how DXB and DOH are within A320NEO range of Europe too... I see QF having two (or more) remote hubs of high value for them
123 TWA85 : What is the possibility that BA, QF and EK could all three form a JSA between Europe and Asia/Australia? As much bennifet EK provides QF to Europe, EK
124 EIRules : Im assuming QF dont have 5th freedom rights between DXB (or indeed DOH) and any European points? Is part of the issue here the weakness of RJ? Compara
125 Post contains links mariner : I sure hope they do. Fifth freedom rights have been the centrepiece of the Federal negotiations with foreign airlines for access to Australia, as exp
126 EIRules : So in theory QF could set up a base in DXB and fly from there to say... LHR, FRA, CDG, AMS, FCO etc?
127 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Small. EK is not looking to join OneWorld, which is what such an alliance would mean. If EK formed such a JSA without joining OneWorld, the alliance
128 AngMoh : With the emphasis on the word "theory". First, the statement is that "Australia's airlines require fifth freedom rights", not that they have it. Seco
129 mariner : Australia's airlines surely have 5th freedom with the UAE. What would be needed to set up even a small focus city (even 2 or 3 flights) would be 6th
130 Sydscott : I don't. If you look at where the opportunity for QF is those A320's NEO's are going to end up with Jetstar Australia, to increase point to point Asi
131 mariner : I agree and I assume that to be the case. However, much of that is Jetstar, variations thereof, and my thinking has been almost exclusively about Qan
132 Post contains images Sydscott : If you're thinking Qantas then we should probably be contemplating a 737 Max order as opposed to an A320 NEO order. After all, if JQ and QF are flyin
133 mariner : I'm easy. How Qantas manages the book-keeping of any or all of this is well outside my knowledge - or interest. It is the vision here that intrigues
134 Sydscott : I don't know, I kind of think this could be interesting from the group perspective. It potentially changes the whole dynamics of the business, makes
135 mariner : As I said earlier, I think this present Mid-East move (if it happens) makes the premium/Asia carrier a much more modest concept and thus much easily
136 Post contains images Sydscott : I guess it comes down to where they perceive the profits to be. Remember SIN-HKG used to be referred to as the backpackers express.
137 mariner : I'm sure it does. And I believe there are profits at both ends of the market. Qantas flew SIN-HKG with A320's? I did not know that. You seem to imply
138 Sydscott : Entirely agreed. Not with A320's. With 763's back when QF77 was PER-SIN-HKG. It'd be interesting to see how a QF mainline 738 would do on SIN-HKG but
139 zkokq : Could this be a start of Jetstar UAE of sorts? Wouldnt be the worst idea that QF could come up with
140 mariner : As things presently stand, I'd agree with that. But everything I think is conditional on the Mid-East option happening, because I think it has the po
141 Post contains links sierrakilo44 : Some big rumours from this website and other rumour sites that QF will announce on the 23rd of August (EOFY results announcement) that they will cease
142 qf002 : Wow, that really surprises me. I could see them moving ADL-SIN over to 3K/JQ, but surely not PER? Perhaps they will drop to a single daily and 3K wil
143 lightsaber : Because there is still quite a large opportunity to Europe is while they will 'waste' their 'time.' Think about the beef refrigerator ships once CO2
144 JQflightie : makes sense really. Why fly on a route twice weekly... oh wait, its just been cut to once a week. doesnt make sense. SQ has just started 4 x daily PE
145 IndianicWorld : If QF stop their flights from PER to SIN and HKG, it would seem to be playing into their EK/QR partnership strategy. QF will soon be able to utilise M
146 Sydscott : The flip side to that though is that the most profitable part of QF is the frequent flyer scheme and that scheme earns its maximum profit by putting
147 IndianicWorld : ^^ Definately a strong possibility, however VA have a similar issue as they mostly service PER via SQ. As EY do not service PER yet, VA will lose some
148 Post contains images mikey72 : End of an era ?
149 gemuser : Who knows? But somehow I doubt it. Gemuser
150 PanHAM : Difficult to say when the era ended, but I think it was sometimes in the 80s when "real" long range jets became available, the multi stop flying ended
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