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Perth Getting Closer To A Regular A380 Service  
User currently offlinetim From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 705 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7321 times:

With SQ recently announcing they are going to 4 x daily 777 Perth - Singapore services and EK soon to go 3 x daily 777 Perth-Dubai along with CX announcing double daily PER-HKG, QR upgrading to daily PER-DOH 77L services etc the list goes on.

Out of the above what interests me is the EK/SQ services. Surely one of these two are getting close in the not too distant future to offering a regular A380 service to Perth. I know they always say that PAX want frequency but I still believe the A380 offers a trump card over the competition. Lots of the general public still seek it out to fly on it especially when there is no other services using that ac from their port.

Perth airport have announced their A380 ready gates have been brought forward and will be A380 capable from next year sometime. Has SQ/EK had discussions or dropped a hint about this?

Regards

Tim

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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8376 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7269 times:
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Quoting tim (Thread starter):
With SQ recently announcing they are going to 4 x daily 777 Perth - Singapore services and EK soon to go 3 x daily 777 Perth-Dubai along with CX announcing double daily PER-HKG, QR upgrading to daily PER-DOH 77L services etc the list goes on.

Sigapore is 4 hours from Perth, unlikely SQ will fly such a short haul A380, HKG to SIN is a differet market. Emirates is far more likely since they have mny more A380 then SQ and Dubai is much further.


User currently offlinetim From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 705 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7241 times:

Perth-Singapore is a 5.5 hour flight although doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things its still a short flight. I would agree that EK would be most likely.

User currently offline9VSWR From Singapore, joined Jun 2008, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7203 times:

It's highly doubtful that SQ would operate A380s to PER; They haven't operated aircraft fitted with First Class to Perth in recent memory. SQ has been serving PER with 2-class 772s and 333s although there seem to have been some instances where 773s and unrefurbished SQ-series (9V-SQ*) 772s were operated to PER of late. I believe the F-cabins were either blocked-off or used as J-cabins for a few very lucky pax.

For a regional route like PER, I would imagine frequency would take precedence over capacity for SQ as the A380 is simply too big an aircraft to fly to PER.

I reckon there would have to be a huge change in the operating circumstances for SQ to even consider sending the Suites-equipped A380 to PER.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8380 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7136 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):

Sigapore is 4 hours from Perth, unlikely SQ will fly such a short haul A380

I don't see that being an issue. If anything it's an advantage because SQ could easily schedule an A380 R/T to PER rather than leave the plane sitting idle in SIN.

Quoting 9VSWR (Reply 3):
It's highly doubtful that SQ would operate A380s to PER; They haven't operated aircraft fitted with First Class to Perth in recent memory.

This is a bigger issue but how is the demand for business class?


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

Quoting tim (Thread starter):
Has SQ/EK had discussions or dropped a hint about this?

According to the West Australian earlier this month Tim Clark said EK

Quote:
wants to bring the giant 490-seat A380 to Perth within 12 months
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/14136411


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6605 times:

Quote "Emirates, the world's biggest international airline". But, not the world's biggest. period! Impressive sound bite, though.


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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 6):
"Emirates, the world's biggest international airline".

Mmm....megalomania often comes back to haunt airlines......

(I mean that in the nicest possible way...by the way)



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6321 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
I don't see that being an issue. If anything it's an advantage because SQ could easily schedule an A380 R/T to PER rather than leave the plane sitting idle in SIN

But not for the about 10 hrs that a round trip would take.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Quoting tim (Thread starter):
I know they always say that PAX want frequency but

To an extent, but I don't think EK need to offer four a day. It's a long flight to DXB, and virtually all of those pax are continuing on to Europe (or Africa or eastern Mediterranean) so by the time they arrive at their destination, they will have been travelling for up to 20 hours, so none of them are going to walk straight into a business meeting, so the difference to almost all pax between arriving at 6am or 8am, or 4pm or 7pm, is nil. I would think double daily is enough frequency to please most travellers, three tops.

In my opinion EK are adding 777s for capacity, not frequency, and are perhaps short of A380s, and there will be a shuffle of schedule when more aircraft are delivered - one of those 777s will vanish and another will become an A380.

(Out of curiosity, do EK offer PER-DXB-JFK or PER-DXB-YYZ? Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?)



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User currently offlinetim From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 705 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):
(Out of curiosity, do EK offer PER-DXB-JFK or PER-DXB-YYZ? Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?)

In all marketing in Perth EK just push the Europe connection. i.e. (Have dinner in Venice tonight etc etc) That type of thing.


User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting tim (Reply 10):
(Out of curiosity, do EK offer PER-DXB-JFK or PER-DXB-YYZ? Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?)

Yes, they do. Maybe not via advertising but through the booking systems. I know several people that have done PER-JFK using this option.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5653 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):
Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?

Last time I was in the EK lounge in PER one of the passengers I ended up chatting with was on her way to IAH. For some people there are advantages to going west rather than via SYD and LAX.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

IMHO, for SQ what matters in this market is the frequency - hence they are unlikely to upgrade to A380 anytime soon. But for EK, they have now added flights to PER out of all three banks - so the next logical step would be to upgrade one of those to A380. However, I do not see this happening any time soon - at least not before April 2013.


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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):
(Out of curiosity, do EK offer PER-DXB-JFK or PER-DXB-YYZ? Are North American destinations actively marketed from PER?)

IAH-PER is EK's largest premium class flow market on IAH-DXB, so yes they are priced and offered



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User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

Volumes & yields are there. It can be increase the utilization of the current SQ A380s
What is megalomaniac is offering flights every hour...



Never trust the obvious
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

Quoting Tdan (Reply 14):
IAH-PER is EK's largest premium class flow market on IAH-DXB, so yes they are priced and offered

Now that is interesting.....is that mineral related traffic?



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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Now that is interesting.....is that mineral related traffic?

Chevron, Shell, BHP, Fluor, WorleyParsins, etc. Basically if you drive down the I-10W Energy Corridor, all those companies are sending people to PER and EK takes quite a few. QF still carries the majority of the traffic via LAX and DFW, but that's split over multiple flights. EK just has the one flight, so the traffic is more concentrated. It will be interesting to see how much of this traffic QR siphons off EK with the launch of DOH-PER.

[Edited 2012-07-27 09:47:43]


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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

IMO SQ reintroducing First on PER-SIN could actually be great in competing against EK who offer Suites from Perth. But I agree, my bet is on EK upgrading EK420/421 to an A380 by late 2013.

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3070 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):
In my opinion EK are adding 777s for capacity, not frequency, and are perhaps short of A380s, and there will be a shuffle of schedule when more aircraft are delivered - one of those 777s will vanish and another will become an A380.

It'll also be more interesting once EK, and EY, hit the maximum of UAE's alloted freqencies under the bilateral. Then we'll see if all of those 777's stay or if EK decided to upgrade some more Australia services to the A380. Frankly, if they do start doing that then SQ, even if it is just on PER-SIN, will need to start considering the same or risk losing premium pax to EK.


User currently offlinesethor From Australia, joined Oct 2011, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Doubt SQ has the capacity to send A380's to PER with only two more on order & I believe at least one of these is set to take over the 77W on the 4th SIN-LHR route.

User currently offlinefiscal From Australia, joined Oct 2009, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3876 times:

I think you are all a lot of spoil sports. We only ever get to see an A380 in Perth when there is a medical emergency! And think of what it could do for the new viewing platform numbers watching on of those birds come in to land...ah well we can all dream I suppose...

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