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Comair Shutting DOWN..... 9/28 2359  
User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 664 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 3 months ago) and read 31774 times:

The end of a nice ride....

To all that participated in this great airline, from Navajos to CR9..... BEST PAID TILL LAST DAY!

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User currently offlinefwa2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months ago) and read 31762 times:

it has been fun!

OH CVG GND.



ex-OH@CVG
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9413 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months ago) and read 31696 times:

Press release says 'no reductions in flights are planned in Cincinnati as a result of this decision.'

I also included the letter to employees below.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1676


To All Comair Employees
From Ryan Gumm, President
Subject Comair to Cease Operations
Date July 27, 2012

All,

Today, I am writing to let you know that Delta has made the difficult decision to cease Comair's operations after September 29, 2012.

Delta recently announced its intent to reduce the overall number of 50-seat regional jets in its network from nearly 350 to 125 or fewer in light of the significant changes in the economic and competitive conditions in the airline industry. We believed this announcement would have a negative impact on Comair because we operate some of the oldest 50-seat aircraft in the Delta Connection fleet, which also have the highest unit cost per flight hour. And, in fact, Delta has decided to remove the remaining 16 Comair 50-seaters from the Delta network, leaving Comair with only 28 aircraft in scheduled service. This further reduction of Comair's active fleet will only create higher unit costs, which equates to a business model that is no longer sustainable in this competitive regional environment.

I understand that today's news is very difficult and raises many questions for you and your family. Human Resources is prepared to directly assist you during this time. They will post a memo and other documents on the Human Resources Epic page to keep you informed of the assistance available and to help answer many of your questions. We will also have staff available over the weekend to answer questions if needed. If after reviewing the information on Epic you have any additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to your departmental leadership as well.

The discontinuation of Comair's operations is in no way a failure or a reflection of your work – it is an unfortunate necessity due to the economic limitations of our aging aircraft, cost structure, the long-term outlook for 50-seat aircraft, and our challenging industry and economy. The quality of our operations has continued to be outstanding during our lengthy restructuring efforts, and I am honored to have had the opportunity to lead such a committed team. I am asking that each of you recognize the importance of remaining focused on safety and the job at hand as we continue operations throughout the wind-down period. Your continued commitment and your dedication to a safe and reliable operation is a testament to the professional team we have built here at Comair.

[Edited 2012-07-27 05:34:51]


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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months ago) and read 31471 times:

Best wishes for the future...


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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months ago) and read 31279 times:

I wish all OH employees the very best going forward.

I suppose the following is good news, though:

Cincinnati will continue to be an important market in Delta's worldwide network. Over the past several years, working with community leaders, Delta has right-sized capacity at Cincinnati to better match service to local passenger demand. Cincinnati is now a profitable market for Delta and the city continues to enjoy over 120 peak daily flights, with non-stop service to 49 destinations. No reductions in the number of Delta flights are planned at Cincinnati as a result of this decision.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7382 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 31128 times:

Perhaps they can look toward becoming a Commuter Airline which may be smaller but viable versus a larger Regional totally at the mercy of the scope clauses of a legacy carrier.

Best of luck to all staff.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3187 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 31045 times:

Are any of us surprised that Comair was shut down. Nope.

Good luck to all the effected staff.



Why fly non stop when you can connect
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 31050 times:

Sad day for Comair - definitely a pioneer in the modern regional airline industry.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 3):
Press release says 'no reductions in flights are planned in Cincinnati as a result of this decision.'

Not sure I buy that - in the broader sense. While perhaps it may be accurate to say that no flight reductions are planned in Cincinnati directly "as a result of this decision," I just don't see how Cincinnati isn't in for some further right-sizing as Delta continues to steadily draw down the DCI regional jet fleet which Cincinnati (and Memphis) is now largely dependent on.

Overall, if Delta really is going to be pulling dozens if not hundreds of small jets out of the fleet, that is going to mean a major reallocation of capacity and scheduling across the entire Delta network - particularly since Delta has one of the largest RJ operations of any U.S. carrier. I suspect it will look much like the massive realigning in early 2005 when DFW was closed down - a massive reshuffle all across the network (although, obviously, it likely won't happen pretty much all on one day like that one did). But either way, there are going to be a lot of regional jet markets either seeing upgauging with reduced frequency, or an elimination of service altogether - and I doubt Cincinnati, which already sees the majority of its flying on regional jets, is going to be immune to that.


User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 30946 times:
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Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
Cincinnati will continue to be an important market in Delta's worldwide network. Over the past several years, working with community leaders, Delta has right-sized capacity at Cincinnati to better match service to local passenger demand. Cincinnati is now a profitable market for Delta and the city continues to enjoy over 120 peak daily flights, with non-stop service to 49 destinations. No reductions in the number of Delta flights are planned at Cincinnati as a result of this decision.

Notice the distinct lack of the word "hub" in that statement.

While it may not make it any easier, it was a long time coming and this now provides a sense of closure. Hope everyone at Comair is able to find work elsewhere in the industry.


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 30788 times:
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Why did Comair go down?

was it because they refused to offer their services for peanuts like some other regionals?


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7661 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 30631 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 10):
Why did Comair go down?

was it because they refused to offer their services for peanuts like some other regionals?

OH was a wholly-owned by DL. DL wanted to sell them off, but no buyers were interested. OH, being one of the oldest regional airlines have some of the most senior workgroups and higher cost accordingly.

Without a buyer, DL was not interested in continuing to operate this small, stand-alone, high-cost operator.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 30505 times:

Well it was a long fought battle and I think both parties tried in earnest to avoid this but here we are. Best of luck to all involved and hopefully those that are left can find new jobs very soon. DL should be hiring F/As in September too.


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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1863 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 30508 times:

So I'm guessing any Comair flights scheduled after 9/26 will probably have an aircraft switch? Reason I'm asking is because I'm scheduled to fly on a Comair flight on Black Friday from OMA to DTW.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 30434 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 9):
Hope everyone at Comair is able to find work elsewhere in the industry.

Hiring outlook is improving from what I hear, and with the 1500 hour rule coming into play next year, they should be able to find something. Maybe not all of them and not right away, but in the near future.

Of course, that's bad news for those trying to get into the regionals. .



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7661 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 30396 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 13):
So I'm guessing any Comair flights scheduled after 9/26 will probably have an aircraft switch? Reason I'm asking is because I'm scheduled to fly on a Comair flight on Black Friday from OMA to DTW.

Yes.

In subsequent schedule changes, they will load the new schedule which will include the new operator, flight numbers, and potential equipment change. To most people it will be transparent, like most routine schedule adjustments.


User currently offlinemichiganatc From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 30216 times:

What a shame that this headline isn't about ASA!

User currently offlinethepinnaclekid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 30017 times:

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 16):


Little harsh there...one shouldn't wish any carrier's demise... Comair was a good airline and they had respectable motives and intentions in the dirty world of regional airlines..... sad to see them go like ACA.....

With that said.. as to work rules etc... ASA is not a thorn in the progress toward livable wages and better QOL unlike some other carriers... also, ASA already is gone.. it is ExpressJet now... the largest single regional carrier in the world (even larger than it's owner SkyWest). The loss of ExpressJet would be huge to United and Delta and a void that would be hard to fill.... sadly the loss of any carrier such as American Eagle, SkyWest, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, Comair would only further the race to the bottom and the great divide on pay/qol between regional airline employees and their mainline counterparts.... That's the worst part of Comair going away.. they worked hard to push the industry upwards... not let it slide to the dirt like some carriers that come to mind.



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1863 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 30014 times:

I know it's not gonna happen right away, but do you think the 717s will take over the Comair routes once they come online?

User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 29945 times:

I've always enjoyed flying on Comair. I flew them back in the early 2000s JAX-CVG-MLI and my JAX-CVG leg was delayed about 5 hours. I wasn't mad, things happen sometimes. When I finally got to CVG I was sure I missed my MLI flight. As we deboarded, there was an agent standing in the hallway (we were in the C concourse) saying "Moline? Moline?" when I heard that I said I'm heading to Moline. She said Good! We've got your plane right here and showed me where to go. Some how my bags made it too. That really impressed me. It's a shame to see them go.  

User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 29822 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):
DL should be hiring F/As in September too.

I sure hope so...but right from DW, "No mass hiring for Regular (Non-LOD) FA's through 2013."



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User currently onlinesaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1612 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 29764 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 18):
I know it's not gonna happen right away, but do you think the 717s will take over the Comair routes once they come online?

Routes are always shuffled around and some may ultimately be flown by DL metal but more likely just another regional partner. The regional world is just a shell game, especially when the mother ship owns the airplanes and can just transfer them airframes from one carrier to another. Keeps costs low so executive bonuses stay high.



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User currently offlinedurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 29547 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
OH, being one of the oldest regional airlines have some of the most senior workgroups and higher cost accordingly.

Without a buyer, DL was not interested in continuing to operate this small, stand-alone, high-cost operator.

The issue here isn't that they are one of the oldest regionals but that because of downsizing of their fleet over the last several years they have a very senior pilot group with so many on furlough. The problem with OH is they have a checkered past and have some very high expenses that no buyer was willing to deal with.

OH is a great airline, it's a shame they weren't able to keep the planes over the last several years.


User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 29749 times:

Well, not a surprise by any stretch but unfortunate. I like the part of the letter where the CEO tells the employees it wasn't their fault. Comair was stupid for not getting the 76 & 90 seaters to offset thier costs IMHO.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 18):
I know it's not gonna happen right away, but do you think the 717s will take over the Comair routes once they come online?

I cant see the 717 picking up much out of CIncy - perhaps another freuency to ATL, MCO, LGA or other major hub but thats about all. I think they have a better chance of seeing KDAY or similar sized cities.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12740 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 29382 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 6):
Perhaps they can look toward becoming a Commuter Airline which may be smaller but viable versus a larger Regional totally at the mercy of the scope clauses of a legacy carrier.

I don't see how this is an option.

DL owns them, and DL is shutting them down, after not finding someone to buy them.

Seems the only asset that would make financial sense to maintain is its Operating Certificate, which can be done at relatively low expense. The 50 seaters will join the glut of them sitting in the desert.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 29120 times:

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 16):
What a shame that this headline isn't about ASA!



Why?...

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 26):
Well, not a surprise by any stretch but unfortunate. I like the part of the letter where the CEO tells the employees it wasn't their fault. Comair was stupid for not getting the 76 & 90 seaters to offset thier costs IMHO.



??? I'm a little confused by this statement. Any move Comair makes is by the hand and whim of DL. They have the CR7s and CR9s that they have now because DL awarded them the frames/flying. DL giveth and DL taketh away. It's not Comair's fault. You know those CR7s that GoJet is currently flying under DL colors? All former OH frames that were transferred to ASA a couple years ago then G7 this past February.



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25 apodino : Well...no surprise here as this seemed like the writing was on the wall for a long time. My heartfelt sympathies to those fine men and women who will
26 saab2000 : There is much more to this than just union contracts and representation. The tipping point is clearly when the wholly owned becomes a liability rather
27 DashTrash : Pinnacle is going to end up getting raped. GoJet. Enjoy the on time numbers.... Piedmont is done. They are in the middle of a strike vote. Should the
28 Post contains links Revelation : http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...l-seals-fate-hundreds-50-seat-jets says: ... which seems to be saying there's really no need to replace the Com
29 F9animal : Professional team we have built here? And now the team is being torn apart. I first want to send my deepest sorrow for the Comair employees that will
30 apodino : So let me ask this much....what would it take for the GoJet pilots who may want to rebuild bridges to leave IBT and vote in ALPA...and end up piggyba
31 saab2000 : Not gonna happen. They'd almost possibly be better off non-union like Skywest. There are no bridges to rebuild. And the owner of TSA and GoJet is the
32 thepinnaclekid : Call me crazy.. but Delta has said that they will achieve their goals on fleet up-gauging and realignment even with SkyWest, Inc. saying they are not
33 Revelation : Yep, the regional industry is taking the path that has been clear for so long: a total race to the bottom. Yes, but people will rarely pay for class
34 par13del : Which I hope they could sell to someone to create a commuter airline, the attempt to sell en mass as with AE has no takers. Well to the legacy's it w
35 Revelation : Yes, I think you are correct in that formation of the subsidiaries may have been accompanied by some scope concession on the part of the mainline pil
36 apodino : I know that....but if I am a GoJet pilot looking for some leverage against management, trying to get ALPA on the property and presenting a united fro
37 par13del : Which is what I think is the big mover behind DL for example making concessions on scope, if either the Regionals or the pax in general had flocked t
38 lightsaber : My thoughts to the Comair employees and families. But oil over $50/bbl is incompatible with 50-seater flying. The costs of an MRJ per flight will be a
39 MSPNWA : Sad day for OH and the airline industry. And now this completes the DL whipsawing of their wholly-owned regionals. OH just got the worse deal of them
40 toltommy : With DL also holding the DIP financing for 9E's bankruptcy, they can control the future, good or bad. When push comes to shove, the so called "unifie
41 CuriousFlyer : Regionals for me are too often linked with uncomfortable trips and cancelled flights. I always prefer mainline service so from that point of view, I a
42 Revelation : Yes, that and the mouth-watering terms they were able to extract out of WN for the 717s.
43 crj200faguy : If it were really the end of Pinnacle, why did Delta loan them all that money?? When are they planning on announcing where the OH 700s and 900s are go
44 OzarkD9S : Comair's been Delta's sh-tlist since the pilot's strike of 2001. It took awhile, but paybacks are a b-tch. Not saying the shutdown is related at this
45 xdlx : Plausible.... and those that endured the grind since then! I tip my hat to you...
46 DashTrash : Buy out the -200 contract and keep the 900s until they can be placed somewhere else. Pinnacle owed DAL a buttload of money as it was.
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : DL owns all the OH CR7s. They will be re-allocated. I'm sure an RFP will be going out very soon for the CR7/CR9 flying. There is no confirmation of t
48 apodino : That may be true...but GoJet currently has a huge cost advantage over competitors, and if they ousted IBT and brought on ALPA, the TransStates guys w
49 Revelation : I don't know if I'd describe it that way. This just reflects the harsh reality of the industry, especially under influence of mergers and the prolong
50 bobnwa : I assume you mean the pilots who are affected by the 1500 hour rule but not anyone else
51 saab2000 : There will not be fewer RJs in this world as a result of this. If you don't like RJs, blame the mainline carriers' management teams. They're the ones
52 2H4 : I think a related...and perhaps greater...factor is people's unwillingness to pay for an hour or two in the miserable 50-seat CRJ. I know I always go
53 toltommy : Unless 9E were going to grow, taking over the OH hangar at CVG makes no sense at all. IIRC the old XJ hangar is still sitting open since XJ rejected
54 PPVRA : I meant that since Comair pilots probably have more than 1500 hours, other regional airlines will quickly take them in as the rule comes into effect.
55 LHCVG : So is G7 poised, if all this pans out, to become the largest element within the Trans States (dysfunctional) family?
56 steeler83 : Wow, maybe DL changing my PHL-DTW flight from an A319 to a CRJ-200 last year was fate. I believe that flight was operated by Comair (I believe anyway)
57 lightsaber : I didn't realize that tidbit. Thank you. When there is an economical choice. The new larger RJs will provide that choice at reduced frequency and pro
58 bhmdiversion : IMHO, this should not have been a surprise to anyone. Ever since the OH strike, Delta has said they were going to get their payback. I have alot of go
59 srbmod : This is something that was inevitable. Delta has had the for sale sign out for years and while they were able to get takers for ASA and later Mesaba a
60 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : A little Comair history: View Large View MediumPhoto © powwwiii
61 FlyPNS1 : Yes, there will be fewer RJ's as the 50 seaters operated by Comair are headed for the scrap heap.
62 fwa2500 : we have been hearing that they want at least the upper hangar, i also heard from a 9E f/a who was on one of my non-rev flights a couple weeks ago tha
63 brilondon : No. I don't see DL using mainline aircraft that holds in excess of 100 people on a route that previously had a 50 seat CRJ.
64 flyguy89 : Sad. I know several people that work for OH and I truly wish them the best of luck. OH was one of the last local service/regional airlines to be found
65 SWALUV : That would make sense, it is uneconomical to operate 50-seaters anymore, if you look at all the regional airlines, Pinnical, Colgan, American Eagle s
66 usflyer msp : IMHO, the writing has been on the wall for this shutdown since DL consolidated DL Connection administration at MSP but did not move any Comair functio
67 suseJ772 : Very sad for OH. I hope this means FWA gets up-gauged, but I doubt it.
68 lweber557 : 1500 hour rule? I must have not gotten the memo, can someone please fill me in. Also sorry to hear about Comair, never personally flew with them but
69 mcdu : Sorry to see this for OH, but as many have said the writing was on the wall for a very long time. This is a shot across the bow at SKYW also. It shows
70 DeltaMD90 : So are the OH employees left for dead, or are they getting preferential hiring for the new 717s or something? I know for the senior guys it'll suck mo
71 Revelation : I don't think so. I imagine DL might have some furloughs on the book, and they get first shot. Since OH wasn't part of the same labor group, they hav
72 Mir : It's not really a 1500 hour rule, it's an ATP rule. Congress passed a law that said that all airline pilots will have to have an ATP license by Augus
73 DeltaMD90 : That sucks, I know it isn't "business smart" but I think offering a job is the least they can do, just human decency. And I know going from senior co
74 Acey559 : I would be shocked if a single OH pilot goes to another regional. The guys left are very senior and were probably all captains at OH before it shrank.
75 FWAERJ : OH doesn't fly into FWA, and hasn't for about a year. With the exception of one EV flight to ATL, FWA is an all-9E station (likely due to the MX base
76 crj900lr : Every mainline carrier has clauses in the contracts with its regional partners where they can get out of the contract if certain goals are not met. J
77 mcdu : Bullying? Hardly, DL is seeking the lowest bidder for all services. For every RFP there is another carrier with another group of pilots willing to li
78 FI642 : Very sad, but Delta isn't Delta any more.
79 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : With the price of fuel there are only two financially feasible options. One is to fly turbo props, which are more economical, or fly 76 seat regional
80 DashTrash : If you don't have 1000 turbine PIC, your chances aren't good. The fractionals are in shrink mode except for Avantair. Some charter jobs are out there
81 2H4 : I have yet to see a thorough, professional study that demonstrates passengers have an aversion to turboprops that is strong enough to negate their (t
82 Revelation : They're slower than jets, and typically have to fly through worse weather than jets, as well as being noisy and cramped. Time will tell if we see the
83 Mir : In other words, they're bullying. They're playing pilots off against each other and leading a race to the bottom. Nobody in the profession should sup
84 2H4 : Respectfully, I believe my point stands. I have yet to see a thorough, professional study that demonstrates passengers have an aversion to turboprops
85 Thomas_Jaeger : Since the other thread got locked, I will ask here again. Does anyone have a complete list of the 16 CRJ-100/CRJ-200 currently still operational?
86 Goldenshield : *cough* 737 *cough* Sorry, but it's true. What "weaker" standard? They are held to the SAME standard.[Edited 2012-07-27 21:49:42]
87 DashTrash : Goldenshield is correct. Scheduled airlines with few exceptions are operated under FAR Part 121. The same basic rules apply to a Dash 8 that apply to
88 PHX787 : This is the nail in the coffin for CVG. There is nothing that would sustain CVG service anymore since OH is a gonner.
89 JayDub : It's so cute when people who have no idea what they're talking about decide to speak. I've worked for regionals and I've worked for majors; the stand
90 Post contains links PHX787 : http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_n...emise-result-in-new-airline-at-CVG Interesting article. Also I've heard that Carl Linder is interested in a sta
91 par13del : The newer props are less noisey inside, definately better than 10 - 20 years ago. The cramped part is no different than what is done with 737 / A320
92 saab2000 : This is totally false. Carriers operate under FAA Part 121 regulations and they are not different for a major or a 'regional' carrier. The regulation
93 srbmod : I think one of the mistakes made at OH after the strike was the retiring of the E-120s. It was a suitable a/c for the smaller markets and should have
94 Post contains links Revelation : ATRs seem to be doing OK in sales, Q400s less so, since it seems their higher sales price impacts their business case. Yes, that is one comparison th
95 DashTrash : Comair hasn't been allowed to think for itself in many years. Delta acquired full ownership in 1999 and from that point on were in the driver's seat
96 Revelation : It turns out my recollection was poor or I was misinformed. Thanks for your constructive correction.
97 NWAESC : I think they do, and it's a shame, really.
98 PHX787 : IIRC I've never seen a OO brasilia in DL Conn colors. The ones used are the "OO" scheme ones that are also used for UA Express. Yeah that certificate
99 Revelation : I thought that in some cases the company would set up a skeleton operation with crews flying empty planes by the rules and mechanics servicing these
100 srbmod : The only Delta Connection carrier to ever paint their Brasilias in Delta colors was ASA, as in late 2000, they painted their E-120s as they retrofitt
101 LOWS : And how is that different than the AX ERJ145 I will fly in a few weeks to IAH? I can't even stand up all the way.
102 KDAYflyer : The last part of this is a surprise to me. I guess DL made the decision well in advance of this announcement then. It makes no sense to take away the
103 Revelation : Not much, but the scenario I was talking to was just avoiding the regionals all together, which seems to me to be part of what is happening.
104 KDAYflyer : Then why spend all the money they just spent on the A terminal for upgrades? You almost make it sound as if they should tear down all the terminals a
105 qfatwa : I used Flight Aware and my Comair list - it showed 21 still operating in the last 48 hours as Comair: N408CA N409CA N420CA N713CA N716CA N786CA N797C
106 saab2000 : At my carrier they are not increasing the number of allowed sims in any substantial way. If someone's not cutting it and/or showing progress they are
107 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not really. Reverse it. Why did they give them brand new CR9s... It all comes down to costs. DL didn't just give away the CR7s to ASA. A bid was put
108 Post contains links and images B595 : Sorry to hear this news. It was a big deal when Comair began the first RJ service to my hometown's small airport (BTV). Made the front page of the Bur
109 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : In the 1960s, pilots who hired in at a Major Airline were hired as Flight Engineers, also known as Second Officers. These "pilots" sat at a bench beh
110 Goldenshield : As much as we know that you have this disproportional dislike of SkyWest compared to the other regionals---and other airlines in general---that it en
111 ocracoke : I'm not quite sure if you realize that Carl Linder died last year? I know CVG would be happy to have a new airline come in, but to ask a dead man to
112 Post contains links bmibaby737 : Add to that N784CA http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N784CA
113 Post contains images PHX787 : I meant for the DL hub. I've been away from home too long. Maybe it's his son or some heir to his fortune that I heard was interested in the start up
114 KingAir200 : Sure the CRJs needed ballast a lot and didn't have ACARS until the end, but at least the people were reasonably friendly and someone would answer when
115 jetblast : A little late to the game on my reply - but as much as Comair got some bashing within the regionals, their company was still made up of people like my
116 NWAESC : I will not miss this... Nor this... But definitely this...
117 LHCVG : Yeah we all know how well Skybus worked out!
118 brilondon : That coffin has all the nails it needs, From the grave...
119 Thomas_Jaeger : Thanks a lot for your help, forgot about Flightaware as a good source to check. So that confirms my assumption that the numbers given by Delta/Comair
120 PHX787 : Not a Skybus operation. Something like VX except for the Midwest and south Like I said previously, it was someone from his inheritance line.
121 LHCVG : So, an unprofitable niche carrier propped up by subsidies from businesses interested in using that airline but no one else? Because that's VX. I'm no
122 PHX787 : Did you see what I posted in a previous thread about start-ups? The thing with start ups these days is that they're using these small, obscure locati
123 toltommy : You are kidding, right? KCAB entered into a contract with Delta to create the hub. KCAB agreed to the terms. Yes there were restrictions placed on KC
124 FlyPNS1 : There's a reason most start-ups are using small, obscure locations. They're trying to avoid the big legacy and LCC carriers who will squash them like
125 LHCVG : I did see your previous post, and my comments about Skybus and VX relate precisely to what you're describing. that mid-point to connect transcontinen
126 PSU.DTW.SCE : The disposition of Comair's fleet has now been announced CRJ-200s (21) - All ~21 currently in service, to be removed from service by early September C
127 United_fan : I do feel bad for the OH crews. I hope they find new work quickly. I heard OH 3005 going to JFK last night and the pilot didn't sound very happy on th
128 KingAir200 : Good for SkyWest. The best choice of the remaining carriers to pick up additional airplanes, if you ask me.
129 rj777 : So without Comair, what regional airlines are left in the US?
130 FWAERJ : The big ones: -American Eagle flies exclusively for AA -Mesa flies for UA and US -Pinnacle flies (soon to be) exclusively for DL (subsidiary Colgan,
131 durangomac : Don't forget AS. Horizon exclusively for AS.
132 Post contains images flyguy89 : What? I thought we were "just another rust belt town" This is a myth actually. I believe it would in fact be illegal for any publicly run airport to
133 Post contains images LHCVG : Oh god....don't fuel his fire!
134 FlyASAGuy2005 : I didn't know a decision had been made as far as the PQs based out of ATL. Also, I see everything is falling under SkyWest. Is it a possibility that
135 DeltAirlines : I saw a post somewhere (think it might have been in the SkyWest thread) that said that the planes that SkyWest Holdings is getting will be split betw
136 FlyASAGuy2005 : Okay that's what I figured. So I'd assume the 16 PQs based in ATL will transfer to EV with the OH CR9s being split or perhaps all going to OO.
137 DeltAirlines : Wouldn't shock me in the least...at least as of right now, I wouldn't say there's a pressing need for more 76 seaters out of the MSP and SLC hubs (at
138 crj900lr : SkyWest also flys for AS I believe out west (PDX, SEA, other various cities on the west coast) US Airways wholly owned carriers are PSA and Piedmont.
139 KingFriday013 : Wow what a shame... Comair was my favorite regional, they consistently had the nicest and most upbeat crews I've ever flown with and their planes were
140 PSU.DTW.SCE : Mine too... Mesaba, Comair, and Allegheny/Piedmont.....some of the better well-run regionals, although from a diferrent era and a hey-day back in the
141 Mir : It is very likely that all of those will be gone soon. Mesaba went into Pinnacle, which I doubt will last much longer after they made the decision to
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