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Rumor: New Lufthansa Logo For China?  
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18371 times:

I understand from a reputable source that a new logo for China was approved recently. Has anyone seen it?


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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18341 times:

It is similar to the Alaska Airlines logo. However, instead of a picture of an Eskimo on the tail, there is a picture of Mao on the tail.

User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18317 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 1):
It is similar to the Alaska Airlines logo. However, instead of a picture of an Eskimo on the tail, there is a picture of Mao on the tail.

After spending a couple years in China, you just made my day.


User currently offlinejcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18129 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 1):
It is similar to the Alaska Airlines logo. However, instead of a picture of an Eskimo on the tail, there is a picture of Mao on the tail.

I chuckled. Nice job.



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User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17581 times:

This sounds like a bizarre concept.
Why have a logo just for one market? If they were going for a subsidiary brand, then fair enough.
The Lufthansa logo is used worlwide, and its business is built upon having this one image.
Not sure what the rationale for this is.


User currently offlinePlainplane From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 832 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17481 times:

Sounds like maybe how KLM has its main branded aircraft and then others with "KLM Asia" without the crown?

User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16905 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 4):

This sounds like a bizarre concept.
Why have a logo just for one market? If they were going for a subsidiary brand, then fair enough.
The Lufthansa logo is used worlwide, and its business is built upon having this one image.
Not sure what the rationale for this is.

KLM Asia, Swissair Asia, Japan Asia Airways, British Asia Airways, etc.

If I remember correctly, it has something to do with China not wanting non-Chinese carriers flying in between Chinese airports and/or between Chinese airports and Taiwan (regarded, by China, as a "rogue province"). Therefore, the above airlines had to add the "Asia" monniker and remove their respective country's flags and national symbols. Doing so made airlines such as "KLM Asia" seem like entirely new airlines to the Chinese gov't, apparently. (something like that)

I thought that sanction ended.. apparently not?  



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16550 times:

Q: UA flies to both the Mainland and Taiwan, why are they not painting their aircraft with a special livery?


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User currently offlineClipperBerlin From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16298 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):
If I remember correctly, it has something to do with China not wanting non-Chinese carriers flying in between Chinese airports and/or between Chinese airports and Taiwan (regarded, by China, as a "rogue province"). Therefore, the above airlines had to add the "Asia" monniker and remove their respective country's flags and national symbols. Doing so made airlines such as "KLM Asia" seem like entirely new airlines to the Chinese gov't, apparently. (something like that)

I thought that sanction ended.. apparently not?  

Exactly. Thats´s why in the past Lufthansa sent a 747-400 (D-ABTD) painted in Condors color scheme to Taiwan. But that was in den middle of the nineties. A new logo on the planes instead of the kranich does not make sense as mentioned before. Maybe just an add-on to the A380 named Peking?

ClipperBerlin


User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15891 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):
Q: UA flies to both the Mainland and Taiwan, why are they not painting their aircraft with a special livery?

I don't know (and am curious as well), but I wonder if it may have something to do with flag carrier status? UA's never been an "official" flag carrier (and the U.S. has never had one, for that matter), whereas LH, KL, BA, SR, JL, etc are/were flag carriers for their respective nations.

With that said, like ghifty said, I thought that the PRC had stopped being so particular about this specific issue?



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User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15738 times:

Quoting ClipperBerlin (Reply 8):
Maybe just an add-on to the A380 named Peking?

Name another A380 'Taipei' and problem solved. ( Just make sure to send the right A380 to the right city   )



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User currently offlinegatechae From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11935 times:

Quoting warden145 (Reply 9):

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):
Q: UA flies to both the Mainland and Taiwan, why are they not painting their aircraft with a special livery?

I don't know (and am curious as well), but I wonder if it may have something to do with flag carrier status? UA's never been an "official" flag carrier (and the U.S. has never had one, for that matter), whereas LH, KL, BA, SR, JL, etc are/were flag carriers for their respective nations.

With that said, like ghifty said, I thought that the PRC had stopped being so particular about this specific issue?

I think it probably has to do with the flag carrier issue as you said and the fact that none of the European nations (other than the Vatican IIRC) officially recognize the ROC diplomatically.



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User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11542 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):

Q: UA flies to both the Mainland and Taiwan, why are they not painting their aircraft with a special livery?

Because this is only Mainland China. A lot of people don't realize just HOW different Taiwan / Macau / Hong Kong truly are to mainland China. Flying - lets say HKG to SJZ (random I know) is a heck of a lot different than flying CAN to SJZ. Yes, HKG / Macau / Taiwan are still under the Chinese rule, but they are not Mainland and by no means are governed under the same rules, regulations or even political parties.

[Edited 2012-07-28 10:55:04]

User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 803 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11498 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 1):

ROFL

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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 12):
Because this is only Mainland China. A lot of people don't realize just HOW different Taiwan / Macau / Hong Kong truly are to mainland China. Flying - lets say HKG to SJZ (random I know) is a heck of a lot different than flying CAN to SJZ. Yes, HKG / Macau / Taiwan are still under the Chinese rule, but they are not Mainland and by no means are governed under the same rules, regulations or even political parties.

Taiwan is definitely not under PRC rule, even though they would like to think that way. US Air Force has its base in Taiwan protecting its independence and possible PRC attack. HK and Macau both still have separate government, but its governor is now approved by Beijing.
The problem PRC has with Taiwan is that Taiwan still uses Republic of China (ROC) as its official name and PRC believes that they have the right to use chinese in its name. For that reson IOC has Taiwan under Chinese Taipei in the Olympics.


User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10399 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 14):
Taiwan is definitely not under PRC rule, even though they would like to think that way. US Air Force has its base in Taiwan protecting its independence and possible PRC attack. HK and Macau both still have separate government, but its governor is now approved by Beijing.
The problem PRC has with Taiwan is that Taiwan still uses Republic of China (ROC) as its official name and PRC believes that they have the right to use chinese in its name. For that reson IOC has Taiwan under Chinese Taipei in the Olympics.

See what I get for watching the Chinese news for a year?


User currently offlinechootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Thread starter):

I understand from a reputable source that a new logo for China was approved recently. Has anyone seen it?

...I would call the BS card here, and please let us know who this "reputable" source should be.

Must be a slow news day.......   



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2010 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7918 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 14):
The problem PRC has with Taiwan is that Taiwan still uses Republic of China (ROC) as its official name and PRC believes that they have the right to use chinese in its name. For that reson IOC has Taiwan under Chinese Taipei in the Olympics.

Hm, small correction, the Mainland is actually quite happy with the name Republic of China, even though they dispute it - at least the term "China" is still in there. It's Taiwan as a country name that they get really angry about. Anything to suggest Taiwan is not a part of China anymore gets their blood boiling.   Hence the compromise Chinese Taipei.



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7847 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 14):
For that reson IOC has Taiwan under Chinese Taipei in the Olympics.

Sort of like why Puerto Rico has it's own Olympic team? Makes sense.



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User currently onlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5253 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 18):
Quoting WROORD (Reply 14):
For that reson IOC has Taiwan under Chinese Taipei in the Olympics.

Sort of like why Puerto Rico has it's own Olympic team? Makes sense.

Except Puerto Rico is completely FREE to do as it wishes and could change it status with the USA anytime it wants. Taiwan, not so much. (Many people wonder what would actually happen if they did - and no there is not a simple answer to that.)

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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 17):
Hm, small correction, the Mainland is actually quite happy with the name Republic of China, even though they dispute it - at least the term "China" is still in there. It's Taiwan as a country name that they get really angry about. Anything to suggest Taiwan is not a part of China anymore gets their blood boiling.

True - even though it means something different to each side (PRC and Taiwan).


User currently onlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):
Q: UA flies to both the Mainland and Taiwan, why are they not painting their aircraft with a special livery?

I may not be 100% correct but I believe that China does not want non-Chinese airlines overflying it's airspace enroute to Taiwan if that airline also serves China. Therefore an airline like KLM Asia is considered a separate airline that flies to Taiwan while KLM serves China. United does not overfly Chinese airspace to/from Taiwan, therefore it does not need a separate subfleet.


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6793 times:

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 12):
Because this is only Mainland China. A lot of people don't realize just HOW different Taiwan / Macau / Hong Kong truly are to mainland China.

My friend, I am quite familiar with China as I currently live in Beijing. Your answer does not really answer my question. Thank you though.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

Quoting warden145 (Reply 9):

I thought AA was technically the USA's flag-carrier? I assume I'm wrong but I always thought they were.


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

Quoting chootie (Reply 16):

...I would call the BS card here,

Im on this site for 12 years. I have a RR of 60. This is not BS.

This is not a friend told a friend who told me rumour.



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25 trex8 : There hasn't been a US military presence in Taiwan since the 70s. Active duty US military personnel are not usually even allowed to go to Taiwan in a
26 CZ346 : And I'm in CAN - my only point with it was that Taiwan -> Mainland routes are in no way shape or form the same as flights within the mainland beca
27 nws2002 : Most other countries have a designated carrier that is the national carrier of the country it represents. Sometimes they are state-owned, others are
28 bestwestern : Correct, They depart from the " International, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan" section of the airport, and full Immigration and Customs formalities are
29 legacyins : Nice, but my question is regarding why UA does not paint their aircraft in a special livery compared to the OP stating that LH is considering(?) a ne
30 bestwestern : Hey - Read the OP. I never mentioned Taiwan...
31 legacyins : Yes sir. You are correct. I did not mean to mistate you and I should listen and pay attention more carefully in the future. I should have said, as th
32 Post contains images Semaex :
33 Post contains images bestwestern : Maybe, its something like this....
34 Semaex : I'm not sure in what way you would change a Crane in order to make it look more chinese, but I like the thought of trying it out!
35 Post contains images bestwestern : None of the coca-cola logos above changes the logo - just the text. Like this Or
36 N328KF : The US has never had an official one,but Pan Am was the de facto flag carrier from the 20s to the 40s, and possibly the 50s. After that, it was wide
37 spiritair97 : This is going to seem like a stupid question, but what are the criteria for being an "official" flag carrier? Also, what benefits are there?
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