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User currently offline28L28L From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

I know that Alitalia suspended service from SYD in Oct. '00.
My question is when did Alitalia MEL service cease? I did find a photo of a 747 at MEL from 1997. Not certain if it may have been a diversion. Prior to that I could only find an Alitalia route map from 1992 that included MEL.
Thanks for any help or information that anyone may have.
Cheers.

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User currently offlineCamohe From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

I flew Alitalia from SYD to FCO in 1997. The routing was SYD-MEL-BKK-FCO. B747-200

I think the SYD and MEL services were triangulated. I'm not sure if MEL was also served on the outbound from BKK or just the return.

[Edited 2012-07-27 23:31:58]

User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8092 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

I think MEL was served up until Oct 2000 as well. Although there are more Italians in Sydney than in Melbourne. Sydney has a huge Italian population. They really are a big part of the city's life.

It is possible that the triangle alternated - for instance Olympic Airways served Sydney and Melbourne twice a week with 747-200 service for over two decades (and A340-300 for a few years hence); although the majority of Greeks in Australia (again, a lot) reside in Melbourne, once a week it went ATH-SIN-SYD-MEL-SIN-ATH (eg Sydney first), and once a week it went ATH-SIN-MEL-SYD-SIN-ATH (eg Melbourne first). I suspect Alitalia may have done something similar.

Btw this was great for 747 fans, cos the fare was the same no matter which routing you took, so one could effectively score two extra sectors for free by making sure (in my case as a Sydneysider), to travel to Europe on days where the aircraft went to Melbourne first, so on the outbound of course it was SYD-MEL-SIN-ATH and on the return one it would be ATH-SIN-MEL-SYD. I really miss Olympic Airways, those were some of the best flights I ever took.



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
Although there are more Italians in Sydney than in Melbourne. Sydney has a huge Italian population. They really are a big part of the city's life.

you've got it the wrong way around.


User currently onlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 6969 times:

^^ I tend to agree.

Melbourne is more of an Italian and Greek city, with Sydney being far larger with people from many East Asian nations and Lebanon also being a big part of the population mix.

IMHO, Sydney culture is far less moulded by European culture than Melbourne has been.


User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

AZ last flew to MEL in OCT98. It was a triangular service.

AZ798 Flew FCO-BKK-SYD-MEL
AZ798 Flew SYD-MEL-BKK-FCO

there was an overlap of both flight numbers for the SYD-MEL sector.

the AZ/KL alliance ran from OCT98 To MAR00 using KLM 744/74E

AZ796 MXP-SIN-SYD
AZ797 SYD-SIN-MXP

when the alliance terminated AZ briefly resumed services with their own 742s for the SYD Olympic games from MAR00 To
OCT00 as

AZ798 MXP-BKK-SYD
AZ799 SYD-BKK-MXP

in the early 00s an AZ 767-300 made a one off visit to MEL as an Italian Govt charter


Hope this info helps.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 5):
the AZ/KL alliance ran from OCT98 To MAR00 using KLM 744/74E

AZ796 MXP-SIN-SYD
AZ797 SYD-SIN-MXP

I flew AZ BKK-MXP-GVA in November 1998 and the BKK-MXP flight was an AZ 742 (not KL) that originated SYD. It was also over 3 hours late. The only reason I booked AZ was because it was the only daytime flight from BKK to Europe and made a good connection to the last MXP-GVA flight of the day. As it turned out, with the long delay, AZ had to put up at least 100 passengers in hotels for the night as they missed every connection from MXP. Apart from arriving in GVA about 12 hours late the next morning, AZ service (J class in the upper deck) was very good.


User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 4757 times:

Viscount I can assure AZ operated flights finished 24OCT1998 and KLM took over with the 744/74E.

YOu are mistaken. I had a lot to do with those flights as in work wise so I know first hand.

AZ did fly BKK-MXP durino the AZ/KL alliance 3 x weekly with the AZ 742s but these flights stopper in BKK only - they did not continue to SYD/MEL.



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User currently offline28L28L From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Cheers, AlitaliaDC10
I appreciate your help.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 7):
Viscount I can assure AZ operated flights finished 24OCT1998 and KLM took over with the 744/74E.

YOu are mistaken. I had a lot to do with those flights as in work wise so I know first hand.

AZ did fly BKK-MXP durino the AZ/KL alliance 3 x weekly with the AZ 742s but these flights stopper in BKK only - they did not continue to SYD/MEL.

I must have been mistaken about the flight originating SYD. I had assumed that was the reason for the delay.


User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2765 times:

28L28L - you're very welcome!

Viscount724 - no problems -  



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2733 times:

Thanks for this thread - I'd forgotten the AZ/KL link even though I flew AMS-MXP-SIN-SYD in 98. KL metal all the way (combi from MXP), with a single AZ flight attendant and trilingual announcements.

As to the immigration, Leichhardt to Five Dock were firmly Italian destinations post WWII. Leichhardt has the reputation, but Haberfield is the current little Italy in Sydney. South of Parramatta Rd was more Greek during that period, with subsequent Lebanese and then Vietnamese immigration. But I agree that Melbourne appears to wear its Italian heart on its sleeve more than Sydney.


User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2693 times:

Hi Kent350787 - so true about Leichhardt - it has lost its "little Italy" charm - and I am not too fond of the Italian forum.

Habefield and Five Dock are better now to get the Italian food. If only SYD had a Brunetti's like they do in MEL  



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 12):
Habefield and Five Dock are better now to get the Italian food. If only SYD had a Brunetti's like they do in MEL

Haven't tried Brunetti's, but Napoli in Bocca (Haberfield) is never bad. And then there's Pasticceria Papa or AP Sulfaro for dolce!

On topic(ish), I don't actually recall the AZ 742s at SYD in the late 1990s, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention....


User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

wow I haven't been to Napoli in Bocca in ages!! it was nice pizza back then. You should also try GPO Pizza at Martin Place under Westin and Pompei's at Bondi...

Papa makes yummy Sicilian sweets!!  

I think you weren't paying attention - lol. It was always a real treat to see AZ's 747s at SYD - and all the chaos that came with it. Departures at SYD was a lot of fun - you had Gulf, MEA, Olympic at all once - what pandemonium - lol.



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 14):
I think you weren't paying attention - lol. It was always a real treat to see AZ's 747s at SYD - and all the chaos that came with it. Departures at SYD was a lot of fun - you had Gulf, MEA, Olympic at all once - what pandemonium - lol.

Have to admit I wasn't so much into aircraft back in those days. Having kids since has allowed me lots of time to let them watch aircraft  

2 blocks from Martin Place atm, so will have to give GPO pizza a try. Napoli in Bocca - pizza is good, but the cozze with spicy tomato sauce has been my meal on many visits.


User currently offlineSexyAdonis From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 14):
GPO Pizza at Martin Place under Westin

Its ok but does not come anywhere close to what VANTO has at the QVB .. one of the best pizzas in all SYD.

Sexy Adonis


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Alitalia was part of a strong European contingent of airlines that all served both Melbourne and Sydney for many years through the 70's, 80's and 90's. They mostly operated into Melbourne first before continuing onto Sydney, before returning to Melbourne and back to Asia/Europe. KLM, Lufthansa, JAT, Olympic and Alitalia. For a short period UTA bucked that trend and operated from CDG into Sydney via SIN and onto Melbourne once a week. They were the good old days! As AlitaliaDC10 stated, Melbourne was dropped by AZ when the team up with KLM started and about the same time Lufthansa also dropped Melbourne and for a short time operated Condor B763's to Sydney for a while before withdrawing from Australia completely. JAT DC10's disappeared with the war at home.

BZF



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