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User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10454 times:

Hi

Sorry if this has been discussed before but I have looked  

A good friend of mine was travelling from Perth or Brisbane to London, during the Late 80's early 90's and he intended to fly MH the whole way but on approach to Kuala Lumpur the plane had a technical issue and was unable to complete the second segment to London, so Kuwait Airways came in to the rescue for all the people travelling onwards to London and they offered to take them free of charge via Kuwait.
My friend describes the plane having a cargo section and a passenger area, he says it was like First/Business class only.

I have a few Questions:

1. Was it a 747 he was on and what type and by any chance could I get a reg or far too early?

2. Is there any pics of a 747 cabin belonging to KU

I know its hard to get registration from that early but any help is fantastic!
Thanks a lot for any information!

Dublinspotter  

[Edited 2012-07-28 07:57:24]


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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7925 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10402 times:

KU's sole 747-400 is really a VIP transport. The centre section (where there would be 4 seats) of zone D or E is a hospital, and is "boxed off" with dividers, so you have the outboard seats in 3s with a wall on the inboard side of the aisle, like this:

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And the upper deck is a bedroom / VIP section, and possibly zone A (nose) too. So you have some business class at the front (zones B / C), some very limited economy at the back (zones D / E) but only the outboard seats. Not sure of the total capacity, maybe 200? Hardly seems worth it but in this config it operates scheduled flights for KU. Used to come to LHR on revenue services quite often, haven't seen it for a while. This is the machine:

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Seems likely that your 747-200 was an ancestor.

Quoting Dublinspotter (Thread starter):
Sorry if this has been discussed before but I have looked

Thank you but doesn't need to be said.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2808 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10372 times:
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Kuwait operated four B747-269BM models with a main deck cargo door in the rear port side.

Heres an image of 9K-ADB. You can see the cargo door.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26488 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10335 times:

Loved KUs old B747s . Once flew F Class LHR-JFK and was one of the best flights I ever had. Wish I had taken photos back in those days . Would really be nice to reflect back. They had cool gifts for premium passengers back then too like clocks and radios branded.


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User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7874 times:

In the late 70's early 80's until late 80's KU 747's used to have a lounge in the upper deck, I used to enjoy being there and wished that the flight never lands.

As rutankrd mentioned, KU operated four 747-200 reg 9K-ADA - B - C - D and they used to fly to LHR, FRA, JFK, BKK, MNL, BOM, CAI, KUL, CGK. Currently 2 of them are stored at RUH for more than a decade. 9K-ADB,D



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User currently offlinefanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1943 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7874 times:

If you are an old sentimentalist like myself, Aviation 400 sells a nice 1:400 scale replica of the Kuwait 747-269BM. Registration is 9K-ADB. Someone is selling them on eBay right now; you can always see if there is a better deal out there, though this one seems reasonable at $26.95, shipping included. I remember the hijacking involving one of these aircraft; the TV stations showed the inside of the aircraft, which was a tasteful gray-and-white. They were nice aircraft!


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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7310 times:

It was an ex KU 747 200, that was used in the movie Executive Decision, as a matter fact, Oceania Airways livery, is KU livery, except it has a BIG blue Oceania written on the plane in place of Kuwait Airways, and a blue tail with a white O and A with wave in them.

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

I have flown many times on KUs B747-200s from KWI to JFK via LHR on KU101 and it was joy to fly on. Very comfortable seats and a nice cabin ambiance. Its unfortunate that they did not purchase few Boeing 747-400 Combis as these would have been ideal aircraft for routes such as the one mentioned above plus cargo heavy routes such as BKK/MNL/CAI/BOM/DAC which in turn would have also seen full flight loads in the pax cabin.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

Quoting KU747 (Reply 4):
In the late 70's early 80's until late 80's KU 747's used to have a lounge in the upper deck, I used to enjoy being there and wished that the flight never lands.

I have a very happy memory of the Kuwaiti 747 Classics; some thirty years ago, in 1981, when I was eleven, my father was a visiting professor at Kuwait University and my mother, my brother and I flew out to meet him; we flew first class and I recall the upper deck lounge - and my first cockpit visit. We flew out in "Al Mubarakiya", which was 'ADC, then flew back (in June of that year) in 'ADA, Al Sabahiya. On the return flight, we were seated in the upper deck as the plane had been overbooked; I recall there was a British captain on the upper deck with us (deadheading); he was very interesting; then 58, he had started his career in the war and somehow ended up with KAC.

I do recall, however, that we had the option of flying out a few days earlier, but both my Dad and I rejected this, because it involved flying on a 707 and we both wanted to fly on a 747! If I could go back in time and clip myself around the ear ... !


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2808 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6486 times:
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Quoting behramjee (Reply 7):
Its unfortunate that they did not purchase few Boeing 747-400 Combis

9K-ADE is current and it IS a 747-400M (rear cargo door) combi model , however is only used by the airline for ad-hoc passenger/freighting duties. It available to the Emir in the main.
The images from Cedarjet are from this aircraft

The classics were replaced with a combination of A340s or 772ERs


User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

Hi

Thanks very much guys for getting back to me! Is there any pics of the interior of the B747-200's? It was actually very interesting to read the information about them  

I would never have guessed Kuwait airways had a lounge upstairs   I thought it was the big carriers like Pan Am and Virgin.

I would love to fly KU as they are my second favourite airline even though I have never flown them before! I whould like to try out one of there 5th freedome flight between CDG and FCO or GVA and FRA   But its is quite hard to get to one of those airports as my closest is BFS.

Thanks again for replying

Dublinspotter  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

A bit of history on these 747-200 aircraft. Leading up to the first gulf war, KU had these 4 frames for sale.

Turkish Airlines was getting extremely close to purchasing 3 of them, but alas the war, and subsequent economic slow down.

Sadly KU was not very successful in find buyers for these relative low-time frames. Two finally were sold into becoming freighters about 5-years later, but the the other two last I heard were being stored in Saudi Arabia. (might still be).

Also one of the aircraft had extensive interior damage after being involved in a long hijacking in the 1980s - it flew around for almost 2 weeks with hostages in between Iran, Cyprus and Algeria.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

Forgot to add – not sure many know – there was another 747-400 Combi built for KU – L/N 1069.

It was never delivered, and instead was taken up by PAL as N754PR (and now RP-C7475) Its KU pedigree is quite visible with Arabic signage in the cabin still however.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26488 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

I remember the KU B747 hijack .

Hijackers who took control of a Kuwait Airways jumbo jet have released 24 women passengers and one man with a heart condition.
They were freed after negotiations between the prime minister of Iran, where the plane landed earlier today, and the hijackers - believed to be six or seven Arab men.

They hijacked Kuwait Airways Flight 422 as it travelled from Bangkok in Thailand to Kuwait with 111 passengers and crew aboard and forced the pilot to land in Mashhad, Iran.

..http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/5/newsid_2522000/2522651.stm..

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/5b60c91b.jpg




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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7925 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 5):
Aviation 400 sells a nice 1:400 scale replica of the Kuwait 747-269BM. Registration is 9K-ADB. Someone is selling them on eBay right now; you can always see if there is a better deal out there, though this one seems reasonable at $26.95

Bought one! Thanks for the info!



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User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

Quoting KU747 (Reply 4):
Currently 2 of them are stored at RUH for more than a decade. 9K-ADB,D

That was my reply yesterday.

I asked regarding the 2 frames mentioned above and I was told that they were sold few years ago and not stored at RUH anymore.

Just want to correct my previous reply.



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User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Quoting Dublinspotter (Reply 10):
I would never have guessed Kuwait airways had a lounge upstairs   I thought it was the big carriers like Pan Am and Virgin.

In addition to the lounge in the upper deck, I just remembered, the last few rows in the economy class KU used to have a long seat (sofa type) facing each other with a table in the middle (3 across), passengers used to play cards, table games, chat, smoke ...etc. saying that, even economy passengers have their own lounge and not only the first class passengers.

Flying in those days used to be a lot of fun with many facilities on board.



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7925 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

What were the loads like on KU's jumbos back in the 70s and 80s? Kuwait doesn't have a massive population, and has never promoted it's connectivity actively - although I know it's easier to fly through Kuwait City from (say) London to India than it is on (say) Saudia. So sure, a few connecting passengers, but did they fill those jumbos on routes to and from Kuwait, or was there a degree of vanity involved and oftentimes the loads were quite low? Anyone know (anecdotal evidence is fine)?


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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7199 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

KU747

Any idea what happened to them after the left RUH. Also do you know how many years ago that they were sold and to who?.

Cedarjet

iirc, in addition to the indigenous population, they had a substantial ex pat community/foreign contractors. That would generate a lot of turnover.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

From my experience back in the 747 days, KU actually did OK.

Prior to the likes of EK/EY/QR, the real transit option in the region was GF and secondary KU.

From what I recall KU was an viable option to get around, and while a member of IATA they tended to sell under the table that encourage transit flow. I recall friends needing to get to places like India take KU, and others that wanted to get from Turkey to the Far East also try KU.

Unfortunately today the world has changed, and KU was left behind with a tiny fleet, minimal network connectivity, and rather spartan onboard product.



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Anyone know if there are some interior photos available of their 747-400?


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User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Friend of mine used to fly to BKK from LHR with Kuwait. I suggested he try Gulf Air because then he would have free alcohol and the service was great. So on his next flight he went with Gulf Air.
On his return trip he watched as the Kuwait 747 took off. On landing in London he heard that it had been hijacked to Iran! He then bought me a pile of drinks for saving him from the experience!


User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Hi

Again thanks for getting back to me, so the B742's have had an interesting history and configuration!  
Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 21):
Friend of mine used to fly to BKK from LHR with Kuwait. I suggested he try Gulf Air because then he would have free alcohol and the service was great. So on his next flight he went with Gulf Air.
On his return trip he watched as the Kuwait 747 took off. On landing in London he heard that it had been hijacked to Iran! He then bought me a pile of drinks for saving him from the experience!

Wow! A bit of luck their!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
rom what I recall KU was an viable option to get around, and while a member of IATA they tended to sell under the table that encourage transit flow. I recall friends needing to get to places like India take KU, and others that wanted to get from Turkey to the Far East also try KU.

Unfortunately today the world has changed, and KU was left behind with a tiny fleet, minimal network connectivity, and rather spartan onboard product.

It is sad how the country, airport and the airline have changed in the past few decades. From being a good place to pass through but now its DXB and DOH. Apparently Kuwait are planning to build a new airport, is that correct?

Quoting KU747 (Reply 16):
n addition to the lounge in the upper deck, I just remembered, the last few rows in the economy class KU used to have a long seat (sofa type) facing each other with a table in the middle (3 across), passengers used to play cards, table games, chat, smoke ...etc. saying that, even economy passengers have their own lounge and not only the first class passengers.

WOW, that must've been an experience for economy, and again it does show airlines back then thought more about passenger comfort than money as they do nowadays, with the current economy.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Sadly KU was not very successful in find buyers for these relative low-time frames. Two finally were sold into becoming freighters about 5-years later, but the the other two last I heard were being stored in Saudi Arabia. (might still be).

Pity that that the remaining two will be scrapped, are they still in the KU livery or are they eroding away? And any pics? And what about the two sold are they still flying?


It is sad how they are now left with a small fleet and are surrounded by larger dominant carriers like EK and QR, would they be on there last steps or are they doing okay to continue ops?

And one last thing probably stupid questions:
What airlines could you compare KU to as in service and on-board product and what skytrax star rating do they have?

Thanks again for commenting and for the useful info!

Dublinspotter  



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Quoting Dublinspotter (Reply 10):
I would never have guessed Kuwait airways had a lounge upstairs I thought it was the big carriers like Pan Am and Virgin

Actually quite a few airlines had the UD lounge in the 70s......the only one I got to use was AI, who had the first class lounge on their entire fleet of 10 742s all the way from 1971 to about 1981......then they installed revenue seats up there....


User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2693 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Also one of the aircraft had extensive interior damage after being involved in a long hijacking in the 1980s - it flew around for almost 2 weeks with hostages in between Iran, Cyprus and Algeria.

I was just a kid in elementary school when this hijacking took place, but remember looking at the photos of the hijacked jumbo jet on the Newsweek magazine. Even as a small child, I remember that hijackings in those years were quite common. I found this old recording of what appears to be Kuwaiti news on the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsN9FMx_hpQ


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