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Inflight "diversion"...to Pick Up Passengers!  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26199 times:

The Chilean local carrier Sky Airlines is in the news again. After the close call of the wing smashing the runway a few days ago, and the full audit to the airline by the DGAC, today a report of a passenger winning a case against the airline was made public.
Long story short, about a year ago, a Sky Airline flight departed SCL with destination ANF. Mid-flight, the airline changed the first destination ( ANF ) to IQQ ( more than 200 nm north of ANF ), to pick up a group of passengers, for not very clear reasons. One passenger protested against that decision ( because she was flying to attend a work meeting in ANF and this sudden change will affect her schedule ). After an argument ( where the woman can be seen talking very calm with the crew ) the captain requested the presence of the police and kick the woman out of the plane in IQQ.
She sued and now she won the case against the airline, who will be fined with a U$D 2.000 and should pay a U$D 2.500 compensation to the woman. Personally this is the first time i hear about a "diversion" to pick up a group of passengers, I mean, totally understand the woman's position, when I buy a ticket SCL-ANF, I don't expect a flight SCL-IQQ-ANF, unless there is a safety/weather explanation.


http://www.chilevision.cl/home/content/view/429381/81/

Have you ever heard about similar situations ??

Rgds.
G.


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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2453 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26132 times:

Absolutely. Planes break, and without the possibility of gettin folks to their final desination for days, instead of repoing an aircraft to that city (especially if there are no spares in either the aircraft or crew departments) airlines sometimes flagstop a flight to pick up distressed passengers. Is it a pain for those originally on the AAA-BBB flight, absolutely. But a 45 minute delay for some folks is a lot better than what those other passengers were originally intending to do (2, 3, maybe 4 days).


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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25992 times:

Quoting xjramper (Reply 1):
Absolutely. Planes break, and without the possibility of gettin folks to their final desination for days, instead of repoing an aircraft to that city (especially if there are no spares in either the aircraft or crew departments) airlines sometimes flagstop a flight to pick up distressed passengers. Is it a pain for those originally on the AAA-BBB flight, absolutely. But a 45 minute delay for some folks is a lot better than what those other passengers were originally intending to do (2, 3, maybe 4 days).

True but it is almost always announced before the plane takes off not when you are already halfway to your destination.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25858 times:

Quoting xjramper (Reply 1):
Planes break, and without the possibility of gettin folks to their final desination for days, instead of repoing an aircraft to that city (especially if there are no spares in either the aircraft or crew departments) airlines sometimes flagstop a flight to pick up distressed passengers. Is it a pain for those originally on the AAA-BBB flight, absolutely. But a 45 minute delay for some folks is a lot better than what those other passengers were originally intending to do (2, 3, maybe 4 days).

Well, yes, but why don't you pick up the stranded passengers after completing your original route ?? If you look a map of Chile, you will see that ANF is 590 nm north of SCL,and IQQ is 770 nm north of SCL, in a straight line. If you have a broken plane and want to "rescue" the passengers in IQQ, you can do that re-scheduling a flight form Arica to make a short stop in IQQ, or you can delay the return flight ANF-SCL ( 1, 2 hours top ) to pick up the people in IQQ, specially knowing that ANF is mainly a business destination ( leisure or tourism passengers are minority in this route ) .... I mean, there are better ways to do the things, and lately this airline is choosing exactly the worst option...

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2453 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 25451 times:

Without knowing the full details, it is really hard to comment on what really happened. But when you say that ANF is a business destination, what if the folks that needed the rescue needed to be in ANF? That would only work if they are heading to ANF and not away from it.


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User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 24086 times:

I've never understood people who complain about missing important appointments due to the action of airlines. If you have something that's important, maybe work a little wiggle room into the schedule where one delay doesn't ruin the plans, huh?

User currently offlinestrangr From Australia, joined Apr 2012, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 23569 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Have you ever heard about similar situations ??

2002 I think it was when I flew to Canada, the flight was with Air Pacific (Cheap seats) the initial flight was routed SYD NAN then YVR.

However we ended up flying SYD NAN PPG HNL YVR

The main reason was that the flight from Nadi to Vancouver was supposed to be on a 747, however they down graded it to a 737, all the xtra stops were for fuel, however there was some mail unloaded in samoa, which made me think that the flight was planned that way.

Made for a long trip and due to all the stops very hard to get any sleep, but none the less a one time chance to island hop.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24643 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 23333 times:

Quoting strangr (Reply 6):
The main reason was that the flight from Nadi to Vancouver was supposed to be on a 747, however they down graded it to a 737, all the xtra stops were for fuel, however there was some mail unloaded in samoa, which made me think that the flight was planned that way.

As far as I recall FJ never used the 747 to YVR. Their YVR service was always scheduled as a 737-800 NAN-HNL-YVR. They still operate NAN-HNL (once a week) with the 738 but dropped YVR in 2008.


User currently offlineOllieJolly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 23102 times:

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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 885 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22995 times:
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Quoting strangr (Reply 6):
The main reason was that the flight from Nadi to Vancouver was supposed to be on a 747, however they down graded it to a 737, all the xtra stops were for fuel, however there was some mail unloaded in samoa, which made me think that the flight was planned that way.

That sounds normal and quite necessary, IMO. But whatever happened here, with Sky, was a little strange given what little details are public.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22916 times:
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User currently onlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22716 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Have you ever heard about similar situations ??

Saw an old episode of Airline USA a few days ago where they re-routed a flight from MDW to ISP via PVD to bring 18 passengers home. Unlike the PVD pax, the ISP pax were not happy.  
Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 5):
I've never understood people who complain about missing important appointments due to the action of airlines. If you have something that's important, maybe work a little wiggle room into the schedule where one delay doesn't ruin the plans, huh?

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User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22549 times:

When traveling, you ALWAYS need to build in some wiggle room to your schedule! Stuff happens! If you don't, then you need to be adult enough about it, and roll with the punches when you miss getting to your destination as expected. And yes, I have gotten angry about delays, etc. But I try to remind myself that things go better if I am nice and gracious.

That said, if the passengers in this instance were not told in advance of the diversion, then they have every right to be angry. And yes the airlines are PERFECT when it comes to giving us pax timely and accurate information.      


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8182 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22408 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Have you ever heard about similar situations ??

Happens pretty routinely. I remember we had a CLE-ATL MD88 take a mechanical and an SYR-ATL MD88 was re-routed west, picked up the pax and some extra fuel, and was on its way again in about 30 minutes.



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22157 times:
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1982 was booked on BA DXB- HKG- Manila.
Plane arrived 3 hours late, carrying a 5th engine, we flew to Delhi to drop the engine, we were delayed a couple of hours so they can get the pax from the day before, then we continued our flight.
I think total delay was over 7 hours when we arrived to Manila.



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User currently offlinelweber557 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 21274 times:

I remember hearing about something kind of like on the news awhile back in the US. I wanna say it was a America West, but whatever airline it was they operated the charter plane for a basketball team. Apparently the team's plane was unable to fly for whatever reason so the airline had a plane that was already in the air with passengers on board turn around and deplane so it could be used to fly the basketball team to where they we're going.

User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 1842 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 21214 times:

Only took 5 replies for someone to blame the passenger for missing their meeting because she had the audacity to believe the published routing and schedule.  

User currently offlinebos2laf From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20624 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 16):
Only took 5 replies for someone to blame the passenger for missing their meeting because she had the audacity to believe the published routing and schedule.  

Well, guess what? In the words of Forrest Gump, "$hit happens."

It's great when things go according to plan and you get off your plane and hop a cab to whatever business engagement you have planned, but if you have the luxury of building some time into your schedule and fail to do so, you really have no right to complain when things go wrong.

Planes break.
ATC computers break.
Airline computers break.
Weather happens.
Runway construction happens.
Birdstrikes happen.
TSA lines get backed up.
Terminal evacuations happen.

There are tons of what-ifs that cannot be reasonably predicted, so if you have extra time to take an earlier flight but voluntarily take a later flight leaving you minutes to get off the plane and into a cab and off to your business meeting, its nobody's fault but your own for not planning cautiously.

I get that not everyone has the luxury of building a fudge factor into their schedules, but my initial statement still applies, $hit happens.


User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20336 times:

There is a very recent example (23rd July 2012) with Gulf Air. From the Aviation Herald:

"A Gulf Air Airbus A320-200, registration A9C-AG performing flight GF-29 from Bahrain (Bahrain) to Rome Fiumicino (Italy), was descending towards Rome when both left and right hand windscreens cracked within seconds. The crew continued the approach and landed safely on Fiumicino's runway 34L.

The aircraft was unable to perform the return flight GF-28.

Flight GF-26 from Copenhagen (Denmark) to Bahrain (Bahrain) flown by an Airbus A320-200 registration A9C-AM was diverted to Fiumicino to pick up the passengers of flight GF-28 and reached Bahrain with a delay of 3.5 hours (both flights)."


User currently offlineDizzy777 From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19353 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 3):
Well, yes, but why don't you pick up the stranded passengers after completing your original route ?? If you look a map of Chile, you will see that ANF is 590 nm north of SCL,and IQQ is 770 nm north of SCL, in a straight line. If you have a broken plane and want to "rescue" the passengers in IQQ, you can do that re-scheduling a flight form Arica to make a short stop in IQQ, or you can delay the return flight ANF-SCL ( 1, 2 hours top ) to pick up the people in IQQ, specially knowing that ANF is mainly a business destination ( leisure or tourism passengers are minority in this route ) .... I mean, there are better ways to do the things, and lately this airline is choosing exactly the worst option....

If pax in both places were meant to end up at ANF, you pick up the pax in IQQ and then go to ANF - that removes the need to create an additional flt for the operating aircraft and allows it to continue on its next scheduled flt with a delay of 1 hour or so.. instead of 2 extra legs and the associated ground time, extra costs (extra take off and landing fees, fuel, wages, flt crew hours and so on.) if you have to go to ANF twice instead of single stop before continuing the schedule.


User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19242 times:

Quoting lweber557 (Reply 15):
I remember hearing about something kind of like on the news awhile back in the US. I wanna say it was a America West, but whatever airline it was they operated the charter plane for a basketball team. Apparently the team's plane was unable to fly for whatever reason so the airline had a plane that was already in the air with passengers on board turn around and deplane so it could be used to fly the basketball team to where they we're going.

I believe it was a sports charter for the Angels out of DFW. If I remember correctly there was some type of guarantee in the contract that made dispatch feel this was the best option. I don't recall what reason was given to the passengers already enroute for why they were turning around. Needless to say a lot of upset deplaned passengers watching their plane turn around and takeoff without them.


User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19141 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 16):
Only took 5 replies for someone to blame the passenger for missing their meeting because she had the audacity to believe the published routing and schedule
Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
One passenger protested against that decision ( because she was flying to attend a work meeting in ANF and this sudden change will affect her schedule ). After an argument ( where the woman can be seen talking very calm with the crew ) the captain requested the presence of the police and kick the woman out of the plane in IQQ.
She sued and now she won the case

Sigh. From Delta's Contract of Carriage, IGR Rule 80, "Revised Routings Failure to Carry and Missed Connections":

"Delta will exercise reasonable efforts to carry passengers and their baggage according to Delta's published schedules and the schedule reflected on the passenger's ticket, but published schedules, flight times, aircraft type, seat assignments, and similar details reflected in the ticket or Delta's published schedules are not guaranteed and form no part of this contract. Delta may substitute alternative carriers or aircraft, delay or cancel flights, change seat assignments, and alter or omit stopping places shown on the ticket at any time. Schedules are subject to change without notice. Except as stated in this rule or Rule 55, Delta will have no liability for making connections, failing to operate any flight according to schedule, changing the schedule for any flight, changing seat assignments or aircraft types, or revising the routings by which Delta carries the passenger from the ticketed origin to destination."

Pretty much covers this. The rule and Rule 55 do set out various forms of compensation that Delta will pay for certain types of delays under certain circumstances.


User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17797 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
True but it is almost always announced before the plane takes off not when you are already halfway to your destination.

I've flagstopped at least two flights that were already enroute in order to pick up pax that, otherwise, would be screwed for days. It's not a normal operation, but it happens more often than you think.


User currently offlinethrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17414 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
True but it is almost always announced before the plane takes off not when you are already halfway to your destination
Quoting JayDub (Reply 22):
I've flagstopped at least two flights that were already enroute in order to pick up pax that, otherwise, would be screwed for days. It's not a normal operation, but it happens more often than you think.

I'm gonna have to second JayDub's statement. I think the general public is blissfully unaware of how often an enroute diversion to pick up stranded passengers is. As a passenger, it's happened to me on America West and United. As a pilot I've had to do it a couple of times, too. In essence, a contract of carriage is to get you from Point A to Point B. Airlines are afforded a tremendous amount of latitude in not just routing but also timing.


User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16893 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
this is the first time i hear about a "diversion" to pick up a group of passengers, I mean, totally understand the woman's position, when I buy a ticket SCL-ANF, I don't expect a flight SCL-IQQ-ANF, unless there is a safety/weather explanation.

In summer 2000 I was waiting for an evening flight NCE - AMS with Transavia when a colleague called me from AMS saying that the flight to NCE was cancelled due to technical problems. After a while it was decided to route the half empty BCN - AMS via NCE to pick us up. Total delay was just 90 minutes, job well done. And because it was an evening flight no one missed connections or meetings.



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25 skywaymanaz : Contract of carriage from A to B is probably the basis of her lawsuit in that she never got to B and why she was awarded damages. She was removed fro
26 JONC777 : Ive seen wn do this. Usally its a very underbooked flight in the first place that lands somewhere to pick up stranded pax from another lightly booked
27 whisperjet : Not that uncommon. Some charter airlines in the European market add additional stops if they cannot fill the planes for two separate flights. Stefam
28 MD11Engineer : As one ex-military guy once told me: "If you are on time, you are too late. Always plan for the worst case". So if the meeting was that important, I w
29 Post contains images Markam : Good advice, but try doing that when having a busy schedule, and you will soon realize that you can only go to two or three meetings a week... airlin
30 wjcandee : So much whining.... The market has spoken. You may be able to marginally increase travel time reliability by doing the banal things some have mentione
31 bristolflyer : Ok so it's been determined that the airlines do this occasionally. And the pax should have left more margins in her timescales. But she has a right to
32 Post contains links krisyyz : This incidents reminds me of a TAP flight that recently returned to BUD due to some forgotten passengers left at the airport by mistake. http://avhera
33 Post contains images Markam : Oh, my apologies, if "the market" has spoken, it is settled, then, and I am just whining... but, you know, just to make sure that you are not one of
34 SJUSXM : Back in the day when you saw half empty widebodies routinely flying around the US this was even more common, especially in the Northeast. My dad tells
35 ckfred : Back in the early 1980s, my parents were flying on the original Ozark from JLN to ORD, with a stop in STL. The flight they were scheduled on was cance
36 wjcandee : Don't think you're using the word "elasticity" correctly here. What there certainly is in this business is high price elasticity of demand. As proven
37 Maverick623 : The truth hurts sometimes.
38 Tomassjc : Never forget riding MEX-Cozumel on a Mexicana 727 in the 80s. We started our decent at what I thought was rather early into the flight. Shortly therea
39 AAIL86 : Aviation is indeed an exceptional industry. Some of the challenges airlines face on a daily basis would leave some of their counterparts working in o
40 AAIL86 : In the USA, ALL the majors have an average punctuality of 75%-82%. I'm pretty sure that down in Chile, LAN is close to that as well. When one conside
41 Post contains images cmf : All who claim airlines will delay passengers on one flight to take care of other passengers are obviously wrong. It doesn't happen. At least that is w
42 shufflemoomin : I'd forgotten about this, and not an in-flight diversion, but on an SAS flight from CPH-EWR in January 2011, we were delayed for a while at the gate b
43 Post contains images Markam : Keeping it simple, "elasticity" in economics refers to the ratio of the percentage change in one variable with respect to the percentage change in an
44 Markam : You are certainly very welcome to ask: 1) I would make airlines 100% responsible for any delays on their side caused by anything else than "force maj
45 Markam : So they say, but again, I really do not think that the logistics involving, say, express air freight, are less challenging, and express air freight c
46 USAIRWAYS321 : Sigh. You read that and think it sounds reasonable and fair? You may like bending over again and again and then thanking them for the privilege, but
47 wjcandee : Hey, USAIRWAYS. First of all, thanks for the personal attack. Thought that wasn't permitted around here. But anyway, here's the point: That's the cont
48 USAIRWAYS321 : There was no personal attack, come on. What I said, and I stand by, is that it's beyond absurd for airlines to be able to wipe their hands clean of e
49 bellancacf : I like to remember that the stranded people who were picked up also had paid for their tickets and had places to get to. They were, in other words, pa
50 Maverick623 : And most other industries would fold within a week if they had to work with the conditions airlines do. Oh, my! The horror of helping out dozens of s
51 ss278 : Twenty-five or so years ago I was on a late-evening United DC-10 flight operating ORD-LGA. Before we pushed back the captain announced we would be sto
52 OB1504 : Whether or not the terms of the contract are reasonable and fair is not the question being debated here. If Sky Airline had similar language in its c
53 trex8 : US naval academy midshipmen returning from leave are expected to book flights to arrive at BWI at least 4 hours before their leave ends and they are
54 USAIRWAYS321 : How can you POSSIBLY call expecting to arrive on-time, and without visiting a city not listed on the itinerary, unrealistic? Are you kidding me?[Edit
55 wjcandee : Expecting to arrive by airline exactly in accordance with the published schedule, particularly where there are significant consequences for failing to
56 vfw614 : I remember that when WOW Air, this new Icelandic LCC, opened its seasonal routes to Germany a few weeks ago, they combined three flights into one, fl
57 Markam : On the contrary, whether or not the terms of the contract are reasonable and fair is central to the question, because there are such things as "abusi
58 acontador : It seems somewhere in this thread some part of the information was lost, and/or some don't really understand what happened in this case. This was not
59 AM744 : When I was a kid, several years ago, our late night AM flight MEX-ZIH took a detour to ACA to drop a crew for a stranded company DC-8. Nobody was piss
60 jpyvr : When I lived in Malta, I took what was supposed to be a day excursion by high-speed catamaran to Sicily. On the evening return the ship began to pitch
61 AM744 : But I concede to the OP that we were told we'd go to ACA before the doors closed, rather than inflight, so anybody could get out if so they wished.
62 Markam : Again, at least for me, the problem is not to make a diversion to help other passengers, is the fact that the airlines do not acknowledge the right t
63 bennett123 : IMO, the airline may still up in pocket hers. The court option cost $4,500, how much would it cost to put all those passengers in a Hotel overnight?.
64 Gonzalo : The question is how much would cost an additional landing and take off, since that was really the only saving they had passing over ANF and continue
65 exFWAOONW : And just what would your opinions be if YOU were the ones stranded? I'd think that you'd tell the unhappy campers on your rescue flight to f* off, thi
66 Gonzalo : That is a very, very selfish way to see the things. The load factors in the flights to the North of Chile, specially Antofagasta, are always high. I
67 AY104 : In the early 90's, I was on a DL flight to SLC from YVR. Routing YVR - GEG - SLC. During the stop in GEG, someone popped the emergency chute, and the
68 Maverick623 : No, no, no. You wanted to bash airlines for not performing up to the standards of other industries. I called that an unrealistic view. You seem to ha
69 USAIRWAYS321 : No, no, no yourself. Your inability to rationally defend a blatantly predatory Contract of Carriage isn't an excuse for giving up and resorting to pu
70 ytz : Here in Canada, it was drilled in to you during Basic Officer Training. For any timing given, on any exercise, the individual or the platoon was expe
71 Maverick623 : Oh, really?
72 USAIRWAYS321 : Scroll through the thread. You'll find no post where I said what you claim here. In fact, you'll find 2 instances where I acknowledge the exact oppos
73 Post contains images Markam : Sure they don't, but weather is not the only challenge. In any case, as I have mentioned, I am reasonable and do not expect that airlines compensate
74 ytz : If you were an airline, why would you not now rewrite the contract of carriage to ensure you don't have to pay compensation in the future. I think, t
75 exFWAOONW : There's more than enough selfishness on two sides of this story to fill a couple of 747s. Those on-board "inconvenienced" by the rescue, and the airl
76 USAIRWAYS321 : Absolutely right!
77 lewis : You probably do not hold job positions where such last-minute travel arrangements are the norm.
78 cmf : If you hold such a position then you know that it frequently fails to fly last minute. Flights are delayed, it is fact of life. If you fly with any f
79 neutrino : It is a fact of life that significant delays are a minority occurance as measured against the total number of flights. It is also another fact of lif
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