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Norwegian DY With Longhaul Base In Bangkok  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3805 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16673 times:

Norwegian starts, it's announced cheap route to New York in May next year. The cheapest tickets will cost from Oslo down to 1000 kroner a way - in low season. -

Cabin crew will follow the aircraft and be based in Bangkok, confirmed Kjos at the international aviation conference GBTA in Boston.

In the long term maintenance will also be done abroad. Boeing will deal with that part. Pilots and cabin that will fly the new long haul routes will not be engaged in Norwegian, but hired by staffing agencies. This will save Norwegian personnel costs. The cabin crews must live in Bangkok - The cabin crew are mainly Thais. Anyone can apply, but they must stay in Bangkok. The most important thing is that they are experienced and skilled. Since Norwegian Air Shuttle is Norwegian, we need pilots with European certificates, says CEO Bjørn Kjos.

- The airline industry is extremely competitive. It is important to be as flexible as possible when we enter a new market. We will start with a hired crew and the possibility start with employment after a while, says head of information Åsa Larsson.

Holiday westward

- It is important to understand that long-distance routes are a global market. Asians will be on vacation in the west. At first, 10-15 percent of the customers on the longhaul routes will be Asians. In five years they will account for half. In a few years, the majority will be Asians, says Kjos.


Translated excerpt from Norwegian article:

Google translation:

http://e24.no/jobb/bangkok-blir-base...gians-langdistansesatsing/20257865

Original Norwegian article:

http://e24.no/jobb/bangkok-blir-base...gians-langdistansesatsing/20257865

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User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16558 times:
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No news really. Only confirmation from the horses mouth about DY's Thai long haul plans.

Should be interesting to hear Thai cockpit and cabincrews welcoming you onboard Norwegian (Nolwegian  ) bound for NYC or BKK.

Do we know which airport DY will fly to in the NYC area?



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17278 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16470 times:

Does DY have any unions? It's interesting to hear an airline publicly say none of the staffing/mx will be local, even though I'm sure many airlines would like to do so.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
The cheapest tickets will cost from Oslo down to 1000 kroner a way - in low season. -

That probably won't even cover the fuel



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3284 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16284 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 1):

Do we know which airport DY will fly to in the NYC area?

JFK is what I've heard all the time


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15961 times:

Those who think JFK will be the only launch destination in the US are in for a big surprise.

In September we will know 



[Edited 2012-07-29 15:11:40]

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15910 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Does DY have any unions? It's interesting to hear an airline publicly say none of the staffing/mx will be local, even though I'm sure many airlines would like to do so.

The unions are furious due to the recent practice of using contractors instead. A strike was avoided recently and I suppose this announcement is just more fuel on the fire.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 4):
Those who think JFK will be the only launch destination in the US are in for a big surprise

How secretive you are. Miami I guess it will be then.



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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15860 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 5):
How secretive you are. Miami I guess it will be then.

It's not a bad guess 


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15789 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 6):
The unions are furious due to the recent practice of using contractors instead. A strike was avoided recently and I suppose this announcement is just more fuel on the fire.

Yes, it was heartbreaking to se all the sympathy and engagement from especially their Scandinavian colleagues from competing airlines during the spring..... Fortunately, some airlines are able and willing to set their disputes inorder to secure the future of their airline 

I'm not particular in favour of contractors my self, but Norwegian managed to enter an agreement with their unions.
This have secured their Intercontinental operations. The fact that they will use contractors for their IC operations have been known for a very long time Im therefore a bitt uncertain of how this article would add more fuel on the fire?



[Edited 2012-07-29 15:13:24]

User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15682 times:

Great!

I'm probably flying to NY next summer from CPH so I guess I could do CPH-OSL-JFK for cheap. 

Looking forward for a GRU flight.  
Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 1):
Should be interesting to hear Thai cockpit

Mind you, they have to hold a JAA license, so I'm sure there are people from here willing to be based in BKK in order to get the job.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3805 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15636 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 1):
Should be interesting to hear Thai cockpit and cabincrews welcoming you onboard Norwegian (Nolwegian ) bound for NYC or BKK.

I am guessing that the pilots will not be Thai:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Since Norwegian Air Shuttle is Norwegian, we need pilots with European certificates, says CEO Bjørn Kjos.


User currently onlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12202 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15557 times:
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So...with cabin crew being Thai...will they even speak Norwegian? (or at least another Scandinavian language)


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3805 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14861 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 10):
So...with cabin crew being Thai...will they even speak Norwegian? (or at least another Scandinavian language)

No info on that yet.

I am not sure how important that is ?


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3019 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14845 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
I am not sure how important that is ?

I don't know. But, for instance, my grandmother likes to travel, however, she always travels with someone, as she doesn't speak English. But, with Norwegian, I wouldn't be surprised if she dared to travel alone, thinking they will speak Norwegian on the plane. This can cause problems, and I'm sure she isn't the only traveller from Norway that wonn't speak English.

Maybe, DY should have one Norwegian speaking purser at least on the flight. And keep things like menus in multiple languages.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2370 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14170 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 9):
I am guessing that the pilots will not be Thai:

I guess basing the crew in Asia means lower income tax for the employee and therefore Norwegian can save money on wages even though the pilots are from Europe.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1651 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13863 times:

Quite sad really. Norwegian might as well change its name.

They can get around the language requirement by just playing loads of pre-recorded messages in Norwegian. Hopefully there will be at least a few cabin crew that can speak it.



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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13821 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 13):
I guess basing the crew in Asia means lower income tax for the employee and therefore Norwegian can save money on wages even though the pilots are from Europe.

Probably pilot crew will have to accept lower salary as well compared to what they could get in Europe. Mind that they will be hired on a contract basis as well just like the cabin crew. But with the requirement of a JAA license pilots will probably get a nice package that will still be attractive considering the cost of living in Thailand.

Wonder what they will offer cabin crew. Probably in the range of THB 15K-20K/month. I assume that would also attract applicants from the SE-Asian region like the Philippines. Newcomers at Thai makes around 30K/month while Orient Thai pays around 15K+flight pay.



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User currently offlineaffirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13645 times:

I don't think it will be that difficult finding Norwegian/Swedish/Danish cabin crew that would like to live in Thailand. Flight Crew may be more difficult since they need a JAA/EASA license.


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13364 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
I am not sure how important that is ?

I would bet a lot of elderly Scandinavians wouldn't really like flying to New York with Thai aircrew who can't speak a Scandinavian language. Contrary to what many think Scandinavians don't all speak and understand English, I'm sure Norwegian will have a couple of attendants on each flight who speak one of the Scandinavian languages, they'd be mad not to.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3284 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13240 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
I would bet a lot of elderly Scandinavians wouldn't really like flying to New York with Thai aircrew who can't speak a Scandinavian language.

Those (usually) won't go to New York anyway, neither BKK, but go to the Canary Island or somewhere else in the Mediterranean where they have spent their holiday the last 30 years


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13210 times:
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Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 8):
Mind you, they have to hold a JAA license, so I'm sure there are people from here willing to be based in BKK in order to get the job.

Sure, but they will also get payed after Thai standards so I guess around 10000 NOK a month...

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 15):
Probably in the range of THB 15K-20K/month. I assume that would also attract applicants from the SE-Asian region like the Philippines. Newcomers at Thai makes around 30K/month while Orient Thai pays around 15K+flight pay.

I think you are quite correct. Cockpit crews will probably make from 45000 bath and upwards, but since these also will be contract hires I think there will big differences.

How hard would it be for a Thai pilot to get a JAA license?



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
I'm sure Norwegian will have a couple of attendants on each flight who speak one of the Scandinavian languages, they'd be mad not to

On my last flight from Oslo to SVG on DY, none of the crew spoke anything except bad English with a heavy East-European accent...



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13138 times:

A low salary in Scandinavia is a very high salary in Thailand for sure. You can add 4 times the value to the NOK if you live in Thailand. A captain that would make say 40 000NOK would equal 160 000 in purchase power in Thailand.

User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 14):
Hopefully there will be at least a few cabin crew that can speak it.

the Norwegian base in HEL mainly have Estonian cabin crews, they have been criticized for their skills in Finnish, though its getting better I've heard. The Swedish speaking Finns hardly can expect to get service in Swedish.


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12659 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 19):
On my last flight from Oslo to SVG on DY, none of the crew spoke anything except bad English with a heavy East-European accent...

Wonder if this puts off Norwegians and sends them over to SAS instead. Really crazy that crew can't speak Norwegian (or at least a Scandinavian language) on a domestic flight in Norway with a Norwegian Carrier.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12215 times:
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Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 22):
Really crazy that crew can't speak Norwegian (or at least a Scandinavian language) on a domestic flight in Norway with a Norwegian Carrier

That's the joy (and result) of low-cost air travel. Ticket PRICE is king, nothing else matters.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12102 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 18):
Those (usually) won't go to New York anyway, neither BKK

They do go to BKK, loads of older Norwegians travel there for holidays.

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 19):
On my last flight from Oslo to SVG on DY, none of the crew spoke anything except bad English with a heavy East-European accent...

Sad isn't it.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 22):
Wonder if this puts off Norwegians and sends them over to SAS instead.

I'm sure it would.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 23):

That's the joy (and result) of low-cost air travel. Ticket PRICE is king, nothing else matters.

Not true, I'd rather pay a couple hundred NOK more and fly SAS. More often than not where I travel SAS is cheaper.


25 Mortyman : Funny, I have flown Norwegian alot lately, and I have never had any problem with the cabin crew language. On all my flights they have spoken Norwegian
26 KiwiRob : Well my Norsk is pretty bad, the times when I do have to resort to it are fairly frequent; it doesn't surprise me when a Norwegian (all age groups) c
27 AAMDanny : A lot of Virgin Atlantic flights to Asia have Asian based crews (the flights are operated with a mix of UK and International based crew) they have loc
28 CO38 : I dont think the majority of the Norwegian traveling public will give a rats @ss where the cabin crew is from, as long at they can fly to Las Palmas
29 Post contains images Mortyman : Must be the Kiwi dialect ... Seriously, it's the first time I have heard this ... In general, Scandinavians are far better in English, than many of t
30 CXfirst : I agree for most under 30. But, when you leave the cities towards more regional areas this gets larger. For instance, my parents (50 now), did not ne
31 KiwiRob : I'm a native English speaker, you're not, I think I notice this more than you do since I'm speaking English to Norwegians daily, do you? Kids start l
32 SASDC8 : As you stated earlier; the key word is comfertable. There are a lot (and I do mean A lot!) of Norwegians (and Swedes for that mater) that don't have
33 KiwiRob : I'm fairly certain that they will alienate a large number of potential passangers because of this.
34 Post contains images okAY : It is funny to see how the tables are turning. Asian crew members were introduced by European legacy airlines some 20-30 years ago, for service and se
35 saleya22R : Maybe a few but not a large number. On long-haul flights there would be a foreign crew anyway in most cases. As a Finn residing in Oslo I find this i
36 teme82 : No they don't fly to MIA.
37 KiwiRob : Yeah but what's odd in this instance is that very few Thai's will be flying to Scandinavia, usually where there are foreign crew it's because they ar
38 KaiGywer : The different in my opionion though is that Ryanair (or AF, KL, LH etc etc) is a foreign carrier. It is expected that they don't speak Norwegian. If
39 saleya22R : Agreed. The article did not reveal anything more about routes from Bangkok. One gets the impression that the hub would primarly serve the traffic to
40 KiwiRob : That's a laugh, Norway is far too expensive for the average Asian tourist to visit, it's a high cost destination.
41 Mortyman : Tourism from Asia is on the increase in Norway. Lately, especially from China. Tourists from China has increased by several 10 000's to Norway in the
42 raggi : Mortyman, are you employed by DY? Your cheerleading of DY, their strategy and plans is thinly disguised in many a topic in this forum. Or are you mer
43 Post contains images Mortyman : I'm afraid I have to dissepoint you "raggi" . I am not employed by DY or a shareholder of DY. Can't say I'm cheerleading for Norwegian. I for one mis
44 KiwiRob : Ahnd now that the Chinese have banned Chinese tour groups to Norway that number is sure to decrease in 2012. The problem for DY is they aren't flying
45 Post contains images kl911 : Then what are they doing on a flight to NYC or BKK anyway? As if they can speak Norwegian there
46 saleya22r : Even if there's a "dramatic" increase in Asian tourists as claimed, they would fly directly from their country of origin as KiwiRob points out. BKK i
47 KiwiRob : The charter resorts in Thailand all have Scandinavian speaking staff, they eat Scanhinavian food and drink Scandinavian beer, it's Scandinavia with s
48 Mortyman : The point of my post was to show that many Asian tourists in general are not as poor as you seem to think in your reply nr. 40.
49 KiwiRob : They are significantly poorer on average than a European let alone a Norwegian. Going back to Kjos expecting 10-15% of the passangers being Asian, wh
50 Post contains images CamiloA380 : The same as a European. They just need to do their ATPL here or they can also convert it. Then what are they doing on a flight to NY? Do you know whe
51 Post contains links and images g2scandinavia : If you define elderly as the dictionary, your statement would erase it'sovn meaning as there are very few elderly travelling from Norway to Thailand.
52 KiwiRob : And I bet the vast majority of passangers are Scandinavians. It's Norwegian in name only, the officers are mostly Norwegian, rather like RCCL.. So wh
53 Someone83 : Of course there is quite a few, but they are often a not very attractive passenger group for the airlines as they often don't travel much and have on
54 finnishway : I would also like to see Norwegian flying long haul from Helsinki, since that would bring needed competition. If I remember right DY is planning route
55 Post contains images g2scandinavia : I can assure you that the last years dub of Pippi into Norwegian, will have very limited effect on DY's Intercontinental operations
56 okAY : Btw, my question is why have the crew base in BKK or in any Asian country for that matter? If the idea is to have lower cost base for the crews, why n
57 Post contains links JRadier : It has to do with the cost of living, which is a lot more expensive in Oslo. Check this site: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living...y2=Norway&ci
58 Mortyman : I am fairly certain that we don't know even half of what Norwegian has planned in the next few years. That kind of goes without saying ..., but that i
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