Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4197 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17350 times:
Norwegian starts, it's announced cheap route to New York in May next year. The cheapest tickets will cost from Oslo down to 1000 kroner a way - in low season. -
Cabin crew will follow the aircraft and be based in Bangkok, confirmed Kjos at the international aviation conference GBTA in Boston.
In the long term maintenance will also be done abroad. Boeing will deal with that part. Pilots and cabin that will fly the new long haul routes will not be engaged in Norwegian, but hired by staffing agencies. This will save Norwegian personnel costs. The cabin crews must live in Bangkok - The cabin crew are mainly Thais. Anyone can apply, but they must stay in Bangkok. The most important thing is that they are experienced and skilled. Since Norwegian Air Shuttle is Norwegian, we need pilots with European certificates, says CEO Bjørn Kjos.
- The airline industry is extremely competitive. It is important to be as flexible as possible when we enter a new market. We will start with a hired crew and the possibility start with employment after a while, says head of information Åsa Larsson.
- It is important to understand that long-distance routes are a global market. Asians will be on vacation in the west. At first, 10-15 percent of the customers on the longhaul routes will be Asians. In five years they will account for half. In a few years, the majority will be Asians, says Kjos.
g2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16466 times:
Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 6): The unions are furious due to the recent practice of using contractors instead. A strike was avoided recently and I suppose this announcement is just more fuel on the fire.
Yes, it was heartbreaking to se all the sympathy and engagement from especially their Scandinavian colleagues from competing airlines during the spring..... Fortunately, some airlines are able and willing to set their disputes inorder to secure the future of their airline
I'm not particular in favour of contractors my self, but Norwegian managed to enter an agreement with their unions.
This have secured their Intercontinental operations. The fact that they will use contractors for their IC operations have been known for a very long time Im therefore a bitt uncertain of how this article would add more fuel on the fire?
I don't know. But, for instance, my grandmother likes to travel, however, she always travels with someone, as she doesn't speak English. But, with Norwegian, I wouldn't be surprised if she dared to travel alone, thinking they will speak Norwegian on the plane. This can cause problems, and I'm sure she isn't the only traveller from Norway that wonn't speak English.
Maybe, DY should have one Norwegian speaking purser at least on the flight. And keep things like menus in multiple languages.
EBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 14498 times:
Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 13): I guess basing the crew in Asia means lower income tax for the employee and therefore Norwegian can save money on wages even though the pilots are from Europe.
Probably pilot crew will have to accept lower salary as well compared to what they could get in Europe. Mind that they will be hired on a contract basis as well just like the cabin crew. But with the requirement of a JAA license pilots will probably get a nice package that will still be attractive considering the cost of living in Thailand.
Wonder what they will offer cabin crew. Probably in the range of THB 15K-20K/month. I assume that would also attract applicants from the SE-Asian region like the Philippines. Newcomers at Thai makes around 30K/month while Orient Thai pays around 15K+flight pay.
I would bet a lot of elderly Scandinavians wouldn't really like flying to New York with Thai aircrew who can't speak a Scandinavian language. Contrary to what many think Scandinavians don't all speak and understand English, I'm sure Norwegian will have a couple of attendants on each flight who speak one of the Scandinavian languages, they'd be mad not to.
SASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 782 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13887 times:
Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 8): Mind you, they have to hold a JAA license, so I'm sure there are people from here willing to be based in BKK in order to get the job.
Sure, but they will also get payed after Thai standards so I guess around 10000 NOK a month...
Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 15): Probably in the range of THB 15K-20K/month. I assume that would also attract applicants from the SE-Asian region like the Philippines. Newcomers at Thai makes around 30K/month while Orient Thai pays around 15K+flight pay.
I think you are quite correct. Cockpit crews will probably make from 45000 bath and upwards, but since these also will be contract hires I think there will big differences.
How hard would it be for a Thai pilot to get a JAA license?
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17): I'm sure Norwegian will have a couple of attendants on each flight who speak one of the Scandinavian languages, they'd be mad not to
On my last flight from Oslo to SVG on DY, none of the crew spoke anything except bad English with a heavy East-European accent...
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13815 times:
A low salary in Scandinavia is a very high salary in Thailand for sure. You can add 4 times the value to the NOK if you live in Thailand. A captain that would make say 40 000NOK would equal 160 000 in purchase power in Thailand.
HELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 1027 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13546 times:
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 14): Hopefully there will be at least a few cabin crew that can speak it.
the Norwegian base in HEL mainly have Estonian cabin crews, they have been criticized for their skills in Finnish, though its getting better I've heard. The Swedish speaking Finns hardly can expect to get service in Swedish.
EBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13336 times:
Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 19): On my last flight from Oslo to SVG on DY, none of the crew spoke anything except bad English with a heavy East-European accent...
Wonder if this puts off Norwegians and sends them over to SAS instead. Really crazy that crew can't speak Norwegian (or at least a Scandinavian language) on a domestic flight in Norway with a Norwegian Carrier.