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UA 787 Dreamliner: Unveiling Event 7/31  
User currently offlinehhslax2 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2012, 129 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 33132 times:

I searched and didn't see anything posted about this.

Is this simply going to be showing off the new paint job, a whole interior tour, or something else?

https://hub.united.com/en-us/Videos/Company/Pages/787-Dreamliner-Live.aspx

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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 32627 times:

Probably the whole enchelada! They've already Released a pic of the new livery that will be applied to it, so I guess the next step is to "officialy" unveil the colorscheme and unveil the interior.

(BTW, the new colorscheme does explain why all the pics of the UA 787s have no cheatline painted on them yet.)


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 962 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 32508 times:

I cant wait to see the delivery flight to IAH!


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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1863 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 29966 times:
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Considering that UA's HQ is now in Chicago, wouldn't they fly it there?

On another note, any idea when the first revenue flight is?



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User currently offline_AA_777_MAN From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 28882 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 3):
Considering that UA's HQ is now in Chicago, wouldn't they fly it there?

I believe the pilots are all based out of IAH, as well as the maintenance will be based out of IAH as well. AFAIK all new 787s will be delivered to IAH.


User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1077 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 28784 times:

I noted in the Q2 Fleet Update issued last week, that UA's 787 deliveries slipped again. Now, they will only get 4 units in 2012 and none until Q4. Previously it was 5 units with one in Q3.

It did not list whether or not the 2013 units will go to 7 788's or stay at 6 with one going into 2014.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2972 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 28724 times:
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I went to "the Hub" and I can't play the movie on my iphone. But from the pictures below, did UA change the BF seat for the 787? And I can see a couple of seats up front that look different from the others?

Also, doesn't another airline have the same BF seat?

And I doubt it was intentional, but the mood lighting in the still shot are the old UA colors!



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6101 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 28402 times:

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 5):

I noted in the Q2 Fleet Update issued last week, that UA's 787 deliveries slipped again. Now, they will only get 4 units in 2012 and none until Q4. Previously it was 5 units with one in Q3.

The fleet update refers to in service aircraft....UA still expects to receive 5 aircraft this year but only 4 of them will be active in the fleet by the end of the year.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 28054 times:

Quoting _AA_777_MAN (Reply 4):
I believe the pilots are all based out of IAH, as well as the maintenance will be based out of IAH as well.



That is correct and I'd bet she'll first arrive IAH after delivery.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 27411 times:

What routes will they be flown on initially? Any domestic?


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 27240 times:

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 9):

I know that DEN-NRT is the first International route.

I also heard:

IAH-MCO
EWR-IAH
EWR-SFO/LAX


User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1799 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 27141 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):
What routes will they be flown on initially? Any domestic?
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 10):
I know that DEN-NRT is the first International route.

I also heard:

IAH-MCO
EWR-IAH
EWR-SFO/LAX

I've been told all hub-hub during the "break in" period.


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 962 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26598 times:

I think the DEN-NRT was the first 787 intl route announced, but that doesnt mean it will be the first intl route flown.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12724 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22727 times:

United Airlines To Host Live Webcast Of First Dreamliner Rolling Out Of Paint Facility

http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....-newsArticle&ID=1719949&highlight=



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20587 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):

Does that mean sCO hub-to-hub or sUA hubs, too? For example, will EWR-ORD ever see 787 service?


User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20482 times:

I am very excited for this and for the fact that the UA 787 is ready...which means it will be delivered soon. This will be a game changer for UA, at least in my opinion. They will be able to attract more int'l pax by flying to destinations that were too small for the 777. I have said this before, but I will say it again...the future of flight is upon us.

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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2972 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19522 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):

Well of all the dumb posts I've made this one tops the list: I was looking at Boeing pictures not UA 787 interiors.

Nonetheless I agree with everyone. This is an inflection point. Moving forward we will demand this level of technology meeting beauty. Bravo United and I hope when UA's hubs are covered with 787's, it will turn their reputation around.



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User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19041 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 10):

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 9):

I know that DEN-NRT is the first International route.

I also heard:

IAH-MCO
EWR-IAH
EWR-SFO/LAX

I've also heard IAH-LAX.



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User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18868 times:

Quoting flyhossd (Reply 17):
I've also heard IAH-LAX.

Think you will seen the 787 visit all stations domestically that see the 767 and above. Particular routes and such while on proving runs have not been released but I am sure they will be once the aircraft is on the property at the latest. I would also expect the s-ua policy of long haul testing with some east coast-Hawaii runs as well as they did with the first 777's into service to test ETOPS. Stretch it legs so to speak!! https://hub.united.com/en-us/pages/default.aspx will be one place to view it starting at 0830 edt.

(hadn't seen any pix of the first 727-100 that is stored on the same field lately...been moved last few days...be nice it it was there at the unveiling!)


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18819 times:

Nice to see the config from UA themselves.



Has this been posted before? Interesting to see they are mixing a zone of E+ and E (row 23-25). I assume they have done this to squeeze in these 3 rows as there otherwise would only have been room for 2 E+ resulting in waste of space.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18424 times:

Is this really only able to be seen if you are a Facebook user? Anyone have another link to the unveiling?


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User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18351 times:

Wow, Business seems roomy compared to the 777IPTE layout, however, when flying cattle I'd rather fly the 777 then this 787...

Wonder if UA is going to add "premium" 787's with F, C and 8 across Y+ and Y...


User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18280 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 20):
Is this really only able to be seen if you are a Facebook user? Anyone have another link to the unveiling?

No. I'm pretty sure you can view it without "liking." 5 minutes!!



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User currently offlineSWALUV From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18095 times:

Interesting CO tail number??? N20904 has been born!!!!!! CO registration.... very interesting....

User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18110 times:

N20904 has left the building!!!!!


Go coogs! \n//
25 Ideekay : Very very nice bird! Hopefully there is one a.netter that will upload his photo!
26 drerx7 : Gorgous bird...honestly this color scheme would be a nice alteration to the fleet. I can't wait till they announce proving runs so I can book my seat.
27 Post contains images ghifty : Looks gorgeous! Can't wait to see her take to the skies. CO ordered the 787.. maybe we'll see the Delta 787's with an "NW" registration!
28 HNL-Jack : Have to wait for the 787-9's, although it will be 9 across in Y.
29 SWALUV : I thought it was UA.
30 Post contains links and images Ideekay : Got a screenshot, here she is:
31 Polot : Both UA and CO ordered the 787. This is a PMCO bird, the deliveries from the PMUA order don't begin until a few years from now.
32 chrisnh : The plane is cool, the registration number isn't.
33 01pewterz28 : Congrats to United she looks amazing to my fellow PMUA fellow flight officers your time is coming soon congrats to the PMCO pilots enjoy your new bird
34 SWALUV : Will those have the N***UA registration?
35 IAHFLYR : What's wrong with the "N" number?
36 AVENSAB727 : I cant wait to see the 787 at IAH, and the delivery flight too.
37 Post contains images Bralo20 : To bad, well I hope that UA doesn't use the 787 on any of their BRU routes then. The 777 and 767 are just fine then I would hate it to change carrier
38 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Any guess either educated or uneducated as to the delivery date? My completely uneducated guess is IAH arrival Friday, September 21, 2012. Why, becau
39 chrisnh : Oh, there's nothing 'wrong' with it. I didn't say there was. But it seems rather 'pedestrian' for such a momentous launch (the first U.S. flag carrie
40 United787 : They are one company now, these are all UA birds. I am sure not. The sCO numbers were seemingly random numbers where as the sUA numbers were all Nxxx
41 Post contains links RDH3E : According to the newest fleet plan, delivery of the 787's is now pushed into Q4, so you should be okay. http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....nix.zh
42 Tdan : It's a sCO N-number. CO's fleet numbering scheme isn't random and the ranges are roughly as follows (a few holes with recent a/c exits): 772 - Nxx001
43 DarkSnowyNight : Personally, I feel neutral about that. But the question is, does anyone know if this is a fleet-wide update, or just a one-off a la ANA's first two 7
44 jnj561 : The sCO tail numbers ties to plane type as well: 735 - Nxx6xx 73G - Nxx7xx 738 - Nxx2xx and Nxx5xx 739 - Nxx4xx 752 - Nxx1x1 - Nxx141 753 - Nxx8xx 76
45 IAHFLYR : Yep, they've used them for years, but I think you missed on the B752's as the last ship is #141, N19141.
46 spink : We'll have to wait and see how accurate seatguru is. They are currently quoting 18.3" seat width for the 9 across united config,
47 United787 : Did not know that but you have to admit that the UA system is better ...minor issue, I know, but it always surprised my CO did't use CA like AA, WN,
48 Post contains images tommy767 : Registration does not bother me. It is a sCO bird after all. Just hope this plane lives up to all the hype!
49 drerx7 : Well, that's in scheduled service. Not so sure that doesn't mean the first won't be delivered in September as planned. However, that could be a matte
50 philhyde : Fair point. However, no one (except us plane nerds) pays attention to the registration number. In contrast, United did select an improved paint schem
51 HNL-Jack : According to UA's PR, it's the livery for the fleet of the 787's. However, I suspect that if the reaction is positive we'll see it spread across the
52 justloveplanes : I wonder how they pulled that off? 18.3 is the same as the PMCO 777 in economy. ANA economy abreast is listed as 18.5" at 8 abreast. Seatguru also cl
53 mcdu : Except this B787 is from the S-CO order. As a result it is flown by S-CO pilots and FA's. The airline does not have cross crew access to the opposite
54 flyhossd : I think that's the point that some here are trying to make - it's a CO style N-number. Is that the future for the post merger UA fleet? Will all UA a
55 tommy767 : I sincerely doubt it. They had the chance to do that when they started the re-paints. I agree the CO system was and is confusing. Especially with the
56 Tdan : Who really cares? Why is it that there always has to be a superiority discussion between CO and UA business practices? Some are definitely justified,
57 bmibaby737 : Can anyone confirm the construction number for N20904? ATDB is listing cn/34824
58 IAHFLYR : IMHO it really wasn't confusing nor is it now, you knew or you didn't know the fleet numbering system. Now back when they had TranStar MD80/82's, Fro
59 airsmiles : I've always liked the tail but the body still seems so bland. I just wish they'd spice up the livery a bit.
60 AADC10 : That must be a typo. The Boeing claim is that at 9 abreast the 787 would have the standard 17.2" wide seat, the same as Boeing narrowbodies and the 1
61 Post contains links CO777DAL : For those who missed it Live this morning. Here is video of the Unveiling http://youtu.be/MaxFNk2nsiw?hd=1
62 tommy767 : Why didn't they put CO at the end of the registration number?
63 cle757 : It should do a Hub tour (yes including CLE) like they did with the CO retro jet!
64 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Who knows, other than the paper work associated with the registration process, paint, etc! Maybe someone such as CALTECH will surface and have the an
65 ER757 : Thanks for the link, was unable to view it live, much appreciated. Simple tweak to the livery makes a lot of difference IMO. I think it looks pretty
66 chicagoflight : Since the new UA is operating under the old CO's operating certificate, I would imagine all new deliveries will be in Continental's numbering system.
67 FriendlySkies : The "CO" couldn't be used in the reg numbers because the "O" looks a lot like a 0 from what I've heard, but maybe someone else could chime in. Either
68 tommy767 : Well that actually makes sense. Did they ever think to use CA instead?
69 IAHFLYR : U.S. registered aircraft do not have tail numbers ending with the letters "I" or "O" for obvious reasons.
70 Post contains images milestones787 : Any chance of an SFO to IAD route during the domestic "break in" period? (My first post after years of observing from afar. Forgive me if this questio
71 United787 : My thoughts exactly... I doubt the two are related.
72 AirframeAS : After watching the YouTube video, it bothers me that the engine nacelles are white. Why is this? All the CO engine nacelles are gray, including on the
73 N766UA : Who cares?! Only on this website could someone take issue with an n-number. It makes no difference to anyone anywhere else in the universe!
74 Post contains images Cubsrule : Didn't UA have 4 digit tail numbers? Look at N404UA (on the left) and N652UA (on the right)
75 AirframeAS : Those are nose numbers, not tail numbers although parts of the nose number is incorporated Into the actual registration.
76 spink : According to chatter on here, you can have any color you want for the nacelles as long as that color is a particular shade of white. Something to do
77 FriendlySkies : The white gap between the gold swoosh and the grey belly bothers me a lot more than that...
78 Post contains images DocLightning : I believe they do this in their 744's, too. At least I recall that E and E+ were in the same section when I flew SFO-SYD in 2008. Will all new delive
79 Boeing12345 : yes that is the S/N of ship 904 which is line number 053. The original CO order was placed with CO's customer code of 24. UA's customer code is 22. I
80 flashmeister : Me too. I was never a fan of the CO-turned-UA livery, but the swoosh makes it worse, IMHO. Highlights an old livery trying its best to look new.
81 Atlflyer : Something tells me the interior will have the same BF and Economy fabric we have seen for years!
82 Post contains images ghifty : But can somebody explain why a UA bird came out with CO reg.? Is it because this particular frame was ordered while CO was still CO, or was it becaus
83 AirframeAS : Maybe because the CO folks are the ones running the new UA now?
84 Post contains links and images flyhossd : CO!? There is no CO! Oh, wait...: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=20904 It does make me wonder when this bird wil
85 PHX787 : Yeah it looks amazing! Glad to see it finally unveiled !
86 Post contains links Atlflyer : Interior will be unveiled Thursday. http://blog.seattlepi.com/airlinerep...their-first-boeing-787-dreamliner/
87 iahcsr : Interesting they chose to work on 904 first. Ships 901-903, 905 are sitting out there too. Wonder if 904 will also be the first delivered?
88 Boeing12345 : Yes 904 will be first one delivered. It happened to be further along in assembly than 901-903 as they required more rework.
89 onebadlt123 : This aircraft, along with all other PMCO ordered aircraft will be under the CO numbering system. Even though the "New United" is "one airline" the op
90 Boeing12345 : Not completely true. The latest 50 900ER's ordered to replace the sUA 757-200's will be operated by sUA pilots.
91 Antoniemey : I have to admit nothing of the sort. Both systems work fine. I don't know, but I'd guess that early in CO's history they had competition for the "CA"
92 tommy767 : I have to say that the 787 is the ugliest in the ex-CO colors. Way too much white.
93 Post contains images Sulley : I've heard that the interior features luxurious, ultra-premium blue-checkered seat covers. [Edited 2012-08-01 11:41:13]
94 AirframeAS : Uhhhh... Here in DEN, I'm a sUA employee in the ramp department. We are ground handling everything, including sCO operations. Everything is one. I wo
95 FriendlySkies : One would seriously hope that they have joint contracts and are truly ONE United by 2017...
96 onebadlt123 : I never said ramp personnel will not touch the flight. We have several contacted handling personnel contacts with PMUA and other different companies.
97 onebadlt123 : This latest order placed for the 50 737-900's was placed under the PMUA contracts. The current 737-900's being delivered NOW are PMCO birds only that
98 RDH3E : The 787 order is years away. But the 739 order you mention begins delivery in 2013 doesn't it?
99 onebadlt123 : Yes, I meant to say a year away.
100 Post contains links and images B6JFKH81 : THAT's too much white? I think JL has them beat when it comes to having too much white on their 787 LOL View Large View MediumPhoto © Dobel
101 flyhossd : It all comes down to personal preference, but I'm in agreement with you here. I'd like to see more color in the old CO scheme, maybe replace the bott
102 timf : I hope for the sake of the merger integration that by the time the newly ordered 737-900ERs are delivered, sUA and sCO are a thing of the past and the
103 Boeing12345 : Not sure what you tried to copy as my quote but this is what I posted: Not completely true. The latest 50 900ER's ordered to replace the sUA 757-200'
104 United1 : Not sure if this was posted before but if you are interested in watching Uniteds' Dreamliner roll out it's now posted on the web. https://hub.united.c
105 Atlflyer : First pics of UA's 787 cabin tweeted via AirlineReporter. https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/airlinereporter Looks extremely boring and same old UA.
106 Post contains images United1 : Looks like the standard exCO interior....new to any PMUA flyer at least Same Y class seats/IFE that are fitted to the 764/763 2-class.
107 tommy767 : Why are some of the users getting excited over a TWENTY YEAR OLD seat pattern?
108 Post contains images United1 : ... because it's only 20 years old to those on the PMCO side of the house...to the rest of is it's brand new
109 FriendlySkies : Well it's good to see the lack of any sort of creativity is still going strong at the NEW United...pretty soon they're going to install recliners and
110 Bralo20 : I'm not sure if it was mentioned yet but this Boeing 787 (and all the following) will be registered as B787-822 thus dropping the Continental customer
111 Post contains images tommy767 : Yes and they'll add back "Elite Access", early 90s patterned china, text ads showing off mundane awards won, and shut down every hub but EWR.
112 STT757 : Agree, the checkers might be a 20 year old design but its held up better over 20 years than DL's light blue seats have over 4 years. And best of all
113 MaverickM11 : Compared to NH/JL it's miles ahead; JL didn't even bother putting lie-flat on their 787.
114 tommy767 : Well I thought UA was supposed to be the worlds "leading airline?" With that fabric, I'd say they are in the lead for 1992. I've never witnessed this
115 STT757 : During the live chat the domestic routings before flying international were once again mentioned, for the first time they mentioned ORD. IAH-ORD?
116 MaverickM11 : You're upset about seat fabric? Seat. Fabric. A.net cares about a lot of things passengers have no interest in but this might be a new high/low
117 Post contains links and images foppishbum : Engadget posted several interior shots a few minutes ago! Engadget
118 drerx7 : I hope so/assume so...I fly this route hella frequently. Looks like a 777 from the inside. I look forward to flying this bird. I honestly don't have
119 Post contains images United1 : Should not be an issue on the 788's seat are made by a different manufacturer. Indeed....it's not like we are complaining about the PMUA lav walpaper
120 Atlflyer : Sadly the PTVs are not the new monitors seen on the 764s and 763s...
121 United1 : No different monitor but same system/content....
122 gigneil : Are the ones on the 767s better, in some way? NS
123 Sulley : Very nice, but boring -- too bad there's nothing earth shattering. Just the same old, same old...
124 Atlflyer : Not even a full dramatic entryway with the galley in the middle of the entry.
125 klkla : I agree but I did notice one little difference which is a small self service bar in BusinessFirst. At least that's something.
126 gigneil : I feel like United, at least pmUA, was always good about setting out self-service items on flights of the duration I expect the 787 will fly. Having a
127 Post contains links usairways16bwi : Looks good....... http://www.gadling.com/photos/united-dreamliner-interior/#5189094 http://www.gadling.com/photos/united-dreamliner-exterior-0/
128 virginblue4 : By far this is my favourite livery on the 787 so far!
129 STT757 : That cockpit is awesome!
130 Post contains images LH422 : Boy, what a nice plane.
131 PITingres : Naw, I can sort of kind of maybe understand arguing over seat fabric. Arguing about registration numbers? Now THAT'S some serious a.nutter craziness.
132 United787 : Not a big deal but it is part of the overall brand image and it looks dated. Bringing in a new airplane type is typically a good time to rethink and
133 tommy767 : Yeah I actually didn't start that one. I said it didn't both me, just questioned as to why "CA" was never at the end of the registration titles. Well
134 drerx7 : Well...it could be that the opinion that it looks dated is of the minority...and as such it was deemed something that doesn't need addressing. I pers
135 RDH3E : No matter if you have a 17" seat or a 20" seat, I consider myself to be quite fit and my problem has never been overweight people "spilling over the
136 FI642 : When the 787 was in DC, it was amazing to see that cockpit!
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