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Official: Allegiant Buying Airbus A319s  
User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20334 times:

Speculation can be put to bed -- it's true! Allegiant is buying Airbus A319s (used, of course). News was posted on the investor relations website:

http://ir.allegiantair.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=696301

Quote:
LAS VEGAS, July 30, 2012 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Allegiant Travel Company (Nasdaq:ALGT) today announced its intention to lease nine Airbus A319 aircraft from GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS) and to lease and eventually purchase ten Airbus A319 aircraft from Cebu Pacific Air. The introduction of the A319 aircraft will support Allegiant's growth opportunities.

A photo accompanying this release is available at http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/prs/?pkgid=13833

"The A319 is a new aircraft type for Allegiant, but we otherwise see this as a continuation of our existing business model," said Andrew C. Levy, Allegiant President. "A319 asset values have significantly declined and now mirror the environment we saw when we first began buying MD-80s."

Allegiant plans to have the first two of these aircraft in operation in the second quarter of 2013.


EDIT: AAY has also posted a presentation here: http://ir.allegiantair.com/common/do...t%20Presentation%20-Jul%202012.pdf

[Edited 2012-07-29 22:07:09]


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16951 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20356 times:

Quoting mrskyguy (Thread starter):
"A319 asset values have significantly declined and now mirror the environment we saw when we first began buying MD-80s."

Sounds like a dubious honor for the 319 



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20332 times:

I wonder where these aircraft will fly? Will we see them at MYR? They seem to make more sense than the MD-80s on routes such as MYR-HTS and MYR-FWA.

User currently offlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20214 times:

Can't wait to see the final product.

IIRC these will be the first double over wing emergency exit in the USA too!  



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9379 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20210 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):

I wonder where these aircraft will fly? Will we see them at MYR? They seem to make more sense than the MD-80s on routes such as MYR-HTS and MYR-FWA.


The a319 will likely have lower capacity but Aldo the ability to open ip new longer transcontinental routes.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 20138 times:

Conference call at noon ET Monday. We should get some additional details then.

[Edited 2012-07-29 21:33:06]


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User currently offlinebomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 20038 times:

Where will G4 be getting these frames from? What carriers were they coming from?

Peace   



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User currently offlinemark8762 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 20030 times:

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 6):



Where will G4 be getting these frames from? What carriers were they coming from

9 will be leased from GE Capital and 10 purchased from Cebu Pacific


User currently offlinemark8762 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 20036 times:

This is from an e-mail that went out to G4 employees on Sunday night:




ALLEGIANT TO INTRODUCE AIRBUS A319 INTO FLEET

Las Vegas – 29 July 2012 – Allegiant Travel Company (NASDAQ: ALGT) today announced its intention to lease nine Airbus A319 aircraft from GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS) and to lease and eventually purchase ten Airbus A319 aircraft from Cebu Pacific Air. The introduction of the A319 aircraft will support Allegiant’s growth opportunities.

“The A319 is a new aircraft type for Allegiant, but we otherwise see this as a continuation of our existing business model,” said Andrew C. Levy, Allegiant President. “A319 asset values have significantly declined and now mirror the environment we saw when we first began buying MD-80s.”

Allegiant plans to have the first two of these aircraft in operation in the second quarter of 2013.

Allegiant currently operates 58 MD-80 aircraft, four Boeing 757-200 aircraft and owns an additional two Boeing 757-200 aircraft.


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19979 times:
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Sadly there have been 3 A-319's scrapped----with two of these bulit in 2002. GECAS is the culprit here scrapping these and other new a/c too soon rather than being patient and waiting for the buyers to come forth as Allegiant did----- The 319 is an excellent state-of-the-art aircraft and GECAS missed the boat (again) by thinking scrapping new a/c is the way to go.........trust me as low as Allegiant got these used a/c for, they paid a higher price than what their owners could have gotten for their parts.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19929 times:

Allegiant's current business model has been based on low fleet utilization. The planes are cheap to own, but expensive to fly, so they own a lot of them and fly them relatively little (average fleet utilization of 6 hours I read somewhere on this forum, I think?).

I wonder if their model will change with the A319 aboard.


User currently onlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19894 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 9):
Sadly there have been 3 A-319's scrapped----with two of these bulit in 2002.

Do you know which specific airframes these were and where they were scrapped?



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19882 times:

Allegiant loaded the PPT presentation for the conference call already.

A few details in the presentation:
* The 9 from GE were previously with easyJet.
* The 19 aircraft will range in age from 7-10 years at delivery
* 156 seats (MDs are being refitted to 166 seats)
* Incremental estimated net income per aircraft per year is $1 million
* NO expectation of increasing aircraft utilization
* Estimate 25% lower fuel cost per block hour vs. MDs
* Estimate 40% lower maintenance cost per block hour vs. MDs
* Estimate 102% higher ownership cost per month vs. MDs
* Projected per passenger costs of $96 on A319s vs. $106 on MDs
* Range provides opportunity for longer routes
* Evaluating additional transactions beyond these 19 aircraft as an estimated 350+ aircraft will be on the market in the next 24 months
* Growth aircraft - no plans to retire any MDs except for the 2 MD87s
* 9 A319s in service by end of 2013; 14 by end of 2014; 19 by end of 2015
* Also indicate potential to add more 757s in 2013 to 2015 beyond the current 6 aircraft

More info at:
http://files.shareholder.com/downloa...t%20Presentation%20-Jul%202012.pdf

[Edited 2012-07-29 22:07:43]


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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19753 times:
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Quoting zkojq (Reply 11):
Do you know which specific airframes these were and where they were scrapped?

line #588 was scrapped at Kemble and lines #1729 and #1768 were scrapped at Greenwood,Mississippi


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19751 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
* NO expectation of increasing aircraft utilization

Interesting.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19734 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):* NO expectation of increasing aircraft utilization
Interesting.

They apparently anticipated that would be a big question by analysts. In the presentation it is top of page 4 in all capital letters and bolded to emphasize it.

The exact wording is "NO ASSUMPTION OF INCREASED FLEET UTILIZATION".



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24328 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19501 times:

Well so those rumors were correct after all ha...  

A bit odd choice on the 319 however. Seems most of the worlds LCC are opting for the larger A320 to get benefit of the lower CASM. Was even mentioned on the Spirit conference call last week.

I guess the numbers penciled out better for the 319 for G4.


Here is press release photo:



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 513 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19378 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):

Which means the 320 will have more demand from the airlines meaning higher acquisition costs.



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19331 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
A bit odd choice on the 319 however. Seems most of the worlds LCC are opting for the larger A320 to get benefit of the lower CASM.

Not just the LCCs. DL's CEO has said, I believe, that it's hard to make the numbers work for their 319s.

However, that's the point: if GE was scrapping them because they're so hard-to-place, then that opens up the market for folks like Allegiant who can pay cash but are only interested if the price is great. Here, obviously not as great as the MD88, but they are calculating that it pencils out when you take into account the lower maintenance and fuel costs per hour.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19185 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 18):
like Allegiant who can pay cash

Interestingly, Allegiant says in the presentation they will lease instead of buying these aircraft outright for cash.

The 9 from GE will be on 96 month operating leases, the 10 from Cebu will be on 60 month capital leases.

EDIT - Allegiant says in the presentation that the falling aircraft price has created a reluctance by owners to sell since that means the owner may have a large book loss. So they say the current best move is to lease but expect in the future there will be buying opportunities.

[Edited 2012-07-29 23:37:32]


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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19162 times:

As of Satuarday, ln 588 (I-EEZQ) was in poor condition, (engines, tail etc gone) but not yet scrapped.

User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 351 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19045 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 9):
Sadly there have been 3 A-319's scrapped

GECAS probably got more money for the individual parts than for the whole aircraft or in reaturn to leasing the frame...


User currently onlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18905 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 13):
line #588 was scrapped at Kemble and lines #1729 and #1768 were scrapped at Greenwood,Mississippi

Interesting, thanks for sharing. By compariston, I believe only two Boeing 737-700s have been parted out (both ex easyjet).

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 20):
As of Satuarday, ln 588 (I-EEZQ) was in poor condition, (engines, tail etc gone) but not yet scrapped.

There are some photos of it on flickr.



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18865 times:

No, there are 3 U2 B737-73V scrapped already, (G-EZKC/D/G).

User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18409 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
* The 9 from GE were previously with easyJet.

Any word on which easyJet aircraft are heading to Allegiant? I see 8 of their easyJet Switzerland aircraft are leased from CAT, which is a subsidiary of GECAS I believe?

HB-JZJ 04 October 2004
HB-JZK 04 November 2004
HB-JZN 07 February 2005
HB-JZO 23 February 2005
HB-JZT 18 March 2005
HB-JZP 23 March 2005
HB-JZQ 21 April 2005
HB-JZS 11 April 2007

The easyJet sister ships will be 8–10 years old at delivery and are due...

1 Q4 2012 Q2 2013 (Oct-Dec)
1 Q1 2013 Q2 2013 (Jan-Mar)
1 Q3 2014 Q4 2014 (Jul-Sep)
1 Q4 2014 Q1 2015 (Oct-Dec)
1 Q1 2015 Q2 2015 (Jan-Mar)
4 Q2 2015 Q3 2015 (Apr-Jun)


25 freakyrat : Spiritair97 said "I wonder where these aircraft will fly? Will we see them at MYR? They seem to make more sense than the MD-80s on routes such as MYR-
26 gilesdavies : I knew they would like the easyJet option... There aircraft have two over wing exits on each side and allow them to accommodate an extra row of seats,
27 stlgph : Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Allentown, Greensboro, Knoxville, Greenville, Plattsburgh, Niagara Falls to Las Vegas.
28 KarlB737 : Someone refresh our memory on the range of the A319 then let the route speculation begin.
29 nkops : Did I read that right?? 156 seats on the A319.... that has to be a bit tight
30 vfw614 : No, Germanwings, for example, has them as well. However, the additional 6 seats require an additional F/A, so not a smart move (IIRC, both easyjet an
31 sunking737 : 3,600 n.m. per airbus vs 1,800 MD 80. Look for more long range flying, W.C. to SFB, E.C. TO LAS/LAX/AZA.
32 FlyPNS1 : If you cram 156 seats into an A319, you've basically got A320 capacity for A319 prices!!
33 YNGguins : I think this will open up service out West to Las Vegas for many eastern cities, i.e. ABE and YNG to name a few. Two airports that have actively been
34 Post contains images ghifty : I've flown with U2 on their A319 a few times.. same seat count (156). Honestly, it's not that bad for short sectors 1-2hrs. I'm 5'10".. Livery looks
35 gilesdavies : I am sure someone will correct me, but I am sure I have read on here before that the early easyJet deliveries of the A319, have the centre fuel tank
36 zkojq : Air Berlin, Germania, Vueling and Hamburg Airways also operate Airbus A319s with double over-wing exits. Additionally Rusline and Brussels Airlines,
37 lightsaber : I wonder what has happened to A319 resale values. Anyone have a chart? GECAS is a business. If the plane is worth more as parts, it should become par
38 AWACSooner : Ugh...let's see...they now charge for carry-ons...they fly to remote airports that aren't served by anyone else...and they're buying A319's. Why don't
39 Post contains images LostSound : Can't wait to see these birds in Allegiant colours! Actually, a few of SkyBus' A319s were in the double over wing exit format.
40 Aesma : Do you think/know the 737-700 is doing better ? We saw with the A318 and 737-600 that both were the same failure for the same reason.
41 spiritair97 : So I guess he meant that it will be the first LASTING US Airline that operates the type.
42 CRJ900 : Cebu Pacific has 156 seats in their A319s, according to their website. Do y'all think Allegiant will remove 6 seats so that they can fly these birds w
43 wjcandee : You left out, "and make money and don't have to declare bankruptcy to screw their employees out of their pensions".
44 timf : The presentation indicated they would have 156 seats, so I wouldn't expect them to be removing any seats.
45 bmibaby737 : Not sure where you got that from? easyJet is still flying as Y156
46 FWAERJ : Or the return of FWA-LAS or TOL-LAS, for that matter.
47 iowaman : I'm sure Allegiant will be using the newer, slightly thinner seats to help combat seat pitch issues, but none the less it will be tight. What I'm mor
48 stlgph : But when it's there, it's there. 6 seats + their average ancillary revenue ... that's $198 a flight. If the plane does 2 flights a day that's $396. F
49 Aesma : Isn't yield management a factor ? The last few seats on a LCC in Europe (or on a full service carrier) are hundreds of euros more than the cheapest se
50 Post contains images lightsaber : The implications of this Allegiant purchase are staggering. They will now be able to purchase opportunistically A32X family aircraft as the resale val
51 Post contains links FWAERJ : Skybus used early Recaro versions of the slightly thinner seats on 156-seat A319s, and it was very tight on my flight with them from CMH-SWF. If it w
52 Stitch : The 737-700 is doing a bit better, which matches historical trends. On average, a 737-700LGW with winglets is worth about $1.5 million more than an A
53 Pe@rson : Most LCCs in Europe and Asia use the 320 with 180 seats, the maximum, with various new operators taking it. This seating configuration is close to th
54 lightsaber : Only if the plane becomes too small to block enough seats. I do not see 150 to 156 seats significantly changing the yield management on an A319. Ques
55 mrskyguy : Depends on configuration, engine times, and a myriad of other factors.. I've seen them above and below $10M USD (old jets) and far above $20M for new
56 boeing773ER : Ah, I love that idea of ABE-LAS flights. Recently flying on G4 out of ABE on MYR-ABE they sold every single seat on the flight going to MYR, on the w
57 Stitch : A 2001 delivery is worth about $18 million and a 2004 $22 million.
58 AWACSooner : Like WN, who doesn't nickel and dime you to death like these two airlines do?
59 stlgph : Heck they could fly that now with their current fleet. And perhaps they might, all I can say is that there are a lot of press releases in the works.
60 lightsaber : Thank you. A little better resale than I thought. That makes the G4 strategy shift even more interesting for 4 to 5 hours of utilization per day. It
61 stlgph : While I wouldn't be surprised to see these planes do 2 turns a day, if they're flying LAS to other cities with longer state lengths, you're looking a
62 n471wn : Agree that three 737-700's have been formally scrapped: 32424---2004 build 32425---2004 build 32428---2004 build But three are derelict and being par
63 FATFlyer : Those would be the prices purchasing today. But G4 is taking half of these on 96 month operating leases and the rest on 60 month capital leases. They
64 beechtobus : "Like WN, who doesn't nickel and dime you to death like these two airlines do?" Yeah, WN doesn't nickel and dime, They just charge you all up front f
65 MLI717fan : BLI-SFB is 2577mi, would these A-319s have the legs to make that work with 156 seats? The range listed for a normal A-319 is 3600mi.
66 srbmod : One thing to think about is that within the next 3-5 years, the market value for A319s as well as A320s and A321s, as well as 737NG a/c will start to
67 Viscount724 : The FAA maximum for US-registered A320s is 179.
68 Coronado : I also think Allegiant just pushed down the market pricing on MD-80's another 30% by indicating a willingness to take on another aircraft model. The c
69 rbgso : Flying 5+ hours in that density would be brutal, but that's just my opinion. Hope it works out for G4.
70 vfw614 : It does not make a big difference if you sell the last few seats in a 150 or 156 seater.
71 Aesma : It's just that there were mentions of 30$ for the last seats that really clashed with what the real price is, but in reality it makes sense since 6 mo
72 AeroWesty : Check the link in Reply #51. If these seats go into the A319s too, there's no seat cushion to pull off. The padding is an integral part of the seat c
73 FWAERJ : In the non-aviation world, there are some products like that, too. Herman Miller's Embody office chair acts in a similar fashion to the Timco seats (
74 MLI717fan : I flew them MLI-SFB and the first plane I was on had new seats with the pockets above the tray table. I was shocked at how much leg room I had. I'm a
75 kcrwflyer : Why? With all of the grief I see given over Spirit's 145 seat A319, I want to see some real seat pitch-related injuries posted on here once G4 gets t
76 Post contains links and images lightsaber : But that is one day. The 4 to 5 hours of utilization is averaged. G4 parks their aircraft on slow days and there are *zero* rotations. That is part o
77 ACdreamliner : The extra row of seats gives you 3 benefits. 1) More seats 2) An extra row of 'extra leg room' seats to sell at a profit if wanted 3) The 4th crew mem
78 FATFlyer : Isn't the 145 count to allow for the Big Front Seat? EasyJet's seat pitch on these aircraft was listed as 29 inches, vs. the 28 inches Spirit has lis
79 DunaA320 : The newer ones tend to do the longer runs purely for this reason. Its not uncommon for a 319 to crop up on a LGW-Greek Island/PFO/SSH from time to ti
80 FWAERJ : NK's A319s only have 2 overwing exits, not 4, limiting the plane to under 150 seats per FAA rules. The Big Front Seats allow for NK to pack almost as
81 bennett123 : n471wn Thanks for that info. I meant just at Kemble.
82 FATFlyer : Thanks, with no NK service at FAT yet I haven't been on any of their aircraft. Still means the pitch for G4 is 29 inches on these aircraft vs. NK's 2
83 stlgph : the 319's will be seeing more than 5 hours a day of use.
84 bobloblaw : I would bet longer haul routes the M80s cant fly. Like east coast to LAS and west coast to SFB.
85 GSPSPOT : Wonder if this will enable G4 to revisit LAS-East Coast markets (PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!)?
86 OB1504 : I believe Spirit will be retiring its A319 fleet with the arrival of the A320neo, so I wouldn't be surprised to see these airplanes go to Allegiant,
87 FI642 : it will be interesting to see what new markets they open. It will be interesting to see what they do!
88 mrskyguy : I'm going to bet that AAY will certainly poke at new markets with their MD-80s, but that the A319s will be used to replace lots of jets on the money-m
89 Lono : I'll throw this out there.... What about ANC service? I think there is a market for G4 in Alaska. Just thinking about all the crammed flights I have b
90 DocLightning : Yes, but Allegiant seems to trade low ownership costs for a higher CASM and it works well for them. However, they said that the ownership costs are 1
91 Post contains images lightsaber : That was my question. Oh well, one cost cutting move idea out the window... Rephrase: Allegriant goes for low ownership costs in order to be competit
92 strfyr51 : Ths A319 Depeding on the weight variant has a 3700nmi Range, whats Transcon + and Denver Hawaii as well.
93 hatbutton : Just to clarify, in 2011 their average utilization was 6 hours per day. Not that it makes that much of a difference, but still more than 4-5. But I'm
94 wjcandee : WN has never made a cogent presentation based on real numbers that would indicate that it isn't losing revenue by not imposing bag fees. All its theo
95 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Then six. Or 7. I still do not see Allegiant flying 11 hours a day a la B6. Thank you for the correction. FWIW, I will preferentially fly airlines wi
96 SurfandSnow : I wonder if these A319s will be the tools used to support international expansion? I could certainly see some MD-80s used for simple transborder stuff
97 XT6Wagon : Makes sense to me, If you buy new the A320 size is far better since it provides far better operating economics for the same or better capital costs (
98 RWA380 : Out of curiosity how many seats on NK's 319's they are using out here in the West? Sounds like most people are speculating almost trans con flights h
99 nkops : 145 seats on NK 319's including the 2 or 3 rows of Big Front Seat.
100 RWA380 : Thanks, I'm flying with NK on 9/11, and since I'm a first time NK'er, any information is appreciated. Any other tips or thoughts you have ,that could
101 brains : You can buy the seats at spirit.com now or you can take your chances and try for an upgrade on the plane. The price of the upgrade is dependent on fl
102 Post contains links sirtoby : The company presentation makes a comparison between the MD-80 and the A319 based on 8.9hrs a day. Maybe they will utilise the A319 more to spread the
103 stlgph : Problem with this presentation is the blogger assumes Allegiant will be flying the planes on current runs. Allegiant starts flying Las Vegas to Allen
104 sirtoby : Sure - but as Allegiant based their cost comparison on 8.9hrs per day the leasing rate should in fact be somewhere in that range. If you utilize your
105 stlgph : What I'd like to see in say spring 2014, is how longer stage lengths of their flights raise the ancillary average per passenger.
106 RWA380 : Would any of these 319's have the range or equipment needed to allow flying Mainland-Hawaii flights off the West Coast?
107 Post contains images lightsaber : Interesting. Far higher than I was projecting. That implies the MD-80s will be parked more. Wise... With that short pitch, I'd need a beer. Very unli
108 Post contains links FATFlyer : A quote that caught my eye, looks like some of our speculation about the future is correct: "Allegiant President Andrew Levy says it is “extremely u
109 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Related question: How much is the life extension of the A32X playing into G4's decision? 178 seats... I think they'll just wait 'for the right price.'
110 planemaker : They said that only 2 would be parked and had no plans to park any more. Of course, the wild card is the direction of oil prices. Refined products de
111 FATFlyer : I previously mentioned they were seeing reluctance by owners to sell because of having to book a loss upthread at post #19. Also mentioned the lease
112 Post contains images lightsaber : Oops. The issue of longer threads. I have no problem giving credit where it is due. When the leases expire, the depreciated value will be low enough
113 FATFlyer : The 5 year leases are captial leases with Allegiant taking ownership at the end of the contracts. The terms on those would be interesting to know.
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