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FX To Start MD10 Service To ROC  
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Actually they started yesterday. It was really nice to see a heavy 3 holer here! I have never seen a DC-10 here in the 40 years I have been here. I spoke with someone and they said it was here for training and it would be coming in 2 or 3 days a week. Nice to see some variety other than the A300!


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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4133 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Sounds like what they did here at Manchester, NH many years ago. Our station migrated from 727s to the A310, then to the A300, and now to the MD-10. The only A300 is an Indianapolis-Manchester-Hartford (3719) run during weekdays.

Our MD-10s come through twice a day from Memphis, as I'm sure yours will.

Our lift is needed for two main reasons. First, much of northern New England's freight is fed to and from MHT using Caravans. Only PWM has its own flight. So MHT is a mini hub of sorts. Second, FedEx has the USPS contract, so mail consumes a fair bit of the capacity. But that contract is at risk, so it will be interesting to see whether UPS wrests that away from them next year.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

Our station started out with a 727-100,then a -200. Around 2000 we got the A310 (our first regular heavy) then the A300. We've been getthing the A300 for probably 5-7 years with a 727 added around Christmas. I'm excited to see the MD-10 (and get some nice pics)! I thought we'de see a 757 before a -10,though.


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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4133 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

I think the containers carried by the A300 and the MD-10 are interchangeable, although not sure. So it would make sense to go from the A300 to the MD-10 since your ramp has all of the same-sized containers. Going to a 757 means a whole sea-change of containers.

In my recollection we have had one MD-11 substitution here...ever.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 3):
I think the containers carried by the A300 and the MD-10 are interchangeable



I was wondering if the MD-10 carries more freight than the A300? Does ROC have a real need for the -10 or are the A300's being deployed elsewhere?

I know that seeing a FX MD10 is not a big deal for people who live in bigger cities,but seeing it here is a thrill (lame,I know). I wonder what was the last year ROC saw a DC-10? I know AA used them in the early 70's from LGA. We got a WO MD11 last July operating a troop charter,and a Kalita L1011 back in Christmas '97. Just nice to see the heavy metal instead of the endless CR2/Dash 8's and E145's.

[Edited 2012-07-30 11:25:59]


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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4133 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5297 times:

Here are some 'capacity' figures directly from a FedEx document. These numbers are defined by them as 'Maximum Operational Revenue Payload:'

(in ascending order)

727-200...38,200
757...........45,800
A310........61,900
A300........85,600
MD-10......113,100

Interestingly, their 777s have a stated capacity of 112,000, but of course it is the range they care about most.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4075 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 3):
I think the containers carried by the A300 and the MD-10 are interchangeable, although not sure. So it would make sense to go from the A300 to the MD-10 since your ramp has all of the same-sized containers. Going to a 757 means a whole sea-change of containers.

They are interchangeable, for now. However, the MD10 and Airbus are configured to take the same containers as the 727/757 if need be. There are multiple lock rows on the plane for any configuration necessary.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 4):
I was wondering if the MD-10 carries more freight than the A300? Does ROC have a real need for the -10 or are the A300's being deployed elsewhere?

The MD10 can carry MUCH more freight than the A300. The company is undergoing a serious audit of routes and system right now, I would not be surprised to see aircraft types moving around.

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 5):
Interestingly, their 777s have a stated capacity of 112,000, but of course it is the range they care about most.

Strange, as the usable volume of the 777 is vastly more than the MD10 - it can carry something like eight more AMJ containers topside than the MD10 can.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
The company is undergoing a serious audit of routes and system right now, I would not be surprised to see aircraft types moving around.

Thanks,I imagine they would not bring it here and train staff if it wasn't going to stick around . Looking forward to taking many pix of the -10's before they're gone.



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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4133 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

You have to be nimble if you want photographs; once we get into the fall/winter, these birds come and go before the sun comes up and after it goes down.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5160 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 8):
You have to be nimble if you want photographs; once we get into the fall/winter, these birds come and go before the sun comes up and after it goes down.

True , flight 957 comes in around 18:45 hours.



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User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

I think the last time ROC saw a large heavy was when the USAF did some touch-n-go's with C5's back in the mid 90's.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 10):
I think the last time ROC saw a large heavy was when the USAF did some touch-n-go's with C5's back in the mid 90's.

Well,we did get Air Force One (747) in '05 and '06.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 1):

PVD gets a daily 757 as well.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5845 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Can the DC10 really be labelled MD10? what about the DC9 and 8 then?

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 13):

Yes, it can be labeled an MD10. Certain mods were made to the aircraft, which made it an MD10.


User currently offlinespartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 13):
Can the DC10 really be labelled MD10? what about the DC9 and 8 then?

The MD-10 is a DC-10 that underwent a series of modifications including upgrades of the cockpit to MD-11 common flight deck (common aircraft type) and the ability to eliminate the flight engineer's position.



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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4133 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 15):
The MD-10 is a DC-10 that underwent a series of modifications including upgrades of the cockpit to MD-11 common flight deck (common aircraft type) and the ability to eliminate the flight engineer's position.

Right. It's my understanding that there's no outward distinction to the 'MD-10.' The changes are all 'indoors.'

Indeed, FlightAware started to show the FedEx 'MD-10' designation before reverting back to the DC-10 label.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

So,I guess ROC needs MD-10 capacity,as BUF has an A310 and SYR has an A300. Kind of surprising,I figured we would be down graded to a 757. But that's just the pecimist in me.

[Edited 2012-07-31 08:07:15]


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User currently offlineflyBTV From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4558 times:
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Quoting chrisnh (Reply 1):
Our lift is needed for two main reasons. First, much of northern New England's freight is fed to and from MHT using Caravans. Only PWM has its own flight. So MHT is a mini hub of sorts.

Just a small correction - in addition to PWM, BTV also has it's own flight - a 727 that travels EWR-SYR-BTV most days of the week but occasionally flies via PWM. FX feeds the smaller airports in VT (like RUT) from Albany using Caravans.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Also, ACK and MVY are fed through PVD with the caravans, as well as an occasional Caravan to EWR.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Glad to hear my home airport is getting an MD-10 at last! I'll try to get pictures when I'm there, too. The market must be good, despite Kodak's difficulties.

During one of my trips last year, a KC-10 was doing low passes at ROC. Unfortunately I only could get one picture of a plane pulling away, not close by.

Jim



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4075 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 7):
Thanks,I imagine they would not bring it here and train staff if it wasn't going to stick around . Looking forward to taking many pix of the -10's before they're gone.

Well, not necessarily....while I sense this may be a more permanent move, FX has been known to train certain ramps on an aircraft "just in case." Last year, they brought an Airbus into MSP, which does not get an Airbus except in rare cases of substitution, just so the crew could be trained on it for such an occasion. It cost a pretty penny to take a plane out of service for the training, and the ramp only saw two or three of the type in the entire subsequent year. It was necessary - the flying spare for the upper midwest region is an A300 out of ATW.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 17):
So,I guess ROC needs MD-10 capacity,as BUF has an A310 and SYR has an A300. Kind of surprising,I figured we would be down graded to a 757. But that's just the pecimist in me.

There is room for pessimism here, if you are looking for the cloud behind the silver lining. It's quite possible that FX could decide to downgrade SYR to A310 and send that extra freight to ROC instead, to be trucked from ROC to SYR. Those are the types of changes FX is looking at right now and which could be a reason to upgrade a flight to ROC. Personally I think it's just FX deciding that ROC will be responsible for a larger area encroaching on BUF, and ROC is more centrally located than BUF to the western New York markets.

However, by looking at a map of New York, ROC seems to be in the most expendable location, and by seeing an upgrade of equipment, that tells me the state of New York is safe from any threat of ramp closure.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

BUF is closer to ROC than SYR. Let's hope it's a mix of A300/MD-10. The A300 was coming in as I went to work this AM.


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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4133 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

I think the 'flying spare' ('sweep flight') for New England is Portland's 757, which I would imagine goes out less-than-full just so it has the capacity to drop into an airport and pick up stranded freight.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 20):
Glad to hear my home airport is getting an MD-10 at last! I'll try to get pictures when I'm there, too. The market must be good, despite Kodak's difficulties.

She looked sweet with that #2 engine towering up as yiou drive on Scottsville Road.Looks like it's going to do the usual 967 flight this evening.



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25 chrisnh : Looking ahead at the schedules, ROC's gain may be MHT's pain. I see that our morning MEM-MHT-MEM flight is an MD-10 but our evening one seems to be an
26 chrisnh : It appears as though that's what is happening: MHT has lost one of its two daily MD-10s to ROC. Using their 'jumpseat finder' web page, I can see seve
27 spartanmjf : The easy giveaway for me is not winglets, size of control surfaces, landing gear, etc. From a distance, the cowl of #2 on the MD-11 looks like that o
28 chrisnh : Yes, the MD-11 is an easy spot thanks to the squared-off tail-cone (a la the 777).
29 MJBATC12 : Would be great if BDL got a MD10 again. We had it for a very short time, only a few months from MEM-BDL-MEM, then they dropped it back again. I think
30 DCA-ROCguy : Sorry you guys are losing one! At least you still have an MD-10, and the second flight is still a jumbo. For ROC, our first scheduled 3-hole jumbo si
31 HPRamper : They are -30s and -10s. FX actually operates more MD10-10 than they do MD10-30. You guys up in the Northeast may be in the right size of markets to s
32 spartanmjf : I didn't know that - thanks! Thats kind of interesting - aren't the -10's generally earlier builds?
33 HPRamper : Generally speaking, yes, and the 30 can also carry more weight, although not more volume.
34 United_fan : I figured it was early 70's , when AA brought them in . I went to see it take off last night,and those GE CF6's sounded swweeetttt! Rotated around 6,
35 Post contains links and images United_fan : Looks like its going to be 3 evenings a week . The AM flights are still the A300. I imagine the afternoon flight brings 2 day freight and the US Mail.
36 HPRamper : You got it.
37 DCA-ROCguy : Great photo! Good to see the three-holer back in town!
38 United_fan : It comes in Tues,Wed and Thursday around 6:45. Flight # 957.
39 chrisnh : MHT is a mirror image of ROC. Your evening switched from A300 to MD-10; ours went the other way. Our AM flight is an MD-10. The weekday A300 from IND
40 United_fan : I hope FX keeps the mail contract . We don't get 5X in ROC,all comes from BUF.
41 Post contains links chrisnh : The current contract runs through September 2013, so 13 months away. Here's an article on the subject: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...tial-lo
42 United_fan : Like I said ,I hope we keep the -10 . It's kinda neat to have a scheduled heavy 3-holer in almost 40 years.
43 Post contains images chrisnh : Here's N559FE at MHT yesterday morning, crossing the bridge to Runway 6 on her way back to MEM [Edited 2012-08-17 14:52:20]
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