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First UA DEN Q400 Flight: 8/1  
User currently offlineChicagoJetSet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 18376 times:

According to United, the Republic Q400 flying commences on Wednesday with service from DEN to cities including DRO, MCI, RAP, MTJ, and COS. Glad to see the Q come to Denver!   

[Edited 2012-07-30 21:12:51]

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 18329 times:

N507LX has been repainted in the UAX colors. Saw it today at work, it looks great! It is/was sitting at gate A62 or A64 in DEN. I did not have time to go see it, but I hear the seats are in the blue leather and not in the green it used to have.


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User currently offlineChicagoJetSet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 18169 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):

Awesome! I'm sure we'll see more and more of them popping up at the end of Concourse B in the next few weeks.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 18045 times:

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Reply 2):

By the way, welcome to A.net!



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User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17859 times:

Think those will do well at mile high Denver....more seats and almost as quick as the rj's they are replacing. Be interesting to see their performance in winter in ski country....could be good!

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17817 times:

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Thread starter):
According to United, the Republic Q400 flying commences on Wednesday

Very exciting to see all of the [remaining] Colgan and Lynx Q400s finding a new role in this operation. Will all 32 of the Q400s be based at DEN, or will they be operated from other UA hubs as well? This seems to be the perfect aircraft for the higher density short hops out of any and all major hubs. Examples include:

All routes previously flown by the Q400 out of EWR, IAD, and IAH, and/or new Q400 routes out of ORD, LAX, or SFO like

ORD-CVG
ORD-DSM
ORD-DTW
ORD-GRR
ORD-IND
ORD-STL

LAX-SMF
LAX-PHX
LAX-SLC
LAX-TUS

SFO-BOI
SFO-BUR
SFO-PSP
SFO-RNO

On many such routes, the Q400 would be much more efficient than the RJs and in some cases mainline aircraft currently flying on them. I guess it all depends on where it may be feasible to establish cost effective, yet sustainable YX bases for the aircraft and its crews...

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Thread starter):
service from DEN to cities including DRO, MCI, RAP, MTJ, and COS. Glad to see the Q come to Denver!

LOL, these Q400 sound strangely familiar, don't they? In addition to DEN-DRO/MCI/RAP/MTJ/COS, I bet we may see these birds on DEN-ABQ/ASE/BIL/BOI/BZN/EGE/FSD/HDN/ICT/JAC/OKC/OMA/SLC/TUL as well. Perhaps we'll even see them on DEN-AMA/BIS/CID/DSM/ELP/FAR/GPI/GTF/GUC/HLN/LBB/LNK/MAF/MSO/RNO/TUS/XNA too, depending on how many of them end up being based in DEN.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17668 times:

There are many sub 500 mile routes from DEN that make a lot of sense for the Q400, freeing up CR-7s and ERJ-170s for 1,000+ mile routes.


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User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 17465 times:

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 4):
Be interesting to see their performance in winter in ski country....could be good!

QX flies year-round to MMH (and seasonally to SUN). They seem to do pretty well with it.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17323 times:
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Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Thread starter):
According to United, the Republic Q400 flying commences on Wednesday with service from DEN to cities including DRO, MCI, RAP, MTJ, and COS. Glad to see the Q come to Denver!

I'm surprised RAP (Air Force) got Q service and not ELP (Army) considering we always end up boarding side-by-side.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17309 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 8):

I'm surprised RAP (Air Force) got Q service and not ELP (Army) considering we always end up boarding side-by-side.

They try to keep the Q400s on routes under 500 miles, that's the sweet spot for the Q400s where they are competitive with the RJs in time. DEN-ELP is 564 miles while DEN-RAP is 300 miles.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17283 times:
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Question: Will any of the Q400s have the long-rumored F seats in the front of the cabin?

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17248 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
DEN-ELP is 564 miles while DEN-RAP is 300 miles.

Ah, I see.

Plus DEN-ELP-IAH-ELP-DEN and the vice-versa is probably better equipment utilization.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17249 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):

507LX doesn't have them.



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User currently offlineChicagoJetSet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17126 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):

Thanks!

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):

I've been wondering the same thing. I personally think on such short routes that the Q will be flying, FC isn't necessary. Economy and Economy Plus would work fine just on their own.


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17100 times:

I truly hope the Q's are used successfully out of DEN if no other reason that I like seeing them. However, F9 also tried them here and they just didn't take in the marketplace. I suppose that UA's broader customer base will give them a substantial leg up.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17047 times:

I really hope they stay over here at EWR and IAD. I'm planning a trip to NY from MYR and am looking at UA just to fly the Q400. Hopefully I'll still get the chance to! Plus, I'll miss seing them coming in from IAD at PVD.

User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17007 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):

507LX doesn't have them.

Hey Airframe, do you know if that's just temporary or a change in strategy? I know when Bryan announced the flying, he mentioned that they would contain a premium cabin in addition to Y+/Y.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16964 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 16):

It may be Y+/Y in there, not sure. But I have only seen freshly taken pics, that's it. I did not get a chance to go over myself and look yesterday. I got stuck at B20 with two consecutive delayed flights which was exhausting!



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16943 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
There are many sub 500 mile routes from DEN that make a lot of sense for the Q400, freeing up CR-7s and ERJ-170s for 1,000+ mile routes.

70 seat RJs are extremely inefficient on 1000 mile plus routes. The CASM bottoms out around 750-900 miles, RASM continues to fall. Airlines should use DH4-800s to park 50 seat RJs.

Quoting ChicagoJetSet (Thread starter):
According to United, the Republic Q400 flying commences on Wednesday with service from DEN to cities including DRO, MCI, RAP, MTJ, and COS. Glad to see the Q come to Denver!

MCI surprises me.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16921 times:

These planes are perfect for DEN ops

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 15):

That's a long one. Over 1 hour and 40 minutes in duration. Wouldn't want to be stuck on a prop that long.



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User currently offlinetan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16866 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 19):
That's a long one. Over 1 hour and 40 minutes in duration. Wouldn't want to be stuck on a prop that long.

FAT-SEA is close to that..maybe closer to 2 hrs..and it is a very comfortable ride..you do not really notice the few extra moments as compared to the CR7.


User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16628 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 5):
LOL, these Q400 sound strangely familiar, don't they? In addition to DEN-DRO/MCI/RAP/MTJ/COS, I bet we may see these birds on DEN-ABQ/ASE/BIL/BOI/BZN/EGE/FSD/HDN/ICT/JAC/OKC/OMA/SLC/TUL as well.

Also reminds me of Rocky Mountain Airways. Or is that what you meant?   Too bad the Avon Stolport is now a Walmart.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16546 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):
Question: Will any of the Q400s have the long-rumored F seats in the front of the cabin?

Several already do have the F cabin.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Airlines should use DH4-800s to park 50 seat RJs.

That I agree with, but also the 70 seater RJs on sub 500 mile routes.



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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16516 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
MCI surprises me.

MCI is an RJET Q400 MX base.



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User currently offlineChicagoJetSet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16456 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 23):

It's also a crew base for Republic. They don't have many other options for domiciles considering (besides DEN) there are no other bases nearby.

[Edited 2012-07-31 09:30:13]

25 floridaflyboy : It is, however, it is an Ejet only crew base at the moment. Although MCI FA's are being Q400 trained in batches.
26 quickmover : What would the flight time be DEN-MCI on a q400 compared to a 737?
27 ChicagoJetSet : The estimated flight time for the UA Q400 flight is 2:10, compared to a Southwest 737 at 1:50. So really, not much of a difference at all.
28 drerx7 : Well...not enough of a difference when comparing it to economics vs. the alternative aircraft...but 20 minutes is enough time to be noticeable. When
29 tommy767 : That's actually rather significant. If it was 5-10 it would be one thing but 20 extra minutes is not worth it -- espeically with 2 32S on the route.
30 Cactus739 : Actual flight time is remarkably shorter though. Today there have been 3 DEN-MCI flights, all on jets so can't really guess the Q's flight time. Is t
31 ChicagoJetSet : I don't know the exact flight times, I was just basing it off of the estimated times on the United and Southwest websites. Of course, those aren't ex
32 quickmover : True. I know they say the Eastbound flight is blocked for something like 1:20 or 1:30. Both 737s and 319s usually make it in close to 1 hour. I'm bet
33 TWA902fly : Well that doesn't make sense. ERJ and 737 cruise speed is identical - Mach .78 '902
34 Caspian27 : Cruise speed is .78 IF the pilots decide to fly that speed...
35 CALPSAFltSkeds : According the United.com, the service for 8/1 and 8/2 are with aircraft #507 and #510 and are to DRO and MCI only. Planespotter.net shows N508LX as th
36 jetmatt777 : DEN-OKC has been in the schedule for about a month now with the Q400. Start early Sept. at 3x a day. Mainline remains.
37 jmc1975 : So uhhhh....what would theoretically fly the 500-1000 mile routes?
38 turk0167 : It sure would be nice if the Q400s would replace the E120s out here, on the west coast. Any chance of that, or will Skywest hang on to the E120s until
39 flyhossd : You're right about the cruise speeds, but in my experience, there was a real difference in climb. That is, leaving a hub behind a EMB-145*, their slo
40 spiritair97 : Keep in mind that airlines ALWAYS pad the flight time in case of delays and route deviations. For instance, I fliew WN recently from ISP to BWI to CH
41 Post contains images ChicagoJetSet : I'm not sure on the tail numbers, but I know they'll be getting the units from Colgan. 32 aircraft in total: four from the Lynx operation, and the re
42 RDH3E : These are in an all Y 74 seat configuration. Only the 4 lynx aircraft will be starting services immediately in DEN. Those are/were the Colgan aircraf
43 delta767-400 : Colgan had 31 Q400, but Republic is only taking 28 Q400. What is happening to the other 3?
44 kgaiflyer : QX does that. I've done SEA-BIL-SEA more than once on QX Q400s at 662 sm each way.
45 Post contains images point2point : What an irony here. Wasn't it Sean Menke, who was in charge of F9, wanting to start Lynx so the F9 could have provide nearby low-cost feeder routes i
46 AirframeAS : Two questions here: Republic doesn't have their own rampers for the Q400's (they were ground handled by mainline F9 in the past). Who is going to grou
47 gigneil : F9 did it wrong, imho. Lynx was a great idea that they failed to develop, and really it was Republic's fault it didn't go. The Q400 is the perfect pla
48 AirframeAS : I agree. QX doesn't have this problem and their Q400's are serving them quite well! I like the Q400.
49 mariner : Whoa - the Q400's in the Lynx (Frontier) fleet never did well for Frontier, well before Republic. They are comparatively expensive to operate for LCC
50 KingAir200 : SkyWest at the ground level UAX facility on B, I believe.
51 ChicagoJetSet : They'll be handled by SkyWest who does most of the ground ops for the RJ flying out of DEN. The Q's will be flying out of the regional area of Concou
52 kgaiflyer : Because of the wingspan, they would need to be at a mainline gate (like at EWR). Alternately, outside at the old E120 positions in the high 70s.[Edit
53 Post contains links and images UnitedTristar : Looks like they stuck one in early, aircraft 410 is operating UA4890 tonight! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...0/history/20120801/0115Z/KDEN/KM
54 STT757 : Colgan had 29, they originally had 30 on order but one crashed in BUF. All will go to Republic along with the 3-4 former Lynx aircraft.
55 ChicagoJetSet : Valid point. I can defienetly see them being parked in those upper 70's gates. Awesome! Good catch!
56 AirframeAS : That means between B45 and east to B52 in DEN.
57 mercure1 : some generic flt times for Summer winds on DEN-MCI @ normal cruise speeds: A320 = 68min (baseline) 737-300 = 74min (+6min) 737-700 = 70min (+2min) E1
58 Post contains images spiritair97 : I'm looking forward to it! Does this mean that they're all gonna be based at DEN? Hopefully,like I stated before, we still see at least some based on
59 delta767-400 : not by my count. i see 32 including the one that crashed. so the crash in BUF brings us to 31. that leaves 3 planes unaccounted for as two previous p
60 AirframeAS : AFAIK, all 4 are coming from Lynx.
61 CALPSAFltSkeds : Thanks for the update. On the UA fleets Web site I'm handling, my list has the following missing that you show on your post. 33WQ 213WQ 332NG 333NG 3
62 Post contains links STT757 : Four are former Lynx, the rest are the Colgan aircraft. However I think there's a mistake with their press releases. Colgan has/had 29 Q400s, origina
63 ATWZW170 : Anyone have any interior pictures of the planes? Wondering if they made any changes.
64 RDH3E : They are re-striping the finger at B to fit the Q's once there are enough in service. I believe B79 is the only Q capable gate right now. False. As o
65 Post contains links STT757 : There were only 30 firm ordered and delivered, one crashed, for a total of 29: scroll down to see Colgan/Pinnacle orders/deliveries: http://www.bomba
66 Post contains links RDH3E : http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....nix.zhtml?c=83680&p=irol-fleetInfo Do you think UA didn't know how many Q400's they had? The fleet plan sta
67 mbm3 : Great question. The Q4s with F seats have popped up here in KCLE - I was on one a couple weeks ago - but I do not know how they are being rolled out
68 RDH3E : They were all "based" out of EWR. But there were probably flights like EWR-XXX-CLE-XXX-EWR where they showed up in CLE. IAD and IAH had only non-F Q'
69 kgaiflyer : And ORD-CLE-BWI-EWR (and the vice versa) as another typical routing.
70 AirframeAS : I have pics, but they are not mine, so I cannot post them without permission.
71 flyhossd : Wasn't Colgan leasing a second hand Q400? I can't recall the original operator right now, but I saw it somewhere (IAH maybe); it was white with a sma
72 ChicagoJetSet : I'm not 100% sure, BUT that would make sense. Republic said that there would be a total of 32 Q's operating for UA. 28 from Colgan, and 4 from the Ly
73 FL787 : Just to settle this... Colgan's original batch of Q400s numbered 15: 187-188WQ, 190-191WQ, 195-196WQ, 199-200WQ, 202-204WQ, 208-209WQ, 213-214WQ In 2
74 STT757 : Again Bombardier's Q400 report show 30 ordered and 30 delivered for Colgan/Pinnacle.
75 CIDFlyer : Im curious as to how the market will react....while no doubt its probably more comfortable than a CRJ/ERJ, will the perceived notion that props are sl
76 STT757 : Probably less so in the Mountain markets than say the Northeast.
77 Caspian27 : Actually there are Q lines at B56-60 also. And when they were doing ramper familiarization it was parked at B55.[Edited 2012-08-01 21:30:27]
78 dsuairptman : I hope the Q400 IAH base returns, more so Q400 service IAH-GPT. Could easily support a couple Q's a day and is in good mileage range for the aircraft.
79 Post contains links STT757 : Okay looking at the Fleet list it has a history of "32" Q400s, one was lost at BUF so that's 31. I found one, N33WQ, that was not delivered new and ha
80 milesrich : We will see how well passengers enjoy flying in propeller planes around Denver with its very rough air. I can't imagine anyone would choose a United E
81 flyhossd : UA (Smisek) has often claimed that UA doesn't compete with Southwest.
82 mbm3 : Hasn't Horizon done well flying Q400s around the mountains further west? Granted, Denver has a very unique weather pattern, but I do not think this w
83 drerx7 : ...and in the same breath he b*!ched about HOU and WN Latin plans...
84 kgaiflyer : More accurately further north. QX offers Q400 service from SEA to BOI, LWS, SUN, and IDA in Idaho -- BIL, BZN, HLN, FCA, and GTF in Montana -- and YL
85 FRNT787 : Republic did not take all of the Colgan aircraft because they already owned four of their own. The UA contract called for 32 Q400s, extending the E14
86 yyz717 : With this move, will any Q400's be left at EWR? UA's EWR-YYZ schedule converts from 8x daily Q400 now to 10x daily E145 by October, so I assume not.
87 rampart : I don't know, there's a fairly continuous record of prop flying in the Rocky Mountains since the 1950s. It was supposedly an issue back in the days o
88 kgaiflyer : In the fall BWI-EWR and DCA-EWR convert to all E145 all the time and IAD-EWR will go on E145 / E170 combo service.
89 LOWS : Why are they wasting slots at EWR on 50 seat RJs?
90 RDH3E : Is that a rhetorical question? Think about it.
91 tommy767 : Not as much as they used to. the E170 is VERY common at EWR. They could still use more mainline in short haul domestic markets -- like 1x 319/320 on
92 STT757 : They should move all 38 of the ERJ-170s To EWR, let the CR-7s and Q400s handle the 70+ seat regionals from IAH, ORD, DEN, IAD etc...
93 tommy767 : Well of course you would think something like that. EWR is due for some mainline considering many of these markets CO used to serve with mainline jet
94 Post contains links STT757 : Lets see what the new UA pilots contract includes, perhaps there will be a C series or ERJ-190/195 operated by mainline pilots coming down the pike. U
95 par13del : To the pax the key is the entire trip from check-in to pick up bags, I think in today's environment airport operations can play a larger part than th
96 UA_727 : Looks like BIL has a Q turn added on 03OCT.
97 spiritair97 : CO and UA both got rid of the -300s a few years ago. As for the replacements on the shorter routes, you're gonna see a mix of e145s, CRJ2s and -7s, a
98 ChicagoJetSet : Looks like the Q is seriously going to play a key part in UA's DEN hub. Personally, I see it being quite sucsessful out there. There are tons of shor
99 AirframeAS : Some of the CO 735's are still flying around.... I see them daily in DEN.
100 spiritair97 : Yes, they are.When I said that, I was specifically referring to the -300s. Though the -500s won't be around for much longer.
101 baje427 : Is there a chance of future Q400 orders?
102 ridgid727 : They are also going to change 3 flights from Den-SLC to a Q400 in october. With DL, WN, F9 running jets, I do wonder how passengers acustomed to jets
103 milesrich : Have any of you ever flown from DEN to GJT, or HDN, or ASE, or other mountain points on a Convair 340, or 580? There is a reason passengers opted for
104 kgaiflyer : I done DEN-SLC on OO CR-2s. The entire trip is in relatively unadventurous terrain -- no mountains to climb over. Can't see a problem for Q service.
105 RDH3E : It's a moot point. UA is the only airline who serves GJT, HDN, and ASE from DEN so to the extent that we're only looking at that market in a vacuum t
106 flyhossd : There are some relatively high MEAs (minimum enroute altitudes) between SLC and DEN as I recall. Nonetheless, I wouldn't expect it to be a problem fo
107 gigneil : No mountains to climb over? On DEN-SLC? NS
108 AirframeAS : You don't realize that the Rocky Mountains are to the west, right?
109 Post contains links RDH3E : Exactly, the dark green things on the marble map are mountains... It's definitely not flat! http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SLC-DEN
110 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Oh yes -- the Rockies -- I've seen pictures of them. At least nothing like DEN-DRO, DEN-EGE, DEN-HDN, or DEN-TEX . I've flown through thunderstorms o
111 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Absolutely -- they are that. No argument from me.
112 RDH3E : Since this thread is calming down a bit, I figure I'll throw a little fuel on the fire... Technically the first YX Q400 flights from DEN were on 7/31
113 AirframeAS : Do we have a paint schedule for the rest of the 3 Lynx airplanes?
114 Post contains images gigneil : The Q400 is the perfect airframe for those flights, imho. Not targeting you. Just your ideas. NS
115 milesrich : Denver to SLC, no mountains to fly over? What they do? Fly north over Cheyenne and the South pass and then over far northern Utah and then south to S
116 Post contains images kgaiflyer : I'm a BIG boy. I can take it
117 TheGreatChecko : You guys do know that Lynx was doing most of these city pairs years ago, right? DEN-SLC, ASE, DRO, GJT, BIL, BZN, JAC, HDN, MCI, ICT, TUL, OKC, ABQ, E
118 kgaiflyer : I've just learned a lot. It makes sense when you consider that OS has used the Q400 domestically for years now.
119 kgaiflyer : Oh, trust me -- it's not just Aspen. According to Flightaware, on OO's LAX-ELP route, a second plane frequently follows the first -- apparently carry
120 ulfinator : I have flow SEA-STS several times on Alaska (operated by Horizon) Q400s and that is 2hr 10m long. Then again the fact that Horizon still provides fre
121 enilria : I question that one. Uncompetitive plane for the route.
122 Cubsrule : Doesn't YX have a crew base in MCI? And, YMMV, but I think the DH4 is more comfortable than a 50-seater, so the only comfort difference is one of con
123 iowaman : That I'm sure is entirely unprofitable. In fact, I'm not even seeing OO running LAX-ELP any more - only WN and AA Eagle flights with CR7's.
124 floridaflyboy : Yes, there is a YX crew base in MCI, however, the pilots there currenly only crew the E-Jets. The Flight Attendants there are being trained on the Q4
125 Stapleton : Perhaps. On the other hand, this same "uncompetitive plane" was very competitive with Southwest 737s between Spokane and Seattle. So much so that Sou
126 kgaiflyer : WN pretty much owns ELP. The UA ELP-LAX service -- competing with WN -- is apparently gone forever. On the other hand, AA's CR-7s return to their nor
127 jadedchameleon : SEA-GIG is 224 miles, DEN-MCI is 533.... it's not a big deal to sit on a turboprop for a 35 minute flight. I think the Q400 makes a ton of sense for s
128 Cubsrule : Why? It's every bit as comfortable as a jet. Unlike AS, UA even boards them from jet bridges.
129 jadedchameleon : Mostly perception. But also business flyers know that it takes N minutes to fly to DEN, because many of them do it every single week. You make that N
130 RDH3E : We'll see. That same flyer may be connecting onwards to NRT, WN doesn't do him any good there. Neither can he then use his rewards points to take his
131 flyhossd : Good point - I wondered the same thing when CO pulled out of OAK-IAH. On the few occasions that I traveled that route, the passengers largely seemed
132 Cubsrule : The fallacy here - along with what RDH3E mentioned - is that most of those passengers aren't going to Denver every single weekend. Most are going all
133 STT757 : Checking the schedules the Q400s are showing back up in IAD in December.
134 jadedchameleon : We'll see... I know of at least two FF'ers who stopped flying F9 during the Lynx Q400 experiment. As one of those folks told me, they don't like the
135 Cubsrule : I don't know that equipment has that much effect on business travelers, especially when it's a single route or handful of routes we are talking about
136 jadedchameleon : Well, I *completely* disagree with that. I can't even tell you how many business flyers I know of who have switched to WN due to UA/DL flying regiona
137 Cubsrule : We're talking about vastly different situations. This change - use of the DH4 to MCI - is completely different from the massive increase in flying on
138 ChicagoJetSet : Not to surprised. All Colgan flights end 9/5, so the time between then and December is probably just a transitioning of the flying over to RJET. Open
139 jadedchameleon : Fair enough. My point is really only this: UA has plenty of great places to deploy the aircraft that make a lot more sense than some of the routes I
140 ridgid727 : Ever see the incidents in SUN, when OO brings in their EMB120's with 26-30 passengers, and about 7 bags, come off.
141 StuckInCA : I'm getting the distinct notion that a large percentage of Denver area residents are maybe a bit pampered and, for lack of a better word, soft. Peopl
142 flyhossd : I don't disagree as I ride Horizon Air Q400s often and I think they are fine aircraft. Yet Denver, may have a different context. After decades of pro
143 Stapleton : Both Southwest and United will have distinct advantages and disadvantages in the MCI - DEN market. While WN will have the larger and faster 737, it is
144 N766UA : 737NGs regularly cruise at .80, while ERJ-135/145s cruise around .77. An ERJXR will be closer to a 737NG, and an ERJ will be closer to a classic 737,
145 STT757 : Seeing the Q400s operated by Republic on routes from EWR in January. They should order more Q400s as they are great replacements for 50 or 70 RJs on
146 gigneil : They need twice as many as they have. NS
147 Post contains images ChicagoJetSet : And depending on that magical scope clause that will come with the new pilot agreement, that could be a possibility. Of course, that's with my guess
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