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OAG Changes 8/3/2012: DL/HA/Y4/ZK  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7680 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

7C GUM-ICN OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

9E ESC-IMT OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0
9E GPZ-TVF OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7

9K EYW-RSW OCT 3>5 NOV 3>6 DEC 3>6 JAN 3>6 FEB 3>6 MAR 3>6 APR 3>6

AC IAH-YUL SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
AC IAH-YYZ SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4

Funny how this stops working when the hub goes away?
*AC MEM-YYZ SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

B6 BOS-GCM DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
B6 JFK-GCM NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4

BW MCO-POS NOV 0.2>0.3 DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3

CI LAX-TPE NOV 3>1.7 FEB 2>1.9 MAR 2.0>1.8
CI SFO-TPE MAR 1.0>0.9

DL ATL-EVV OCT 4>3
DL ATL-JAX NOV 11>12 DEC 11>12 JAN 11>12
DL ATL-PWM NOV 3>1.2 DEC 1.5>1.0
DL ATL-SXM NOV 0.3>0.1
DL ATL-TPA NOV 12>13
DL BOS-RDU OCT 7>5
DL CMH-RDU NOV 0.9>1.8 DEC 0.7>1.7 JAN 0.8>1.8 FEB 0.9>1.9
DL CVG-LAS OCT 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-BNA NOV 7>6 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6
DL DTW-PIT NOV 6>7
DL DTW-SBN OCT 6>7
DL GEG-MSP NOV 3>1.9
Looks like it resumes in March
*DL JFK-IST NOV 0.7>0.4 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0.1
DL LAX-IND OCT 0.5>0.4
DL MIA-LAX OCT 0.9>0.5

EI ORD-DUB APR 1.0>1.6

F9 DEN-COS OCT 4>5

*HA HNL-AKL MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.4
HA HNL-KOA SEP 19>18 OCT 19>18
HA HNL-LIH SEP 19>18 OCT 19>18
HA ITO-OGG NOV 1.1>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>1.3
HA KOA-HNL SEP 19>18 OCT 19>18
HA LIH-HNL SEP 19>18 OCT 19>18
HA LIH-OGG NOV 1.1>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>1.3
HA OGG-ITO NOV 1.1>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>1.3
HA OGG-KOA NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 3>5 FEB 3>5 MAR 3>4
HA OGG-LIH NOV 0.2>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>0.6

JJ MCO-GIG NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

K5 BNA-MKL JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7
K5 DAL-ELD JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7
K5 DAL-HOT JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9
K5 EAT-YKM OCT 3>1.6 NOV 3>1.6 DEC 3>1.5 JAN 0>1.6 FEB 0>1.6 MAR 0>1.5 APR 0>1.6
K5 ELD-HOT JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9
K5 ELD-MEM JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9
K5 HOT-MEM JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9
K5 HRO-MCI JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7
K5 HRO-MEM JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7
K5 MCI-SLN JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3
K5 MEM-MKL SEP 1.8>1.2 OCT 1.9>1.0 NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 1.8>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
K5 OTH-PDX JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3
K5 PDT-PDX JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3
K5 PDX-YKM OCT 3>1.6 NOV 3>1.6 DEC 3>1.5 JAN 0>1.6 FEB 0>1.6 MAR 0>1.5 APR 0>1.6

KE SEA-ICN NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7

LA LAX-SCL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.3
LA MIA-PUJ FEB 0.3>0.4
LA MIA-SCL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
LA SFO-LIM NOV 0.7>0.6 DEC 0.7>0.6

LI SJU-EIS SEP 1.4>1.6 OCT 1.0>1.4 NOV 1.0>1.4

LX MIA-ZRH DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.6 FEB 1.0>1.6 MAR 1.0>1.6 APR 1.0>1.6

LY JFK-TLV MAR 1.4>1.5

MW HNL-JHM APR 0>2
MW HNL-LNY APR 0>2
MW HNL-MKK APR 0>7
MW JHM-HNL APR 0>2
MW KOA-OGG APR 0>11
MW LNY-HNL APR 0>2
MW LNY-OGG APR 0>1.0
MW MKK-HNL APR 0>7
MW MKK-OGG APR 0>5
MW OGG-KOA APR 0>11
MW OGG-LNY APR 0>1.0
MW OGG-MKK APR 0>5

NH JFK-NRT OCT 1.0>1.1 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2

OZ CMH-ORD SEP 0.9>0.4 OCT 0.1>0.0
OZ MSP-ORD SEP 1.4>0.5

RBL ROR-TPE SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0

SU IAD-SVO APR 0>0.1
SU JFK-SVO APR 0>2
SU LAX-SVO APR 0>0.7

TN LAX-PPT APR 0.9>1.0

TS FLL-YQB NOV 0.3>0.1
TS MCO-YOW JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
TS MCO-YYZ NOV 0.1>0.3

UA DEN-HNL DEC 1.1>1.5
UA DEN-ICT NOV 4>5
UA GUM-SDJ APR 0.4>0.3
UA IAH-BHM DEC 6>5
UA IAH-MIA FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
UA IAH-MSP NOV 4>5
UA IAH-PNS MAR 4>5 APR 4>5
UA IAH-SDF DEC 3>2
UA SFO-JAC JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.8
UA SFO-LIH DEC 1.0>1.4

US DCA-AVL SEP 0.2>0.0
US DCA-GSO SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
If they are cutting this back for Winter it must be awful...
US DCA-VPS SEP 3>1.5 OCT 3>1.3 NOV 1.9>1.1 DEC 1.8>1.2 JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>1.1 MAR 1.8>1.2 APR 1.9>1.1
US PHL-EWR OCT 6>7

VX BOS-SFO DEC 3>1.9

WG LAS-YYZ SEP 0.3>0.4 OCT 0.3>0.4

WS HNL-YYC DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.2
WS OGG-YEG DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.5 APR 0>0.3
WS OGG-YYC DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6 APR 0>0.4

Y4 FAT-GDL NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6
Y4 LAS-GDL NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.4>1.0
Y4 LAS-MEX SEP 1.6>1.9 NOV 1.5>0.8 DEC 1.6>0.9 JAN 1.6>0.9 FEB 1.6>0.9 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.6>0.9
Y4 LAX-AGU NOV 0.4>0.1 DEC 0.4>0.1 JAN 0.5>0.2 FEB 0.4>0.1 MAR 0.4>0.1 APR 0.4>0.1
Y4 LAX-GDL NOV 2>1.1 DEC 2>1.2 JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.1 APR 2>1.2
Y4 LAX-MEX OCT 0.4>0.6 NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
Y4 LAX-MLM NOV 0.9>0.4 DEC 0.9>0.5 JAN 0.8>0.4 FEB 0.9>0.4 MAR 0.9>0.4 APR 0.8>0.4
Y4 LAX-ZCL NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
Y4 MDW-GDL SEP 1.0>1.2 NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6
Y4 MDW-MEX NOV 0.6>0.1 DEC 0.6>0.2 JAN 0.5>0.1 FEB 0.6>0.1 MAR 0.6>0.2 APR 0.5>0.1
Y4 MDW-MLM OCT 0.4>0.5 NOV 0.5>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
Y4 MDW-ZCL NOV 0.3>0.1 DEC 0.3>0.2 JAN 0.3>0.1 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.2
Y4 OAK-GDL NOV 1.3>0.7 DEC 1.3>0.7 JAN 1.3>0.7 FEB 1.3>0.7 MAR 1.3>0.7 APR 1.3>0.8
Y4 SAN-MEX NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
Y4 SJC-GDL NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6

ZK AIA-BFF SEP 1.5>1.0 OCT 1.6>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.6>1.0
ZK AIA-CDR SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9
ZK AIA-DEN SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
ZK BFF-CDR OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0
ZK BFF-DEN SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
ZK CEZ-PRC OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0
ZK CEZ-TEX OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
ZK CYS-PIR SEP 0.9>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0
ZK DEN-PGA OCT 1.0>1.9 NOV 1.0>1.9 DEC 1.0>1.8 JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>1.9 MAR 1.0>1.8 APR 1.0>1.9
ZK DEN-PIR SEP 1.0>1.9 OCT 1.0>1.9 NOV 1.0>1.8 DEC 1.0>1.9 JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>1.9 MAR 1.0>1.8 APR 1.0>1.9
ZK DEN-TEX OCT 3>1.3 NOV 3>1.3 DEC 3>1.3 JAN 3>1.3 FEB 3>1.3 MAR 3>1.3 APR 3>1.3
ZK DIK-ISN SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
ZK FMN-LAS OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
ZK FMN-PGA OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
ZK ISN-TVF SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0
ZK LAX-MCE OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
ZK PGA-PRC OCT 1.0>1.9 NOV 1.0>1.9 DEC 1.0>1.8 JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>1.9 MAR 1.0>1.8 APR 1.0>1.9
ZK PHX-SOW SEP 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.9 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9

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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6730 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7457 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US DCA-VPS SEP 3>1.5 OCT 3>1.3 NOV 1.9>1.1 DEC 1.8>1.2 JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>1.1 MAR 1.8>1.2 APR 1.9>1.1

Why? High season for VPS is spring/summer. People forget that northern Florida (PNS, VPS, ECP) has a very different tourist season compared to southern Florida.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

AC IAH-YUL SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

So now *A airlines are going to reduce flights to IAH as well as the UA exodus?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
K5 PDX-YKM OCT 3>1.6 NOV 3>1.6 DEC 3>1.5 JAN 0>1.6 FEB 0>1.6 MAR 0>1.5 APR 0>1.6

And, SeaPort strikes again, how long has YKM been operating? I think when this route was announced not so long ago, no one here seemed to have much hope, looks like we were right. I doubt it will last until next summer when the only chance of it increasing comes around. I'm sure not too many people have appreciated SeaPort's way of business here in Oregon.



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7767 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CMH-RDU NOV 0.9>1.8 DEC 0.7>1.7 JAN 0.8>1.8 FEB 0.9>1.9

This rolls-back the initial reduction that was loaded on this flight 2 weeks ago that was a topic of discussion on a.net.

CHM-RDU initially was cut to 0, then within about 48 hours that changed to 1 per day. Now its back to daily.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-SBN OCT 6>7

It should be noted that on home football Notre Dame weekends, DL upgauges some flights to CR7, CR9, and D95s on DTW-SBN.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17822 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7265 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

Y4 FAT-GDL NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6
Y4 LAS-GDL NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.4>1.0
Y4 LAS-MEX SEP 1.6>1.9 NOV 1.5>0.8 DEC 1.6>0.9 JAN 1.6>0.9 FEB 1.6>0.9 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.6>0.9
Y4 LAX-AGU NOV 0.4>0.1 DEC 0.4>0.1 JAN 0.5>0.2 FEB 0.4>0.1 MAR 0.4>0.1 APR 0.4>0.1
Y4 LAX-GDL NOV 2>1.1 DEC 2>1.2 JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.1 APR 2>1.2
Y4 LAX-MEX OCT 0.4>0.6 NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
Y4 LAX-MLM NOV 0.9>0.4 DEC 0.9>0.5 JAN 0.8>0.4 FEB 0.9>0.4 MAR 0.9>0.4 APR 0.8>0.4
Y4 LAX-ZCL NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
Y4 MDW-GDL SEP 1.0>1.2 NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6
Y4 MDW-MEX NOV 0.6>0.1 DEC 0.6>0.2 JAN 0.5>0.1 FEB 0.6>0.1 MAR 0.6>0.2 APR 0.5>0.1
Y4 MDW-MLM OCT 0.4>0.5 NOV 0.5>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
Y4 MDW-ZCL NOV 0.3>0.1 DEC 0.3>0.2 JAN 0.3>0.1 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.2
Y4 OAK-GDL NOV 1.3>0.7 DEC 1.3>0.7 JAN 1.3>0.7 FEB 1.3>0.7 MAR 1.3>0.7 APR 1.3>0.8
Y4 SAN-MEX NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
Y4 SJC-GDL NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6

This seems mostly like a misfire, since these changes aren't on their website. I'd expect most or all of it to be reversed next week.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3365 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7166 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Why? High season for VPS is spring/summer. People forget that northern Florida (PNS, VPS, ECP) has a very different tourist season compared to southern Florida.

I was about to say the same thing. There is little Sun & Fun on the Panhandle in the middle of winter.


User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MIA-LAX OCT 0.9>0.5

Another MIA route that DL seems to have trouble with.


User currently offlineclrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VX BOS-SFO DEC 3>1.9

What's up with VX in BOS? Seems like a lot of adding and subtracting of flights. Granted BOS-SFO has multiple UA and 2x B6 flights. Is VX facing low yields/load factors to reduce it to below 2x daily? How does LAX do for them out of BOS?


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6771 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
So now *A airlines are going to reduce flights to IAH as well as the UA exodus?

Sad to see it go but UA still flies it 1x daily non-stop



“Without seeing Sicily it is impossible to understand Italy.Sicily is the key of everything.”-Goethe "Journey to Italy"
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
If they are cutting this back for Winter it must be awful...
US DCA-VPS SEP 3>1.5 OCT 3>1.3 NOV 1.9>1.1 DEC 1.8>1.2 JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>1.1 MAR 1.8>1.2 APR 1.9>1.1

Maybe the leisure and mili traffic isn't enough to support more than one daily, especially as VPS is stuck between the larger PNS and the booming ECP - which has daily flights to BWI on WN. ECP is quickly becoming the preferred airport of the Panhandle.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
And, SeaPort strikes again, how long has YKM been operating? I think when this route was announced not so long ago, no one here seemed to have much hope, looks like we were right. I doubt it will last until next summer when the only chance of it increasing comes around. I'm sure not too many people have appreciated SeaPort's way of business here in Oregon.

SeaPort is still viewed as a two-bit operation, and there is nowhere near the brand awareness of Horizon or UAX.

I would wager QX could make a 1x daily YKM work, maybe continuing on to SEA or GEG.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Y4 FAT-GDL NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6

Its been a few weeks since this route was having weekly frequency changes posted. Looks like it might be back. I wonder if next week we should look for AM to post a change too.  
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
This seems mostly like a misfire, since these changes aren't on their website. I'd expect most or all of it to be reversed next week.

I find it hard to buy that Volaris would cut frequency on all of those routes during the end of year holidays. I expect much of it will be reversed in the next few weeks.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):
Sad to see it go but UA still flies it 1x daily non-stop

Yea - I figured that they would stop it once the merger integration began with the UA E70.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
So now *A airlines are going to reduce flights to IAH as well as the UA exodus?

No.   The flight was moved to another YYZ frequency. So a net loss or gain of Zero.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 5):

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Why? High season for VPS is spring/summer. People forget that northern Florida (PNS, VPS, ECP) has a very different tourist season compared to southern Florida.

I was about to say the same thing. There is little Sun & Fun on the Panhandle in the middle of winter.

What you are saying people don't want to be on a beach with highs on average in the low/mid 60s (lows in the 30s) from December to March? Hey, to a Canadian that is probably warm still. :-P LOL


User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3365 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 12):
What you are saying people don't want to be on a beach with highs on average in the low/mid 60s (lows in the 30s) from December to March? Hey, to a Canadian that is probably warm still. :-P LOL

So they should market this to all the Canadians living in Washington D.C.?  


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5571 times:

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 13):
So they should market this to all the Canadians living in Washington D.C.?  

LOL Hey, I can't claim to understand Enilria's train of thought. LOL


User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5502 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-SXM NOV 0.3>0.1

ughh! hoping this increases by Jan..no way to NRSA on this once a week..brings me back to my dream of B6 starting DTWJFK or DTWBOS so i can fly them all the way to the lovely island =)


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6730 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5457 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 12):
What you are saying people don't want to be on a beach with highs on average in the low/mid 60s (lows in the 30s) from December to March? Hey, to a Canadian that is probably warm still. :-P LOL

Living in the PNS area, whenever we saw someone at the beach swimming during the winter months, we always assumed they must be Canadian....or from Minnesota (which is basically still Canada!).

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 13):

So they should market this to all the Canadians living in Washington D.C.?

US did add a bunch of Canadian flights to DCA as part of the slot swap, so maybe DCA is the new gateway for Canadians going to Florida!! Just kidding of course.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
ECP is quickly becoming the preferred airport of the Panhandle.

I wouldn't go quite that far. By late this fall, ECP will only have a total of 13 daily departures to four destinations on two carriers. 7 flights to ATL (on DL) and six flights on WN (2 to HOU, 2 to BNA and 2 to BWI). WN is cancelling the ECP-MCO flights.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5396 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-SXM NOV 0.3>0.1

What makes SXM more seasonal than STT? St. Thomas is 2x 757s from Atlanta for most of the year then goes to 1 757 for part of the year but even picks up a Sat only flight to JFK. Operated from 12/15 - 04/27.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Looks like it resumes in March
*DL JFK-IST NOV 0.7>0.4 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0.1

Loved the whole "DL closing IST" thread.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Why? High season for VPS is spring/summer. People forget that northern Florida (PNS, VPS, ECP) has a very different tourist season compared to southern Florida.

      I don't think people realize how cold the likes of MOB, VPS, PNS, ECP, JAX gets during the winter. Hotel rooms bottom out around $60/night during that time of year. Same thing with ORF (Virginia Beach specifically).

Quoting miaami (Reply 6):
Another MIA route that DL seems to have trouble with.

Not really...MIALAX is a product of DL moving the route from FLL for better yields. They did the same type of cuts at FLL for as long as the route operated.

BTW, what would be the "other" MIA routes DL has trouble with? LHR?



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User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5297 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
BTW, what would be the "other" MIA routes DL has trouble with? LHR?

MIA - LHR/MCO/TPA/JAX/RDU and now LAX is not even daily


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5272 times:

Quoting miaami (Reply 18):

MIA - LHR/MCO/TPA/JAX/RDU and now LAX is not even daily

Right. Everything that had everything to do with LHR (MCO-not a new route for DL; was operated by either Freedom or RP at one point, TPA, JAX, RDU). A bunch of P2P routes. And like I said, MIALAX moved from FLL and it too was not daily year round so I'm not understanding what you're saying here.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
Maybe the leisure and mili traffic isn't enough to support more than one daily, especially as VPS is stuck between the larger PNS and the booming ECP - which has daily flights to BWI on WN. ECP is quickly becoming the preferred airport of the Panhandle.

Ehh, IDK about that. Pure conjecture on my part but just from what i've heard, people are not too hot on the actual location of the new airport. In the middle of nowhere and is quite a drive to anything.

[Edited 2012-07-31 14:38:09]

[Edited 2012-07-31 14:38:33]


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User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5161 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):

Right. Everything that had everything to do with LHR (MCO-not a new route for DL; was operated by either Freedom or RP at one point, TPA, JAX, RDU). A bunch of P2P routes. And like I said, MIALAX moved from FLL and it too was not daily year round so I'm not understanding what you're saying here.

It just seems that DL has a hard time making anything work out side of MIA-ATL/LGA/JFK, even MIA-CVG/MEM have been dropped.

Besides AA's 8 MIA-LAX daily nonstops they also run a FLL-LAX daily. You would think that DL could at least make LAX daily.


User currently offlinetwincommander From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5120 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
And, SeaPort strikes again, how long has YKM been operating? I think when this route was announced not so long ago, no one here seemed to have much hope, looks like we were right. I doubt it will last until next summer when the only chance of it increasing comes around. I'm sure not too many people have appreciated SeaPort's way of business here in Oregon.
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
SeaPort is still viewed as a two-bit operation, and there is nowhere near the brand awareness of Horizon or UAX.

I would wager QX could make a 1x daily YKM work, maybe continuing on to SEA or GEG

While the K5 schedule reflects the seasonal draw down they planned on, they wont admit the routes arnt performing as they hoped. They are also making a huge change in september. All PDX operations will take place from the main terminal, and will share some space with AS/QX. They are getting very desperate for business, so its an interline agreement with AS to save the day! The ticket counter will be somewhere near all the daily traffic, so probably around WN/AS.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5112 times:

Quoting miaami (Reply 20):
It just seems that DL has a hard time making anything work out side of MIA-ATL/LGA/JFK, even MIA-CVG/MEM have been dropped.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. At the end of the day, MIA is just a spoke for DL. CVG-MIA/MEM-MIA does not speak of DL's inability to make routes work out of MIA. It speaks of the weakness of both CVG and MEM as hubs. How about MEM-AMS? Because they dropped they dropped AMS does that mean DL cannot make AMS work for them? I know what you're going to say but I look at it as MEM-XXX you look at it as MEM-MIA so something must be wrong with DL and Miami and that's not the case.

Quoting miaami (Reply 20):
Besides AA's 8 MIA-LAX daily nonstops they also run a FLL-LAX daily. You would think that DL could at least make LAX daily.

Well there you go. AA is 8x LAXMIA. A hub to bug route for them at that (no, DL does not call nor consider LAX a hub). I wouldn't expect anything less.



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):

Why? High season for VPS is spring/summer. People forget that northern Florida (PNS, VPS, ECP) has a very different tourist season compared to southern Florida.

hopefully it stays that way...its the best kept winter vacation spot hidden secret (Ive been going there for 16 years as my parents winter in Orange Beach nearby PNS) except for all the snowbirds from Michigan, Indiana. Illinois, Iowa and Minnesota...love it there. But you are right, its not a typical winter vacation spot since the weather is "cooler" there.


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2998 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ZK ISN-TVF SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0

This ends the Williston-Minneapolis flying (originally nonstop, then 1-stop instead) and puts MSP as an all-BE1 operation. Unlike ZK's code sharing with United and Frontier at Denver, I don't think that was the case at MPS. Great Lakes has interline agreements, but that's different than actually code sharing.

The winter Williston schedule does have 4 Denver nonstops and now a 1-stop flight via Dickinson. So far, when you price flights on united.com in a market like ISN-PHX, they display connections both on Great Lakes and on UA* RJ's (ExpressJet or Skywest). Perhaps (?) there's room for both.

As for Great Lakes, they've re-applied for MSP to Brainard, Rhinelander, Iron Mountain and International Falls. All these marekts were already awarded to ZK, but then Lakes said they could not start service anytime soon and said the markets should go back out to bid. Perhaps ending Williston-MSP is part of the plan to have lift available to pick up those cities. However Skywest has bid those markets with CRJ as DL*.


25 CIDFlyer : it reminds me of the midwest in early spring, you can have spurts of warm beautiful weather into the 70s, followed by cold fronts that can dip temps
26 PHX787 : That's surprising as AC came into CVG when our hub began to go away. A peculiar reduction....... Yeah really, all the speculation we do and it's just
27 BoeingGuy : So far DL has only dropped MEM-AMS for the Winter Season. It's supposed to come back next Summer, although others have speculated that it will eventu
28 dsuairptman : The scroll over indicates MW is Maya Airways of Belize. Is this accurate and are they really launching intra-island service? If so with what type of a
29 PHX787 : Does MEM have anybody supporting international ops, like P&G does with CVG? I believe this is Mesa (maybe a misfiling)
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : It might. I might really on nthe wagon that it won't come back just yet though. However, in the most recent call, they made it very clear that they w
31 dsuairptman : No Mesa's ident it YV
32 BoeingGuy : As much as I'd like to see MEM-AMS remain, just because it's an interesting route, that seems to be the expectation among us A.net observers about so
33 RWA380 : I'll be curious to see how the PDX-PSC-PDX flight will do, but a Q400 to YKM from PDX would be tougher than PSC to keep profitable, unfortunately. I
34 wedgetail737 : The Tri-Cities area is much larger than YKM. Remember WA/DL used to fly 727-200's into PSC.
35 KaiGywer : Hmm, bringing back the birthplace of XJ after XJ is no more....strange. Northern MN sure has enough airports
36 PSU.DTW.SCE : This is an extension of the current schedule on this route. In August, CVG-LAS operates ~5 times per week. In September, CVG-LAS operates ~3 times pe
37 RWA380 : Yep, which is why I thought the YKM would be even a tougher route to make profitable, and the fact the past two weeks AS has had PDX-PSC for $49.00 o
38 PHX787 : Ahh that makes perfect sense then. Thanks.
39 MAV88 : I would assume AA carries a good amount of connecting traffic on their MIA-LAX flights. While the South Florida-LAX market is big, the total amount o
40 miaami : No doubt. But DL moved the flight from FLL to MIA. Now its not even daily....just seems that DL struggles to expand at MIA.
41 Tdan : Surprised it lasted as long as it did. IIRC, DL added flights right on top of AC when they first announced the route. I'm not sure DL would have the
42 FlyASAGuy2005 : LOL The route has not been daily during the off season for years out of FLL. That's what i'm trying to tell you. Why would it be daily now with, by y
43 PHX787 : Given the fact that FX can deadhead passengers (can they still?) will MEM be able to continue supporting the AMS route in that way?
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