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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 118  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12109 posts, RR: 18
Posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25081 times:
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Welcome to the #118th Edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. In thread #117 New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117 (by cchan Jul 7 2012 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- New Zealand residents paying more for NZ flights compared to Australians, UK residents
- AKL-HKG-LHR flight number change
- NZs B763s J class
- NZs 'One up' programme has launched
- NZ drops down Skytrax's worlds best airlines list
- NZ announce 'Hobbit' planes are coming! A B772 and B77W will be painted into Hobbit colours for the Hobbit movies
- ATR 72-600 first delivery will be a special livery......All Black design
- NZs special livery fleet
- New Zealand Emergency diversion airports
- Eagle Airs 1900D fleet replacements
- HA announce AKL-HNL 3x per week from Mach 2013
- NZs changing its livery.....black tail with white Koru
- NZs first B789 delivery will seat 300 pax for Asian routes
- Zest Air (Phillipines) announces its intention to launch AKL services
- NZs changing LAX terminals in 2014 with NZ building a new Star Alliance lounge in TBIT
- FedEx are coming to AKL with a once weekly MD11 service starting this weekend

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12109 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25100 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 217):
Quoting koruman (Reply 216):
my past as a loyal Air NZ passenger and I respect their staff hugely
Quoting koruman (Reply 216):
Air NZ's marvellous staff have worked hard for years to create a top quality airline, an airline which many of us would go out of our way to fly when there were more convenient or more affordable alternatives.

Thats why it would be a shame, front line staff who have and still do go the extra mile (They have for me in the past many times when I traveled as a passenger). I do accept though that staff service is only part of the overall picture

Fully agree that the staff deserve better! The best two memorys I've got of NZs staff was AKL-LAX in Christmas 2010. I was booked in Y and managed to get a seat in the first two rows with a couple in their 50s/60s beside me. An FA from Business/Premium Economy came to my seat before push back and welcomed me by my first name and handed me a J/Y+ headphones as well as an in-flight bag that J pax get as there were spares in J. Shortly after take off the same FA came back to my row and asked the couple beside me if they would like two rows to themselfs further down the back to sleep during the flight. They accepted her offer and she said they were welcome to return to their original seats before landing to enable them to be one of the first Y pax to get off in LAX. After showing the couple to their new seats, the FA returned to my row and thanked me for flying with Air NZ today. Before she returned to J/Y+ she asked me if there was any wine I would like with my meal that wasn't offered in Y or if I would like a breakfast smoothie before breakfast. Naturally I happily accepted both.

In July 2010 returning from SFO, my in-coming UA flight from DEN was very late, after running like mad to the NZ gate, the gate agents re-opened the gate to allow 5 more pax on. On board NZ7 I had a medical emergency before push back which resulted in the aircraft being delayed an extra 30mins as the captain didn't want to take off till I had improved. Finally while taxiing to the runway, one of the FAs stayed with me till the very last minute as I was in J before she needed to take her seat. During the flight FAs frequently stopped and asked how I was. Needless to say after arriving back home I contacted NZ and thanked them

Service like this when front line staff go beyond whats expected of them is what makes an airline


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 24860 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Eagle Airs 1900D fleet replacements

Interesting topic. What will be the replacement? Some say the Q200 may be a go as Bombardier may be willing to repoen the line, what about the Brasillia?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):

Yep, thats exactly what I mean. But if the company do get pushed down to 3 stars, I hope they will wake up and claw back some ground. Like Koruman says, many people on here give the impression of 'slagging off the carrier' but in fact they just want NZ to improve and do well


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 24794 times:

NZ's done a nice piece of Olympic PR in flying Nick Willis' aunt to London tomorrow to watch him run the 1500m...

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland...o-have-special-supporter-in-london



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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 24683 times:

How closely do you NZ staffer's examine your payslips?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu.../Overpaid-Air-NZ-worker-keeps-cash


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24617 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 4):
How closely do you NZ staffer's examine your payslips?

Yea I saw that story aswell, interesting story. Some may say some bad press for NZ as a result?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12109 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24580 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 2):
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):Eagle Airs 1900D fleet replacements
Interesting topic. What will be the replacement? Some say the Q200 may be a go as Bombardier may be willing to repoen the line, what about the Brasillia?

Previous thread mostly discussed ATR42 and 72 as a future fleet due to the 72-600 order


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 24564 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
Previous thread mostly discussed ATR42 and 72 as a future fleet due to the 72-600 order

The ATR 42 IMO is too close to the DHC8 in terms of capacity.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 24340 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):
The ATR 42 IMO is too close to the DHC8 in terms of capacity.

The manufacturers have to recognise that there is no replacement for the various 19-40 seat fleets around the world - the Twin Otter, Do.228, Emb Bandit & Brasilia, Saab 340, Beech 1900, BA J31 & J41 plus some others that I've forgotten including the various former Soviet builds. Must be well over a thousand that will need some form of imminent or near term replacement?!

NZ's B1900D's are just one of these types.



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 24329 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 4):
How closely do you NZ staffer's examine your payslips?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...-cash

Having just read this, I hope the airline has sacked a few of its HR team and finance/payroll people.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12109 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 24298 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 9):

I've been following this since the first news article IIRC last year and IMHO the employee did everything correct in trying to figure out what his correct pay was and NZ 100% stuffed up. Really happy the courts have awarded the win to the employee and not NZ!

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 8):

Some airlines (Great Lakes Aviation USA for example) don't operate anything bigger then a 50 seater and their business fully needs a replacement aircraft in the same markets. Will be interesting to see how this replacement needs go! Will the builders agree to re-opening an aircraft line if they still have the tools required (Bombardier Q100, 200, 300 for example). Maybe Eagle and Air Nelson will be given no option but to merge operations if the 1900D can't be fully replaced or could we see Eagle move to Q200 ops if Bombardier agree to build some Q200s for NZ. I'm sure other airlines like AC would happily jump on some new Q200s if given the chance


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 24181 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Will the builders agree to re-opening an aircraft line if they still have the tools required (Bombardier Q100, 200, 300 for example).

Threads elsewhere have identified that the Brasilia is still potentially orderable (presumably given a certain minimum order size) as it is built on the same production line as the ERJ-135 and -145. Having said that, I don't know if any have been built since production "ceased", or whether it's just an A-net myth. And I've no idea whether the Brasilia would be a really suitable replacement, or whether it's the only "new" aircraft available.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 24056 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Some airlines (Great Lakes Aviation USA for example) don't operate anything bigger then a 50 seater and their business fully needs a replacement aircraft in the same markets. Will be interesting to see how this replacement needs go! Will the builders agree to re-opening an aircraft line if they still have the tools required (Bombardier Q100, 200, 300 for example). Maybe Eagle and Air Nelson will be given no option but to merge operations if the 1900D can't be fully replaced or could we see Eagle move to Q200 ops if Bombardier agree to build some Q200s for NZ. I'm sure other airlines like AC would happily jump on some new Q200s if given the chance

The problem being that such operators have wafer thin profit margins and thus will find it difficult to buy/lease new aircraft. As pretty much all sub 50 seater airlines are no longer in production, whoever brings a new clean-sheet design to production will have a monopoly on the market. Hopefully this should be enough of an incentive for Bombardier or Embraer (or possibly ATR/Alenia) to develop something for this segment sometime in the future.



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User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 23983 times:

China Airlines to go Daily into AKL
Effective Oct 29th CI will add 4 flights per week AKL-SYD-TPE.
Days 1,3,4,6 CI52 will operate AKL-SYD-TPE
DAys 2,5,7 CI54 will operate AKL-BNE-TPE
With A330-300 aircraft


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 23978 times:

Update on FEDEX schedule for this Sunday 5th Aug
FX75 LAX-HNL-AKL-SYD-NRT
ETA AKL 1700 ETD AKL 1830


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 23979 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 13):
Quoting nascarnut (Reply 14):

Thanks a lot for the updates! Good to see another carrier on AKL-SYD.. Might try them out sometime.



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 weeks ago) and read 23891 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Service like this when front line staff go beyond whats expected of them is what makes an airline

It is certainly possible to have an overwhelmingly positve 'cabin crew' experience on NZ. My best experiences (I won't bore you with details) surpass anything encountered on any other carrier - including SQ, which I find the most consistently reliable in terms of cabin crew professionalism.

The key word is 'consistently'- and this I think is where NZ has always struggled. While my most positve cabin crew experiences have been with NZ; so too have my most negative. New Zealand culture struggles with conveying and enforcing specific workplace expectations in terms of personal pride and professionalism, and Air NZ is no excpetion. Most people have integrity and conduct themselves with professionalism anyway. The cohort that don't, unfortunately let the whole side down without any particular personal consequence.


User currently onlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 23709 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Will the builders agree to re-opening an aircraft line if they still have the tools required (Bombardier Q100, 200, 300 for example).

Well, Bombardier ceased production of the Q200 and Q300 because they wanted to up the production of the Q400 without expanding the factory. Now Q400 orders have dried up and production has dropped off.

There seems to be a good second hand market for Q300's with recent builds being snapped up for conversion to Maritime Surveillance. Air NZ could probably sell NFB and NFI for about what they paid and get more ATR72-600's.

PA515


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23526 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Really happy the courts have awarded the win to the employee and not NZ!

Agreed! And would not be surprised if this brings about a very well justified civil suit against NZ for unfair dismissal, loss of dignity, loss of earnings etc. Well done HR and payroll.

On the 789 configuration subject, do you think NZ will do a Y+ and Y only version for regional and leisure destinations? Or will it be some weird regional Biz like an updated version of that on the 763's? Presumably there will be a three class version on the LHR and North America bound 789's; NRT too?



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12109 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23513 times:
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The winner of the best employer in Wellington is.......Air NZ! http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...s-best-employer-is-Air-New-Zealand

User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4954 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 23507 times:

Which type of aircraft do the Japanese charters ?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12109 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 23469 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 20):

B763s


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23424 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 18):
On the 789 configuration subject, do you think NZ will do a Y+ and Y only version for regional and leisure destinations?

Highly doubt it. Although S2S is taking over, I'm sure they still want their J revenue on the long haul flights. Y+ just doesn't cut it; or at least it's not enough of a premium product compared to J to allow NZ to drop J.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12109 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23411 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):

I believe the B77Ws Y+ product with better seat paddings would do the trick as a J product on leisure/regional routes since the first B789s are replacing the B763s on Asian routes. The B77W seat is more better IMHO as it provides pax with better privacy for single flyers.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4954 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23406 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
since the first B789s are replacing the B763s on Asian routes

But how many sectors do 763's fly in a week to Asia? My impression is not that many.


25 NZ107 : DPS, PVG, KIX, NRT. Still far from sufficient, especially when CX start the A359 on the AKL-HKG route with the new product that is far superior (apar
26 WSTAKL : Has it been confirmed that CX will fly the A359 to AKL? Can't find any info.
27 NZ107 : The A359 has been slated to replace the A343 fleet. So unless they decide on swapping aircraft to the 77W or something, AKL will get the A359.
28 motorhussy : I was never suggesting HKG is a leisure market and think it will undoubtedly require a J equipped 789 service. In fact, when the global economy kicks
29 NZ107 : Well look at the way it's going. If DPS and HNL are both now S2S destinations, who's to say that it'll be rolled out to a bigger market at least by t
30 Mr AirNZ : There are elements to the case that have not been reported in the media. The individual concerned may have rightly won his case but one should ask wh
31 kiwiandrew : Often people don't want reinstatement if they feel the working relationship has been damaged beyond repair. It is not actually all that unusual not t
32 Post contains links ZKOJH : This is from Monday night but still related to this thread, ''Flight delay after tarmac cracks found'' A Los Angeles-bound Air New Zealand flight from
33 cchan : NZ stated that the North Asia will get the 789 first, and the examples being quoted are NRT, KIX and PVG. All of these 3 destinations will be served
34 xiaotung : It has just been announced today from end of March next year, all daily PVG services will be operated by B767 exclusively. KIX will lose its direct se
35 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Hmmm, wonder what happens with the 772 capacity freed up by this change. Isn't it currently 5 times weekly on the PVG service? Should make K'man happ
36 777ER : HKG is NZs biggest Asian market and currently has a LHR service. With this LHR service I highly doubt NZ would put a leisure config B789 on HKG-LHR.
37 Kaiarahi : So what happens with SFO - 744s indefinitely? Will the 744s be getting black asses (I suppose we should be happy the fleet is not getting asses the c
38 sunrisevalley : I believe NZ cannot operate the 77W HKG-LHR in the same way they operate the 77E on this route. It has to do with the one-engine out performance over
39 PA515 : There's a 77W HKG-LHR 0825/1405 on the 2nd Nov. The elapsed time is the same as for the 77E, but 40 mins earlier to allow it to depart as NZ1 at 1535
40 Post contains links Mr AirNZ : Very true and a good point you raise. What I meant to say wasn't 'I think' there is more at play here, but rather there is more to the story. Brookfi
41 xiaotung : PVG will be daily from end of Jan 13 with a mixture of 772 and 763. The daily 767 service will revert back to 2x763 and 5x772 from end of Jun 13. I w
42 Post contains images ZK-NBT : Currently 5 weekly PVG 772s, reducing to 2 weekly in November then back to 3 in January when it first goes daily. The 744s are due for C checks next
43 ZKOJH : They have just Pulled out of PEK to boost up PVG ' this is basically the gold mine of China' but going all 763's on it is a Hugh risk ! so much will b
44 xiaotung : It's only a matter of time in my opinion before MU and CA enter the market. Just watch how Chinese airlines are doing to all major ports in Australia
45 NZ107 : I would love it if they brought their new 3-class 77W (J, Y+, Y) to AKL but they simply don't have enough in hand or on order. They're prioritising a
46 ZK-NBT : MU seems more likely to me, they do codeshare with QF though through SYD. CA are in star and codeshare with NZ to PVG and also across the Tasman, may
47 NZ107 : Don't know.. Currently there are 4 - the ones which have arrived brand new since the product was released.. The retrofitted ones are in 4 class confi
48 Kaiarahi : If the 789s all go to Asian routes, as has been announced, how many years will the 744s be kept on SFO - until D check? Assuming the 789s will have a
49 sunrisevalley : Does this mean that a 77E will operate LAX-LHR on that date or are NZ 2 and 38 not operating on that day
50 cchan : My guess is that the 744 will be the first type to leave the fleet, and SFO gets the 77E. NZ2 departing AKL on 1 Nov is a 77E, which will operate NZ3
51 sunrisevalley : Any speculation why?
52 Post contains links NZ1 : The NZ Herald has somehow gained access to the Air NZ Intranet & Forums. Seems staff are not in favour of the new livery: http://www.nzherald.co.n
53 ZKSUJ : Would that make a difference to the outcome though?
54 Post contains images gasman : Whatever one might think of the black livery, I do agree that the relentless "rugbyfication" of Air New Zealand is try-hard, and fundamentally irrele
55 Post contains links aerohottie : http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...inerphotos/photos/big/00015306.jpg Like I said in the previous thread ; I like the bottom livery, but have the
56 mariner : I associate black with funerals. mariner
57 xiaotung : This is true in most cultures I think.
58 cchan : This livery is not going to impress Asian customers.
59 Post contains links gasman : I don't. I hasten to add I think the black idea is ill-conceived and somewhat cheap - but it doesn't elicit any particular morbid imagery for me. IMH
60 Andrensn : What was the first aircraft painted in this scheme?
61 aotearoa : I'm not so sure..... Why is it that Air New Zealand staff have difficulty clearing the airline's customers from the ramp at ZQN as they disembark fro
62 Post contains images mariner : The Chinese don't use much mourning black, but the Japanese do. The Tongans make it look spectacular: mariner
63 aerorobnz : ZK-NCE
64 WSTAKL : Anyone get any pics of the FX MD-11 today?
65 PA515 : A few threads back someone said it would be ZK-OKQ with the All Blacks going on their UK tour. PA515[Edited 2012-08-05 00:08:12]
66 MillwallSean : What Asian customers choose NZ when they have a choice? Not many and that's not a dig at NZ that's just the way it is. Those that come tend to be put
67 NZ1 : The first aircraft in the Pacific Wave livery were actually 767-300 ZK-NCM and 737-200 ZK-NAV. NAV was flown up from CHC under the cover of darkness.
68 KiwiRob : What do you think of the change NZ1? One can only hope so.
69 Post contains links and images NZ107 : FedEx McDonnell Douglas MD-11 by ANZ787900, on Flickr FedEx McDonnell Douglas MD-11 by ANZ787900, on Flickr Horrible lighting conditions this afterno
70 Kaiarahi : That sucks, if true. Both YVR and SFO would have an outdated product with a Y+ that's absolutely not worth the money, while lower yield Asian routes
71 NZ1 : Personally I find it a bit drab and un-inspiring to look at from the photos. May look different in the flesh, but I think an opportunity has been mis
72 aerohottie : Completely agree... 100%!!!
73 macilree : Can anyone give the date when FedEx first ceased operations to AKL? I think that it was before 2000. FX had taken over the Flying Tiger Line operation
74 aerorobnz : I believe it was not long after Flying Tiger Line was integrated into their fleet fully. We have only had charters for many years.
75 texan : Mount Tongariro erupted last night and an ash cloud is moving east over New Zealand. The ash cloud is located at about 20,000 feet. This won't affect
76 ZKSUJ : Taupo is closed, and a few PMR flights have been affected
77 deconz : Napier (NPE) is also closed all day
78 BonzoLab : Hi I'm new but having been following these threads for a while. Operated around the North Island today. We passed on the upwind side (west) of the VHZ
79 TravellerPlus : The NZ Herald is showing that all NZ Beech are grounded due to hairline fractures being found in the tail of one aircraft during maintainance. Looks l
80 Post contains links Andrensn : Here is the official link http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...12-eagle-air-fleet-being-inspected[Edited 2012-08-06 22:20:05]
81 Post contains links gytr31 : Stuff and NZHerald reporting too, all be it with a wee bit more drama than the NZ press release of course. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.c
82 WSTAKL : Makes a change from the usual stock 744 or 777 photo the Herald usually use in regards to any aircraft story!![Edited 2012-08-07 00:19:06]
83 motorhussy : Yes, at least it's the right aircraft for a change.
84 ZKSUJ : Good to hear that some of the 1900s are back in the air. Though from what I gather it seems like quite a few of the fleet are affected and may take a
85 aerorobnz : Just from the press release about TBIT I read this as that all customers will be processed as arriving passengers without any transit facilities - tha
86 WSTAKL : Noticed ZK-NBV operating NZ1962 to PPT today. Isn't this usually a 763?
87 aerorobnz : It is a TN charter due to their own TN101/102 cancellation due cabin crew industrial action.
88 Post contains images ZKOJH : Could the move to TBIT be a sign that the NZ002 will not go through to LHR? - it seems that they are willing to send you on LH, and Swiss via Europe,
89 aerorobnz : Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at in the earlier post.... A big gesture/gimmick (the change of terminals and Carte Blanche on a new Star Lou
90 NZ107 : 772 would sound more likely than the 789 to LAX.. As long as they get the retrofitting of the 772 underway post haste. But if NZ1/2 did end up going
91 aotearoa : I have an idea. Perhaps we could consider operating two New Zealand Aviation threads. One could be named the 'Air New Zealand Cynics thread'. This thr
92 zkojq : I know that this isn't civil aviation, but does anyone know which Air Force the Boeing C-17 that flew into Whenuapai yesterday evening belongs to?
93 aerorobnz : You presume that any scepticism is automatically 'anti NZ' comment, merely observations based on their individual professional and personal experienc
94 DavidByrne : Sure do. Although to be honest, I'd probably still read the "Cynics'" thread.
95 motorhussy : A USAF Boeing C-17 flew into CHC about midnight last night with the bodies of the two dead N.Z. servicemen killed in Afghanistan. I wonder if the ear
96 Post contains links haggis73 : RAAF C17 A41-208 as per Mike Condon's website http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/globemaster-movements.html
97 Post contains links ZKOJH : A nice good long read this morning, ''Air NZ flies through turbulent times'' The Kiwi airline is not the cheapest but competes at home and abroad. Bru
98 Andrensn : Is this at all similar to what happened to the ATR-72-500's earlier this year when they where all grounded?
99 ZKSUJ : That was the windscreen if memory serves me correctly.
100 macilree : HLZ is to lose its international air services. Although not complete yet, building an expressway/motorway from Hamilton to AKL will not have helped. T
101 777ER : Was small cracks also the problem? Wonder if a certain Hamilton counselor will announce a boycot VA campaign like what happened when NZ stopped its i
102 Post contains links 777ER : Another AKL-SYD flight was forced to turn back this morning after problems with its air con caused the pilots to be concerned with fuel levels. The sa
103 ZKSUJ : Any update on the 1900s? I heard roumers about how long it will take to fix but I'm not sure what to believe
104 alangirvan : So, wonder how long Dunedin will hang on to its Trans Tasman services? HLZ is possibly just a bit too close to Auckland compared with the five hour dr
105 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ Is there demand for more Trans Tasman routes? Honestly, I don't think there is. The ones that already operate aren't exactly overflowing with deman
106 alangirvan : This is where One Market would make a difference. SmartGates at the larger airports are not the answer, they just allow faster processing in the bigge
107 aerorobnz : Nope. There are cities in New Zealand that would barely even qualify for domestic flights overseas, let alone international. The population is just n
108 IndianicWorld : Supply and demand. The more capacity going into the main hubs, the niche routes will suffer. +1. For a country the size f NZ, it has enough airports
109 mariner : The trouble is, the E190 doesn't work financially in a low fare/high fuel cost environment. The study done by Republic in 2011 - with Frontier's aver
110 zkojq : Thankyou. According to the New Zealand Olympic Team's facebook page: most athletes, coaches and officials arrived home on NZ38 and SQ321. SQ321 is th
111 NZ107 : People reported over the radio that some were landing at 11am which points to SQ285.
112 zkojq : Ok, that will be 9V-SWP then.
113 Post contains links 777ER : Hamilton's hopes lie on Jetstar to replace lost carrier - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...on-Jetstar-to-replace-lost-carrier
114 alangirvan : My recent trip to Australia was my first visit since I left in early 2006. The routing was via AKL, which turned out to be hardly more expensive than
115 777ER : Works deluxe is basically just a watered down version IMO of Business on an A320 (minus the business seats) but with an economy offering. If you want
116 mariner : I was on a 767 AKL-PER and Works De Luxe was great for me - good value for money, and better value for money than Virgin Australia's Premium Economy.
117 alangirvan : I was quite happy with the space on the 777, but the IFE was not as easy to use as the same equipment on the A320 a couple of weeks earlier. And that
118 Post contains links 777ER : A JQ flight into ZQN is under investigation after an unsafe arrival http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...Jetstar-flight-under-investigation
119 zkojq : According to their facebook page, it looks like Air New Zealand has a hobbit based safety video on the way - due to 'premier' in November. I hope it i
120 777ER : Anything will *fingers crossed* be better then their current one. I was on one of the first flights in July that had the new safety video and many pa
121 cchan : Watched the new safety video on my RAR flights in July. The video is basically a mess, and does not convey the safety messages clearly. Also there ar
122 Post contains links LoveNZ : Although not a New Zealand airline FJ (though they are neighbours who fly here) have released an initial branding image: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bus
123 777ER : Not convinced with the new logo, maybe that will change when its seen in person on the A330s
124 nz747 : I agree, a bit disappointing really coming from the colourful yellow orange magenta and blue. I've heard one person discribe the logo as looking like
125 motorhussy : I'm interviewing the FJ Chief Exec tomorrow about this and will post a link to the article.
126 HLZCPH : I read elsewhere that an Emirates 77W (A6-ECF) went tech in AKL after arriving from MEL on the 16/8. Does anyone know any details regarding this? Chee
127 aerorobnz : All I know is that it stayed here for 3 days and left with 20 POB.
128 Post contains links zkojq : And it flew back direct to Dubai....that is ~8800nm! http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/20...8/first-auckland-dubai-direct.html
129 WSTAKL : and no doubt the dreaded 10 abreast Y cabin stayed empty for the duration of this flight!!
130 b767erwinglets : Anyone know the rego for NZ123 tomorrow (22/08) AKL MEL???? Think it comes in as NZ001 from LHR/LAX and carries onto MEL. I have a nice J class seat o
131 aerorobnz : Last I checked it was a 772. I think ZKOKE. Still possible for aircraft change though
132 b767erwinglets : Can't be, still showing as a 777-300 in reservations and seat map allows seating for premium pax in economy class ....... Hope it's not the 772.... Su
133 777ER : Why would it be a disappointment if its a B772? I've flowen J on a B772 to/from AKL and LAX and found the seat to be very comfy for a 12-13 hour flig
134 motorhussy : Okay, Pflieger ended up in transit so I spoke to Comm's Manager Shane Hussein. The brown background is a very traditional brown used for dying Masi (
135 NZ107 : I was going to start calling it the Tapa cloth plane too (same context, though wrong language haha).. Now here's the wait to see how much of the plan
136 b767erwinglets : You were completely right. It was ZK-OKE. Full apology to you....Wont every question you again....:@) However I was disappointed to be very honest in
137 b767erwinglets : Refer to my post above.. The B772 in J class was terrible.... Sorry, old and worn out in the inside. Not what I would have expected of J class. The B
138 NZ107 : They are. Probably just trying to find a time where they can reduce capacity in order to get one sent away for refitting at a time.
139 koruman : I recently flew Business Premier on both the 777-200ER and the 777-300ER. To be honest, now that the catering has been dumbed down on the 77W I can ba
140 NZ1 : There is a plan in place though I am not able to divulge what or when just yet. A lot will depend on the economic outlook over the next wee while. NZ
141 sunrisevalley : This sounds very much as if the business is being managed with a focus on results for the next reporting period . A sure fire recipe for disaster ove
142 NZ107 : Any update yet/changes regarding the ATR 72-600 delivery/schedule?
143 gasman : Well, everything is relative. The 772 cabins are getting a bit worn and tired, but things haven't reached an unacceptable point (yet). I recently fle
144 DavidByrne : I was looking at Departed Flights tonight when I saw that NZ had five flights a week LHR-LAX in October 1996, of which four were 742s, and one a 763.
145 PA515 : Strange. I can only confirm the Air NZ Timetable has five 742's LHR-LAX 4 Oct to 31 Oct 1996, 1620/1930 Mo Th Fr Sa Su 747. If for some reason there
146 DavidByrne : A postcript to this - Airline Routes today has a history of NZ's London operations, being the 30th anniversary, and it agrees with you. Interestingly
147 NZ107 : 3 Oct 2000 was 2 days after the Closing Ceremony of the Sydney Olympics so I wouldn't be surprised if a 744 was used for some kind of charter/ac swap
148 Post contains links PA515 : This summer Air NZ is adding a fifth daily AKL-ZQN-AKL Dec to Mar. http://www.nzx.com/companies/AIR/announcements/226467 Also, Thursday is the Air NZ
149 ZKOJH : Lets hope Thursday is not a bad day for numbers hope they don't go -NZ$ and end the year in the red like a lot of other airlines have.
150 aerorobnz : the Herald said yesterday that according to some aviation analysts they were predicting between 45-63 Million profit, but that the international long
151 sunrisevalley : But hasn't this been the case off and on for a number of financial years?
152 koruman : It's unfortunate that the company continues to retain as proprietary information details about: 1. The financial performance of North America service
153 sunrisevalley : So are you suggesting the incoming management is going to rubber stamp the outgoing managements proclivities? I think you might find that M. Luzon ma
154 WSTAKL : I'm still waiting for the long haul review report.......
155 sunrisevalley : I am going to lead off... research from where in the USA (SFO/LAX/IAH ) a service should be started to MAN. If it is SFO/LAX put a dedicated 789 on t
156 kiwiandrew : I understand what you are saying, but I question whether NZ has the scale to be able to run two different configurations of 77Es. I think it would wr
157 cchan : I doubt if this is ever going to be released.
158 DavidByrne : Sorry, I don't understand why it's "unfortunate", as you suggest. Surely this is all commercially very valuable information that NZ's competitors wou
159 ZKOJH : Some Numbers of PAX's loads for NZ for July, Air New Zealand passenger numbers stable – traffic highlights for Jul-2012: Passenger numbers: 1.1 mill
160 koruman : David, which competitors are those? These are all monopoly routes.
161 aerorobnz : AKL features on a number of airline's 'wish lists' already (given the right conditions), the last thing NZ is going to want is add competition - they
162 sunrisevalley : Smart thinking! Boeing updated their ACAP sheets on the 787 series last month and now provide cabin cross section dimensions. The 787 at 9-across is
163 koruman : Anyone fancy a guess as to the survival of key routes after the results announcement tomorrow? I think that there are three routes at risk. These are
164 ZKOJH : well something would have to give if they want to open up another US port, maybe axe PVG? there already putting the 763 on it, re-enter when they have
165 cchan : These probably won't go before KIX. If NZ wants to axe LHR, they would have announced it earlier this year when they announced other cut backs.
166 Kaiarahi : Does anyone know how to book AKL-YOW-AKL on the NZ website? If I try to do it on the Canadian site (where YOW is selectable), it throws me to the NZ s
167 ZKOJH : ok so the number's are out, better then what was expected really in such a hard time Air NZ Expects to More Than Double Earnings in 2013 8:30am, 30 Au
168 aerorobnz : Yes it is a good effort considering QF & VAs profits in particular. Of course I am never 100% content (in all aspects of life) so I think there i
169 Post contains links ZKOJH : interesting read in the herald tho regarding the news; The shares climbed 8.4 per cent to 97 cents, the highest level since November 30, ''"New Zealan
170 ZKOJH : Well I spoke too soon, seems NZ are giving the Japan route a break for a couple of months, ''Air New Zealand Temporary Suspends Osaka Service April
171 Post contains links 777ER : Open skies policy for new airlines at CHC - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/rebu...Extra-air-services-cleared-to-land
172 TravellerPlus : Any thoughts on how the proposed code share between QF and EK might affect Tasman routes? Where would competition increase or decrease? Could we see Q
173 cchan : My guess is that they won't codeshare on trans Tasman flights.
174 TravellerPlus : "My guess is that they won't codeshare on trans Tasman flights." I have read they intend to. It makes sense to codeshare on the Tasman as EK has fligh
175 NZ6 : Okay so the results are out, we can look at QF and VA for comparisons. NZ has grown and has added new routes DPS, MRO PEK has gone but only to focus o
176 aerorobnz : Yes, which brings me to this --> And this is what the QF/EK arrangement would be too. QF would concentrate on the morning and early afternoon, lea
177 ZK-NBT : I doubt they would drop PVG but they shouldn't need to to open another say US port. Send 763s to PVG and NRT like they are starting to do more, even
178 rendezvous : Does anyone know why ANZ2 into Heathrow just now is squawking 7700? ZK-OKP.
179 cainanuk : Flight radar 24 on Android perhaps? I just got notified of that one as well. It was squawking 7600 an hour or so ago off the coast of Scotland. Whatev
180 PA515 : For someone who says they work for Air NZ, and who usually refers to having access to confidential company information to put down others, you could
181 Post contains images aerorobnz : Is MRO not a new route as well as MCY...?? I know we are talking about international flights, still LOLed at your comment though...
182 ZKSUJ : Another thread said they suspect hydraulic problems, came in with all the gear doors open
183 Zkpilot : It's possible that EK will operate less flights to SYD/MEL/BNE if QF starts up flights to DXB. Less flights to those ports means less flights across
184 koruman : I'm not sure what to make of it. It might lower Air NZ's Tasman yields further though, after the hit they have already taken with Seats To Suit. The
185 NZ107 : I'm not really sure why they'd want this route.. I mean the vast majority who fly EK to NZ do so without stopping over in Australia. And Adelaide isn
186 NZ6 : Oh dear, not everyone in the company uses city codes on a daily basis (if at all). I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not? In fact some parts o
187 Post contains links zkojq : Somewhat relevant: Etihad bought 10% of Virgin Australia today. This will make Etihad Virgin Australia's second largest foreign shareholder after Air
188 PA515 : Nice try, but no apology warranted. Your comments were about the 2012 Annual Results Announcement. Masterton (MRO) commenced in Feb 2009. PA515
189 Post contains links and images eta unknown : I think there was a brief shortage that year with ZK-TGA leased in- only remembered as I flew LAX-HNL on it (flight continued on to RAR-AKL). View La
190 ZKSUJ : I noticed the air points accural has reduced again. I earned $5 air points on a domestic flight last week, used to be 16
191 ZKOJH : R.E airpoints Well they think there doing a good job with it, according to the annual results made to the NZSX last week, ''Airpoints membership up 19
192 gemuser : Third largest, unless SRB's Virgin has reduced their 25%. In fact with SRB @ 25%, NZ @ 15% & Etihad @ 10% = 50% there can be no other foregin sha
193 WSTAKL : I wonder if this is due to promo code NZ emailed out for free membership to Airpoints and everyone passed it around social media sites.
194 texan : Flights to Antarctica will resume. My understanding is that Qantas will operate charter sightseeing flights to Antarctica from Auckland. Not sure of t
195 Post contains links NZ1 : The Antarctic flights will be operated by a QF subsidary. Link here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new...ticle.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=10831635 NZ1
196 NZ107 : There are only usually about 2 from Australia each year so I wouldn't expect there to be more than one a year. And yes, flying it in winter wouldn't
197 texan : Looks like the plan is for Feb only right now. Texan
198 Post contains images zkojq : Has the delivery date of the first ATR72-600 been confirmed? If the date is still intended to be in October we should expect to see it images of it at
199 777ER : I find it interesting that the AKL flights are more expensive compared to the Australian flights! Business Class (Ice Class) ex AKL is well over $900
200 WSTAKL : Can anyone confirm that the EK412/413 Auckland leg has been cancelled on Thursday 6th? Friend was booked on this flight and has been re-booked. Someth
201 ZK-NBT : I believe this is the case yes. I take it you mean most people flying EK from DXB or Europe to NZ don't stop in OZ for a day or 2?! Since all EK flig
202 Mr AirNZ : Umm...they don't need an excuse? They have priced their fares no doubt at what they think the market will pay. If they are wrong and demand is weaker
203 Post contains links ZKSUJ : http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...Wing-damage-nothing-to-worry-about More JQ bashing which was not called for. The media really should write stor
204 Post contains links sunrisevalley : For those who are interested... NZ's first 789. Also, a report last week raised the possibility that the 789 could weigh in less than the planned weig
205 Kiwinlondon : It would be a shame if EK quit AKL with the possible QF/EK tie up.
206 NZ107 : I really wouldn't expect it, especially considering they've just spent so much building that brand new lounge in AKL. However, it'd open up WLG to EK
207 WSTAKL : With all the buzz and hype surrounding the EK/QF partnership, what are the chances NZ could go down a similar path with *insert airline here* in the f
208 Zkpilot : If the government sells down its NZ stake some then I expect EY to buy a 10-20% holding like how they have just done with VA and with other airlines
209 aerorobnz : VA is the carrier they will focus on that kind of arrangement with for the timebeing. As is the theme worldwide, codeshare/airshare partners are incr
210 WSTAKL : Having a look on flightradar24 and noticed a 762 belonging to Aramco Associated heading to AKL. Anyone know the reason for the visit? Before looking o
211 Post contains images zkojq : Ive been thinking that too. I don't think they will be buying just for Air New Zealand, but also for Air New Zealand's Stake in Virgin Australia whic
212 gasman : I'm not sure why this occurred to me, but does the EK/QF merger change the playing field in terms of a competitor to NZ on the AKL-LAX route?
213 NZ107 : I don't see how it affects NZ on AKL-LAX; apart from the fact that the growing number of disillusioned Airpoints members who are defecting might see
214 Post contains links srbmod : Please continue the discussion here: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 119 (by PA515 Sep 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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