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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 118  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 25087 times:
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Welcome to the #118th Edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. In thread #117 New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117 (by cchan Jul 7 2012 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- New Zealand residents paying more for NZ flights compared to Australians, UK residents
- AKL-HKG-LHR flight number change
- NZs B763s J class
- NZs 'One up' programme has launched
- NZ drops down Skytrax's worlds best airlines list
- NZ announce 'Hobbit' planes are coming! A B772 and B77W will be painted into Hobbit colours for the Hobbit movies
- ATR 72-600 first delivery will be a special livery......All Black design
- NZs special livery fleet
- New Zealand Emergency diversion airports
- Eagle Airs 1900D fleet replacements
- HA announce AKL-HNL 3x per week from Mach 2013
- NZs changing its livery.....black tail with white Koru
- NZs first B789 delivery will seat 300 pax for Asian routes
- Zest Air (Phillipines) announces its intention to launch AKL services
- NZs changing LAX terminals in 2014 with NZ building a new Star Alliance lounge in TBIT
- FedEx are coming to AKL with a once weekly MD11 service starting this weekend

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 25106 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 217):
Quoting koruman (Reply 216):
my past as a loyal Air NZ passenger and I respect their staff hugely
Quoting koruman (Reply 216):
Air NZ's marvellous staff have worked hard for years to create a top quality airline, an airline which many of us would go out of our way to fly when there were more convenient or more affordable alternatives.

Thats why it would be a shame, front line staff who have and still do go the extra mile (They have for me in the past many times when I traveled as a passenger). I do accept though that staff service is only part of the overall picture

Fully agree that the staff deserve better! The best two memorys I've got of NZs staff was AKL-LAX in Christmas 2010. I was booked in Y and managed to get a seat in the first two rows with a couple in their 50s/60s beside me. An FA from Business/Premium Economy came to my seat before push back and welcomed me by my first name and handed me a J/Y+ headphones as well as an in-flight bag that J pax get as there were spares in J. Shortly after take off the same FA came back to my row and asked the couple beside me if they would like two rows to themselfs further down the back to sleep during the flight. They accepted her offer and she said they were welcome to return to their original seats before landing to enable them to be one of the first Y pax to get off in LAX. After showing the couple to their new seats, the FA returned to my row and thanked me for flying with Air NZ today. Before she returned to J/Y+ she asked me if there was any wine I would like with my meal that wasn't offered in Y or if I would like a breakfast smoothie before breakfast. Naturally I happily accepted both.

In July 2010 returning from SFO, my in-coming UA flight from DEN was very late, after running like mad to the NZ gate, the gate agents re-opened the gate to allow 5 more pax on. On board NZ7 I had a medical emergency before push back which resulted in the aircraft being delayed an extra 30mins as the captain didn't want to take off till I had improved. Finally while taxiing to the runway, one of the FAs stayed with me till the very last minute as I was in J before she needed to take her seat. During the flight FAs frequently stopped and asked how I was. Needless to say after arriving back home I contacted NZ and thanked them

Service like this when front line staff go beyond whats expected of them is what makes an airline


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 24866 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Eagle Airs 1900D fleet replacements

Interesting topic. What will be the replacement? Some say the Q200 may be a go as Bombardier may be willing to repoen the line, what about the Brasillia?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):

Yep, thats exactly what I mean. But if the company do get pushed down to 3 stars, I hope they will wake up and claw back some ground. Like Koruman says, many people on here give the impression of 'slagging off the carrier' but in fact they just want NZ to improve and do well


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 24800 times:

NZ's done a nice piece of Olympic PR in flying Nick Willis' aunt to London tomorrow to watch him run the 1500m...

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland...o-have-special-supporter-in-london



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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 24689 times:

How closely do you NZ staffer's examine your payslips?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu.../Overpaid-Air-NZ-worker-keeps-cash


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24623 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 4):
How closely do you NZ staffer's examine your payslips?

Yea I saw that story aswell, interesting story. Some may say some bad press for NZ as a result?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24586 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 2):
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):Eagle Airs 1900D fleet replacements
Interesting topic. What will be the replacement? Some say the Q200 may be a go as Bombardier may be willing to repoen the line, what about the Brasillia?

Previous thread mostly discussed ATR42 and 72 as a future fleet due to the 72-600 order


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24570 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
Previous thread mostly discussed ATR42 and 72 as a future fleet due to the 72-600 order

The ATR 42 IMO is too close to the DHC8 in terms of capacity.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 24346 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):
The ATR 42 IMO is too close to the DHC8 in terms of capacity.

The manufacturers have to recognise that there is no replacement for the various 19-40 seat fleets around the world - the Twin Otter, Do.228, Emb Bandit & Brasilia, Saab 340, Beech 1900, BA J31 & J41 plus some others that I've forgotten including the various former Soviet builds. Must be well over a thousand that will need some form of imminent or near term replacement?!

NZ's B1900D's are just one of these types.



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 24335 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 4):
How closely do you NZ staffer's examine your payslips?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...-cash

Having just read this, I hope the airline has sacked a few of its HR team and finance/payroll people.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 24304 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 9):

I've been following this since the first news article IIRC last year and IMHO the employee did everything correct in trying to figure out what his correct pay was and NZ 100% stuffed up. Really happy the courts have awarded the win to the employee and not NZ!

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 8):

Some airlines (Great Lakes Aviation USA for example) don't operate anything bigger then a 50 seater and their business fully needs a replacement aircraft in the same markets. Will be interesting to see how this replacement needs go! Will the builders agree to re-opening an aircraft line if they still have the tools required (Bombardier Q100, 200, 300 for example). Maybe Eagle and Air Nelson will be given no option but to merge operations if the 1900D can't be fully replaced or could we see Eagle move to Q200 ops if Bombardier agree to build some Q200s for NZ. I'm sure other airlines like AC would happily jump on some new Q200s if given the chance


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 24187 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Will the builders agree to re-opening an aircraft line if they still have the tools required (Bombardier Q100, 200, 300 for example).

Threads elsewhere have identified that the Brasilia is still potentially orderable (presumably given a certain minimum order size) as it is built on the same production line as the ERJ-135 and -145. Having said that, I don't know if any have been built since production "ceased", or whether it's just an A-net myth. And I've no idea whether the Brasilia would be a really suitable replacement, or whether it's the only "new" aircraft available.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24062 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Some airlines (Great Lakes Aviation USA for example) don't operate anything bigger then a 50 seater and their business fully needs a replacement aircraft in the same markets. Will be interesting to see how this replacement needs go! Will the builders agree to re-opening an aircraft line if they still have the tools required (Bombardier Q100, 200, 300 for example). Maybe Eagle and Air Nelson will be given no option but to merge operations if the 1900D can't be fully replaced or could we see Eagle move to Q200 ops if Bombardier agree to build some Q200s for NZ. I'm sure other airlines like AC would happily jump on some new Q200s if given the chance

The problem being that such operators have wafer thin profit margins and thus will find it difficult to buy/lease new aircraft. As pretty much all sub 50 seater airlines are no longer in production, whoever brings a new clean-sheet design to production will have a monopoly on the market. Hopefully this should be enough of an incentive for Bombardier or Embraer (or possibly ATR/Alenia) to develop something for this segment sometime in the future.



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User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23989 times:

China Airlines to go Daily into AKL
Effective Oct 29th CI will add 4 flights per week AKL-SYD-TPE.
Days 1,3,4,6 CI52 will operate AKL-SYD-TPE
DAys 2,5,7 CI54 will operate AKL-BNE-TPE
With A330-300 aircraft


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23984 times:

Update on FEDEX schedule for this Sunday 5th Aug
FX75 LAX-HNL-AKL-SYD-NRT
ETA AKL 1700 ETD AKL 1830


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23985 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 13):
Quoting nascarnut (Reply 14):

Thanks a lot for the updates! Good to see another carrier on AKL-SYD.. Might try them out sometime.



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 23897 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Service like this when front line staff go beyond whats expected of them is what makes an airline

It is certainly possible to have an overwhelmingly positve 'cabin crew' experience on NZ. My best experiences (I won't bore you with details) surpass anything encountered on any other carrier - including SQ, which I find the most consistently reliable in terms of cabin crew professionalism.

The key word is 'consistently'- and this I think is where NZ has always struggled. While my most positve cabin crew experiences have been with NZ; so too have my most negative. New Zealand culture struggles with conveying and enforcing specific workplace expectations in terms of personal pride and professionalism, and Air NZ is no excpetion. Most people have integrity and conduct themselves with professionalism anyway. The cohort that don't, unfortunately let the whole side down without any particular personal consequence.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23715 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Will the builders agree to re-opening an aircraft line if they still have the tools required (Bombardier Q100, 200, 300 for example).

Well, Bombardier ceased production of the Q200 and Q300 because they wanted to up the production of the Q400 without expanding the factory. Now Q400 orders have dried up and production has dropped off.

There seems to be a good second hand market for Q300's with recent builds being snapped up for conversion to Maritime Surveillance. Air NZ could probably sell NFB and NFI for about what they paid and get more ATR72-600's.

PA515


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 23532 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Really happy the courts have awarded the win to the employee and not NZ!

Agreed! And would not be surprised if this brings about a very well justified civil suit against NZ for unfair dismissal, loss of dignity, loss of earnings etc. Well done HR and payroll.

On the 789 configuration subject, do you think NZ will do a Y+ and Y only version for regional and leisure destinations? Or will it be some weird regional Biz like an updated version of that on the 763's? Presumably there will be a three class version on the LHR and North America bound 789's; NRT too?



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 23519 times:
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The winner of the best employer in Wellington is.......Air NZ! http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...s-best-employer-is-Air-New-Zealand

User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 23513 times:

Which type of aircraft do the Japanese charters ?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 23475 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 20):

B763s


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 23430 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 18):
On the 789 configuration subject, do you think NZ will do a Y+ and Y only version for regional and leisure destinations?

Highly doubt it. Although S2S is taking over, I'm sure they still want their J revenue on the long haul flights. Y+ just doesn't cut it; or at least it's not enough of a premium product compared to J to allow NZ to drop J.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 23417 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):

I believe the B77Ws Y+ product with better seat paddings would do the trick as a J product on leisure/regional routes since the first B789s are replacing the B763s on Asian routes. The B77W seat is more better IMHO as it provides pax with better privacy for single flyers.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 23412 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
since the first B789s are replacing the B763s on Asian routes

But how many sectors do 763's fly in a week to Asia? My impression is not that many.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 23544 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 24):

But how many sectors do 763's fly in a week to Asia? My impression is not that many.

DPS, PVG, KIX, NRT.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):

Still far from sufficient, especially when CX start the A359 on the AKL-HKG route with the new product that is far superior (apart from Y+ at this stage) to NZ's product. You'll lose all your business travellers and actually be left to scrap out the low yielders.



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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 23382 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 25):

Has it been confirmed that CX will fly the A359 to AKL? Can't find any info.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 23600 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 26):

The A359 has been slated to replace the A343 fleet. So unless they decide on swapping aircraft to the 77W or something, AKL will get the A359.



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 23542 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 25):
Still far from sufficient, especially when CX start the A359 on the AKL-HKG route with the new product that is far superior (apart from Y+ at this stage) to NZ's product. You'll lose all your business travellers and actually be left to scrap out the low yielders.

I was never suggesting HKG is a leisure market and think it will undoubtedly require a J equipped 789 service. In fact, when the global economy kicks into proper recovery, I could imagine the AKL-HKG-LHR requiring a 77W. The leisure (or less business focused) regional markets I was talking about are those like KIX, DPS, HNL. A sub-fleet of 789's configured in Y+ and Y only would help maximise NZ's load factors in these markets IMHO. Similar to VS's new leisure appointed A333's with Y+ and Y only.

I'd see NRT and HKG as requiring J still. Not sure of PVG's or PER's load factors in J but believe that it will only increase in biz market terms and therefore premium traffic.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):

Eek, did not know Seats to Suit was being applied in long-haul.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 23555 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 28):

Eek, did not know Seats to Suit was being applied in long-haul.

Well look at the way it's going. If DPS and HNL are both now S2S destinations, who's to say that it'll be rolled out to a bigger market at least by the time the 787 arrives? Japan and China might be next. That is, of course, unless Luxon has a huge strategy turnaround and sends things in a completely different direction.


I just don't see NZ dumping J or needing to dump J from the 787 and I figured HKG may be up for 787 use. And nor do I see AKL-HKG-LHR being able to be sustained year round by a 77W (still need at least one more 77W too for that to happen). I think that the market conditions are much different to what VS is facing over the Atlantic. There's heaps of competition there compared to NZ's monopoly over many of these routes. And since VS started off as a LCC type airline, there are probably many people out there still thinking that they are.. Or the people who fly F/J would select another airline regardless anyway. I'm sure NZ can still sell some J seats and I believe that the revenue from selling them would remain more beneficial to the airline than stripping J and filling it in with more Y seats.

With so few 787s, I don't see the point of having different configurations.. It means that you're less flexible when it comes to aircraft changes - a big deal if you've booked J and end up in Y+ because your plane went tech. And that person will probably avoid NZ as much as they can. There's a chance it could be viable with a bigger fleet size but obviously NZ's far too small to be doing such a thing.



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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 859 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 23483 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 18):

There are elements to the case that have not been reported in the media. The individual concerned may have rightly won his case but one should ask why he was not also seeking reinstatement.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 23402 times:
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Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 31):
The individual concerned may have rightly won his case but one should ask why he was not also seeking reinstatement

Often people don't want reinstatement if they feel the working relationship has been damaged beyond repair. It is not actually all that unusual not to seek reinstatement. Whether I felt I had done anything wrong or not I would probably prefer to move on after something like this.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 23379 times:

This is from Monday night but still related to this thread,

''Flight delay after tarmac cracks found''

A Los Angeles-bound Air New Zealand flight from Auckland was delayed by more than four hours after cracks were found on the tarmac underneath the aircraft last night.

Auckland International Airport spokesperson Richard Llewellyn said the cracks were found just beyond the push back area, where aircraft come into the airport terminal.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10823191



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 23322 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
I figured HKG may be up for 787 use.

NZ stated that the North Asia will get the 789 first, and the examples being quoted are NRT, KIX and PVG. All of these 3 destinations will be served by 763s in the near future, if not presently. While most airlines would put HKG as part of their North Asia destinations, HKG has not been mentioned by NZ to be among the first to get the 789. It would be interesting what aircraft will operate AKL-HKG-LHR in the medium term. Counting the number of 789s order, it is insufficient to replace 2x 744, 5x 763 and 8x 77E. I suspect the 4 owned 77E will remain in the fleet for medium-long term, and AKL-HKG-LHR will stay with 77E.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 23306 times:

It has just been announced today from end of March next year, all daily PVG services will be operated by B767 exclusively. KIX will lose its direct service from the same time as well. All KIX flight will be via NRT until end of June.

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 23350 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 34):
It has just been announced today from end of March next year, all daily PVG services will be operated by B767 exclusively.

Hmmm, wonder what happens with the 772 capacity freed up by this change. Isn't it currently 5 times weekly on the PVG service? Should make K'man happy for once  



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 23114 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 25):
Still far from sufficient, especially when CX start the A359 on the AKL-HKG route with the new product that is far superior (apart from Y+ at this stage) to NZ's product. You'll lose all your business travellers and actually be left to scrap out the low yielders.

HKG is NZs biggest Asian market and currently has a LHR service. With this LHR service I highly doubt NZ would put a leisure config B789 on HKG-LHR. IMO expect to see either a B772 or B77W on the route till the premium B789s arrive


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2990 posts, RR: 28
Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 23129 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 33):
NZ stated that the North Asia will get the 789 first

So what happens with SFO - 744s indefinitely? Will the 744s be getting black asses (I suppose we should be happy the fleet is not getting asses the colour of any of Fyfe's shirts)?



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 month ago) and read 23062 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 28):
I could imagine the AKL-HKG-LHR requiring a 77W.
Quoting 777ER (Reply 36):
With this LHR service I highly doubt NZ would put a leisure config B789 on HKG-LHR. IMO expect to see either a B772 or B77W on the route till the premium B789s arrive

I believe NZ cannot operate the 77W HKG-LHR in the same way they operate the 77E on this route. It has to do with the one-engine out performance over part of the airway that they choose to use from HKG. With the 77W's as they are they would need to fly an alternate (longer) airway with its higher operating and airways fee costs.
If you go into FlightAware you can compare the track of a CX 77W and a NZ 77E. The CX track is longer and much more of it is in Russian airspace which is said to be expensive.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23024 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 38):
I believe NZ cannot operate the 77W HKG-LHR in the same way they operate the 77E on this route. It has to do with the one-engine out performance over part of the airway that they choose to use from HKG. With the 77W's as they are they would need to fly an alternate (longer) airway with its higher operating and airways fee costs.

There's a 77W HKG-LHR 0825/1405 on the 2nd Nov. The elapsed time is the same as for the 77E, but 40 mins earlier to allow it to depart as NZ1 at 1535.

Will be interesting to see if it takes a different track across China and Russia. Mark it on your calendar Hugh.

PA515

[Edited 2012-08-03 08:43:40]

User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 859 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22855 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 31):
Often people don't want reinstatement if they feel the working relationship has been damaged beyond repair. It is not actually all that unusual not to seek reinstatement. Whether I felt I had done anything wrong or not I would probably prefer to move on after something like this.

Very true and a good point you raise. What I meant to say wasn't 'I think' there is more at play here, but rather there is more to the story. Brookfields have actually published some information so as it is well in truely in the public domain now I will quote a passage from the link that follows.

"Air New Zealand terminated Mr Foai's employment in July 2009 for misconduct not related to the overpayment issue."

As is so often the case, the media only ran half the story.
http://www.brookfields.co.nz/newsroo...mployment/employee_overpayment.asp


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22818 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 35):
Hmmm, wonder what happens with the 772 capacity freed up by this change. Isn't it currently 5 times weekly on the PVG service? Should make K'man happy for once

PVG will be daily from end of Jan 13 with a mixture of 772 and 763. The daily 767 service will revert back to 2x763 and 5x772 from end of Jun 13. I wonder if that means DPS will be back next year.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5320 posts, RR: 11
Reply 42, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22806 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 35):
Hmmm, wonder what happens with the 772 capacity freed up by this change. Isn't it currently 5 times weekly on the PVG service?

Currently 5 weekly PVG 772s, reducing to 2 weekly in November then back to 3 in January when it first goes daily. The 744s are due for C checks next year so they will each be out for 2-3 weeks. SFO sees 3 744s and 2 772s currently showing in April May, they are considering additional flights to North America so maybe it could be daily overall but that is the slowest time of year. Maybe 772s to HNL over winter with HA in the market.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 36):
HKG is NZs biggest Asian market and currently has a LHR service.

Is it really the biggest? I'd say most important yes but I would have thought PVG and NRT would have more O&D traffic.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 34):

It has just been announced today from end of March next year, all daily PVG services will be operated by B767 exclusively. KIX will lose its direct service from the same time as well. All KIX flight will be via NRT until end of June.

That seems plausible to me.

Quoting cchan (Reply 33):
Counting the number of 789s order, it is insufficient to replace 2x 744, 5x 763 and 8x 77E. I suspect the 4 owned 77E will remain in the fleet for medium-long term, and AKL-HKG-LHR will stay with 77E.

I wouldn't have thought they would have been planning on getting rid of any 772s just yet. 10 789s to replace 2 744s and 5 763s, sure 1 or 2 772s could leave but I'd have my doubts as they are planning some new services with 787s.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 37):
So what happens with SFO - 744s indefinitely?

Unless somewhere like NRT rebounds enough I'd say they will leave the 744s on SFO.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 27):
The A359 has been slated to replace the A343 fleet. So unless they decide on swapping aircraft to the 77W or something, AKL will get the A359.

77Ws would still be possible in the interim atleast and AKL could also see the A351 seasonally. This year it looks like both flights are A343s, we may have seen the last CX 744 in AKL.  


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22693 times:

They have just Pulled out of PEK to boost up PVG ' this is basically the gold mine of China' but going all 763's on it is a Hugh risk ! so much will be lost, the product on the 763 for a 12 hr flight is not up to it,!, and have heard from some good sources within PVG that China Eastern are looking very high at flying to AKL and using there flights from LHR to gain the market, something similar to what CZ have done.

NZ should have taken some options up on extra T7's now there playing musical chairs with old chairs!



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22693 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 43):
and have heard from some good sources within PVG that China Eastern are looking very high at flying to AKL and using there flights from LHR to gain the market, something similar to what CZ have done.

It's only a matter of time in my opinion before MU and CA enter the market. Just watch how Chinese airlines are doing to all major ports in Australia.

Take SYD-PVG as an example, QF used to charge nearly $2000 on this route and never seemd to have sales. With the recent mass expansion of Chinese airlines, QF now constantly run promotions for a return fare of ony $800.

I think it would be suiside for NZ to introduce S2S on PVG as some have suggested here.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 45, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22699 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 42):
77Ws would still be possible in the interim atleast and AKL could also see the A351 seasonally.

I would love it if they brought their new 3-class 77W (J, Y+, Y) to AKL but they simply don't have enough in hand or on order. They're prioritising and obviously AKL isn't as high yielding as the likes of the European ports CX flies to. Once North America goes all 77W, the new configured planes will push onto LHR and Europe to replace the 744s but it's still insufficient to cover for the A343 fleet.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5320 posts, RR: 11
Reply 46, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 22615 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 44):
It's only a matter of time in my opinion before MU and CA enter the market. Just watch how Chinese airlines are doing to all major ports in Australia.

MU seems more likely to me, they do codeshare with QF though through SYD. CA are in star and codeshare with NZ to PVG and also across the Tasman, maybe they will fly PEK-AKL non stop with a 332?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 45):
I would love it if they brought their new 3-class 77W (J, Y+, Y) to AKL but they simply don't have enough in hand or on order. They're prioritising and obviously AKL isn't as high yielding as the likes of the European ports CX flies to.

How many 3 class 77Ws are CX planning on having? They go to YYZ and YVR currently. There are other routes like AMS and JNB which use 744s seasonally and I think could get 3 class 77Ws along with AKL, as you say though they won't have enough to cover the A343s.

For NZ I wonder if they still plan to do some sort of refit with the 772 fleet? Next winter atleast for April through June long haul may look something like

AKL-LAX-LHR Daily 77W 3 aircraft
AKL-LAX 5 weekly 77W 1.5 aircraft
AKL-SFO 6 weekly 3x 744, 3x 772 (Reverting to 6x 744 from July)
AKL-YVR 3 weekly 772
AKL-HNL 2 weekly 772 (3 weekly from July)
AKL-HKG-LHR Daily (HKG-LHR sector maybe 5 weekly)
AKL-NRT 6 weekly 772 (some services retrun via KIX)
AKL-PVG Daily 763 (Changes to 5 772, 2 763 from July)
AKL-PER Daily 772

Changes happen from July. That uses 7 772s with the SFO 772s going to PVG from July.
Will KIX get its own dedicated service again?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 47, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 22585 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 46):
How many 3 class 77Ws are CX planning on having?

Don't know.. Currently there are 4 - the ones which have arrived brand new since the product was released.. The retrofitted ones are in 4 class config and they have 8 of those. 744s still operate to LHR, AMS, CDG, FRA, SFO, YVR. The YVR-JFK flight is operated by the 4 class one and the 3 class one only goes to YYZ and some JNB flights at the moment.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2990 posts, RR: 28
Reply 48, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22395 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 42):
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 37):
So what happens with SFO - 744s indefinitely?

Unless somewhere like NRT rebounds enough I'd say they will leave the 744s on SFO.

If the 789s all go to Asian routes, as has been announced, how many years will the 744s be kept on SFO - until D check? Assuming the 789s will have a similar hard product to the 77Ws, that will exacerbate product inconsistency.

Has the retrofitting of the 772s been postponed "indefinitely"? The Y+ product is vastly inferior and not worth the premium. I fly through SFO rather than YVR to avoid the 772 and it's infuriating when a 772 gets subbed in to an SFO flight that I booked as a 744. And I've learned over the last couple of years that complaining to NZ customer relations about anything just results in a form letter.



Empty vessels make the most noise.
User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 49, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 22232 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 39):
There's a 77W HKG-LHR 0825/1405 on the 2nd Nov. The elapsed time is the same as for the 77E, but 40 mins earlier to allow it to depart as NZ1 at 1535.

Does this mean that a 77E will operate LAX-LHR on that date or are NZ 2 and 38 not operating on that day


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22222 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 48):
If the 789s all go to Asian routes, as has been announced, how many years will the 744s be kept on SFO - until D check? Assuming the 789s will have a similar hard product to the 77Ws, that will exacerbate product inconsistency.

My guess is that the 744 will be the first type to leave the fleet, and SFO gets the 77E.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 49):
Does this mean that a 77E will operate LAX-LHR on that date or are NZ 2 and 38 not operating on that day

NZ2 departing AKL on 1 Nov is a 77E, which will operate NZ38 when the aircraft reaches LHR.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 51, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22190 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 39):
There's a 77W HKG-LHR 0825/1405 on the 2nd Nov

Any speculation why?


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Reply 52, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22263 times:
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The NZ Herald has somehow gained access to the Air NZ Intranet & Forums. Seems staff are not in favour of the new livery:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10824620

NZ1


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 53, posted (2 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22123 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 52):
Seems staff are not in favour of the new livery:

Would that make a difference to the outcome though?


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (2 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22026 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 52):
The NZ Herald has somehow gained access to the Air NZ Intranet & Forums. Seems staff are not in favour of the new livery:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...24620

Whatever one might think of the black livery, I do agree that the relentless "rugbyfication" of Air New Zealand is try-hard, and fundamentally irrelevant. While I'm sure there's someone somewhere who bought a ticket on NZ because Ritchie McCaw was on the ads; it's probably in fact the same individual who bought a seat & bag fare to OOL because of the side-splitting, table-thumping hilarity of Ricco.

Here's a thought. Market the airline on the basis of the product. The comfortable seats, the route network, the frequent flier program................... hang on a minute, on second thought, does anyone have the Waikato Chiefs' phone number?

 


User currently offlineaerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 55, posted (2 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 21880 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 52):
Seems staff are not in favour of the new livery
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...inerphotos/photos/big/00015306.jpg

Like I said in the previous thread ;
I like the bottom livery, but have the normal nose, and straighten the black tail rather than curving it (kinda like Qantas' red tail, but black), make the Koru much bigger to really fill the black tail, and make the Koru silver, not white, and have the fern curved (like ferns are)... but I like it much better than the original design.

If Air NZ is insistent on going black, there are much more stimulating options that the livery they've gone with.

[Edited 2012-08-04 21:52:33]

[Edited 2012-08-04 21:54:56]


What?
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25173 posts, RR: 85
Reply 56, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 21834 times:
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Quoting aerohottie (Reply 55):
If Air NZ is insistent on going black, there are much more stimulating options that the livery they've gone with.

I associate black with funerals.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 21811 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 56):
I associate black with funerals.

This is true in most cultures I think.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 21827 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 56):
I associate black with funerals.

This livery is not going to impress Asian customers.


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 21826 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 56):
Quoting aerohottie (Reply 55):
If Air NZ is insistent on going black, there are much more stimulating options that the livery they've gone with.

I associate black with funerals.

mariner
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 57):
This is true in most cultures I think.

I don't. I hasten to add I think the black idea is ill-conceived and somewhat cheap - but it doesn't elicit any particular morbid imagery for me. IMHO the livery peaked with the teal "Southern Cross" DC-8; with the 1990's Pacific Wave a very close second.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-N...d=7887123ad6e9db916d1fd4e3cedca2e1

Change the font into something a little less "scholastic" and you've got a winner.


User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 21801 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 59):
1990's Pacific Wave a very close second.

What was the first aircraft painted in this scheme?


User currently offlineaotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21796 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 58):

I'm not so sure.....

Why is it that Air New Zealand staff have difficulty clearing the airline's customers from the ramp at ZQN as they disembark from the two black A320s? I have seen throngs of Asian tourists clamouring to get a good external shot of the black 320s. The aircraft are quite simply a hit. There is absoluttely no indication of anyone 'not being impressed' with this livery.

That said, these frames are great as 'one offs', as the effect of this livery would wear off if the whole fleet was 'all black'.

[Edited 2012-08-05 00:03:50]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25173 posts, RR: 85
Reply 62, posted (2 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21781 times:
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Quoting cchan (Reply 58):
This livery is not going to impress Asian customers.

The Chinese don't use much mourning black, but the Japanese do. The Tongans make it look spectacular:



mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 63, posted (2 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21782 times:

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 60):
What was the first aircraft painted in this scheme?

ZK-NCE


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (2 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21751 times:

Anyone get any pics of the FX MD-11 today?

User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (2 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21731 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 51):
Quoting PA515 (Reply 39):
There's a 77W HKG-LHR 0825/1405 on the 2nd Nov

Any speculation why?

A few threads back someone said it would be ZK-OKQ with the All Blacks going on their UK tour.

PA515

[Edited 2012-08-05 00:08:12]

User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1243 posts, RR: 6
Reply 66, posted (2 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21720 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 58):

This livery is not going to impress Asian customers.
Quoting aotearoa (Reply 61):

What Asian customers choose NZ when they have a choice?
Not many and that's not a dig at NZ that's just the way it is.

Those that come tend to be put on the flight through group discounts or it being the cheapest ticket on offer. Most Cantonese (majority population of Hongkong and for that sake Guangdong province) tend to prefer CX if given a choice. However NZ usually comes in substantially cheaper and thus gains most bookings from the student, VFR crowd while the business crowd chose CX etc.

if Asians ( hmm, not kosher to group together 50% of the worlds population under one banner, Asians, since the cultures are so immensely different) had a choice I think colour of aircraft would come way down on the list. However things such as Asian language capability of staff, Asian food on board etc would be high on the list.

With that said the black livery is dull/boring and I don't understand why NZ would go down this route when their present colours are nice and could be expanded upon instead.
But with the retreat from the pacific, not being the airline of the pacific anymore but only the airline of NZ. I guess with that in mind a change to black might make sense for those thinking black = New Zealand. (ie white/maori kiwis age 30+) That segment of the market isn't growing by the way so you might also ask why they wanna solidify it instead of chasing after the demographic market that really shows growth out of New Zealand but that's another issue altogether.



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Reply 67, posted (2 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21700 times:
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Quoting Andrensn (Reply 60):
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 63):

The first aircraft in the Pacific Wave livery were actually 767-300 ZK-NCM and 737-200 ZK-NAV.

NAV was flown up from CHC under the cover of darkness. NCM's tail was actually one huge decal. The idea was abandoned for subsequent aircraft as the decal started to peel quite badly, necessatating a tail repaint into the teal/blue fade we have to this day.

NZ1


User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 5
Reply 68, posted (2 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21638 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 52):
Seems staff are not in favour of the new livery:

What do you think of the change NZ1?

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 53):
Would that make a difference to the outcome though?

One can only hope so.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 69, posted (2 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 21624 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 64):
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8294/7715890234_349f2331f0_b.jpg
FedEx McDonnell Douglas MD-11 by ANZ787900, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8289/7715889640_d0725bf4a9_b.jpg
FedEx McDonnell Douglas MD-11 by ANZ787900, on Flickr


Horrible lighting conditions this afternoon. But it'll be back.



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2990 posts, RR: 28
Reply 70, posted (2 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21571 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 50):
My guess is that the 744 will be the first type to leave the fleet, and SFO gets the 77E.

That sucks, if true. Both YVR and SFO would have an outdated product with a Y+ that's absolutely not worth the money, while lower yield Asian routes get shiny new 789s. What are they smoking in the NZ exec suite?



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Reply 71, posted (2 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21581 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 68):
What do you think of the change NZ1?

Personally I find it a bit drab and un-inspiring to look at from the photos. May look different in the flesh, but I think an opportunity has been missed to do something special.

NZ1


User currently offlineaerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 72, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21199 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 71):
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 68):
What do you think of the change NZ1?

Personally I find it a bit drab and un-inspiring to look at from the photos. May look different in the flesh, but I think an opportunity has been missed to do something special.

NZ1

Completely agree... 100%!!!



What?
User currently offlinemacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 7
Reply 73, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 21066 times:

Can anyone give the date when FedEx first ceased operations to AKL? I think that it was before 2000. FX had taken over the Flying Tiger Line operation in 1989.


John Macilree
User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 74, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21029 times:

Quoting macilree (Reply 73):
Can anyone give the date when FedEx first ceased operations to AKL?

I believe it was not long after Flying Tiger Line was integrated into their fleet fully. We have only had charters for many years.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4277 posts, RR: 52
Reply 75, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 20613 times:

Mount Tongariro erupted last night and an ash cloud is moving east over New Zealand. The ash cloud is located at about 20,000 feet. This won't affect AKL-WLG flights but could cause disruptions to Gisborne and Napier through midday or early afternoon. Airlines have been advised of the ash and potential danger. Will update if more disruptions occur.

Texan



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 76, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20589 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 75):

Taupo is closed, and a few PMR flights have been affected


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20659 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 76):
Taupo is closed, and a few PMR flights have been affected

Napier (NPE) is also closed all day


User currently offlineBonzoLab From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20496 times:

Hi I'm new but having been following these threads for a while.

Operated around the North Island today. We passed on the upwind side (west) of the VHZ and volcanic sigmet area, no problem at all. Couldn't see Tongariro quite a lot of cloud about the north island. Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Certainly a lot less restrictive today than when that volcano went off in Sth Amercia a while back! Cheers

BonzoLab


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 20407 times:

The NZ Herald is showing that all NZ Beech are grounded due to hairline fractures being found in the tail of one aircraft during maintainance. Looks like its quite a day for regional flyers.


What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 20396 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 79):
The NZ Herald is showing that all NZ Beech are grounded due to hairline fractures being found in the tail of one aircraft during maintainance. Looks like its quite a day for regional flyers.

Here is the official link http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...12-eagle-air-fleet-being-inspected

[Edited 2012-08-06 22:20:05]

User currently offlinegytr31 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2011, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 20359 times:

Stuff and NZHerald reporting too, all be it with a wee bit more drama than the NZ press release of course.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10825275

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7431...acks-ground-Air-New-Zealand-planes

I do love the dramatic picture that NZHerald has used to add drama!


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 20258 times:

Quoting gytr31 (Reply 81):

Makes a change from the usual stock 744 or 777 photo the Herald usually use in regards to any aircraft story!!

[Edited 2012-08-07 00:19:06]

User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 83, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20048 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 82):

Yes, at least it's the right aircraft for a change.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 84, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 19657 times:

Good to hear that some of the 1900s are back in the air. Though from what I gather it seems like quite a few of the fleet are affected and may take a wee while to patch up

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 85, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19627 times:

Just from the press release about TBIT

Quote:
Passengers transiting through Los Angeles on NZ1 and NZ2 will no longer be in a small transit lounge. Instead they’ll be able to quickly clear a more efficient customs processing facility

I read this as that all customers will be processed as arriving passengers without any transit facilities - that may well not be the case, but I think it is ambiguous. If it is true then does it point to terminating services and onward longhaul star connections only in LAX long term? A full arrival clearance between NZ2 sectors would certainly get rid of any AKL-LHR traffic very quickly.

quick question, is anyone else cautious about NZs TBIT plans with regard to NZ2 services given that one sector flights are what have been decided are the best plan of attack...??

LAX has ceased to be a good and popular way to Europe for Y class ever since the 2PC allowance was disposed of. Now there is no advantage to go through LAX at all everyone will just go purely on cost and the convenience of the Asian ports, especially with the 77W product as it currently is compared to competitors.


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19416 times:

Noticed ZK-NBV operating NZ1962 to PPT today. Isn't this usually a 763?

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 87, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19366 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 86):
Noticed ZK-NBV operating NZ1962 to PPT today. Isn't this usually a 763?

It is a TN charter due to their own TN101/102 cancellation due cabin crew industrial action.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19273 times:

Could the move to TBIT be a sign that the NZ002 will not go through to LHR? - it seems that they are willing to send you on LH, and Swiss via Europe, so 2014 we will see 77W's and 787-9's at LAX then! ?  


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 89, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19135 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 88):
Could the move to TBIT be a sign that the NZ002 will not go through to LHR?

Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at in the earlier post....
A big gesture/gimmick (the change of terminals and Carte Blanche on a new Star Lounge) housing a commercial 'trojan horse'. Given the recent track record with both PE & Skycouches glitz and glamour disguising the fact that there was less seat pitch in U and 10 abreast in Y, as well as the other 'trojan horses' within the airpoints scheme and Seats to suit products I'm sure you can understand my cynicism..


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 90, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19137 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 88):
so 2014 we will see 77W's and 787-9's at LAX then! ?

772 would sound more likely than the 789 to LAX.. As long as they get the retrofitting of the 772 underway post haste. But if NZ1/2 did end up going through somewhere like SFO would they send just the 77W on AKL-SFO-LHR or have NZ7/8 still operating beside it?



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineaotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19033 times:

I have an idea.

Perhaps we could consider operating two New Zealand Aviation threads.

One could be named the 'Air New Zealand Cynics thread'. This thread could be where the usual bunch of ANZ malcontents hang out. They could support each others slightly tyesome 'bash everything ANZ does or apparently might be considering doing' view of the world....

Everyone else could then continue to contribute to the NZ Aviation thread and no doubt it could then once again become a place of balanced opinion and debate.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not against anti NZ comment. Just the same old contributors with the same old opinions.

Is this just me, or do others sense this also?


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19012 times:

I know that this isn't civil aviation, but does anyone know which Air Force the Boeing C-17 that flew into Whenuapai yesterday evening belongs to?


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 93, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18983 times:

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 91):
Please don't get me wrong. I'm not against anti NZ comment. Just the same old contributors with the same old opinions.

You presume that any scepticism is automatically 'anti NZ' comment, merely observations based on their individual professional and personal experiences and so there cannot be right or wrong, and so as NZ as a carrier being such a dominant feature of the NZL aviation landscape this is the right place to post it. Regardless of whether it is fact, conjecture or opinion - we are all adults capable of filtering information and processing what we want to. You have to admit that some of the "scepticism" expressed in previous forums did eventuate in reality later on down the track.

If one takes NZ related opinions out of this forum they would not have made it through 118 rounds of 200+ posts, nor would they move/ be updated enough to warrant continuing long term. The balance of the forum comes from having both cheerleaders and naysayers, neutral observers, employees, share holders and others with nothing much to say on the matter. Often the protagonists or proponents are the catalyst to the most lively and interesting discussions.

It strikes me (and has done so since thread one)that all of us who participate (whatever our backgrounds) wish NZ the very best, and actually really want to see it succeed as so many of us had our first flying experiences and best aviation experiences with NZ over half a century of flying and thousands of dollars spent over a number of years.
The fact that we continue to comment shows how strongly and passionately we as people feel about the airline, even though some are disillusioned, others have been treated brilliantly, others poorly and others are just concerned with the current business model. That kind of passion for an airline is something that an airline cannot buy, it is something built up over a long period of time and is something NZ and their employees fought hard for in difficult circumstances.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18971 times:

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 91):
Is this just me, or do others sense this also?

Sure do. Although to be honest, I'd probably still read the "Cynics'" thread.



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 95, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 18866 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 92):
I know that this isn't civil aviation, but does anyone know which Air Force the Boeing C-17 that flew into Whenuapai yesterday evening belongs to?

A USAF Boeing C-17 flew into CHC about midnight last night with the bodies of the two dead N.Z. servicemen killed in Afghanistan. I wonder if the earlier one you speak of was the flight that brought back their injured comrades for medical treatment.



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User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18560 times:

Quoting WSTAKL,reply=64
[quote=zkojq
(Reply 92):
I know that this isn't civil aviation, but does anyone know which Air Force the Boeing C-17 that flew into Whenuapai yesterday evening belongs to?

RAAF C17 A41-208 as per Mike Condon's website http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/globemaster-movements.html


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 97, posted (2 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18003 times:

A nice good long read this morning,


''Air NZ flies through turbulent times''

The Kiwi airline is not the cheapest but competes at home and abroad.

Bruising airline competition and the high New Zealand dollar are making an international holiday more affordable, especially for those willing to travel via Australia.

Fares are being driven down by Middle Eastern carriers like Emirates and Etihad, as well as Asian airlines such as China Southern and budget carrier AirAsia X flooding into Australia and New Zealand to feed their rapidly expanding global networks.

Return fares provided by House of Travel for flights from Wellington to London in October cost $3151 on Air New Zealand, but just $2967 on Singapore Airlines, while Emirates advertises fares via Australia and Dubai for $2860. All options include a domestic leg to Auckland or Christchurch to catch the international service. Those leaving from Auckland or Christchurch without flying domestically will pay a slightly lower fare.

Domestic fares have also been given a shake-up with Air New Zealand slashing the cost of flying between the main centres.

Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe says government job losses in Wellington and the nation's tenuous economic recovery are weighing on domestic network.

But last month it was forced to reduce domestic fares in some cases by nearly a third to stimulate flagging demand ahead of the arrival of bigger Airbus A320 domestic jets and its increasingly aggressive low cost competitor, Jetstar.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...r-NZ-flies-through-turbulent-times



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User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17678 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 79):
all NZ Beech are grounded due to hairline fractures being found in the tail of one aircraft during maintainance.

Is this at all similar to what happened to the ATR-72-500's earlier this year when they where all grounded?


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 99, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17616 times:

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 98):
Is this at all similar to what happened to the ATR-72-500's earlier this year when they where all grounded?

That was the windscreen if memory serves me correctly.


User currently offlinemacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 7
Reply 100, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17162 times:

HLZ is to lose its international air services. Although not complete yet, building an expressway/motorway from Hamilton to AKL will not have helped. The airport has just made the following media release:

Virgin Australia to suspend Brisbane-Hamilton flights

Hamilton, New Zealand – Hamilton Airport announced today it has been advised by Virgin Australia that the airline will cease operating its Brisbane-Hamilton route after 27 October 2012 due to a lack of demand by travellers.
Virgin Australia (previously operating as Pacific Blue) began offering a Brisbane-Hamilton service in September 2009 and flies the route three times each week.
Virgin Australia representative, Mark Pitt, said, “Despite our support and our positive relationship with Hamilton Airport over the past three years, demand for this service has deteriorated and the service is now financially unsustainable for us.
“Therefore, after careful consideration, we have made the decision to cease operating this service. Our last flight will be on 27 October.”
Hamilton Airport CEO, Chris Doak, said the decision by Virgin Australia was disappointing for the region.
"Virgin Australia has supported the region with their aircraft and has worked hard to connect with the local traveller. This was a decision that came down to passenger numbers. There just weren’t enough people using Virgin Australia’s services," he said.
Hamilton Airport Chairman, John Birch, said the airport is in a viable financial position and, despite the decision by Virgin Australia, the airport will continue to run profitably going forward given it is a diversified operation.
“We’ve spent the last few years restructuring and paying back debt. Additionally we are now seeing increased diversification of revenue from selling and leasing land - managed through the airport’s property joint venture Titanium Park. The airport is a multi-faceted business, which helps protect us from exactly this scenario.”
“We are operating profitably and, despite the setback of the suspension of Virgin Australia services, we expect to remain profitable," he said.
-ENDS-



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 101, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17118 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 99):

Was small cracks also the problem?

Quoting macilree (Reply 100):

Wonder if a certain Hamilton counselor will announce a boycot VA campaign like what happened when NZ stopped its international services out of HLZ? Wonder what VA will use the extra B738 for?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 102, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17214 times:
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Another AKL-SYD flight was forced to turn back this morning after problems with its air con caused the pilots to be concerned with fuel levels. The same flight number was also forced to turn back several days ago after fumes were smelt in the cabin.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...650/Second-Air-NZ-plane-turns-back

HLZ loosing VA - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-ze...airports-trans-Tasman-service-ends


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 103, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16820 times:

Any update on the 1900s? I heard roumers about how long it will take to fix but I'm not sure what to believe

User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16585 times:

So, wonder how long Dunedin will hang on to its Trans Tasman services? HLZ is possibly just a bit too close to
Auckland compared with the five hour drive between Dunedin and CHC. Pacific Blue did promise so much when they came to NZ as an independent operator. They found Trans Tasman a very hard market to make work. It is frustrating that the day they brought over an E-190 to demonstrate, they had a bird strike at Hamilton, so we never saw the plane at Dunedin. But, even on a joint operation, there must be some Trans Tasman city pairs where a plane the size of the E-190 would be the right size. Dunedin, Hamilton, perhaps even Palmerston North and Rotorua could be well served by a plane that is the right size.

I saw the TV One report about the Olympic Team arriving home. If TVOne showed the right aircraft, it looks as though they flew home through HKG. ( Well it was not the All Black 77W). I was living in Australia at the time of the Athens 2004 Games. Qantas provided two special 747 flights to bring the Australian athletes home, since Qantas has stopped flying regular services to ATH long before then. Athletes who had won Gold medals were seated in First Class and so on. Has any one heard how AirNZ organised the seating? Last minute change of seating for Valerie Adams maybe. Some of the larger athletes may have had trouble fitting into the Premium Economy seats (long legs).

Anyway, I hope the AirNZ crew enjoyed hosting the NZ athletes. Now they can look forward to flying to Glasgow for Commonwealth Games 2014. If the NZ team flies EK, they can fly all the way to GLA without changing at LHR.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 16580 times:

^^ Is there demand for more Trans Tasman routes? Honestly, I don't think there is.

The ones that already operate aren't exactly overflowing with demand, and without a move to move capacity from the main hubs to secondary cities, there really is a lack of demand to sustain these flights.

Its sad to see many of these routes come and go though. Oh the days of Kiwi and Freedom Air  


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 16530 times:

This is where One Market would make a difference. SmartGates at the larger airports are not the answer, they just allow faster processing in the biggest markets. One Market would allow very small Kiwi cities to have a weekly service to the Gold Coast, in the same way that some smaller US cities have once or twice weekly flights to holiday spots on Allegiant. The flights might only be very short seasons over holiday periods - this is how buses operate. Some special interest charters for concerts or sports events or even budget ski tours as one person on this forum wanted to do.

I think maybe one of the problems is that there are not enough airlines. AirNZ out of DUD is competing against AirNZ out of CHC, where AirNZ has to match several other airlines. I wonder how many people from HLZ drove up to Auckland to get a lower fare than they could get from HLZ? It was frustrating for management at Dunedin Airport, when staff who worked at the airport were driving up to CHC to get a cheaper fare than they could get from their local airport. (Not just a New Zealand thing - some Welsh people could fly to Florida from Cardiff, but they could fly for less from London, and that included one night in a hotel at Gatwick Airport)


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 107, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 16540 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 105):
Is there demand for more Trans Tasman routes? Honestly, I don't think there is.

Nope. There are cities in New Zealand that would barely even qualify for domestic flights overseas, let alone international. The population is just not there, nor is the demand.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16480 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 106):
I think maybe one of the problems is that there are not enough airlines. AirNZ out of DUD is competing against AirNZ out of CHC, where AirNZ has to match several other airlines. I wonder how many people from HLZ drove up to Auckland to get a lower fare than they could get from HLZ? It was frustrating for management at Dunedin Airport, when staff who worked at the airport were driving up to CHC to get a cheaper fare than they could get from their local airport. (Not just a New Zealand thing - some Welsh people could fly to Florida from Cardiff, but they could fly for less from London, and that included one night in a hotel at Gatwick Airport)

Supply and demand. The more capacity going into the main hubs, the niche routes will suffer.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 107):
Nope. There are cities in New Zealand that would barely even qualify for domestic flights overseas, let alone international. The population is just not there, nor is the demand.

+1.

For a country the size f NZ, it has enough airports and service to satisfy demand. Its likely punching above its weight already.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25173 posts, RR: 85
Reply 109, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16467 times:
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Quoting alangirvan (Reply 104):
But, even on a joint operation, there must be some Trans Tasman city pairs where a plane the size of the E-190 would be the right size. Dunedin, Hamilton, perhaps even Palmerston North and Rotorua could be well served by a plane that is the right size.

The trouble is, the E190 doesn't work financially in a low fare/high fuel cost environment.

The study done by Republic in 2011 - with Frontier's average fares and with oil at an average of $110 - showed the break even load factor (BELF) of the E190 was about 98%.

As a comparison, the BELF of the A319 was about 86% and the A320 BELF was 82%,

Obviously, the price of fuel can be off-set by higher fares - but that defeats the low fare airline.

Allegiant, in the US, has shown that it can be done but it requires outside the box thinking. Allegiant has minimal debt repayments on its aircraft - it buys dirt cheap MD80's (and now 757s), so it's not running big mortgage costs. It doesn't hedge fuel, but it flies very little on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, when traffic is likely to be lighter. It is ruthless - it only flies two or three times a week (to start) and if a route doesn't hit an average 90% load factor it'll drop it. The airline relies heavily on ancillary charges and, above all, hotel bookings - it is actually a package tour company.

Could it work here? Perhaps. A small fleet of cheap aircraft could probably operate profitably from a few of the smaller cities to very limited destinations in Oz - probably only one, say, OOL - because it wouldn't want to split the home city markets.

But it would require ruthless managers and it would be up against Air NZ - whose attitude would probably be kill, kill, kill.

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[Edited 2012-08-15 02:49:08]


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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16457 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 95):
A USAF Boeing C-17 flew into CHC about midnight last night with the bodies of the two dead N.Z. servicemen killed in Afghanistan. I wonder if the earlier one you speak of was the flight that brought back their injured comrades for medical treatment.
Quoting haggis73 (Reply 96):
RAAF C17 A41-208 as per Mike Condon's website

Thankyou.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 104):
I saw the TV One report about the Olympic Team arriving home. If TVOne showed the right aircraft, it looks as though they flew home through HKG. ( Well it was not the All Black 77W). I was living in Australia at the time of the Athens 2004 Games. Qantas provided two special 747 flights to bring the Australian athletes home, since Qantas has stopped flying regular services to ATH long before then. Athletes who had won Gold medals were seated in First Class and so on. Has any one heard how AirNZ organised the seating? Last minute change of seating for Valerie Adams maybe. Some of the larger athletes may have had trouble fitting into the Premium Economy seats (long legs).

According to the New Zealand Olympic Team's facebook page: most athletes, coaches and officials arrived home on NZ38 and SQ321. SQ321 is the flight between London and Singapore; not sure which flight they will have flown from Singapore to Auckland.

NZ39 was operated by ZK-OKF and SQ321 was operated by 9V-SKN.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 111, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16379 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 110):
SQ321 is the flight between London and Singapore; not sure which flight they will have flown from Singapore to Auckland.

People reported over the radio that some were landing at 11am which points to SQ285.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 16288 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 111):
People reported over the radio that some were landing at 11am which points to SQ285.

Ok, that will be 9V-SWP then.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 113, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16254 times:
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Hamilton's hopes lie on Jetstar to replace lost carrier - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...on-Jetstar-to-replace-lost-carrier

User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15995 times:

My recent trip to Australia was my first visit since I left in early 2006. The routing was via AKL, which turned out to be hardly more expensive than flying via CHC. Thanks to a special offer during the week that I booked, I got into Works Deluxe for the normal cost of a Works fare. Works Deluxe does not get you much more than a normal Works fare, but it does get you into the lounges along the way. All the lounges were fine, though a bit crowded. According to the deal I should have received priority check in, but at Dunedin, the Priority Check in Counter was not staffed. Then, for the A320 sector AKL-MEL, there was a bottle of water and paper in the seat pocket, and I could have had more checked bags. I had a ride from MEL to Canberra in a Virgin 738. Snack provided, not quite as large as you would receive on an AirNZ domestic flight. On Canberra Sydney I had my first ride in an E-190. A very short sector for a jet. Once again a small, but nice snack. The Virgin transfer to the International Terminal at SYD is not quite as slick as the Qantas service, but it is OK. It is a bit of a walk to find the Koru Club at Sydney Airport. It was a 777-200, with an IFE that did not work at my seat. But nice meal. Very busy domestic koru club at AKL on a Friday evening. The Cheese platter that is supposed to be one of the treats in Works Deluxe on Trans Tasman is the same Cheese platter that is offered to everyone between Auckland and Dunedin. Perhaps the Works Deluxe passengers should get something more gourmet?

For me, the lounge access did give me good value, since I paid for my tickets during a sale. I liked the Inflight service on all sectors. I enjoyed the short sectors on Virgin, as well, though at the moment, I cannot do advance seat selection, and Works Deluxe is not available on their flights. It would be nice if a Works Deluxe passenger could have Guest Access to Virgin lounges when using Virgin domestic Australian flights.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 115, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15928 times:
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Quoting alangirvan (Reply 114):

Works deluxe is basically just a watered down version IMO of Business on an A320 (minus the business seats) but with an economy offering. If you wanted a better service on the B777 then maybe you should have splashed out on a J fare? With the Deluxe fare you do get an empty seat beside you which is an added perk. The Works Deluxe is basically aimed at A320 business pax wanting more space IMO


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25173 posts, RR: 85
Reply 116, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15921 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 115):
The Works Deluxe is basically aimed at A320 business pax wanting more space IMO

I was on a 767 AKL-PER and Works De Luxe was great for me - good value for money, and better value for money than Virgin Australia's Premium Economy.

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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15925 times:

I was quite happy with the space on the 777, but the IFE was not as easy to use as the same equipment on the A320 a couple of weeks earlier. And that was after a Staff member had rebooted the system for me.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 118, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15644 times:
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A JQ flight into ZQN is under investigation after an unsafe arrival

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...Jetstar-flight-under-investigation


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15633 times:

According to their facebook page, it looks like Air New Zealand has a hobbit based safety video on the way - due to 'premier' in November. I hope it is better than their last one.


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 120, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15597 times:
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Quoting zkojq (Reply 119):

Anything will *fingers crossed* be better then their current one. I was on one of the first flights in July that had the new safety video and many pax (from what could be heard afterwards) weren't impressed with the video.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 121, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15525 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 120):
Anything will *fingers crossed* be better then their current one. I was on one of the first flights in July that had the new safety video and many pax (from what could be heard afterwards) weren't impressed with the video.

Watched the new safety video on my RAR flights in July. The video is basically a mess, and does not convey the safety messages clearly. Also there are too many other unnecessary things to distract the audience from the main points.


User currently offlineLoveNZ From New Zealand, joined Jul 2012, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15402 times:

Although not a New Zealand airline FJ (though they are neighbours who fly here) have released an initial branding image: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10827392

Thoughts? I wonder what this (or similar) will look like on those new A330s? If it's just brown I guess they thought NZ's new livery was the benchmark?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 123, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15324 times:
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Quoting LoveNZ (Reply 122):

Not convinced with the new logo, maybe that will change when its seen in person on the A330s


User currently offlinenz747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 124, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14750 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 123):

I agree, a bit disappointing really coming from the colourful yellow orange magenta and blue. I've heard one person discribe the logo as looking like an eye, while another recons it looks like an a##hole. I guess well have to see the full livery.

On another note, heard a song I like and have been looking for playing on this months Air NZ A320 IFE (playing on the default radio station when in menu and flight map mode etc) but wasn't able to find the same song in the radio selection. Anyone know the default IFE background radio station name? The cabin crew didn't seem to know.

Cheers


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 125, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14625 times:

Quoting LoveNZ (Reply 122):
Thoughts? I wonder what this (or similar) will look like on those new A330s? If it's just brown I guess they thought NZ's new livery was the benchmark?

I'm interviewing the FJ Chief Exec tomorrow about this and will post a link to the article.



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User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14537 times:

I read elsewhere that an Emirates 77W (A6-ECF) went tech in AKL after arriving from MEL on the 16/8. Does anyone know any details regarding this? Cheers.


July, AKL-SFO-LAS-SFO-AKL. last ride in the NZ 744?
User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 127, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14630 times:

Quoting HLZCPH (Reply 126):
I read elsewhere that an Emirates 77W (A6-ECF) went tech in AKL after arriving from MEL on the 16/8. Does anyone know any details regarding this? Cheers.

All I know is that it stayed here for 3 days and left with 20 POB.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14594 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 127):
All I know is that it stayed here for 3 days and left with 20 POB.

And it flew back direct to Dubai....that is ~8800nm!
http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/20...8/first-auckland-dubai-direct.html



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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14521 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 127):
Quoting zkojq (Reply 128):

and no doubt the dreaded 10 abreast Y cabin stayed empty for the duration of this flight!!


User currently offlineb767erwinglets From New Zealand, joined Nov 2009, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14248 times:

Anyone know the rego for NZ123 tomorrow (22/08) AKL MEL???? Think it comes in as NZ001 from LHR/LAX and carries onto MEL. I have a nice J class seat on her, first time on the 77W in J class on NZ.........Ta....

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 131, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14211 times:

Quoting b767erwinglets (Reply 130):
Anyone know the rego for NZ123 tomorrow (22/08) AKL MEL???? Think it comes in as NZ001 from LHR/LAX and carries onto MEL. I have a nice J class seat on her, first time on the 77W in J class on NZ.........Ta....

Last I checked it was a 772. I think ZKOKE. Still possible for aircraft change though


User currently offlineb767erwinglets From New Zealand, joined Nov 2009, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14200 times:

Can't be, still showing as a 777-300 in reservations and seat map allows seating for premium pax in economy class ....... Hope it's not the 772.... Such a disappointment if so........

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 133, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14120 times:
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Quoting b767erwinglets (Reply 132):

Why would it be a disappointment if its a B772? I've flowen J on a B772 to/from AKL and LAX and found the seat to be very comfy for a 12-13 hour flight. Would it be a disappointment cause your wanting the B773 and not based on seats?


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 134, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13973 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 125):
Quoting LoveNZ (Reply 122):
Thoughts? I wonder what this (or similar) will look like on those new A330s? If it's just brown I guess they thought NZ's new livery was the benchmark?

I'm interviewing the FJ Chief Exec tomorrow about this and will post a link to the article.

Okay, Pflieger ended up in transit so I spoke to Comm's Manager Shane Hussein. The brown background is a very traditional brown used for dying Masi (the Fijian name for tapa). This colour was chosen as a background because they wish to achieve visual cut-through for their logo both as a corporate communication device in signage/stationery/web/electronic etc as well as to be able to 'own' a colour and look. They want their planes to be distinctive and immediately recognisable as 'Fiji' in a similar way to how TN has the recognition for Tahiti and French Poly. More on the brand roll-out, and how the device is going to be used, on 10 October - Fiji Day.

Other key things with A330/Fiji Airways launch -
* airline yet to decide on the leisure business model - poss seats to suit type offering
* Tabua class seats will have angled lie flat
* IFE in every seat-back
* interiors to be styled round new brand look and feel

I will post a link once the interview is used.

regards
MH



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 135, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13782 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 134):
The brown background is a very traditional brown used for dying Masi (the Fijian name for tapa).

I was going to start calling it the Tapa cloth plane too (same context, though wrong language haha).. Now here's the wait to see how much of the plane is going to be white and how much will be brown..

Somehow I don't think brown is going to be nearly as attractive/memorable as TN's great livery.



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User currently offlineb767erwinglets From New Zealand, joined Nov 2009, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13699 times:

Quoting b767erwinglets (Reply 132):


You were completely right. It was ZK-OKE. Full apology to you....Wont every question you again....:@)

However I was disappointed to be very honest in the J cabin on the B772. The aircraft interior in the J class cabin was in terrible condition. For example the carpets were worn thru in the aisles, the seat itself wasn't too bad comfort wise, but the aircraft was dirty and worn out on the inside. There were marks all over the seats and ottoman. The dirt (yes actual dirt) was even noted by the crew. One of the male crew said they prefer to operate the B77W as its in much better condition. The paint on the back of the seat (in front of you) was peeling away and looked really grotty...

Air NZ really needs to look at the B772 aircraft, specifically J cabin as it was were looking very very tired. I have flown recently Premium Economy on the B77W aircraft and was very pleasantly surprised (after reading some of the negativity on airliners.net) so was looking forward to J class on the B77W.
I also recently flew in the sky/sleeper seats AKL - LAX recently and was very pleased as well (Although I am tall so the legs did come out into the aisle a bit. I also recently (4 months ago approx) flew SFO - AKL on a B772 and LAX - AKL B772 in premium and didn't have any complaints....

To be frankly honest, I was more comfortable in the Premium Economy on the B77W and the sky/sleeper seats on the B77W that I was in J class on the B772 (Yes this was a paid for seat, not points or upgrades)... I was very disappointed in the aircraft today.

Having said this however the cabin crew were excellent, which is generally all ever receive from NZ crew... Always pleasant and accommodating..... IMHO.


User currently offlineb767erwinglets From New Zealand, joined Nov 2009, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13692 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 134):

Refer to my post above.. The B772 in J class was terrible.... Sorry, old and worn out in the inside. Not what I would have expected of J class.

The B77W is a FAR superior product that the B772 in my experience.. I will say I also fly the A320 across the ditch as well (wont fly V Australia B738 as they are terrible), but Air NZ A320 across the ditch are very good too....

If its a B772, I will avoid it in J class.... stick with Premium or Economy... Even long haul...


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 138, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13689 times:

Quoting b767erwinglets (Reply 136):
Air NZ really needs to look at the B772 aircraft

They are. Probably just trying to find a time where they can reduce capacity in order to get one sent away for refitting at a time.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 139, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13681 times:

I recently flew Business Premier on both the 777-200ER and the 777-300ER.

To be honest, now that the catering has been dumbed down on the 77W I can barely tell the difference between the two products other than by the colour of the seats. The seats are identical apart from one having touchscreen IFE and the other being remote controlled. The catering is virtually the same, the wine is the same, the crews are the same, the cabin width is the same.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Reply 140, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13522 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 138):
Quoting b767erwinglets (Reply 136):
Air NZ really needs to look at the B772 aircraft

They are. Probably just trying to find a time where they can reduce capacity in order to get one sent away for refitting at a time.

There is a plan in place though I am not able to divulge what or when just yet. A lot will depend on the economic outlook over the next wee while.

NZ1


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 141, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13370 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 140):
There is a plan in place though I am not able to divulge what or when just yet. A lot will depend on the economic outlook over the next wee while.

This sounds very much as if the business is being managed with a focus on results for the next reporting period . A sure fire recipe for disaster over the long term. If management is not careful they will have very little to sell off to investors.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 142, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12885 times:

Any update yet/changes regarding the ATR 72-600 delivery/schedule?


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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12870 times:

Quoting b767erwinglets (Reply 137):
Refer to my post above.. The B772 in J class was terrible.... Sorry, old and worn out in the inside. Not what I would have expected of J class.

Well, everything is relative. The 772 cabins are getting a bit worn and tired, but things haven't reached an unacceptable point (yet). I recently flew F class on Thai between BKK and CDG - this was on a leased 77W from Jet Air. On both aircraft (different frames) the cabin upholstery was in worse condition than anything I have ever experienced in my 40 years of flying. Dirty, worn, and literally in tatters.

Quoting b767erwinglets (Reply 137):
If its a B772, I will avoid it in J class.... stick with Premium or Economy... Even long haul...

Must disagree with you here. You'd have to be crazy to spend hard earned cash on the 772 Y+ product. I did it once (and that was when the aircraft were new) - I may as well have just flown Y, and donated the extra $2000 or so to charity.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 144, posted (2 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 12289 times:

I was looking at Departed Flights tonight when I saw that NZ had five flights a week LHR-LAX in October 1996, of which four were 742s, and one a 763. The records are supposedly from the OAG of the time. I was not aware that the 763s had regularly served LHR - can anyone confirm this?


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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (2 years 1 week ago) and read 12279 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 144):
I was looking at Departed Flights tonight when I saw that NZ had five flights a week LHR-LAX in October 1996, of which four were 742s, and one a 763. The records are supposedly from the OAG of the time. I was not aware that the 763s had regularly served LHR - can anyone confirm this?

Strange. I can only confirm the Air NZ Timetable has five 742's LHR-LAX 4 Oct to 31 Oct 1996, 1620/1930 Mo Th Fr Sa Su 747. If for some reason there was going to be a brief aircraft shortage, I would expect a SIN, HKG, NRT, or PPT 742 to be replaced with a 767. The OAG was not infallible, only as good as the information supplied or entered.

PA515


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 146, posted (2 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12072 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 145):
Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 144):
I was looking at Departed Flights tonight when I saw that NZ had five flights a week LHR-LAX in October 1996, of which four were 742s, and one a 763. The records are supposedly from the OAG of the time. I was not aware that the 763s had regularly served LHR - can anyone confirm this?

Strange. I can only confirm the Air NZ Timetable has five 742's LHR-LAX 4 Oct to 31 Oct 1996, 1620/1930 Mo Th Fr Sa Su 747. If for some reason there was going to be a brief aircraft shortage, I would expect a SIN, HKG, NRT, or PPT 742 to be replaced with a 767. The OAG was not infallible, only as good as the information supplied or entered.

A postcript to this - Airline Routes today has a history of NZ's London operations, being the 30th anniversary, and it agrees with you. Interestingly, it DOES show a one-off NZ2 flight AKL-NAN-LAX-LHR on 3 Oct 2000, operated by 767.

[Edited 2012-08-26 18:02:46]


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 147, posted (2 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12072 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 146):
Interestingly, it DOES show a one-off NZ2 flight AKL-NAN-LAX-LHR on 3 Oct 2000, operated by 767.

3 Oct 2000 was 2 days after the Closing Ceremony of the Sydney Olympics so I wouldn't be surprised if a 744 was used for some kind of charter/ac swap ex-SYD as NZ/AN were the official sponsors.



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (2 years 6 days ago) and read 11727 times:

This summer Air NZ is adding a fifth daily AKL-ZQN-AKL Dec to Mar.
Quote:
Timing of the extra service is expected to be a late afternoon departure from Auckland and return.
http://www.nzx.com/companies/AIR/announcements/226467

Also, Thursday is the Air NZ Annual Results Announcement.

PA515


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (2 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

Lets hope Thursday is not a bad day for numbers hope they don't go -NZ$ and end the year in the red like a lot of other airlines have.


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 150, posted (2 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11685 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 149):
Lets hope Thursday is not a bad day for numbers hope they don't go -NZ$ and end the year in the red like a lot of other airlines have.

the Herald said yesterday that according to some aviation analysts they were predicting between 45-63 Million profit, but that the international longhaul still losing money and being propped up by the shorthaul.

Who knows?


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 151, posted (2 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11675 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 150):
but that the international longhaul still losing money and being propped up by the shorthaul

But hasn't this been the case off and on for a number of financial years?


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 152, posted (2 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11646 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 150):
they were predicting between 45-63 Million profit, but that the international longhaul still losing money and being propped up by the shorthaul

It's unfortunate that the company continues to retain as proprietary information details about:

1. The financial performance of North America services.
2. The performance of NZ1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR
3. The performance of AKL-HKG-LHR
4. The performance of China services
5. The performance of Japan services.

My belief for a long time has been that North America and AKL-LAX-LHR are viable, especially if there is smart variation in capacity on a seasonal basis.

I also believe that PVG is intrinsically unprofitable.

But I also believe that the outgoing NZ management has an aversion to London and affinity for China which will see HKG-LHR and LAX-LHR dropped at the first possible opportunity.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 153, posted (2 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11619 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 152):
But I also believe that the outgoing NZ management has an aversion to London and affinity for China which will see HKG-LHR and LAX-LHR dropped at the first possible opportunity.

So are you suggesting the incoming management is going to rubber stamp the outgoing managements proclivities?
I think you might find that M. Luzon may be inclined to place his stamp on the company by making some moves that are a change in direction from those of his predecessor. In my view he needs to do that to signal to the customers and staff that a new era has commenced. What M.Luzon should do would be an interesting topic for those who like looking into the future to weigh in on. A word of caution, the reality of the Jet Stars in the business and that NZL is relatively poor needs to be in the back of everyone's minds!!

[Edited 2012-08-27 16:45:31]

User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (2 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11579 times:

I'm still waiting for the long haul review report.......

User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 155, posted (2 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11593 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 153):
What M.Luzon should do would be an interesting topic for those who like looking into the future to weigh in on.

I am going to lead off... research from where in the USA (SFO/LAX/IAH ) a service should be started to MAN. If it is SFO/LAX put a dedicated 789 on the route set up at about 260-seats and feed it with the existing services out of AKL. If it is IAH then run the 789 AKL-IAH-MAN with its 260-seats. Be sure the product standard is uniform across the fleet.This is important !! If it is determined that this market needs to be more upscale than a LCC then introduce some rows of 9-across in Y on the 77W to assure the uniform product standard. For Asia increase the seating of three 77E's to ~330 seats to reduce the ASK cost.
My 10 cents worth.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 156, posted (2 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11547 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 155):
For Asia increase the seating of three 77E's to ~330 seats to reduce the ASK cost.

I understand what you are saying, but I question whether NZ has the scale to be able to run two different configurations of 77Es. I think it would wreak havoc with utilisation.



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 157, posted (2 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11377 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 154):
I'm still waiting for the long haul review report.......

I doubt if this is ever going to be released.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 158, posted (2 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11350 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 152):
It's unfortunate that the company continues to retain as proprietary information details about:

1. The financial performance of North America services.
2. The performance of NZ1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR
3. The performance of AKL-HKG-LHR
4. The performance of China services
5. The performance of Japan services.

Sorry, I don't understand why it's "unfortunate", as you suggest. Surely this is all commercially very valuable information that NZ's competitors would love to get their hands on, and they're perfectly entitled to keep it close. In fact, one could argue that they would be stupid to release it just to satisfy the whims of the av-geeks on these boards. While you and I have lots of opinions about what NZ could and should do, I'm quite comfortable that my views need to be tempered by the reality of information on a raft of aspects of the operation which will undoubtedly be germane to their decisions - and which I will never get to see. That's just business . . .



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (2 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11218 times:

Some Numbers of PAX's loads for NZ for July,

Air New Zealand passenger numbers stable – traffic highlights for Jul-2012:

Passenger numbers: 1.1 million, -0.1% year-on-year;

Short-haul: 946,000, -0.6%;
Domestic: 663,000, -3.1%;
Tasman/Pacific: 284,000, +5.9%;

Long-haul: 128,000, +3.4%;
Asia/Japan/UK: 52,000, +3.2%;
North America/UK: 77,000, +3.5%;
Passenger load factor: 82.8%, -2.8 ppts;

Short-haul: 81.1%, -2.4 ppts;
Domestic: 79.5%, -3.9 ppts;
Tasman/Pacific: 81.8%, -1.8 ppts;

Long-haul: 84.4%, -3.1 ppts;
Asia/Japan/UK: 78.7%, -6.9 ppts;
North America/UK: 88.4%, -0.3 ppt.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 160, posted (2 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11211 times:

David, which competitors are those?

These are all monopoly routes.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 161, posted (2 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11189 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 160):

David, which competitors are those?

These are all monopoly routes.

AKL features on a number of airline's 'wish lists' already (given the right conditions), the last thing NZ is going to want is add competition - they'd end up snowed under with competition like QF rather quickly... I agree with David on this, That is just business, to protect your own interests first and foremost. Some of the information you want disclosed could be the difference between a competitor taking an educated punt or just leaving a small market to the home carrier.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 156):
I understand what you are saying, but I question whether NZ has the scale to be able to run two different configurations of 77Es. I think it would wreak havoc with utilisation.

Or even better they could kick QF while they're down, take up a number of the recently cancelled 787 slots and offer a 9 abreast 788 solely for the asian routes, leaving the 789/77W for North American ops and growth management. Then the 763/77E fleet can be disposed of and fleet consolidated further/faster. The scale of a dozen 788s to replace 2 smaller fleets would allow several customised configs to be designed.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 162, posted (2 years 5 days ago) and read 11109 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 161):
Or even better they could kick QF while they're down, take up a number of the recently cancelled 787 slots and offer a 9 abreast 788 solely for the asian routes, leaving the 789/77W for North American ops and growth management. Then the 763/77E fleet can be disposed of and fleet consolidated further/faster. The scale of a dozen 788s to replace 2 smaller fleets would allow several customised configs to be designed.

Smart thinking! Boeing updated their ACAP sheets on the 787 series last month and now provide cabin cross section dimensions. The 787 at 9-across is marginally better than the 10- across 77W. 17.2" cushion with 18" aisle versus 17" and 17" aisle. The quote of Kerry Reeves on 260 odd seats on the 789 suggests 8-across with about a 19" seat cushion. This is almost too much to hope for!
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Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 159):
North America/UK: 88.4%, -0.3 ppt; Asia/Japan/UK: 78.7%, -6.9 ppts;

Statistically this puts the average 77W load at ~300-seats. There is probably no way these can be replaced while they have good value except by increased frequency. But on the face of it, the 77E's could be replaced on the HKG-LHR route if all they are averaging is 236 seats per flight.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 163, posted (2 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10824 times:

Anyone fancy a guess as to the survival of key routes after the results announcement tomorrow?

I think that there are three routes at risk.

These are both sectors to London - HKG-LHR due to variable performance, and LAX-LHR because it will be impossible to operate economically after the departure from T2 to TBIT anyway. And Rob Fyfe's feelings about the UK are well-known to most people at the airline.

The other route at risk in my opinion is AKL-HNL. The Australian example shows a rapid increase in demand, but it will be interesting to see whether Air NZ has the stomach to persist with a high-fare LCC model when Hawaiian Airlines is now competing with a lower-fare all-inclusive model. It's a blatant mismatch with Seats To Suit, and if Air NZ tries to maintain that pricing model against a cheaper competitor with more inclusions it could turn into a bloodbath for Air NZ.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 164, posted (2 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10679 times:

well something would have to give if they want to open up another US port, maybe axe PVG? there already putting the 763 on it, re-enter when they have the 300 seat 789's!,

Looking at Japan this could do with some playing around - but we know they will never give that up!

However if the HKG-LHR goes then so would a few jobs too!

there's is not much more they can really chop or NZ is just going to become a short haul airline - is this what they want! (Air ASIA NZ?)



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 165, posted (2 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10659 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 163):
These are both sectors to London - HKG-LHR due to variable performance, and LAX-LHR because it will be impossible to operate economically after the departure from T2 to TBIT anyway. And Rob Fyfe's feelings about the UK are well-known to most people at the airline.

These probably won't go before KIX. If NZ wants to axe LHR, they would have announced it earlier this year when they announced other cut backs.


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2990 posts, RR: 28
Reply 166, posted (2 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10537 times: