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9W Asks GoI For Permission To Join Star  
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 17246 times:
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http://www.livemint.com/2012/07/3123...et-Airways-seeks-government-n.html

hope this isn't a duplicate. I couldn't see a current thread. It looks as though 9W have finally openly declared their alliance preference. It will be interesting to see what, if any response, they get from the Government of India.


New Delhi: Naresh Goyal-controlled Jet Airways (India) Ltd, the country’s biggest carrier, has sought government permission to join the world’s largest airline grouping, Star Alliance Services GmbH, putting the aviation ministry in a bit of a spot.


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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17029 times:
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Quoting kiwiandrew (Thread starter):
It will be interesting to see what, if any response, they get from the Government of India.

Bureaucrats are still miffed that someone dared tell them No when Air India wanted to join. I bet on a resounding No, as soon as they have power long enough to type a reply, of course.



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User currently offlineflyhigh@tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15683 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 1):
as soon as they have power long enough to type a reply, of course.

LOL...to those who did not get it! North parts of India esp the Capital New Delhi has been witnessing some dramatic power outages past couple of days.

Honestly why is AI still even in the running...they should have failed all the requirements set by *A by now...   


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13971 times:
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The Indian Government should let Jet Airways join the Star Alliance and not handicap the entire airline industry of India. The era of protectionism for Air India should end, its hurting the whole airline industry of India. When and if Air India can join an alliance it should do so on its on merit. The Star alliance gave AI all the chances it needed to join but couldn't meet their deadline, its time to move on.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12404 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13761 times:
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9W is the gem of the Indian airlines from an alliance perspective. If the GoI doesn't let 9W into *A, it won't just hurt *A and 9W, it will hurt the whole Indian economy. But more likely the GoI will be petty.

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 2):
Honestly why is AI still even in the running...they should have failed all the requirements set by *A by now...

AI did. *A requires entry within 90 days with extensions given to 6 months. After 3 years, AI was 'failed.'

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
The era of protectionism for Air India should end, its hurting the whole airline industry of India.

It is hurting all of India. When there are shortages of seats

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
The Star alliance gave AI all the chances it needed to join but couldn't meet their deadline, its time to move on.

Given *multiple* chances. AI proved that if informed by *A that they must improve, they won't. Since the GoI has mandated on airline per alliance, all incentive for *A to accommodate AI is gone.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13171 times:
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I have never flown Air India, is it that bad? If the gov is helping support it, it should be another SQ or RG (in her golden days)

If the gov got out of the way, would AI go the way of RG?

My company did the livery refresh for Jet. The people who did fly Jet for the project said it was a very good airline!



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User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12382 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
I have never flown Air India, is it that bad?

Yes.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
The people who did fly Jet for the project said it was a very good airline!

Yes, it really is. I'd say it's the best airline India has to offer.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12190 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):

The Indian Government should let Jet Airways join the Star Alliance and not handicap the entire airline industry of India. The era of protectionism for Air India should end, its hurting the whole airline industry of India. When and if Air India can join an alliance it should do so on its on merit. The Star alliance gave AI all the chances it needed to join but couldn't meet their deadline, its time to move on.

Totally agreed. By weakening their own carriers, GoI has single-handedly delivered the entire Indian-Europe and India-Americas market to EK/QR on a silver platter.


User currently offlinespink From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12082 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
My company did the livery refresh for Jet. The people who did fly Jet for the project said it was a very good airline!

From all the times I flew Jet intra-india, they were by far one of the best carriers I've ever flown. Clean, efficient, and with good customer service.


User currently offlinespink From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12018 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
Totally agreed. By weakening their own carriers, GoI has single-handedly delivered the entire Indian-Europe and India-Americas market to EK/QR on a silver platter.

If let loose, Jet has the real potential to be a top tier global carrier that can compete with SQ/EK/QR. They are actually much better positioned for cut-through to asia/aus than dxb.


User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4281 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12002 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
9W is the gem of the Indian airlines from an alliance perspective. If the GoI doesn't let 9W into *A, it won't just hurt *A and 9W, it will hurt the whole Indian economy. But more likely the GoI will be petty.

There's nothing petty about GOI insisting on membership for AI -- indeed, the GOI would be reckless to allow private carriers to join alliances to the extent that doing so harms the economic prospects of the publicly-owned carrier.



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User currently offlinespink From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11894 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 10):
There's nothing petty about GOI insisting on membership for AI -- indeed, the GOI would be reckless to allow private carriers to join alliances to the extent that doing so harms the economic prospects of the publicly-owned carrier.

You mean the public carrier who's track record is so bad that it is on many corporations no-fly lists?


User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4281 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

Quoting spink (Reply 11):
You mean the public carrier who's track record is so bad that it is on many corporations no-fly lists?

Indeed. AI is the way it is due primarily to policy preferences and management selections made by, or acquiesced to, by the GOI. When a national government owns a company, it may operate (or intervene in the operation of) that company in any constitutional manner it desires. More to the point, enabling privately-funded carriers to join alliances while the publicly-owned airline is not similarly situated hurts the people of India, and undermines some of the very policy objectives the existence of Air India achieves.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11830 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
I have never flown Air India, is it that bad?

From a financial perspective, it's a nightmare. Loses money by the billions each year. Partly due to bloated labor costs (think USA airlines before Chapter 11), but also due to chronic mismanagement and government interference. The government interference is usually negative for AI, but occasionally positive (like trying to force AI on *A). Regardless, the interference is almost uniformly harmful to our aviation industry.


From a passenger perspective, it's different - AI is a pretty good quality full-service carrier.



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User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

Interesting. I am surprised Jet is being so confrontational given my understanding of Indian politics. Putting the Ministry on the spot like that could end up backfiring on them, no?

That or they already know the answer will be yes and have been instructed to ask.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11576 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 14):
That or they already know the answer will be yes and have been instructed to ask.

You may be on to something here. The current aviation minister has in recent past has done away with the policy of first right of refusal to AI on international route allocations.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11499 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 14):
That or they already know the answer will be yes and have been instructed to ask.

I think you've got it...

The current MoCA has been doing everything it can to hurt AI (and benefit private carriers), like prolonging strike situation, DGCA shakeup, 787 fiasco, etc. This would just fall into that pattern.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11455 times:

Quoting spink (Reply 9):
If let loose, Jet has the real potential to be a top tier global carrier that can compete with SQ/EK/QR. They are actually much better positioned for cut-through to asia/aus than dxb.

I think a hypothetical vision of 2 scissor hubs - MUC + NRT - would work for 9W's network. Have 9W fly from multiple Indian cities (DEL, BOM, MAA, BLR, etc) to those 2 airports, and let LH/NH/UA take it from there.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11074 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
The era of protectionism for Air India should end, its hurting the whole airline industry of India.

It is hurting all of India. When there are shortages of seats

This is NOT about "too many seats", its about the private airline industry subsidizing the government owned airline. Protectionism is why no A380 are flying to India. IF Emirates & Lufthansa are not such threats then let them fly it to india.

Quoting avek00 (Reply 10):
There's nothing petty about GOI insisting on membership for AI -- indeed, the GOI would be reckless to allow private carriers to join alliances to the extent that doing so harms the economic prospects of the publicly-owned carrier.

Its NOT the Indian Governments Job to help Air India and screw Jet and Kingfisher, the time to have Government owned airlines ended 30 years ago. India needs to privatize Air India and offer early retirement to employees. Help it ONE last time and its on its own.


User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11008 times:

Oooh boy. Let me get my popcorn....

User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1064 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11008 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 17):
I think a hypothetical vision of 2 scissor hubs - MUC + NRT - would work for 9W's network. Have 9W fly from multiple Indian cities (DEL, BOM, MAA, BLR, etc) to those 2 airports, and let LH/NH/UA take it from there.

Great, but there are very very very few slots open at MUC. And even fewer with desirable times.


User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10952 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
I have never flown Air India, is it that bad?

Truthfully, it's not as bad as it used to be. But it's a very inconsistent airline. And like any state owned enterprise, is rather universally reviled.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
If the gov is helping support it, it should be another SQ or RG (in her golden days)

You are assuming that the GoI is as efficient and forward-thinking as the Government of Singapore. That is most certainly not the case.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
If the gov got out of the way, would AI go the way of RG?

AI would go the way of Pan Am if the GoI got out of the way.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12404 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10861 times:
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Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
By weakening their own carriers, GoI has single-handedly delivered the entire Indian-Europe and India-Americas market to EK/QR on a silver platter.

Exactly. Now that EK and QR are established, they are not going to go away.

There is no going back on the Air Service agreements either. With Dubai, the Air Service agreement MoU was tied to an expansion of the Indian Chemical and Phara industries in the mid-East (enabled by Dubai). If Dubai looses the Air Service agreement, India forfeits their trading rights that would destroy tens of thousands of Indian jobs.

Trying to preserve AI is halting India signing new bilaterals as the other parties are demanding extensions of the Air Service agreements in order to expand other business in India. The largest example is Korea auto parts production. The government of Korea will not sign an expanded auto parts bilateral without an expanded air service agreement (partially as Hyundai is insisting on rights for ICN-MAA on the airline of their choice).

It isn't just the Indian air carriers suffering. The whole Indian economy is being hurt trying to save AI.

Quoting spink (Reply 9):
Jet has the real potential to be a top tier global carrier that can compete with SQ/EK/QR. They are actually much better positioned for cut-through to asia/aus than dxb.

100% agree. DEL is in a very ideal location. However, with the NEO and MAX, DXB/DOH/AUH will be in narrowbody range of Europe (not A319ER in a long haul configuration, but standard configurations). If 9W is not 'let loose' by the MAX/NEO entry into service, they will have missed an incredible opportunity.

Quoting avek00 (Reply 10):
There's nothing petty about GOI insisting on membership for AI

How isn't it? AI was given multiple extensions to meet the *A requirements and they were not met. 90 days is the standard. That will normally be extended to 180 days. AI failed after over 3 years! AI has proven they will never change to meet *A standards. 9W announced they met *A standards after... get this... 30 days!

Put on the *A hat. Which would you want in your alliance? The flexible partner or the one who wants the alliance to change to benefit them?

It is petty for one very good reason. Once the NEO/MAX enter service, India will be in narrowbody range of IST/the new IST. If *A also adds a mid-East partner. Delays are reducing the opportunities for an Indian *A partner. Much of what would have been a great opportunity for AI is now being done by TK.

Time is an important variable in business. The GoI needs to accept *A has moved on and let them choose whom they wish as a partner.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 18):
India needs to privatize Air India and offer early retirement to employees. Help it ONE last time and its on its own.

I do not believe the GoI has that level of funds. Heck, they lack the coal to power numerous powerplants. The GoI needs to find its priorities

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10813 times:

Quoting kann123air (Reply 6):
Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
I have never flown Air India, is it that bad?

Yes

I, as well. 4 flights (2 roundtrips JFK/LHR), years apart, all on the same ship. Flight deck crew were accomodating, cabin crew attentive and pleasant. Not bad at all.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 13):
From a passenger perspective, it's different - AI is a pretty good quality full-service carrier.

  



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12404 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10654 times:
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Quoting ytz (Reply 19):
Oooh boy. Let me get my popcorn....

  

Good point...  
Quoting LOWS (Reply 20):
Great, but there are very very very few slots open at MUC. And even fewer with desirable times.

I do not understand why MUC is thrown out for scissor hubs or expansion. It is impacted. New growth will be at the expense of moving existing flights except at less desired times or by luck of one or two slots 'here and there.'

MUC could work for 9W, but only if LH enables it by cutting their flights.

I think 9W would do exceptionally well in *A. *A would benefit by having an Indian partner their existing customers would want to fly. AI just has too far to go before it meets *A expectations (on time performance, moving the schedule to accommodate *A transfers, and seamless ticket sales/codeshares/miles).

Lightsaber



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25 avek00 : No way India can go without a state-owned carrier at this time. Like it or not, Air India meets various essential national air service needs that the
26 Post contains links and images kiwiandrew : Well, it didn't take as long to get a response from the Indian Government as I thought it might: http://www.business-standard.com/ind...embership-post
27 kiwiandrew : Such as ?
28 LOWS : Tell that to the fine people of München who got to vote about a third MUC runway and said no.
29 mogandoCI : If 9W joins Star and uses a European partner as a scissor hub (India - 9W - euro hub - LH/LX/SN/OS - US) model, then there are only certain choices t
30 ytz : They can privatize just like Air Canada, which has very similar national requirements. Air Canada has suffered undoubtedly from these requirements. B
31 ElPistolero : Its not. I last flew them in 2010 in J and Y longhaul. Their in-flight product (including catering but minus IFE) they're a couple of notches above U
32 ytz : I think, as a minimum, the GoI will want the 10 million Euros or whatever they paid as a joining fee, to be returned. Plus, they'll want about $100 b
33 Post contains images lightsaber : Why? India could set up an essential air service bidding process, analogous to what the US has, and get rid of the state airline. It would be far che
34 nicode : So, what will be left for SkyTeam ? IndiGo ?
35 ytz : I'm all for Europe's obstinence. I'm hoping that this will drive more direct flights to North America. LOL. Not just 9W. Any business period would be
36 jfk777 : PA served its purpose, it was sad to see it decline from a two ocean airline to a Caribean airline based in Miami. PA was NOT a government owned airl
37 ytz : Apologies. Never meant to imply that PA was government owned. I just meant that AI would be bankrupt if the GoI left it to its own devices.
38 spink : My point being that if an airline is blackballed by a vast number of major corporations, there is simply no way it is ever going to get into an allia
39 ElPistolero : What do DC-10s have to do with anything? LH currently (as in right now) flies a 744 and a 340 (I think). If they re so worried about capacity, they c
40 aeroblogger : AI's OTP is over 80%. There are many *A carriers which have far less than 80% OTPs. AI operationally may not be gold standard, but there are far wors
41 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Out of curiosity, from where? ULH from India lacks enough high yield traffic to pay for the higher CASM of ULH. I see the flights shifting to IST and
42 aeroblogger : AI claims that they are 80/80: The people I know at AI have also confirmed that AI is *A compliant, with the exception of a few FFP issues which coul
43 Nimish : I disagree. AI does not meet a single need of the country - not to improve tourist traffic, not to cater to the gulf traffic, not to cater to the IT
44 Post contains images lightsaber : Then we have incompatible press releases. I'm not finding the links now, but I recall reading at the time how AI still had a few IT issues a year ago
45 Post contains images aeroblogger : I disagree here. AI does not improve tourist traffic, but that is not really an aim of AI. AI certainly does cater to gulf traffic, as anyone in my h
46 Post contains links kiwiandrew : the press release on the AI website doesn't mention anything about exclusivity http://airindia.in/SBCMS/Webpages/2007-AI-to-join-star-alliance.aspx D
47 lightsaber : Question, What legal rights of appeal from this decision does 9W have? Obviously they shouldn't sit still. Or is the GoI that formal? What is the next
48 aeroblogger : I'll have to look, but I vividly remember press releases both from AI and Star which used the word exclusive multiple times... Perhaps not the first
49 goacom : One should take aerobloggers pro-AI comments with a large boulder of salt. While AI's inflight product is good, they are extremely unreliable and bein
50 ytz : Does the airline need to be a state owned enterprise to do this? Why can't the government simply pay a carrier or enter a Joint Venture where strateg
51 ytz : I could see DEL being quite a decent hub for India-North America traffic. YVR, YYZ, YUL, BOS, ORD, EWR, JFK, SEA, SFO. I think there are lots of oppo
52 ytz : None Nothing in India is every formal. And every formal decision can either be ignored or overturned by greasing the right palms. Send suitcases of c
53 ytz : Bingo.
54 Post contains links lightsaber : Ok. So 9W is left with what, a media campaign? The idea that they should sit and accept the answer is absurd. If there is no legal recourse, then it
55 aeroblogger : This money would be far better spent doing what ytz suggested:
56 lightsaber : I didn't want to be that cynical on GoI process. Lightsaber
57 aeroblogger : cynicism never hurts in India... Some people rail on about the amount of money which AI wastes, but the money which the "private" carriers waste is a
58 vin2basketball : Not worth much; 9W is far better off relying on Naresh Goyals contacts in the Av Ministry (he is very well connected). Anything involving GoI and avi
59 aa757first : You're right. India has a capacity distribution scheme which requires X% of available seat kilometers to fly between second tier cities (pretty much
60 Post contains images lightsaber : Didn't AI do that thanks to the pilot strike? To be more precise, 10 of 27 were willing to vote no. How many saw how much effort AI was forcing *A to
61 spink : I'm pretty sure the power outages will have minimal impact of foreign investment. As it is and has been for years, every foreign company that builds
62 JOYA380B747 : I hope you aren't forgetting AA's recent pullout from ORD-DEL. Also AI's rather loss-making India-US flights. In fact most direct India-US flights wi
63 Post contains links and images LAXDESI : My thread on economics of one-stop versus non-stop ULH flights. ULH Non-Stop Versus One-stop Economic Analysis (by LAXDESI Jun 14 2008 in Tech Ops)
64 ytz : This is India. Politicians are vengeful. Any public campaign to embarrass them into action could easily backfire. Exactly, what have I said earlier.
65 Post contains links lightsaber : Countries run that way grow slower economically than countries run on 'how can we make more money in the future.' I recommend reading a book called "
66 Post contains images lightsaber : I've been hoping for too long to see an excellent international hub in India. e.g., on the Kangaroo route as well as SE Asia to Europe. With India's
67 ytz : Fully agree. And that's why you now see India sliding back into what was previously referred to as the years of "Hindu Growth". Growth was anemic in
68 JoeCanuck : The Gulf 3, (and their based cities), were built primarily with Indian labour...and to a large degree Indian money. Imagine what could have been if I
69 ElPistolero : Indian labor, yes. Mostly unskilled labour. The educated classes came later. The money was mostly oil money, not Indian money. On the other hand, Ind
70 JoeCanuck : All very good points and completely understood. Why AI makes a good point of protest is that it is very public and very expensive and the money saved
71 spink : Having spent a decent amount of time in India, I would say that anyone with a base of operations there or considering a base of operations there is f
72 Post contains images lightsaber : I've heard it as the "Natural Hindu growth rate." In effect, it is the global community throwing their hands up and letting India plod along. I reall
73 Delimit : A lot of inconsistent argument going on. The Gulf 3 are what they are because of massive investments by their respective governments, yet India could
74 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : It's because the talent would rather get unused in India, so Dubai and for that matter many other things/places is the world are thriving because of
75 JoeCanuck : What could happen to Indian aviation if AI was left to sink or swim isn't a single national airline doing all the heavy lifting, but a number of airl
76 Delimit : I'm not trying to defend AI; I'm saying that the alternate version of no AI = Indian EK doesn't hold up. Also, I'm not 100% convinced AI is a lost cau
77 aa757first : AF went through those changes largely because of the influence of the EU. The EU told France they were allowed to give AF one final bailout, and only
78 goacom : If I am wrong, hell will freeze over, but I dont see any fundamental changes happening at AI - at least not with the current political entities in po
79 aeroblogger : I agree. However, if the current politicians stay in power, India will have far larger problems than AI. Even today, infrastructure, education, healt
80 Post contains images lightsaber : Agreed. But the current stalemate kills any chance of it happening. AI as it is currently structured will never pose a threat to any network carrier.
81 Post contains links 15a : http://www.business-standard.com/ind...a/news/ais-star-dream-ends/482772/ As per this article (basis an interview with the MoCA) the government of ind
82 kiwiandrew : Thanks for posting, that sounds like a major positive development in this saga.
83 aeroblogger : I'm not sure about that. The fact that the current minister would allow 9W to join *A if 9W was accepted has been blatantly obvious to anybody who fo
84 Post contains links JoeCanuck : I don't think Star has an official 'on hold' position for applicants, regardless of the press releases. AI entry into star was rejected...the airline
85 HAWK21M : why is this process so lengthy...
86 Bralo20 : According to the article *A has rejected AI:
87 goacom : This is great news! Yet another nail is this flying coffin .. er.. airline. Hopefully the other alliances will also hold out in accepting AI into thei
88 Viman82 : Agree, why would Skyteam and One World want AI in their alliance when *A rejected AI. Jet will end up with *A with indigo joining Skyteam/Oneworld on
89 lightsaber : From that link (posted by Bralo20 above): They have practically said no and have sent us a letter last week. We have asked Air India to look for othe
90 AA767LOVER : Star Alliance as a top alliance has much to lose if they don't accept 9W as a sponsor. Let AC/UA/LH co-sponsor 9W. With AI out of the picture (thank g
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