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Irish 11/12: Airborne With Attitude  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 23328 times:

Good evening folks and welcome to Thread 11 of the year and after a few fairly long lasting thread, our previous thread has reached the 200+ mark in barely a fortnight, so it's time to move on. We've certainly seen some very interesting developments over the past few weeks:

- FR's continuing designs on Aer Lingus and Aer Lingus's continuing efforts to elude its amorous grasp
- New routes for 2013 already being announced
- The end of EI's MAD-IAD route
- Aer Lingus's codeshare with Etihad (and other commercial relationships between the two)
- Rumours of new UA routes to Ireland next Summer (SFO and/or ORD to DUB)
- Aer Lingus's half year traffic figures
- and quite a few others

Let's hope the pace of positive new developments continues; we still don't have anything firm from Aeroflot, which will hopefully grace us with its presence next year.

Here's to a very interest 11th thread; let's see the good news keep rolling!

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 23320 times:

Thanks for the new thread Kaitak .

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- Aer Lingus's codeshare with Etihad (and other commercial relationships between the two)

Yes this will be interesting to see how it develops. Lets hope both parties gain something from it . Still awaiting a news update from GC saying I can earn points on EY flights   One can hope ....

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- The end of EI's MAD-IAD route

Indeed . Here is a link mentioning it in the media :

''McCarthy tells USA TODAY that United is terminating its agreement with Aer Lingus for that route. The termination will take effect 90 days from Wednesday (Aug. 1), after United notified Aer Lingus last week, according to McCarthy.''

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...d-airlines-pilots-protest/814854/1


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 22795 times:

EI making the case to shareholders against accepting a FR take over bid :

Aer Lingus CEO warns on fears of Ryanair monopoly

AER Lingus chief executive Christoph Mueller warned that a successful bid by Ryanair to buy the carrier would result in monopoly conditions reminiscent of the days when his own airline dominated Irish travel.

Mr Mueller, speaking as Aer Lingus unveiled second quarter results, insisted that a merged Ryanair-Aer Lingus airline would control virtually all the traffic out of Ireland, and to an even greater extent than when Ryanair made its first bid in 2006.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...s-of-ryanair-monopoly-3187078.html

What we need is more competition not less !


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22464 times:

It seems that several ex-Aer Lingus aircraft are heading to Pakistan; two A330s are going from Vladivostok Airlines to Shaheen Airlines (with a third likely to follow).

Meanwhile, EI-CVD has been repainted as AP-EDD for AirBlue.


User currently offlineCabincrewifly From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22400 times:

Ryanair opening three new routes from Cork for winter including Wroclaw. The other routes being announced tomorrow,.


EI FR RE EIR IWD MA FUA
User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22370 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Mr Mueller.........insisted that a merged Ryanair-Aer Lingus airline would control virtually all the traffic out of Ireland, and to an even greater extent than when Ryanair made its first bid in 2006.

While we can agree that CM will be arguing against the takeover, we all saw the Anna Aero stats that confirm this viewpoint on the increased dominance of FR/EI over the Irish market compared to 2007.

I also read comments in the IT today by CM that a purchase of the Govt stake by EY would not actually be good for EI shareholders. He states that the lack of free float is the problem, an ownership switch would not materially change this situation.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22350 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):

Arr poor aul CVD I know a member will be gutted about that Reg going  

Strike action closer :


Aer Lingus unions vote to engage in industrial action over pension arrangements reform

Members of the six unions representing workers in Aer Lingus and the Dublin Airport Authority have voted in a dispute over plans by the companies to reform pension arrangements.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0801/aer...ns-vote-for-industrial-action.html


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22338 times:

FR allegedly looking to buy a share in STN:

http://www.herald.ie/news/ryanair-lo...5pc-stake-in-stansted-3186463.html

If they did, it could be an interesting wake-up call for them, or could give them ideas on how to squeeze airports even further.


User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 22069 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
Meanwhile, EI-CVD has been repainted as AP-EDD for AirBlue.

Indeed, with photos of its new livery taken in BOD posted at the link below:-

http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20609&p=141023

And nicely photographed by Ken Meegan arriving back into Dublin yesterday evening...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/namcys11/7693182878/



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 21896 times:

Dublin Airport's Old Terminal During Construction

http://youtu.be/ESjS9jWgMqQ

Some really old material there . Never seen that video before . Hopefully there is more to come .
---

Some good news for ORK :

Ryanair announces five new routes from Cork airport

Four of the routes are to the Polish cites of Warsaw, Gdansk, Wroclaw and Krakow. The fifth new destination is to the Lithuanian capital Vilnius.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0802/rya...new-routes-from-cork-business.html

[Edited 2012-08-02 04:24:48]

User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 21732 times:

An interesting programme on the RTE player today that covers the opening of Knock airporrt in 1985. I always thought the first flight was a 747, but it was an EI 732 followed by an EI707 on flights to Rome.

Some thoughts after watching it.

Fr Horan was a true entrepreneur.
He was also a realist in hindsight - said back then that the airport was not about making money but a piece of infrastructure for the state.
The airport has washed its face financially - just about.
How small the world was then "flights would come from all over the world America, UK and the 'continent'."
How Ireland has changed so much.
Sean Barrett, economist, still getting it wrong so many years later.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21663 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Ryanair announces five new routes from Cork airport

Four of the routes are to the Polish cites of Warsaw, Gdansk, Wroclaw and Krakow.

Impressive coverage of the Polish market from a relatively small airport in a smallish market. (Not starting any rows here)


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21622 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 11):

I'm not sure if this is such good news for Cork. It will just drive out Wizz, and then Cork will be left with a familiar duopoly of carriers.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21596 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 10):
An interesting programme on the RTE player today that covers the opening of Knock airporrt in 1985. I always thought the first flight was a 747, but it was an EI 732 followed by an EI707 on flights to Rome.

I remember the captain of the first flight was a Mayoman, Capt. Jack Bagnall.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 10):
Fr Horan was a true entrepreneur.
He was also a realist in hindsight - said back then that the airport was not about making money but a piece of infrastructure for the state.

He was indeed; I recall at the time it was started that Garret the Good was Taoiseach and of course, with his aviation background (and being aware of the economic straits we were in ), he said said no and then, of course, Charlie the Signifcantly Less Good, being the political opportunist he was, backed it strongly - purely for electoral reasons, but unlike Msgr. Horan, almost certainly didn't see its importance as a piece of infrastructure.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 11):
Impressive coverage of the Polish market from a relatively small airport in a smallish market. (Not starting any rows here)

Unlike a certain district justice!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21566 times:

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 12):

Is Wizz still flying out of ORK ? I always forget about them TBH .


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21559 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):

Indeed they are! 4 routes I think, all of which now being launched by FR.

Those wishing for an EI/FR merger - take note!



You just can't keep a good man down!
User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6320 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21516 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
Meanwhile, EI-CVD has been repainted as AP-EDD for AirBlue.

My favourite Aer Lingus A320   

Fingers crossed a new Caoimhín/St Kevin joins the fleet soon!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Ryanair announces five new routes from Cork airport

Four of the routes are to the Polish cites of Warsaw, Gdansk, Wroclaw and Krakow. The fifth new destination is to the Lithuanian capital Vilnius.

All of these routes are already operated by Wizzair who have been very successful at Cork, the other route is Poznan which Ryanair have kindly decided not launch...yet. I wouldn't be surprised if within the next two years Wizzair reduce and eventually pull out of Cork, Ryanair will have done what they set out to do and pull the routes in a spat over airport charges or something like that. Ryanair at its finest.


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21467 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 16):

Yup, the squeeze is now on Cork. Soon enough, both ORK and SNN will be clawing each other's eyes out to get FR's business.

It shant be pretty to watch!



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21423 times:
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Quoting pesit4a (Reply 12):
I'm not sure if this is such good news for Cork. It will just drive out Wizz, and then Cork will be left with a familiar duopoly of carriers.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Is Wizz still flying out of ORK ? I always forget about them TBH
Quoting pesit4a (Reply 15):
Indeed they are! 4 routes I think, all of which now being launched by FR.

Those wishing for an EI/FR merger - take note!

I have to admit forgetting about Wizz myself......definitely a note for any argument for an FR/EI merger.

[Edited 2012-08-02 12:28:57]

User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21152 times:

Interesting - on the RTE player there is a very funny comedy programme from 1999 - in it there is an real RTE interviewer asking stupid questions....

One passerby in temple bar is asked the question.

"today in the news there is a story about Ryanair dropping five routes because of high airport chargest - do you think this is a real reason, or is it that they are just a shite airline?"

13 years later, FR still giving the same excuses....



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21082 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
I remember the captain of the first flight was a Mayoman, Capt. Jack Bagnall.

Coincidentally, I have been informed that Capt. Bagnall died last Thursday. He had also served in the Air Corps, prior to joining Aer Lingus.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 21011 times:

Ryanair do seem anxious to take on Wizz at ORK.

I suppose the only question is why it took them so long to do so, given their usual form and given that Wizz have not sought to serve DUB, presumably a larger ethnic market. Wizz seem to be happy with the ORK series of flights but not for long more, I fear.


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 20988 times:

Ryanairs move will see a short lived boost in passenger numbers and lower fares, followed by a Wizz departure. FR will then demand route discounts from the airport authorities.

Interesting competitive advantage FR have in having market dominance.



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 20978 times:
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Quoting dstc47 (Reply 21):
I suppose the only question is why it took them so long to do so, given their usual form and given that Wizz have not sought to serve DUB, presumably a larger ethnic market. Wizz seem to be happy with the ORK series of flights but not for long more, I fear.

Yes, I fear that ORK will ultimately loose out here in the long run and will loose a loyal and good customer (unlike what can be said about one of ORK's other customers...). It is a bit sad when we all see a new route announcement as ultimately being a bad thing but them's the breaks when FR are involved! I'm sure this is part of the reason why they have continued to serve Poland from SNN (albeit with a limited schedule).



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User currently offlinelasno From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 20916 times:

Aer Lingus tops aviation regulator's complaints league. In 2011 there were more complaints about Aer Lingus than any other airline. This suprises me as I thought another Irish airline would have beaten them for first prize!


http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/H...410615-5218-501a-4085-5a52e0681387


25 Post contains links OA260 : Aer Lingus rules out West Coast route which makes sense . I think they would be better with YYZ to be honest as the news item suggests they have been
26 bestwestern : Largest airline in Ireland, operating in a more challenging segment, including long haul and interline baggage. 2,954 related to an assortment of bag
27 ClassicLover : I would say that Canada will come when the A350s arrive. It will free up A330s for additional routes - or the A350 with its better economics will be
28 EIDL : I'm pretty sure that they carry more pax than Ryanair at this stage. And that's going off Ryanair's pax figures that include no-shows, at that. They
29 EagleBoy : I suppose the offering connections and long haul opens any airline to more complain possibilities....I also suspect that many ULCC pax would not both
30 ClassicLover : Then what explains the recent improvements in punctuality? It was something mentioned in an annual report that Aer Lingus would focus on, and they di
31 Post contains links kaitak : I hope they get into the Canadian market before then. I think their best bet would be to see if they could do an interline deal with Westjet, along t
32 EIDL : The new quad-zonal boarding procedure is FAR faster from experience, anyway. They also seem to be more pro-active in tearing bags off late arrivers a
33 ClassicLover : Yes, that would make sense. There had been talk at some stage (though not in a while) of oneworld courting Westjet. I think they miss the Canadian fe
34 Nibog : I have noticed on flight radar a lot of flights holding off the coast,with some diversions to BFS and SNN,any reason for this??
35 EIDL : AA flight diverted to DUB and temporarily disabled 16/34, apparently (from another forum)[Edited 2012-08-03 14:56:09]
36 Nibog : Many thanks for that EIDL,i have just switched on live act,a few aircraft in the hold as I type!!.
37 EIRules : AA 757 emergency landing LHR-BOS blocked the runway
38 Post contains links and images kaitak : Nice shot of the first Shaheen A330, formerly Aer Lingus's EI-CRK View Large View MediumPhoto © JPC van Heijst - AirTeamImages Also, a report from Av
39 OA260 : Interesting some of the comments about it should have gone to SNN instead. I guess the Engineers being at DUB make sense if that is true .
40 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : The 757 was still at DUB this evening, though a replacement aircraft had arrived during the day and taken the passengers on to Boston. N172AJ Boeing 7
41 dstc47 : Nice photos 251. Good to see more than blues and greens at DUB.
42 bestwestern : Posted on PPrune that BA will increase flying to x8 daily from this winter to Heathrow. If so, thats a fairly bloody nose for EI, and excellent news f
43 pesit4a : Great news if true. The competitive situation on Dublin - London needs a serious shake up. It's been too cosy for too long with an effective duopoly
44 OA260 : Certainly is good news if it is true . That's a doubling of the current schedule and if the prices come down then it will be welcome. The fares are w
45 bestwestern : Interesting days ahead in the dynamic Irish aviation industry as BA are stronger competitors than BD ever were. Two night stops and a good schedule is
46 Post contains images ClassicLover : How? Most of the Economy Class flights are priced at €60. This includes food and a bag. The Aer Lingus Plus Fares are at €62 - which also include
47 OA260 : They certainly are not on many of the days I looked at . Especially one week before . Im a regular on the DUB-LHR and DUB-LGW and have noticed over t
48 EIRules : Not great news for EI especially as they seem to be considering attempts at strengthening their LHR network. Perhaps this is BA's response to those ru
49 Post contains images pesit4a : Try getting them. I never can at times I want and those are rarely at peak times either. FR fares have also become a bit ridiculous. Far, far too cos
50 OA260 : Indeed I just put in random dates for end of August and BA were EUR172 for a midweek daytrip to LHR . EI were EUR156 no bags no food . Similar timing
51 pesit4a : An aul shake up has been long overdue. Carriers have been chasing yield over volume which certainly gets them through the hard times, but is not good
52 AmricanShamrok : Fares on SNN-LHR and SNN-LGW are a good bit more competitive with 111.00 and 30.00 return respectively for random dates over the next four weeks. I im
53 Post contains links kaitak : Good news (I think!) for Aer Lingus .... not a huge increase, but an increase anyway; read the attached article - I think the editor must have been as
54 Post contains links and images OA260 : Not bad at all. Increase is always better then decrease --- Emirates will be promoting DUB in a major sporting event : Emirates to showcase Dublin du
55 AmricanShamrok : Has EI stopped outsourcing groundstaff in the US? The reason I ask is because all staff now wear the full EI uniform (as previously discussed) and the
56 Post contains links OA260 : Some welcome news for Aer Lingus Im sure . The UK Competition Appeal Tribunal has today dismissed Ryanair's appeal against the Competition Commission'
57 Post contains images kyrone : EI still outsources their US ground staff although they wear the uniform (only a few airlines put the outsourced staff in their uniforms- which I thin
58 Cabincrewifly : The FR flight from REU to ORK last night diverted to SNN after circling Cork airport for nearly an hour due to fog. They then made 2 missed approaches
59 tonymctigue : Ah the age old problem that has plagued ORK since before it was even an airport! God bless the innocence (or rather the political stroke) that lead t
60 pesit4a : Urban Myth would have you believe this was a conspiracy between Dublin and Shannon to keep the natural hub of Ireland down......As opposed to the tru
61 OA260 : Indeed they do this at LHR too . Even if they don't work under contract from the Airline making them feel part of the same company/team really makes
62 pesit4a : They need to do this right across the network! Unfortunately, it probably is not feasible at some points where there are perhaps just a handful of we
63 EIBusiness : PAX on the 124 a few nights ago were very impressed by this too - enquiring of the crew as to how ''Aer Lingus had employees based in the Chicago are
64 Post contains links shamrock350 : Katie Taylor's historic win in the Olympic women's boxing this afternoon was apparently announced on some Aer Lingus flights! I know they do this a lo
65 pesit4a : This is a bit of forte of Herr Muller. He is quite brand obsessed. One only has to look at what has been / is being done at Hanger 6 to see that ever
66 OA260 : Its great to see that . Attention to detail is vital in protecting any brand . I have not seen that since the launch of the new livery in the 90's .
67 Post contains links ei2ksea : Folks, I'm always lurking around here but I didnt notice the announcement that EI would relocate to JetBlues Terminal 5 in JFK being mentioned. Apolog
68 OA260 : Yes it was mentioned and your right great for the connections. Just still wondering what they will do about GC lounge access or 3rd party .
69 Post contains links ClassicLover : An interesting blog post about Aer Lingus Business Class...
70 ei2ksea : Good point. Separately, I thought that the evening DUB-JFK flight didnt use customs and immigration pre-clearance in DUB as the facility was closed b
71 ClassicLover : That didn't seem to post properly. Just Google Aer Lingus Business Class blog and it's the Lucky Charms Ireland one.
72 EIRules : I dont think thats a bad thing. EI have a brand to be proud of (historically anyway) and any chance to enhance those credentials should be used. The
73 Post contains images OA260 : Someone mentioned that they might park that one in the International area then tow it over. I guess the benefits of the other flights which are more
74 goldcrest : Would be great to see the "Gabriel's Oboe" advert brought in to this age. Re shot scene for scene, but replaced with current images etc.....
75 Post contains links OA260 : Certainly would with maybe a few shots from the original upto today to reflect the history . I doubt we ever will though I dont think they want to lo
76 kyrone : When I worked for a ground handler, I found that the accounts I worked on that provided us with the airline uniform definitely did make you feel like
77 Post contains links and images OA260 : New Aer Lingus baggage allowance for the cabin come into force on Monday 13th August. Only one piece for TATL and UK/Europe flights and that includes
78 dstc47 : The ever downward spiral continues. DAA wont be happy with this development, given that duty free TATL is pretty important to them, whereas EU duty f
79 Post contains images auntie : Am I looking at it incorrectly or does the graphic not say a small personal item is still allowed? Where did you see this OA? I've looked on the websi
80 shamrock350 : The new Aer Lingus carry on rules still allow the small personal item it always unoffically has done, this is just claryfying that. Tose travelling in
81 Post contains images aerdingus : One of the things they had over FR....damn now there's not much difference....I always get so stressed packing my handbag into the bloody case!
82 Post contains links and images shamrock350 : You won't have to. Handbags are still allowed in addition to your main bag. http://www.ittn.ie/bulletins/new-aer-lingus-cabin-baggage-allowances/
83 Post contains images auntie : Thanks for posting the link. That's grand so. I stay within these limits anyway generally so no change for me - phew! Indeed it was all sounding all
84 Post contains images aerdingus : Phew, thank god, panic over! Scary!
85 ClassicLover : So they're trying to save costs and there was money for someone to rejig the seat map?? The point of that being what? Strange thing to do.
86 EIDL : Likely delayed from the "new" website works - either that or they now have retained web design/programming staff.
87 kaitak : It's great to see - and not surprising that EI is going to increase to 10 or 11 pw from next Summer; the most recent monthly report from EI showed lo
88 EagleBoy : Looking at that, they have moved from an actual map of the seats to circle to indicate seat locations? Am I right? If so I can see 2 reasons to do so
89 AmricanShamrok : The EI longhaul fleet is still "up in the air" though (pun intended). Still no word on the potential A321NEO order and if the A350s will replace or co
90 Post contains links EIRules : http://avherald.com/h?article=4540c527&opt=1 Medical emergency My concern here is that EI have another 3 years to wait for further L/H aircraft. I
91 bestwestern : Yes, looks like I will be joining you in eating tart aux humble too. The main change has been the way they have grown the connection business in Dubl
92 EI912 : I agree bestwestern, should the DUB 330 fleet become over stretched, SNN could well see the removal of their transatlantic service, which would be bo
93 dstc47 : It would seem that business class demand being very limited here explains both EI's lack of interest in Canada, over many years, and AC's use of bone
94 tonymctigue : I wonder if they did go for that option, would they repaint the B772 in EI colours like they did with the MD-11 they had leased from World Airways a
95 OA260 : Certainly would look cool. The MD-11 which I had the pleasure of flying was great in the EI livery . Also the Premier section was refurbed with green
96 EagleBoy : In fairness to both of ye (and the other in the "A350 is too big for EI" gang) the A350 order was signed by the previous 'management' team who had no
97 AmricanShamrok : Not to reopen the SNN debate now but many indications suggest that SNN longhaul is peforming better than expected and is not going anywhere. The shor
98 tonymctigue : It would be unwise for EI to stretch themselves to thin. I would chance to speculate that much of the connecting traffic that EI has started to attra
99 bestwestern : I was actually suggesting that EI increase capacity ex shannon using a 777, or even better leasing two 757s from Omni to go daily to BOS and JFK - an
100 tonymctigue : Or, better yet, using 2 x leased B757s to operate daily to BOS, 4 x weekly to JFK and 3 x weekly to ORD.
101 callbell : Any ideas on who would have B757's available for lease?
102 Post contains images EIBusiness : That's not correct from anecdotal evidence and also from what I have seen. Yes - EI have attracted Business passengers connecting from the UK - howev
103 Post contains links and images OA260 : Over the years we have enjoyed the BMI Voyager magazine on the Dublin to Heathrow routes. This is the last edition of the in flight magazine . Shame t
104 kaitak : I don't think we'll be seeing 757s in EI colours, but hasn't it been said here in the past that EI is interested in the potential of the A321NEO as a
105 AmricanShamrok : The EI livery would look good on a 757 but wouldn't A320 pilots need to be trained to operate them? Could they operate the 757 and A320/A321 jointly?
106 Post contains images bestwestern : For yield and competitive positioning, EI would be better going for the 757 as an interim solution, allows them to reduce capacity in the winter. If
107 callbell : Is availability of B757's not an issue though? I wouldn't have thought there are very many ready for lease.
108 kaitak : That would be an issue; I believe FedEx is also hunting down 752s for conversion to cargo. Those who have them aren't keen on parting with them ,eith
109 tonymctigue : I think B752s are generally in short supply, specially ETOPS certified ones and with no immediate replacement available then one can imagine that sit
110 Post contains links shamrock350 : Team Ireland arrived home on Aer Lingus A321 EI-CPG, some good publicity for the airline with Katie Taylor showing off her gold medal from the cockpit
111 Post contains links OA260 : Air Canada turned a decent performance in its Atlantic markets given the economic volatility occurring in Europe. Capacity in those markets fell 0.2%
112 Post contains links shamrock350 : Here's the official Aer Lingus video welcoming Team Ireland home, some nice shots of the aircraft and some crew dressed in the old uniforms again. htt
113 Phen : Just saw on another thread that EI133 was supposedly operated by a Hi Fly A343 because of lightning damage to an aircraft (thread says 2 aircraft?) in
114 pesit4a : The Dove livery A319 is a very common visitor to Dublin. It's usually here a couple of times a day.
115 Post contains links OA260 : Dublin Airport Toasts Success At International Food And Beverage Awards Dublin Airport has won a prestigious international award for the quality of it
116 Post contains links and images OA260 : Official announcement about the BA increase at DUB . Good news about the 6:25am flight for connections British Airways to double number of Dublin-Heat
117 Post contains images ClassicLover : Loving the "It's great to see British Airways back in Dublin after 20 years" ... clearly I was flying "ghost BA" to Gatwick back in the late 2000s
118 Post contains images pesit4a : Well, you know what they say: If it ain't Heathrow, old chap, it ain't BA! More generally, it's very good news for Dublin Airport - and for Terminal
119 Post contains images shamrock321 : Great BA news indeed, great that ''we'' even fly to DUB at all! Great for staff travel aswell
120 tonystan : I wish they would just move to T2.....Would make the darting between desks for standby purposes easier! LOL!
121 pesit4a : Indeed it would, but i'd imagine the DAA are very keen to keep them where they are to keep some life in Pier B!
122 Post contains links cipango : Etihad EY48 returned to DUB last night just after reaching the Welsh border. Was due to a medical emergency. http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/2012-08-1
123 Post contains images OA260 : Also makes sense for the Terraces lounge
124 pesit4a : Are BA planning to develop a proper Terraces lounge at DUB? With that sort of frequency, you'd imagine it's more than viable?
125 AmricanShamrok : I think there are nine or ten A319s in the Dove livery so I doubt they're that rare to spot. Cool! I suppose AA would then move out of the Aer Lingus
126 Post contains images pesit4a : The lounge set up in DUB is all over the shop! Normal rules of alliances and partners mostly do not apply!
127 tonystan : The only problem with that is if BA intend on using the current BMI lounge then this is in T1 and the AA flights use T2 which is still a hike which w
128 Post contains links and images OA260 : Well it would depend really. Customers without status would most likely use the EI one still and customers with status would be able to use Oneworld
129 EI1989 : I have a question about Aer Lingus fares and the gold circle points and was wondering if anyone can answer it.The plus fare is advertised on the fare
130 EIBusiness : Indeed - this issue has been raised on the forum here repeatedly - no worries! Yes - all Gold Circle PLUS fares should be points earning. Aer Lingus
131 Post contains links OA260 : Its an EI IT fail. All Plus fare earn GC points but you need to do a retro claim on the website . 'If you wish to enter a flight for which you purcha
132 Post contains images EI1989 : Thanks both for that. I'll add my voice to chorus calling for an overhaul of the programme and the IT system, it is rather archaic.
133 kaitak : Yes, a bit careless! If an Irish newspaper had said TLV was BA's only destination in Palestine, there'd be hell to pay! Interesting - and not at all
134 shamrock321 : No longer a rumour, BA have loaded the 8 daily LHR flights into the booking system!
135 Post contains images OA260 : Indeed On the BA Winter schedule the time changes are coming in . I got a time change today on my DUB-LHR and LHR-DUB in Club Europe. One was by 15-2
136 Post contains links shamrock350 : The clearest indication yet that Ryanair would dismantle Aer Lingus in the event of a takeover. Ryanair is holding discussions with the European Commi
137 pesit4a : I'd take the offer somewhat more seriously if they had offered to pull Ryanair off the routes and not Aer Lingus. This is daft. Why the hell would Vi
138 EagleBoy : ........lets base our assumption on previous experience................regardless of what routes FR claim they will 'open up to competion' there will
139 pesit4a : You forgot: "The EU clearly has sided with the DAA monopoly, forcing us to use gold plated, taj mahal facilities..........."
140 kaitak : Aer Lingus will increase the MCO operation to 3w from next Summer; flights will now be operated on Tues, Thurs, Sat.
141 EagleBoy : Well that ends the speculation about a possible new route to YYZ (or similar) Unless EI source another aircraft they have already allotted 40 of the
142 tonystan : Iv noticed a significant amount of Wind Jet aircraft all parked up at the usual "resting place" around the back of DUB last night. Any idea whats happ
143 Post contains links and images AmricanShamrok : More bad news for Shannon Aer Lingus Regional is to suspend the Shannon-Bristol route from September 30th. RE blames low passenger numbers during the
144 Post contains links OA260 : Thats good to see and makes sense. I wonder would it ever make sense to run a MIA tag from MCO and if indeed it would be allowed? Shame to see but I
145 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : Too soon to say, as most have only arrived a matter of days ago. EI-EYH A320-214 by Irish251, on Flickr Airbus storage at Dublin, August 2012 by Iris
146 EagleBoy : Well from a very practical point of view the arrivals area in T2 is far smaller than its opposite number in T1. Is the VIP entrance still between T1
147 BrianDromey : Apparently some of the OLT Express frames are ex AB and will return to AB following the demise of OLT, partly this is the reason AB is selling some o
148 IRISH251 : Yes, a couple are ex-AB, though none of the ones at DUB fall into this category.
149 AmricanShamrok : They would be allowed to operate Dublin-Orlando-Miami but they would not be permitted to sell seats on the MCO-MIA sector locally. The prospect of a
150 Post contains links ClassicLover : I was having a look through the British Pathe web site, and found something I wasn't aware of. I didn't know Aer Lingus lost a Viscount in Bristol in
151 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : A passenger was arrested at Shannon Airport yesterday morning after arriving off UA24 from Newark. He was reportedly abusive and disruptive to crew on
152 Post contains images tonymctigue : Well, in fairness to EIR, it is not like many of the route that have come and gone after only a few months of trying. This has been going for a few y
153 Post contains links OA260 : Indeed and it would be a waste of time anyway . I was pointing towards Ireland-MIA traffic . If EI can test the waters by offering a MIA tag then it
154 EagleBoy : I would like to say 'clutching at straws'. However on the surface it does look as if FR is actively looking at options to ensure there is no monopoly
155 Post contains images tonymctigue : You write so poetically when you are angry It seem about down to the usual mal-informed standard of The Independent we all know and hate. I have to w
156 Post contains links EI1989 : While I would be the first to take what FR and MOL say with a pinch of salt, the possibility of VS operating DUB-LHR is not beyond the realms of poss
157 OA260 : Interesting the report is now ''embargoed'' ! Didnt take a screen shot by any chance?
158 EIBusiness : What do you mean by desperate attempt and when you suggest minimise the already massive loss? Note: FR have already written down their EI holding to
159 Phen : I sincerely hope this whole FR takeover bid nonsense just comes to an end once and for all soon. It would be a complete and utter disaster for Irish a
160 Post contains links EI1989 : Interesting indeed. I know it's all speculation and the credibility of the move is being questioned on another thread but it still shows that it may
161 captainmeeerkat : People seem to forget that the great EI once also had domination in the Ireland - everywhere else markets, even at the time FR were a small start-up
162 EI1989 : While it is true that BA and EI engaged in cartel like behaviour to try oust FR from the Irish market this was before the full deregulation of the av
163 captainmeeerkat : I agree EI1989, but I think it is disheartening to read time and time again the obvious hate that many people have for FR, in the face of their contin
164 EI1989 : I agree about the anti-FR sentiment. That alone isn't reason enough to dismiss a takeover. I always find it a bit odd how FR aren't championed more i
165 captainmeeerkat : Very well said EI1989, a nice summary there indeed
166 Phen : Excellent post EI1989, and I wholeheartedly agree with your above sentiment - why should we believe that UK or mainland European carriers are going t
167 captainmeeerkat : Thanks Phen for a very insightful post also. We shall wait for the inevitable competition ruling on this anyhow. Are FR looking to destroy the EI busi
168 Post contains images OA260 : Thanks for that link very interesting . Maybe it was an announcement that was not sanctioned to be released yet Also great post re FR .
169 Jambost : I remember a year or two back FR mentioned that they would keep EI as a premium brand to serve the main airports and that they would expand enough to
170 Post contains links EagleBoy : I am not a fan of FR due to their aggressive business practices, but saying that i have flown with them when it has suited me. (Day trips to UK with s
171 Post contains links OA260 : Some promising comments from Tim Clark: "Mr Clark said Emirates will probably add a second flight a day on the Dublin route in the next 18 months to t
172 bestwestern : Didn't EI Fly to Miami before? FR wants to sell the Heathrow slots then?
173 kaitak : I'm glad - and not surprised - to hear this; an overnight DUB-DXB would connect more effectively with EK's flights to SYD. EK is also getting rid of
174 tonymctigue : In my world and in most other people's worlds, when you buy loads of shares in a company at a price of €2 something that are now only €0.72, that
175 clydenairways : They flew regular charters to MIA in the very early '80s.
176 EIBusiness : There is absolutely nothing about creative accounting here - simply standard accounting practice, so stop incorrectly suggesting otherwise. My point
177 tonymctigue : It is still no where near what FR paid for it and until such a time price rises above what they paid for it, than as far as I'm concerned, they lost
178 jumpjets : Sounds like 'normal' fair value accounting under International Accounting Standards and UK/Irish GAAP. Nothing to criticise FR or anyone else about [
179 Post contains images tonymctigue : This is why we should let engineers run the Department of Finance and not accountants or economists
180 Post contains images EIBusiness : Did anybody dispute that? Let's remember - that the losses are simply paper ones and don't crystallise until the shares are actually disposed of. Who
181 bestwestern : Accounts can do the line maintenance then!
182 tonymctigue : That was actually the point I was originally making but you just put it in a better way. FR either want the whole thing to run as is and make their m
183 Post contains links OA260 : Ryanair bid to halt probe into its Aer Lingus stake rejected THE UK's Competition Appeals Tribunal (CAT) has refused Ryanair leave to appeal a decisio
184 Post contains links lasno : Maybe not completely exhausted. Ryanair are to appeal the ruling. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0821/1224322585566.html
185 OA260 : I can see this being refused too unless FR are very lucky.
186 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Ryanair are to increase frequency on the Kerry-London/Stansted from 4 weekly to daily beginning on 7th November. FR also operates daily on the Kerry-L
187 Post contains images EIBusiness : A slight aside at this point: however; perhaps much to your surprise - many of those top level employees in manufacturing and engineering based corpo
188 Post contains links and images Dublinspotter : Hi I was looking on the Cork Airport Wikipedia page and was looking at the Airlines and Destinations section and it says Aer Lingus are flying to Bost
189 Cabincrewifly : This rumour was going around the airport, word was it was going via BFS
190 OA260 : Heads up ! For those of you who can avail of group schemes here in Ireland there is a 30% discount on for Winter flights booked with EI.COM .
191 Post contains images Dublinspotter : Thanks, I didn't know A330's could land at the airport, I am sure this would've been a good idea if they route it through BFS to get extra passengers
192 EICPT : Haven't posted here in a long time... While this would be fantastic news for Cork, being realistic it seems very unlikely to happen. EI have spent the
193 Cabincrewifly : Very unlikely alright!
194 AmricanShamrok : EI doesn't have the aircraft to operate ORK-USA routes next summer - all seven A330s will be deployed elsewhere on five days of the week. Unless we do
195 Post contains images EICPT : Any possible future expansion that has a hope of being economically viable should go towards ramping up the Dublin hub also. Hub and spoke as a system
196 tonymctigue : Sounds like someone got a bit carried away with the Wikipedia page for ORK. If there is ever going to be transatlantic from ORK, it will be UA or DL w
197 shamrock350 : The only way I see Aer Lingus doing transatlantic from Cork is if Airbus come up with an A321NEO that has the legs for it. I think the 737MAX has alre
198 tonymctigue : I think even if the A321NEO ends up in the EI fleet as a sort of prooving arrangement similar to how the A330 first got into the fleet it is still a
199 OA260 : Totally agree some of the routes being proposed are pipe dreams. DUB will always be the focus going forward thats just the reality on this small Isla
200 AmricanShamrok : I could see DUB-JFK and DUB-BOS being increased to up to three 3x daily if and when EI get the A321NEOs. I'd say it would be a great aircraft to comp
201 OA260 : That would be interesting indeed and if the time was right might attract people but I wonder would it effect their overnight services ?
202 Post contains links kaitak : I never saw the point of those flights; I know there are a lot to London, but it seems that you waste a whole day. If EI had a late evening departure
203 dstc47 : RTE say that taxi drivers are refusing to pick up at DUB today, due to a row about spaces in the park for taxis. DAA seem to have reduced spaces there
204 AmricanShamrok : There is apparently less "jetlag" after east-bound day flights. I for one would love to try it; I hate that general feeling of sh*te and fatigue the
205 EIDL : Seems to be part of the plans to tighten turnaround speed and deal with the main moan seen about Aer Lingus - punctuality. This was realistically the
206 EagleBoy : As usual the Indo concentrates on the "headline grabber" for the article. The new policy according to the email I got is '1 piece of baggage plus 1 p
207 Post contains images auntie : More like the old "why let the truth get in the way of a good story?" The original story was laughable in it's incorrectness. Is there no onus on jou
208 Post contains images EIBoston : I did it once from BOS-LHR-ORK. It was a bit of rush getting from T3 to T1 for the last flight to ORK and I didn't have much time to think about it.
209 OA260 : I can see the arguements on both sides but for me I hate overnight flights and in Y it kills me for two days . I feel horrible . If flying J or F the
210 pesit4a : My thoughts exactly! Indeed we discussed this only recently on foot of a question I posed in travel, polls and prefs forum. I think a lot of people w
211 Post contains links EICPT : For interest to anyone transiting through Cork, full Cat. 2 ILS has been restored after a recent disruption. http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?p=93&n=96
212 bestwestern : Without even looking at the thread on PPrune I can assume that the tin hat brigade were out in force over the last few days. Let me guess, the DAA br
213 Post contains images EICPT : I'll not give them the satisfaction of reading it I can only imagine however!! EICPT
214 Post contains images pesit4a : Got it in one. DAA/CAA/IAA are all in on it. They decide to where an individual flight diverts and not the airline's crew and Operations Controllers.
215 Post contains links tonymctigue : Just spotted this on the SNN website. It is refreshing to see some bit of imagination from the marketing team at SNN for once. Pity they didn't do mor
216 Post contains links and images AmricanShamrok : My "I'm for Shannon" car sticker is already on proud display for about a month now Didn't see this - a new lounge is now open at Ireland West Airport
217 OA260 : Its a good idea. I saw some pics of it . Small and homely one might say . Brown leather sofas and chairs easy on the eye design.
218 ei2ksea : They'll need more than car stickers to help SNN survive. I really do love how Ireland West is on the up and up with a no-whining business approach wh
219 AmricanShamrok : Well, the new management team will be taking their seats early next year and hopefully big reforms will be made both internally and how SNN is market
220 EI320 : All airports spend time exploring new route opportunities with airlines. An absence of new routes does not necessarily mean that efforts are not bein
221 clydenairways : Hmmm, a bit like "Save our Stopover" stickers. They would be better to support their local airport by flying out of it. Pin your support doesn't real
222 pesit4a : They certainly have been speaking to airlines - KL and LH included. The route development manager at KLM produced a newspaper clipping of an image of
223 Post contains links and images bestwestern : its not the passengers, god no... it's Aer Lingus who are trying to sell people flights to Dublin on flights that stop in shannon. I love the bullshi
224 pesit4a : What nonsense is he talking?? No EI US bound flight makes a stopover in either SNN or DUB anymore??!!
225 bestwestern : Anyone think he's making it up? He's talking nonsense. He's talking politics. These guys have no idea whats going on at the airport, yet think they k
226 Post contains links EI320 : "Councillor Ryan claimed a Clare businessman who wanted to fly from JFK to Shannon had difficulty doing so because Aer Lingus US staff tried to sell h
227 EagleBoy : The article gets better, that Councillor Ryan is a gas man: "Councillor Ryan claimed........................................................If you boo
228 EIDL : Local politicians to SNN seem to be getting slowly more and more deranged as the airport atrophies.
229 pesit4a : A very rude awakening is going to greet these people when they realise that there is no queue of airlines waiting to serve the Shannon, or even the I
230 EIBusiness : I agree entirely. In fact - it is simply brilliant. Time and time again, history has proven that artificial governmental intervention in free market
231 pesit4a : While that post will surely open up a massive can of whoop ass.......it's hard not to agree!
232 tonymctigue : Once again I find myself apologising on behalf of the sort of lunatic bullshit that came out of the gob of a local representative in the Clare region
233 bestwestern : Tony, no need to apologies. Just don't vote for him the next time! Secondly, I'm not sure of the value of these stickers, or facebook promotions are i
234 EagleBoy : I agree that the sticker campaign may not deliver and tangible benefits directly to the airport itself. However I feel it is an attempt to get the po
235 tonystan : If I was a prospective new client for SNN and I was in the area checking it out and saw loads of cars with "Save Shannon" plastered on the side of th
236 AmricanShamrok : It's "I'm for Shannon" not "save Shannon" or any reference to a dying airport for that matter. You may as well get the facts right if you're going to
237 pesit4a : I think Tony is referring to a past campaign. I remember it, but it was about 20 years ago. Thankfully they now have something more positive. I like
238 bx737 : First off I should state that I am a jackeen from the big nasty area that wants to kill Shannon, at least in the eyes of Shannon politicians. Through
239 pesit4a : Yup, that's a huge part of it. Nobody will touch with a barge pole because Shannon is FR's political football, and they will defend it to the last.
240 tonystan : AS, You dont know me nor anything about my connections with SNN so dont assuming Im SNN Bashing because you know what they say about people who assum
241 bestwestern : It was from about five years ago, when EI announced the cessation of Heathrow. I am 99.9% sure that its Save Shannon Airport and by the Clare People
242 AmricanShamrok : Oh hi BestWestern?! OK I'll stop with the SNN-bashing accusations but here's a proposition; you may start making constructive contributions besides "
243 Post contains links kaitak : Here's another fact to note: our next thread is now up and running: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling (by kaitak Aug 25 2012 in Civil A
244 bestwestern : Shamrok, If I knew the answer to that..... In my opinion, Shannon is a vital piece of State infrastructure, and due to the size of the infrastructure
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