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Boy 11 Stranded In UAE Due To Sudden Flying Fear.  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27026 posts, RR: 58
Posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 19404 times:

Must be horrible to have something like this after years of being ok . Anyone ever experienced this ?

Also shame the Saudi authorities wouldnt look on him with compassion and grant a visa so he can get home by other ways.

Doesnt seem to be anything obvious that triggered it like a bad flight or anything .

The family of a boy from Weston-super-Mare have been trying to bring him home from the Middle East for a month after he suddenly developed a fear of flying.

Joe Thompson, 11, should have flown back from Abu Dhabi with his parents on 1 July, but said his body "locks down" every time he goes near the airport.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-19048737

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19780 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 19252 times:

Give him some lorazepam and put him on the flight?

User currently onlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3307 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 19195 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Give him some lorazepam and put him on the flight?

That's my recipe! Alprazolam for anxiety, Bonine for motion sickness, and a ton of Ginger Ale!

Works every time.

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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 18854 times:

The linked article mentions that the parents gave him medicine without saying what it was. The UAE is very strict when it comes to drugs and many over the counter medicines in other countries can only be carried if you have a valid prescription. Possession of such substances can have serious consequences as the UAE treats many common prescription drugs as narcotics or drugs of addiction, whereas in other countries they may be viewed as psychotropics.

Both Lorazepam and Alprazolam are on the UAE's list of Controlled Substances - Class A. These are drugs for which a prescription must be held. In UAE, they can only be dispensed upon production of a registered (health authority-approved) prescription.

The article does not mention whether the parents obtained, or sought to obtain these or similar drugs in the UAE. Must be a worry not being able to leave after having given up their jobs.

Hopefully a solution will be found sooner than later.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 18729 times:

Three words:

ZANEX! ZANEX! ZANEX!

Jokes aside, I feel so bad for the kid. It must be horrible to be like that, especially that far away from home.

[Edited 2012-07-31 20:24:53]

User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 618 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 18682 times:

Ha. My parents would have found a fix for this problem real quick! They would just walk me outside and five minutes later my fear of flying is cured. It is now replaced by a fear of getting another good ole fashion *** whooping! Hum, fear or getting on the plane of fear of that belt. I'll take my chances on the plane. Since they are in the UAE his parents can spank him as much as they want.


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User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 18607 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
ZANEX! ZANEX! ZANEX!

It's Xanax... Also known as Alprazolam. As someone with sever anxiety, I often find taking anxiety meds does not work. I've fallen asleep at the airport and missed flights before taking my normal dose of Xanax.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19780 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 18444 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 3):
Both Lorazepam and Alprazolam are on the UAE's list of Controlled Substances - Class A. These are drugs for which a prescription must be held. In UAE, they can only be dispensed upon production of a registered (health authority-approved) prescription.

Well, you go to a doctor. I've written for some lorazepam on some kids this age who freak out for their shots.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 18320 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Well, you go to a doctor.

Of course but travellers need to be aware that drugs that they carry routinely and can buy over the counter in one country are not necessarily permitted in another country. For example, you can be arrested for having common non-prescription drugs containing codeine. Some substances need not only a prescription but also an approval issued by the UAE health authority before you can import them, and this may also apply to people who are merely in transit at an airport. Hence my word of caution when it comes to people recommending the use of drugs to other people.

As a doctor you are probably familiar with this but other posters may not even think about it and may end up in a difficult situation as a result. If anyone is travelling with medicines it is strongly recommended that they contact the authorities in the country they are travelling to if they have any doubts. I previously had to travel with my mother who had been prescribed both galantamine (Reminyl) and escitalopram (Lexapro) and knew that the latter is a Controlled Drug Class B – Controlled Medicine in the UAE. This class includes ingredient used in many medicines for things like coughs and colds. A ten minute phone call is much better than ten years in gaol, particularly where you can be arrested for having poppy seeds dropping off a bagel.  


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6234 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 18269 times:
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I´m not sure a dose of any benzodiazepine will work for this kid, unless it renders him unconscious. I´d rather use Niitrous Oxide, but that doesn´t last once you stop breathing it. What about Propofol? But then you would need an anesthesiologist to come along for the ride. Strange and bad situation for the kid.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19780 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 18260 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):

I´m not sure a dose of any benzodiazepine will work for this kid, unless it renders him unconscious. I´d rather use Niitrous Oxide, but that doesn´t last once you stop breathing it. What about Propofol? But then you would need an anesthesiologist to come along for the ride. Strange and bad situation for the kid.

Never underestimate the power of a benzo.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6234 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 18227 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Never underestimate the power of a benzo.

I´m not saying a benzo won´t knock him out. I´m saying it´s gonna take a good quantity of them, especially if he is in a phobic state. You also have the issue of the paradoxical effect which could occurr, and then it would be for naught.


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 17862 times:

Extraordinary situation. I hope the Saudis will reconsider and grant visas on compassionate grounds.

User currently offlineAmericanAirFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 17657 times:

They should just do like they always did to Mr. T in the A-Team. I'm sure that kid wouldn't be saying "Bettah not put me on no airplane foool!"

Sorry I couldn't resist  

In all seriousness though this is the best idea:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 5):
Ha. My parents would have found a fix for this problem real quick! They would just walk me outside and five minutes later my fear of flying is cured. It is now replaced by a fear of getting another good ole fashion *** whooping! Hum, fear or getting on the plane of fear of that belt. I'll take my chances on the plane. Since they are in the UAE his parents can spank him as much as they want.

I mean honestly. What would you do if it was your kid?



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7204 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 17493 times:

time to send him back by boat or by road. It is only 7100km or so to drive. I did more than that on a recent driving tour of Europe...

User currently onlinemacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1046 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 17046 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 15):
time to send him back by boat or by road. It is only 7100km or so to drive. I did more than that on a recent driving tour of Europe...

That would be quite a fun trip on the road. From Abu Dhabi, you go through Saudi - oh wait, no visa - then through Iraq and Syria (well known for their beautiful landscape, their state of the art tourist infrastructure and peaceful people), right into Turkey. Maybe with a stop in Lebanon on the way.
Alternatively, you can always try to cross Iran...



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User currently offlinehigherflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 17003 times:

Poor kid!

My nieces moved from the UK to the Gulf when they were very little (4 and 3). They walked down a jetbridge to their business class seats and fell asleep, waking after the landing in Bahrain where they walked off a jetbridge to the terminal. They asked their parents why my wife and I were in London instead of Bahrain.

If only Joe could be as unaware as they were.


User currently offlinetennis69 From Qatar, joined Apr 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 16618 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 5):
Ha. My parents would have found a fix for this problem real quick! They would just walk me outside and five minutes later my fear of flying is cured. It is now replaced by a fear of getting another good ole fashion *** whooping! Hum, fear or getting on the plane of fear of that belt. I'll take my chances on the plane. Since they are in the UAE his parents can spank him as much as they want.

This is exactly what my parents would have done, and what I would do if I faced this situation. This boy's parants are WHIMPS!


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 16238 times:

Blindfold him, noise cancelling headphones and don't tell him where he's going. Of course this would require a little co-operation from the authorities so probably out of the question.

User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 16148 times:

Something similar has happened to me.
Well, at least that I have developed a sudden, out of the blue, fear of flying.
I guess it has to do with the loss of control that I have developed after a few instances of feeling totally out of control (death of my father, being dumped by my long time girlfriend and bankruptcy of my former employer all within two months).



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User currently offlineFN1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 16043 times:

My proposal:

- get a visa for Iran. For tourists, even from UK, Iran still is a safe country, anetters from Iran can confirm this.
- take a coach to Ras-al-Khaimah
- take a boat to Bandar-e-Abbas in Iran
- within Iran land transport is good develloped and safe.
- from Teheran there are coach lines to Turkey, I think there is also a daily train service to Istanbul
- from Turkey there are regular trains and coaches to Bucharest, Belgrade, maybe also to Vienna, and onward to the UK

Travel time: Iran 3-4 days, Turkey 2-3 days, Europe 3-4 days

Edit:
Since no one can estimate the log-term effect of the medication I think giving drugs to a child should be no option.

[Edited 2012-08-01 03:31:58]


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9435 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 15929 times:

Or, offer the lad the alternatives.

Get on the next damn plane bound for the UK

or be sold as slave on the local market.

I mean, how did we, who are a bit older, grew up in the 50s? Feather bedded? What would our parents have told us in that case? Life is tough and no one promised a rose garden.



Quoting FN1001 (Reply 20):
take a boat to Bandar-e-Abbas in Iran

what if he gets sea sick as well? Or claustophobia on a bus?

[Edited 2012-08-01 04:04:01]


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User currently offlineFN1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 15782 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21):
I mean, how did we, who are a bit older, grew up in the 50s? Feather bedded? What would our parents would told us in that case? Life is tough and no one promised a rose garden.

In the seventies we had feather bed from real goose   not IKEA polyurethane foam. I guess my father would have kicked my a-- and sent me to take a cold shower in the garden but the difference is that this boy is ill and we were healthy.

Reading the article I got the impression that there is a serious psychic problem. The symptom, strong anxiety can be ignored when forcing the boy in an aircraft, but that can make the base problem even worse.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3009 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 15717 times:
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The solution is a call to shipping broker and booking a passage on a freighter.

Yes you still can do that might be expensive but it will get the kid out of the area and on his way back to the UK.

It is very costly $4000-$5000 would be about the going rate and it would take about 8 weeks.

Read the story some days ago with the talk of bringing the kid overland . The parents have been advised by the UK FO not cross Iraq or Syria for security reasons or enter Iran.

I don't see the problem with Iran with correct paper work as this would get them up to the Turkish frontier (I would have more concerns for safety in parts of Turkey beyond Diyarbakır ) and then across Europe. Frankly this is the only viable cross land route. So the FO rather than general advice should be doing the job they are paid for contacting Tehran and getting the necessary assurances and paper work and travel arrangements sorted right NOW !

The southern route across Saudi could work again subject to UK FO doing their job and actually talking to Riyadh and expressing the humanitarian nature and plight of this family.

This route could take them across the desert in a few days to Yanbu a ferry to Egypt land crossing upto Alexandria and ferry to Italy - Problem is the Egypt- Italy ferry is suspended as it is a triangular service Italy/Egypt/Syria/Italy and rather irregular !

Again the help of a Broker would be needed as there certainly are commercial sailings and cruise liners out of Egypt on a frequent basis back towards Europe.


User currently offlineDocGATTACA From Singapore, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 15595 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Give him some lorazepam and put him on the flight?

That's just what I was thinking.


25 AFGMEL : Another vote for smack upside the head.
26 HAWAIIAN932 : I had a friend who was a flight attendent for CO for nearly 15 years. She woke up one morning and was suddenly terrified to fly. She had to quit her j
27 spiritair97 : I love how all of you are making jokes about hitting the kid to get him on the plane, when they said that his body LOCKS DOWN when he gets to the air
28 PanHAM : The point is, in the 50s, the 60s and most certainly in the decades before, no one told us that we can be traumatized. So, we weren't. The problems pe
29 andrefranca : Guys, I totally understand how this kid feels, a few years ago my 30 YO uncle, came on a flight from BVB to MAO where we live, he never had problems
30 us330 : I feel for the kid. When I was around that age I went through a similar experience (I still suffer from anxiety attacks--I've just learned how to cope
31 par13del : Yes we read that, not being there I can only ask questions like others. Is this the LOCK DOWN seen at airports or Disney World when kids want somethi
32 Quokkas : So long as they don't leave marks on his body. But if this boy has a real medical problem it will not be solved by violence. Interestingly enough, co
33 InsideMan : Dimenhydrinate should suffice and is available OTC. Makes sleepy and relaxed and as us330 says, once you're on the plane, the anxiety will surely be a
34 brilondon : Seriously!? This looks like the only solution. So your parents are bullies and would have assaulted you if they thought it would cure you of a phobia
35 par13del : We have accepted that the kid actually does want to return to the UK with his parents. We also accepted that the Saudis have some rational and resona
36 American 767 : Poor boy. But we don t know what it is that made him hate airplanes. I recently watched videos on You Tube about Virgin Express, no point posting them
37 type-rated : Is this kid any relation to that little girl who held up an AirTran departure by crawling under a seat and refusing to come out? They (girl and parent
38 ChinaClipper40 : As a former U.S. Air Force medical officer, I treated a number of cases of severe flying phobia. Not in wimps or coddled kids. In career U.S. Air Forc
39 AmericanAirFan : I posed the question. What would you do if it was your kid? Really. What would you do? If I had a kid I wouldn't be very happy with him nor would I t
40 Eurohub : If you were my child, you would have been taught to respect your elders from day one and to accept punishment when punishment is dealt out. Actions h
41 brilondon : I don't think the child has an irrational fear. Some people are afraid of flying, I know on here that seems crazy but that is a real phobia. People d
42 turjo101 : Wow!! I am astounded by the number of Anetters suggesting hitting the child to force him on the plane. Whats worse is saying this kind of thing never
43 spiritair97 : Does anybody even know what airline he was to travel on?
44 TC957 : A great pity this happened at this time of year, as there are direct cruises in April from Dubai - Southampton after the winter season in Dubai. A lov
45 jetblueguy22 : My brother was in a similar situation in January. My parents fly a lot for business. A couple hundred thousand miles a year, and I am in flight school
46 brilondon : The respect you mention is two way street. My parents never ever used physical violence to persuade me to do what they want. I am not a person who th
47 danielmyatt : This all over. Respect is earned not just to be expected just because you're older, and if you were one of my parents and you beat me, you would have
48 type-rated : Many of the people on a.net were also raised during the 1950's/60's where this "I want to be my child's friend" type of parenting was not yet used. Mo
49 par13del : Ahh, so you make the assumption that both sides are equal when it comes to intelligence, babies learn by denial rather than speech reasoning, some ma
50 ScottishDavie : Irrational doesn't mean it isn't real to him. A few years ago my wife and I were flying NCL-SVG, a hop of well under an hour. Just before the doors c
51 AFGMEL : I have a minor in psychology so I am not entirely flippant about anxiety disorders. Having said that, I have phobias of needles in general as well as
52 DocLightning : Agreed. Sometimes, you just have to man up. Even when you're 11. That said, if the kid starts screaming and carrying on in the airport, I doubt he'll
53 DeltaMD90 : If I was the parent, I'd feel for the kid, but I can guarantee you we'd be on that plane before it took off...
54 Ps76 : Hi! As someone who has suffered a lot from panic attacks and anxiety I really feel for this kid. For those saying he should just "man up" and his pare
55 type-rated : Pierre: As you have self identified, you know you have this anxiety disability and have found ways to deal with it. Whenever anything prevents you fro
56 Ps76 : Hi! Thanks. Yes I also believe many people suffer from the same kinda thing as me but you rarely meet them though because they tend to be locked up in
57 InsideMan : Comeon guys, we're talking about ONE flight. Get him to board the plane, no matter how and then deal with his anxiety (if still needed) at home.
58 Ps76 : Hi! Yes for most normal people like yourself it is no big deal but to some people it is an extremely big deal. If you do a search on flight anxiety fo
59 eurowings : In that case, I think the underlying cause(s) of the anxiety has to be discovered, if the person can establish it. When I was younger, up to about ag
60 InsideMan : The difference is, the boy flew since infancy.... And the situation as it is, is just as unbearable. His mom home, his dad with him out of work, livi
61 Post contains links InsideMan : here are some more details about this. Contrary to the first article NO sudden onset of the symptoms. http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...leaves-hi
62 Ps76 : Hi! To be fair I don't think the article even talks about the details of what happened in his 4 failed attempts in his latest trip. It does mention th
63 art : With regard to passengers who experience acute anxiety before boarding and display symptoms of this, what is the policy of airlines about allowing suc
64 QXatFAT : I have unfortunately gone through this exact scenario almost as the kid did, but domestically. I was a young teenager traveling by myself for my birt
65 jimbobjoe : I enjoyed your narrative. Thank you.
66 luv2fly : I have to agree with what you said. 11 years old is to young to be calling the shots. Get a traveling nurse, give him a shot and load him on the plan
67 brilondon : This may not be a solution to the problem as Narcotics should never be administered in these situations. You don't know how the child will react to t
68 tennis69 : No my parents were not bullies, they were the BOSS of me, as it should be.
69 brilondon : Yes they are if they use fear and intimidation as a way of trying to gain your respect.
70 wukka : This kid is a piece of work. What happens when he is being driven home and develops a phobia of long tunnels? Now you have the same kid stranded in Fr
71 art : Drugging the person once it became clear that he could not master his fear of flying (say the second time he failed to board) would seem to have been
72 tennis69 : Respect has nothing to do with parenting. An 11 year old should obey his parents without questioning or acting out on their instructions as long as t
73 ChinaClipper40 : Why do I need to repeat myself? ALL benzodiazepines and ALL neuroleptics (including haloperidol) are specifically restricted by the UAE's list of ban
74 Post contains links OA260 : Seems they now have a way home if all goes well. : Stranded schoolboy going home in style on epic roadtrip from UAE DUBAI // Fear-of-flying schoolboy
75 Post contains links and images KBUF : All he needs is a line of people with miscellaneous objects to tell him "calm down, get a hold of yourself!": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7Q
76 HAWK21M : Get someone to talk to the kid about how safe Aviation is in comparision to road.Ideally if someone can keep the boy calm by talking and distracting f
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