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US Airways Begins Int'l Economy Meal Pay  
User currently offlinedc10@dfw From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 74 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22023 times:

Looks like US Airways is taking the first step in charging for international economy meal service. They say they are still offering complimentary meals, but I do wonder if this is the next chapter in the race to the bottom. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-air...omes-first-domestic-130000600.html

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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22010 times:
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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21988 times:

Air France and KLM does the same, and it's a good way to get a more edible meal than they usually serve. So a good move IMHO

User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1166 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21896 times:

Quoting dc10@dfw (Thread starter):
Looks like US Airways is taking the first step in charging for international economy meal service. They say they are still offering complimentary meals, but I do wonder if this is the next chapter in the race to the bottom. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-air...omes-first-domestic-130000600.html

I always try and fly LH or OS when I'm going to the US for a variety of reasons.

BUT

Maybe this is just US trying to be innovative? I mean Y-class meals on UA and US couldn't really get much worse. So it's not like they can degrade that product any further.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21808 times:

Your post is somewhat misleading. US is adding a premium meal option for Y class passengers. It is an enhancement to their current service, but this enhancement comes with a fee. For those not wishing to pay for the premium meal option, the standard meal is still available at no additional charge to the passenger.

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21767 times:

$20 for a premium meal and free wine is a bit high of a price. I don’t see many people taking that option when there is a free meal, but it is an interesting experiment.

One problem that US Airways has to fix is that they are cashless on mainline flights and cash only on regional flights. They need to fix that because it causes too much confusion.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1166 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21736 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
One problem that US Airways has to fix is that they are cashless on mainline flights and cash only on regional flights. They need to fix that because it causes too much confusion.

Presumably, you can select this at boarding like EconomyPlus on UA?


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21705 times:

This is a brilliant move! No spoilage and every meal sold is purely incremental to the bottom line. Way to go US! It's nice to see a US airline providing a value-added service vs. simply charging for things that used to be free. I'd expect UA/DL/AA to match this asap.


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21702 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 2):
Air France and KLM does the same, and it's a good way to get a more edible meal than they usually serve. So a good move IMHO

I'm not sure who would shell out for this? Is anyone buying them on AF/KL? Last I heard they were selling very few.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1166 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21655 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
One problem that US Airways has to fix is that they are cashless on mainline flights and cash only on regional flights. They need to fix that because it causes too much confusion.

Presumably, you can select this at booking like EconomyPlus on UA?


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4073 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21658 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
$20 for a premium meal and free wine is a bit high of a price. I don’t see many people taking that option when there is a free meal, but it is an interesting experiment.

I think that for the people who are going to opt for paying extra, 20 bucks isn't going to bother them too much.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
One problem that US Airways has to fix is that they are cashless on mainline flights and cash only on regional flights. They need to fix that because it causes too much confusion.

Completely agree with this one. Makes absolutely no sense.

The thread title should probably be modified a bit - it implies international economy meals now cost money.


User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21476 times:

HA has been doing this for years.

Although the standard Y meal is still served, choices such as sushi platters or salads are available for purchase. It has proven to be quite popular.

Granted, $19.99 does seem a little steep but I think this really is an enhancement. Nothing has been taken away.

I think US learned their lesson when they started to charge for beverages a few years ago. I don't see them making the same mistake twice.


User currently offlinePesit4A From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21439 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 2):

On Air France, the meals are usually very very good! So perhaps people find it tough to justify spending extra.

That said, the new pay meals do look very good indeed.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3768 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21403 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 6):
One problem that US Airways has to fix is that they are cashless on mainline flights and cash only on regional flights. They need to fix that because it causes too much confusion.

I think AA has the same mixed policy. DL is cashless on mainline and 2-class RJs, but cash-only on the 50 seaters.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6341 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21352 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
$20 for a premium meal and free wine is a bit high of a price
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 10):
I think that for the people who are going to opt for paying extra, 20 bucks isn't going to bother them too much.

I do think that $20 is a bit high. Especially for, say, a business traveler on per diem. Sure, $20 may cover their meal...but is it worth spending $20 on an enhanced airline meal, or just eating the free stuff and keeping the $20 to add to the next evening's nicer meal? I'd rather do the latter, honestly.

For $20, even with wine, it better be good. And what if someone doesn't want the wine? In that case it's REALLY expensive. They say the wine is complimentary, but we all know it isn't - it's just factored in to the meal.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20728 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21324 times:

UA tried this a few years ago, too. Granted, it didn't last long, and was only available on select flights. Regardless, the pictures of the food look nice, and I'd give it a go for 20 bucks. What's that in relation to the cost of a ticket plus ground costs on a vacation? Not much, really.


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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1166 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21284 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 13):
Quoting LOWS (Reply 6):
One problem that US Airways has to fix is that they are cashless on mainline flights and cash only on regional flights. They need to fix that because it causes too much confusion.

I think AA has the same mixed policy. DL is cashless on mainline and 2-class RJs, but cash-only on the 50 seaters.


That's not my quote.


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8561 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21191 times:
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The images look pretty decent, nice presentation, decent quantity too, I think $20 is not so bad in the bigger scheme of things.


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User currently onlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21073 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):

IIRC, it was on United's PS a few years ago. And yes, they looked very nice. Champagne was included in one of the breakfast options.

It's a good idea. Would like to see the other US flag carriers follow.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20728 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21018 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 18):
IIRC, it was on United's PS a few years ago.

UA900 SFO-FRA had the option too:

"Reserve your meal"

The options were Grilled Tenderloin, Grilled Chicken Breast, or Cheese Tortellini meals for $19.



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1849 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20975 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
I'm not sure who would shell out for this? Is anyone buying them on AF/KL? Last I heard they were selling very few.

They just started a month ago, so it's a little bit early to make an assessment. Personally, I tried them once.
I can tell you that AF premium meals look very good. They cost between 18 and 28€ IIRC. The most expensive one is with LeNotre products.


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20566 times:

Not sure if they're still doing this, but last time I flew ANA you could actually purchase the full business class food experience from economy class. So this seems to be kind of a trend. I did not get the feeling at all that this was a move towards eventually charging economy passengers for *any* food; it seemed like they were just trying to upsell. I don't have a problem with that. They also allow you to buy a whole bunch of stuff a-la-carte, so if you get hungry between meals, you can order something like an ice cream or noodles or something for 300 yen. *That* I thought might eventually take the place of the "snack" in between meals, but I think the upsell on the food service is just something extra.

I personally did not feel like the upgraded food was worth it on ANA, but there probably would be *some* level in between where I would think it's worth it. It's just like Economy Plus/Premium Economy... I'm not gonna pay halfway or more to a full business class fare for 4 inches more legroom, but I would pay $60 for it and that's what B6 and Delta are charging on most longer flights.

ANA was charging something like $100 for the business class food... and all I could think was two meals, $50 each... I mean I can go eat at some of the fanciest restaurants in New York City or Tokyo for that. It would be different if they charged for alcohol in economy, but they don't (uh oh, I hope they don't get any ideas from this).

Anyway, so I don't really see this as a bad thing for US to do, but it seems like kind of an experiment right now to find the right level that people will pay extra for. International flying is too competitive for them to do away with free meals altogether, though.



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User currently offlinecaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20528 times:

In general I despise everything about US. However, for $20 for a decent meal with wine, that might not be a bad deal at all. I certainly don't know any restaurants I can go to and eat that way for that price. I like having options for a reasonable price. I certainly like this idea better than some of the other fees that airlines are imposing these days. However, if this is meant to be a first step towards charging for every meal internationally in Y, I could definitely see US leading the charge on that. However, at this point it just seems to me that it is a nice, reasonably priced, enhancement.


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User currently offlinejreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20381 times:

Misleading first post.. "race to the bottom"?

Anyway, some may find it overpriced, but it is an option. Considering how much you pay even for seats on some carriers that just get you extra legroom, $20 isn't bad.


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6341 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19992 times:

Quoting caetravlr (Reply 22):
However, for $20 for a decent meal with wine, that might not be a bad deal at all. I certainly don't know any restaurants I can go to and eat that way for that price.

It's not going to be a 4-star meal...in the end, you've gotta imagine it'll still fall well short of even business class. I bet you can get a reheated meal and glass of mediocre wine for $20 where you live. I know I could here in Kansas City.


25 ytz : I'd pay $40 if I was getting a J class meal instead. If all they are giving you is some sauced over wings and a glass of wine than $20 isn't worthwhil
26 sw733 : Wow, I don't think I would. $40 is about the same as a good filet in a nice steakhouse. I've never had any airline meal, even in J, that would compar
27 anstar : Exactly - I believe KL now have 5 premium meal options. Well I would expect a fair few are 'shelling' out for it given that KL have been doing it for
28 peanuts : That's just it, it's not. It's a further effort into individualizing and enhancing the travel experience and increasing ancillary revenue streams. Ho
29 ytz : I get the sentiment, but it's not comparable. First, most airport restaurants charge a fair bit anyway and they aren't on par with the best steakhous
30 ju068 : I heard so many people complain about US Airways when they flew on them from Europe. Could someone point out what these differences are and what makes
31 ytz : If you travel for work enough, that mentality might change. It's not uncommon to fly out for a meeting. Night in hotel. Meeting the next day. Fly bac
32 Flighty : (1) Old 767 aircraft (2) Uncomfortable A333 seat pitch By now, these complaints should be fixed. 767s got new interiors and A333s also were supposed
33 Post contains links AeroWesty : These are chilled meals: DineFresh I would expect the quality would be about on par with if Olive Garden or Applebee's packed a picnic dinner for you
34 ju068 : Cool, thanks for the information!
35 OlafW : Looking at the pictures provided in the links, I'm wondering about several points: - The packing of the meals looks rather fancy. How much of the $20
36 tugger : Well to me the main determining factor will be what happens to the free meal in international economy. If it stays the same (into the near future) an
37 AeroWesty : As I linked above, the premium meal offering is for chilled meals. No risk of heated salad!
38 spacecadet : What looks fancy about it? I see a cheap plastic tray with possibly a cardboard top. A paper napkin wrapped in a paper sleeve. And... that's pretty m
39 SonomaFlyer : I have zero issue with offering "premium meal options" on any airline. Food of course tends to be subjective but on long flights and across time zones
40 jetjack74 : We had something similar to this at DL on our SEA-AMS-SEA for a month or 2. It was called Sky Bistro, and it was offered free of charge, a promotional
41 bobloblaw : But he is right. This is simply an experiment to see if pax are willing to pay for a meal on a long haul flight. If many pax chooses this, free meals
42 usxguy : Ooo... Pibb.. yummy!
43 Ps76 : Hi! To me it sounds like an interesting idea and I wish them all the best with it. If they really want to make money they should charge extra for 3 se
44 einsteinboricua : I think this is an excellent addition and should be deployed on their domestic flights as well (at least those longer than 3 hours). I'd pay $20 for t
45 ZaphodB : On some airlines I think you'd have to drink a fair bit to make it worth $40. Last time I flew TATL J on AA the food was shocking - could not have co
46 planereality : "...US Airways becomes the first U.S.-based carrier to offer a premium meal experience for customers in the main cabin." what is the significance of b
47 USAirALB : For the record, the title of this thread is extremely misleading and I already see the anti-US group reading the title and assuming US is going to cha
48 spacecadet : Disagree with the former but agree with the latter. No one knows what the threshold is for what people are willing to pay for yet - my position is an
49 AeroWesty : I wouldn't put it past US to send an e-mail near the flight date or include a link in confirmation e-mails advertising the service, just like some ai
50 Ps76 : Hi! I'm no aviation expert and I'm not even sure if I'm understanding this but wouldn't they put this as an option when you purchase your ticket onlin
51 RWA380 : Since a bag costs more to check than this meal service, on an 8 hour flight, I'd expect it would help make the rest of the experience bearable, worth
52 Ps76 : Hi! Oh yes! Not to mention the free food/drinks bag you took out of the big cart before boarding on short flight. They had a cool name for it too but
53 spqr : I wonder if that is an option for AC on intl? They could even do the same bastardized version that they use for the domestic routes (overcater J hot
54 RWA380 : IIRC, it was called A la carte....
55 Post contains links AeroWesty : Are you thinking of the Bistro Bag ?
56 lychemsa : One reason I try to avoid any US airline is because of their horrible meals. Even these meals don't tempt me. It's not difficult to serve a decent mea
57 chopchop767 : Agreed, however, I disagree that it will not last. Especially when people are traveling for vacation to Europe from the U.S., they're on vacation and
58 EBGflyer : So they are charging 20 bucks for something that just brings them up to standard with most European Carriers, where you'd normally get a decent meal +
59 garpd : I begrudge paying $20 for a meal barely the size of any kids meal at a local restaurant. Sure the quality might be a pip or two higher than the free m
60 RWA380 : My question is, is this something that needs to be ordered in advance, like a special meal is or used to be, where 24 hour notice was required to take
61 Post contains images OA260 : I dont mind paying extra for a premium meal but US Airways could have done something better with the presentation . They always seem to go for cheap a
62 Tolosy : I flew AF CDG-DXB last week and a few days after I purchased the ticket I received an email explaining I could purchase an enhanced meal (3options: v
63 bobnwa : Do you seriously order 3-4 drinks every time you fly trans-atlantic? Maybe,its just me,but I find that a bit excessive.
64 jcwr56 : US could probably sell more of these if they have a side by side comparison of the meals served. (Comp versus upsell) What market are they going after
65 ckfred : One thing I don't understand is why U.S. carriers don't offer (for a fee, of course) full meals in coach during meal hours, especially on longer fligh
66 Post contains images united319 : That is the biggest thing that gets me about the strip downs from the Airlines these days. Why not offer a hot food offering for purchase in coach? B
67 AeroWesty : Don't overthink this. These are load-to-order. A lot of airlines took out the ovens necessary to do this for Y-class when meal service stopped after
68 raffik : 3 or 4 drinks on a 7 1/2 hour flight is hardly anything. You should be drinking plenty of fluids during the flight anyway. When I fly on a 5 hour fli
69 jmbweeboy : Spot on! JMBWEEBOY
70 FWAERJ : DL had a similar version, too, called "SkyDeli".
71 bobnwa : Well I would consider 3 or 4 drinks a flight as excesive If you are drinking liquor to hydrate yourself on a long flight You are not accomplishing it
72 AApilot2b : Another reason to not fly with US Airways just added to my long list.
73 AeroWesty : Simply because they're offering a premium option that you're under no obligation to purchase? That's a very odd reason to choose not to fly a particu
74 goosebayguy : Here in the UK Marks & Spencer are startign to put Simply Food halls in airport terminals. Perfect places to buy a meal for the flight and much ch
75 caetravlr : When I stated earlier that I thought this was a good idea and that I liked it, it was before I realized that this was a chilled meal. $20 for an "upgr
76 CoachClass : You will actually be paying $20 plus the cost of the complementary meal already priced into you ticket...say $8.00 for the dinner, so you're actually
77 syncmaster : And let's be realistic. All of this talk about the quality of the food served on board leads me to say that at least in my experience the food availa
78 iowaman : I believe DL does this as well. The main problem I see with this is relatively few people are going to think greater than 24 hours ahead about orderi
79 Viscount724 : No Y class airline meal is "fine dining" and no reheated airline meal prepared hours before the flight (regardless of class of service or carrier) is
80 ytz : Only if the airlines start degrading or eliminating the complimentary meal to force an upsell.
81 spacecadet : But most people don't buy tickets through the airline web site (although maybe that's changing now, I'm not really sure). Since this is not a standar
82 seabosdca : In that case, this: ...is a very odd thing to write. I don't drink alcohol on aircraft because I find it challenging enough to stay hydrated enough f
83 airlinespotter : You are killing me man. This Sir, is the most ridiculous comment so far. I give up.
84 raffik : I'm not sure if we're misunderstanding eachother, I am not talking about 3-4 alcoholic drinks per flight, I am talking about drinks of any kind, whet
85 RWA380 : I think when sitting in a seat for hours on end cramped in Y or relaxing with your feet up in F, a drink makes the trip go by faster and more often t
86 HPRamper : The vast, vast majority of passengers originating in the United States are going to choose American carriers. They aren't going to care about what Eu
87 peanuts : I almost choked on my sandwich reading this. Is it possible for Amtrak to trickle this supposedly successful program into their other departments ple
88 HPRamper : Say what you want about Amtrak, but it's about the only travel experience in the United States that measures up to what other countries offer. In ter
89 spacecadet : In some ways yes, in most ways no. Though I will agree that the food experience is better than most other countries offer on their trains, and much b
90 Post contains images CO777DAL : I’m sorry but US Airways is on crack if they think what they are selling is worth $20 bucks. Continental and now the sCO side of UA serves better fo
91 HPRamper : Good for you. US is going to make a ton of money on this though, which seems to me to be a pretty good business decision. That's all well and good, b
92 seabosdca : Honestly, the US premium meal looks quite a bit tastier than the sCO main meal above. The snack also looks more appetizing...
93 wn676 : It doesn't really seem fair to compare the two when Houston-Tokyo is 3 hours longer than the longest flight that US operates. And if you want hot foo
94 Post contains images spacecadet : That's what we in the photography biz call "lighting"
95 Post contains links and images CO777DAL : Fine here is a free meal served on CO from Tokyo to Guam. It's 3h 45m. It is Curry Chicken and rice (amazing delicious), with a salad, roll with butt
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