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Emirates To Start Phuket From December  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12798 times:

According to the GDS, Effective 10th December EK will start daily flights to Phuket using an A332.

EK 378 DXB HKT 1245 2155
EK 379 HKT DXB 0035 0435

Daily A332

[Edited 2012-08-01 13:12:43]


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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12750 times:

From the 10th of December 2012

EK378 DXB 1245 – 2155 HKT 332 Daily
EK379 HKT 0035 – 0435 DXB 332 Daily


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12701 times:

Very exciting! I figured it wouldn't be long before we see the Asian tourist hotspots like HKT and DPS come online, given the major increase in European flying (hub feed to markets like this) from DXB. Still, I figured we would see them add TPE - ostensibly the last major Pacific Rim market they do not serve - before secondary markets like this. Perhaps they want to appease the Chinese authorities by not going to TPE?


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12625 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Very exciting! I figured it wouldn't be long before we see the Asian tourist hotspots like HKT and DPS come online, given the major increase in European flying (hub feed to markets like this) from DXB. Still, I figured we would see them add TPE - ostensibly the last major Pacific Rim market they do not serve - before secondary markets like this. Perhaps they want to appease the Chinese authorities by not going to TPE?

The Europeans (particularly the Northern ones) love vacationing in HKT but don't really care too much about TPE. Nothing relating to Chinese authorities (who are in good terms with the ROC government as of today).

Eventually TPE will come to EK, but I'd imagine EK has "bigger fish to fry" for now (large portions of the Americas remain untapped)


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13552 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12544 times:
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I figured it wouldn't be long before we see the Asian tourist hotspots like HKT and DPS come online

I personally had wondered why HKT wasn't served from DXB. I had thought it might be bilateral rights. Good to see it is making EK's route map.

I'd like to know the chance of DPS being served.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
Eventually TPE will come to EK

What is EK's current China bilateral rights status? IMHO, EK will hold off on TPE until they think they have maxed out China rights. Since there are too many unserved Chinese mainland cities (for EK), I think TPE is a long way off.

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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12476 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
What is EK's current China bilateral rights status? IMHO, EK will hold off on TPE until they think they have maxed out China rights. Since there are too many unserved Chinese mainland cities (for EK), I think TPE is a long way off.

I thought bilateral rights to R.O.C. are independent to those of P.R.O.C. ?


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4517 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11967 times:

Connectivity for the outbound sector seems questionable. I presume that European connections are targeted, but they are left with average connecting times of 6 to 7 hours. Other South East Asian departures with this kind of schedule leave over 2 hours earlier: BKK at 0905 and 0940, SGN at 0925, HKG at 1005, KUL at 1030, SIN at 0935, CGK at 1025, MNL at 1030.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13552 posts, RR: 100
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11364 times:
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Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
I thought bilateral rights to R.O.C. are independent to those of P.R.O.C. ?

Legally, you are correct. What would mainland China do if EK started flying to TPE? I really doubt there would be any expansion of rights to mainland China for a while.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 1057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11265 times:

The flight availability on any date seems oddly zeroed out in Galileo - is this service not on actual sale yet ?

User currently offlineMAN2SIN2BKK From Germany, joined Feb 2009, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11226 times:

Took their time entering the Phuket market, I was expecting EK to do this about 4 years ago

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

Quoting MAN2SIN2BKK (Reply 9):
Took their time entering the Phuket market, I was expecting EK to do this about 4 years ago

I would've expected the flight to be a tag on flight considering EK serve BKK 3 daily if I am not mistaken...

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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10150 times:

Quoting MAN2SIN2BKK (Reply 9):
Took their time entering the Phuket market, I was expecting EK to do this about 4 years ago

I see why they waited, but yes it has been an obvious gap in their route map, I'm please to see things continuing so well at EK, lots of new planes, lots of employees and more. I saw a special on EK's DXB hub a few months ago, and the sheer quantity of baggage, food, people, fuel dishware, and employees is truly staggering, it is a very well timed machine that creates meals for like 52 different cultures and dietary requirements for their passengers depending on destination and time of the day. I think they said EK has 4 large banks for flights in and out of DXB just with EK. Anyway, a good watch.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):
I would've expected the flight to be a tag on flight considering EK serve BKK 3 daily if I am not mistaken

I know EK does a few tag routes, but I remember something said in the past about EK's first goal is to provide service, and provide it non-stop whenever possible.



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User currently offlineemirates202 From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9957 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):

Where did you see the special? If online, can you send me a link, or atlesst what it's called?

Thanks,
-ek202



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9883 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):
Quoting emirates202 (Reply 12):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdSuUUIipUw

EK413



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19262 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9853 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
Connectivity for the outbound sector seems questionable.

That was also my first thought.



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User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
Connectivity for the outbound sector seems questionable.

That was also my first thought.

I don't quite undersatand this.. there's a whole raft of european flights (particularly from UK) that arrive in Dubai in the 4 hours running up to this? seems quite attractive to me.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4517 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9303 times:

Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 15):
there's a whole raft of european flights (particularly from UK) that arrive in Dubai in the 4 hours running up to this? seems quite attractive to me

There is exactly one such flight, from LHR, which arrives at 8.45am and has a 4-hour connecting time. All other European arrivals come in 5 - 7 hours before the departure of the HKT flight.


User currently offlinerobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9212 times:

Considering the number of Scandinavians traveling to Thailand every year (500.000 Swedes alone) EK should aim to start up HEL, ARN and OSL asap.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19262 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9016 times:

Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 15):
I don't quite undersatand this.. there's a whole raft of european flights (particularly from UK) that arrive in Dubai in the 4 hours running up to this?
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 16):
There is exactly one such flight, from LHR, which arrives at 8.45am

HB is correct: LHR is the only arrival within 4 hours of the HKT service departing, with very few other relevant arrivals, although it now arrives at 805am and not 845am meaning an even longer connection.



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

EK is usually not known to make any public changes - and will often only publish a finalized schedule. But this time, I feel that they are very likely to readjust the sked.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4517 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 19):
But this time, I feel that they are very likely to readjust the sked.

Although I also believe the outbound schedule is far from optimal, there must be some reason for this. The people in scheduling and network development at EK are not idiots. Now we just need to find out what is the rationale for this 12.45 departure.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Connectivity for the outbound sector seems questionable.
That was also my first thought.

Mine too!

I wonder if the intention is to persuade long haul pax to take a few days in DXB? Alternatively, it's to encourage pax from regional destinations rather than long haul.

Of course, it could also be that they felt that the route that best suited to a two class 332 and when they did their analysis, this timing was the best way to fit it in.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7):
Legally, you are correct. What would mainland China do if EK started flying to TPE? I really doubt there would be any expansion of rights to mainland China for a while.

I'd have thought that with so many flights between China and Taiwan now, this would no longer be an issue! Still, as TC has said that EK wants to expand into China, no sense in upsetting them if an interline agreement with TG will do the job as far as accessing Taiwan is concerned!


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19262 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7473 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 21):
it's to encourage pax from regional destinations rather than long haul.

Alas, few regional connections within a 4-to-5-hour period of the outbound departure (say, from 8am onwards): MCT, MED, DOH, and BAH. Not regional, of course, but complementing LHR is GLA at 8am and JNB at 820am.



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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7400 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
Although I also believe the outbound schedule is far from optimal, there must be some reason for this. The people in scheduling and network development at EK are not idiots. Now we just need to find out what is the rationale for this 12.45 departure.

Two reasons are all I can figure that make some sense for the late (suboptimal) outbound flight vs other east bound routes/destinations:

1. Aircraft availability (main one) - The aircraft can turn off one of the morning intra-gulf routes and the return can take the place of an aircraft that previously overnighted. As a result, the new route is in effect using less than a full shell and increasing overall utilization, making it a cheap new route to operate

2. Yield (lesser reason) - HKT is almost exclusively leisure, so would in theory endure a suboptimal schedule for cheaper pricing. Additionally, leisure travelers might spend more in Dubai while on their layover.

The 2-class A332 makes some sense in this case since there's likely very little cargo and EK is looking for the absolute lowest seat-costs. I can see it growing into a 2-class 773 eventually though. I wouldn't expect this route to make much money on a segment basis, but can see it being a solid system contributor since it is such a large market to/from Europe. Couple that with the increase in aircraft utilization and the route makes a lot of sense.



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User currently offlinespinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7085 times:

Europeans love this destination. When I've traveled to BKK, I've seen lots of Middle Eastern families as well so the market is there for them as well.

25 lawair : Does anyone know when the peak period for flights is at HKT? The airport right now is running at 140% capacity (I believe the current terminal only ac
26 Tdan : Excellent point! HKT only has 15 aircraft stands and can hold 4-5 widebodies simultaneously I believe. The peak for large gauge aircraft is from noon
27 Post contains images PlymSpotter : So that brings the total number of upcoming long haul routes to five. I think the A343 retirement date is starting to look a little ambitious... Dan
28 motorhussy : How are the connex with Moscow flights? Russian tourists (as well as those from MEast and Gulf states) love Phuket. Although you may not realise it fr
29 6thfreedom : Agree: could it be that they plan to bring it forward once they work out where to operate the tag, or indeed where they can secure the rights to oper
30 allegiantflyer : Maybe we can see EK PHX service one day,haha im only kidding only in my dreams... On the other hand congrats to Emirates!
31 solarflyer22 : This is such a great niche route for them. Its a good plane choice too for one of their "small" planes.
32 danfearn77 : Any know when this will go on sale? Not availbe yet. I've been waiting for EK start Phuket for ages now! Hopefully they will introduce some special fa
33 danfearn77 : Interestingly this isnt on sale on EK's website at the moment, yet i have just manage to search for a package deal to Phuket on Expedia and its showin
34 MHG : Well, they were not under pressure to do so then ... But since Etihad serves HKT (through Air Berlin) EK didn´t want to leave that market to EY/AB.
35 HELyes : Good the get one choice more to HKT, I just wish the airport itself wouldn't be so outdated and cramped. I just heard something is going on there fina
36 Flying Belgian : I keep wondering about the whys of that choice. Apart from low-yielding traffic from Scandinavia, what can they attract ? This doesn't look like EK to
37 Tdan : See my reply 23. It's a utilization route for the A332, so it only needs to cover the variable operating costs to make sense. Additionally, it will p
38 mcogator : If more Americans visited HKT, they would love it as well. I thought it was far superior to Bali in most aspects, and I went with my wife! The bigges
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