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Lufthansa Cargo´s 777F Order  
User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15295 times:

Hi,

are there any news regarding Lufthansa Cargo´s order for the 777F ? When will the first plane be delivered ? Any news if they will go to LH Cargo or Aero Logic ?


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2767 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15287 times:

Am I correct in assuming that these would be replacing the MD-11F's? (I'll miss seeing those at JFK  )


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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15186 times:

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...-11f-fleet-predicts-no-growth-2012

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...for-five-777-freighters-75138.aspx

The article says 2013 so based on demand for the 777, it should remain on course.

User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14548 times:
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The Lufthansa livery on a 777, now that'd be something to see.

LH Cargo CEO said the 777F was the best replacement for his MD11 fleet, so it well be 777s for sure

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13829 times:

The question is premature as LHCargo decides ad hoc depending on market situation. it is safe to say however that the oldest MD11s which came in second hand will the first to be replaced by 777Fs. When an dif re-orders will take place depends on a lot of factors, also on the fzuture of FRA as a cargo hub which is handicapped by the curfew and the 11 pm guillotine.


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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13669 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
The question is premature as LHCargo decides ad hoc depending on market situation. it is safe to say however that the oldest MD11s which came in second hand will the first to be replaced by 777Fs. When an dif re-orders will take place depends on a lot of factors, also on the fzuture of FRA as a cargo hub which is handicapped by the curfew and the 11 pm guillotine.

Still the aircraft are ordered sure LH Cargo can still cancel the order or sell the slots but I doubt this will happen. When would be the delivery date of the first plane ? Early or late 2013 ? Any estimate ?

[Edited 2012-08-02 00:36:48]


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13625 times:

Two in 2013, two in 2014 and one in 2015 but no indication which part of the years.

I think that, despite all the obstacles, it is safe to say that LH will take this batch. They still have 4 ex Varig and AZ MD11s. The 777Fs will replace these or, should miracles happen, come in for growth. That'll be an ad-hoc decision.


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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 773 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9344 times:

This might be a little bit off topic, but on this picture there are two LCAG MD-11 sitting in Almaty


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I thought they switched their Asian hub from Almaty to Russia, for political reasons... ?


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8539 posts, RR: 78
Reply 8, posted (10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9315 times:
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Quoting Semaex (Reply 7):

They did, but a couple flights are still done via ALA, like the HKG flight, this one stops in ALA and not in KJA.

I heard LH Cargo wants to keep their MD11F's at least until 2022...

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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

All of them, or just the "real" freighters?

filler


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User currently onlineglideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7492 times:

LH is most likely looking to free up cash for additional 748's.  


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User currently offlineLH7879 From Germany, joined Dec 2009, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6555 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):
The Lufthansa livery on a 777, now that'd be something to see.

here, that's what many of us dream about:


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):
here, that's what many of us dream about:

Reminds me very much on an A310  


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8394 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):
here, that's what many of us dream about:

Others will however say three hallelujahs if it never happens.  


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11742 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5416 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 12):
Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):here, that's what many of us dream about:

Reminds me very much on an A310

That would be a streched A-310, with a much wider wingspan and huge engines.

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
That would be a streched A-310, with a much wider wingspan and huge engines.

Still the silouhette is very much the same. The 777 is bigger as you said but if you can not tell the size difference there is a great resemblance especially in that paint scheme.

Quoting aloges (Reply 13):
Others will however say three hallelujahs if it never happens.  

777-300ER was at least a possibility, for the 777-200ER you don´t need any prayers, it would be a waste of time  
Still the 777X and the 787-10 are likely


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

DVZ, Germany's leading logistics publication, featured an interview with the LHCargo CEO today.

Main item concerning this topic here is that they look forward receiving the first 2 777F in the fourth quarter 2013.

No decision has yet been made if MD11s are phased out when the new 777 fleet arrives. Much depenfdsw on the situation in FRA and how the customers respond to the curfew. Especially North American routes are at stake, where departures between 11 pm and 5 pm are crucial for the success of these routes.

HHN,CGN and LEJ are ruled out as alternatives.


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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
Main item concerning this topic here is that they look forward receiving the first 2 777F in the fourth quarter 2013.

Pretty long backkog for the 777  


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2341 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 15):
Still the silouhette is very much the same. The 777 is bigger as you said but if you can not tell the size difference there is a great resemblance especially in that paint scheme.

It's true, I thought the same when I saw the picture. If you cover the fuselage behind the wings with your hand it looks like an A 300. I think in this rendering the forehead (yes, KC135TopBoom, even the holy 777 has a forehead   ) is not shown correctly but I might be wrong, of course.

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8394 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 15):
Still the silouhette is very much the same. The 777 is bigger as you said but if you can not tell the size difference there is a great resemblance especially in that paint scheme.

On top of that, the reg on the one in reply no. 11 would only appear on an Airbus.  


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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 19):
On top of that, the reg on the one in reply no. 11 would only appear on an Airbus.  

Wasn´t there an infamous saying the 777 is the best Airbus Boeing ever build  


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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

According to this article below a decision whether the aircraft will go to LH Cargo or Aerologic will be made soon. Without going further into detail the article states that it is indeed very likely that the aircraft will be used by LH Cargo

Link in German http://www.aero.de/news-15657/Luftha...eidet-ueber-B777F-Lieferungen.html


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6115 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):
here, that's what many of us dream about:

Would love to see a passenger version but the 777F will be nice too.

Quoting columba (Reply 20):
Wasn´t there an infamous saying the 777 is the best Airbus Boeing ever build  

Airbus could never build such a beautiful aircraft  

The777Man


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Was reading in an internet airfreight newsletter today that LHCargo also has 5 options in addition to the 5 firm orders.


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9710 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 11):
here, that's what many of us dream about:

Yeah, a nightmare 

25 USAF336TFS: The understanding here in LH Cargo's U.S. offices is that those aircraft will indeed be replacing the MD-11Fs and will be sporting LH livery. I certa
26 Post contains images LH707330: Just wait until the A345 crowd sees this
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