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Rumor: Scoot To HNL  
User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10028 times:

Heard from an executive of another airline today that rumor's were flying around that Scoot would introduce HKG - HNL service in 2013. I'm not acquainted enough with SQ's plans for Scoot to know if this makes any sense. And, isn't Scoot flying 772 a's and do they have the legs to fly the route without heavy load restrictions? Would love to see service to HKG from HNL again, but I would have thought it would be HA putting their toes in the water first.


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9948 times:

would Scoot, as a Singapore Carrier have the rights to operate this sector?
I supper SQ operates via HKG to north america.

SIN-HNL would be 13-14 hours, so perhaps a stop via HKG assist with both pax uplift and payload.


User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9847 times:
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Although still a rumor, it would be nice if this really does become a reality! At the rate HA is expanding internationally, I wouldn't be surprised if they were also looking into the SE Asia market. Exciting times ahead!

Quoting HNL-Jack (Thread starter):
And, isn't Scoot flying 772 a's and do they have the legs to fly the route without heavy load restrictions?

They're flying de-rated B772ERs (including SQ's first B777), which could be simply "re-rated" after some paperwork.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9581 times:

Given HA's expansion at HNL, if this happens, I think Scoot (or SQ maybe) should launch some sort of codeshare with HA.

It's a good idea nonetheless



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9497 times:

Quoting je89_w (Reply 2):
At the rate HA is expanding internationally, I wouldn't be surprised if they were also looking into the SE Asia market

I'm sure HKG and SIN are both on HA's radar, but w/o the 350 are either of these viable with their given fleet? I'd imagine the 332 can make HKG-HNL, but HNL-HKG? I'd expect HA would try to launch HKG if they could, but the non-stops to SIN I think would need to be a 350 route, or the option is a tag route, and that doesn't seem to be HA's thing.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Given HA's expansion at HNL, if this happens, I think Scoot (or SQ maybe) should launch some sort of codeshare with HA.

Code share so Scoot passengers could connect Inter Island? Or so HA can send passengers to HKG and SIN? I am not sure Scoot could provide the same service HA is known for, and I think the customer experience would suffer. What aircraft are they looking to operate to HNL? I'll believe it when it lands on O'ahu.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9305 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 4):
Code share so Scoot passengers could connect Inter Island? Or so HA can send passengers to HKG and SIN? I am not sure Scoot could provide the same service HA is known for, and I think the customer experience would suffer. What aircraft are they looking to operate to HNL? I'll believe it when it lands on O'ahu.



Wouldn't they be able to use HA's service elsewhere?



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1571 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9009 times:

Quoting je89_w (Reply 2):
They're flying de-rated B772ERs (including SQ's first B777), which could be simply "re-rated" after some paperwork.


Interesting! (But what does it mean to de-rate a 777?)

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 4):
I am not sure Scoot could provide the same service HA is known for,


I can't imagine Singapore Airlines allowing Scoot to have an inferior on-board experience. Even if considered and LLC, I imagine the service will be very professional.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8279 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8940 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 1):
would Scoot, as a Singapore Carrier have the rights to operate this sector?

SQ already operates to the US via HKG, as well as other Asian and European cities so I'm pretty sure it can. Singapore and the US have open skies as well.


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8834 times:

I would absolutely love to see SQ mirror QF and operate daily using both the full-service and low-cost arm, for example:

SQ SIN-HNL direct 77W 3 x weekly
TZ SIN-HKG-HNL 772 4 x weekly

Even though HNL is predominately a leisure market, there is definitely demand for high-paying J pax that I believe would be extremely disatisfied with a low-cost service, especially with all the one stop J and C offerings on JL, NH, CI, KE etc. I personally think this is the only reason why QF are still bothering with HNL.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12427 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8455 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
Interesting! (But what does it mean to de-rate a 777?)

It means that because SQ used certain 772s on short haul regional flights (for example, Indonesia, Thailand, India, regional Asia), they didn't need the range of those aircraft flying to, say, AMS, CPH or JNB and as such, the engines were de-rated, so that they didn't produce quite so much thrust and it also reduced their MTOW. The same thing can be done in reverse; ANA used to do this quite a lot when it used 744s on international flights; they could whip off the winglets, de-rate the engines and reconfigure the cabin, if they so chose.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
I can't imagine Singapore Airlines allowing Scoot to have an inferior on-board experience. Even if considered and LLC, I imagine the service will be very professional.

"Inferior" is probably the wrong word, but "low cost" is probably better; SQ know this, because they set it up! They would still demand a high level of competence and professionalism of their crews.

The A350-800 has a range of about 8,500nm (with pax/bags); HNL-SIN is 6,700mi (which is around 5,820nm), so well within range of the A358 and indeed, the 772.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=hnl-sin

Interestingly, SQ did once serve HNL, mostly as an en route stop with the Classic 747s; however, I think they stopped it in the late 1980s/early 1990s, once they had the aircraft to go n/s transpacific. They did rights to HNL, of course.


User currently offlineTruemanqld From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4573 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
I can't imagine Singapore Airlines allowing Scoot to have an inferior on-board experience. Even if considered and LLC, I imagine the service will be very professional.

After having flown with them, I can tell you, it is a much inferior on-board experience! No where near SQ levels, nor any mainline carrier. Probably even below JQ. Saying that, it was a fun flight and enjoyable, but wouldnt be for FF.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Interestingly, SQ did once serve HNL, mostly as an en route stop with the Classic 747s; however, I think they stopped it in the late 1980s/early 1990s, once they had the aircraft to go n/s transpacific. They did rights to HNL, of course.

SQ, QF, TS, PA, UA, CO, GA, CP, BN, HA have all used HNL as a crossroads between East and West, to name a few.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8279 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Interestingly, SQ did once serve HNL, mostly as an en route stop with the Classic 747s; however, I think they stopped it in the late 1980s/early 1990s, once they had the aircraft to go n/s transpacific. They did rights to HNL, of course.

SQ stopped serving HNL when the 744's arrived. I once flew LAX-HNL-TPE-SIN in the very late 80's, but I think they also flew SIN-NRT-HNL-LAX.


User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4243 times:
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Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
SQ stopped serving HNL when the 744's arrived. I once flew LAX-HNL-TPE-SIN in the very late 80's, but I think they also flew SIN-NRT-HNL-LAX.

SQ never served NRT to LAX via HNL. This flight originally went nonstop SIN-NRT-LAX with the B743 and still exists today as SQ12/SQ11.

The pair of SQ jumbo flights that stopped by in HNL were:

SQ2 (SQ1 return) SIN-HKG-HNL-SFO
SQ6 (SQ5 return) SIN-TPE-HNL-LAX


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25090 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 1):
would Scoot, as a Singapore Carrier have the rights to operate this sector?

SQ already operates to the US via HKG, as well as other Asian and European cities so I'm pretty sure it can. Singapore and the US have open skies as well.

But I am almost certain it would have to be a 5th freedom service originating/terminating in SIN. I highly doubt they would have 7th freedom rights to operate a stand-alone HNL-HKG service without any connection to their home country.


User currently offlinehellogorgeous From China, joined Nov 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

HKG would be nice.

I think TPE will come first then flights to China.

Developing Manila by connecting West Coast pax through HNL is probably another focus. Current US restrictions prevent PR from expanding to the US, which allows HA to take advantage of the underserved US-Philippine market.


User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 629 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

They should have rights from HK, given SQ used to have HKG-LAS so they should have rights to do 3-4 a week


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17408 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Small market size, no connections on either end, and a product that would make Tower Air look luxurious. I don't see HNL ever working for Scoot.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):
Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Interestingly, SQ did once serve HNL, mostly as an en route stop with the Classic 747s; however, I think they stopped it in the late 1980s/early 1990s, once they had the aircraft to go n/s transpacific. They did rights to HNL, of course.

SQ, QF, TS, PA, UA, CO, GA, CP, BN, HA have all used HNL as a crossroads between East and West, to name a few.

And they all stopped doing that for a reason



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
And they all stopped doing that for a reason

Actually, it was because they no longer needed a fuel stop once the 747-400 & MD-11 came on the scene.

It never really was a connection point as the non-U.S. carriers could not carry local traffic between the West Coast and Hawaii. Once the range of the aircraft improved the carriers pulled from HNL quickly.



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User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
I can't imagine Singapore Airlines allowing Scoot to have an inferior on-board experience. Even if considered and LLC, I imagine the service will be very professional.

I agree there, I flew Silk Air a SQ low cost carrier the other week between SIN and Kula Lumper and they were very good so I would reacon SQ would expect the same level of service with Scoot.


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2024 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 19):
I agree there, I flew Silk Air a SQ low cost carrier the other week between SIN and Kula Lumper and they were very good so I would reacon SQ would expect the same level of service with Scoot.

I've never flown Silk Air, which is a regional carrier, not LCC, but from what I know of Silk Air, Scoot is nothing like it. In my opinion Scoot is worse than Jetstar (I quite like Jetstar, understanding that they are a LCC). Very uncomfortable seating in economy and the service is nothing special either, though hopefully that aspect will improve with experience. Take a look at some recent trip reports on Scoot, mine included, and you should get the idea. Right now, give me Jetstar any day over Scoot.



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User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

If I were to guess hkg to either las or sea are gonna be more successful than hnl. Sq or scott will have the market all to themselves and with more business flyers too.

User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 19):
I agree there, I flew Silk Air a SQ low cost carrier the other week between SIN and Kula Lumper and they were very good so I would reacon SQ would expect the same level of service with Scoot.

I would be inclined to agree with you...if SQ plastered its name and logo all of Scoot's aircraft. But they don't. The only place where you well see SQ mentioned is in Scoot's press releases where they mention they are a wholly owned subsidy, which most people not interested in aviation don't read. Their "About Us" page on their website doesn't even mention SQ. A majority people flying Scoot (especially non-singaporeans) probably have no clue about Scoot's ownership which means that they can get away with offering inferior service without damaging the SQ brand. And, as noted, Silk Air is suppose to be a regional airline, not necessarily a LCC.


User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Quoting allrite (Reply 20):
In my opinion Scoot is worse than Jetstar (I quite like Jetstar, understanding that they are a LCC).

How many times have you flown Scoot?

I have flown many sectors on Jetstar Asia Airways and four sectors on Scoot ... and I am inclined to disagree with you. The service on Scoot has been very professional and warm, and other than selling food, snacks and beverages on board, it does not feel like an LCC.

That is not to say that Jetstar is not good ... on the contrary, they are also quite good.

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25036 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

According to June 11, 2012 WSJ article, the CEO said they were not looking to long haul "for now".

CEO said they had their sights on flights in the 4-8 hour range - all Asia-Pacific destinations, particularly in China.

Regarding USA, he specifically said following:
Scoot, which started commercial operations with a Singapore-Sydney flight, will likely await the resolution of the European financial crisis before considering services to the continent, and it has "no great interest" in flying to the U.S. for now, Mr. Wilson said. He referred to possible flights to Europe as a "conundrum" with which Scoot is now grappling.

Also according to the article the fleet growth will be slow initially - with only 2 more 777s joining the fleet in 2012, with 12-14 examples total in 3-4 years time.



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