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Finnair Trains New Cabin Crew - Price 1731€!  
User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

Hello all,

I came across an add for a cabin crew course organised by the Finnish flag carrier Finnair. As I'm interested in this field, I thought I have a look at the requirements. To my surprise, I noticed the course, which used to be free of cost, has now a whooping price tag of 1731€! Also, the add is in English, which has not been the case before (not that I have noticed anyway), but in the requirements it is mentioned fluent Finnish is mandatory for participants. Also, the nature of the course has been changed from "doorway to Finnair employee" to "general course to become cabin crew".

Is this a general practice in other coutnries? I have heard something similar in France. How does this work in practice. If I compare this to my own experience when I trained to be crew for a British holiday airline, we had safety training linked to the specific aircraft types the airline operated with. Now, if the course is "on general bases", how does the crew member then get qualified on a type of aircraft used by the airline he or she becomes employed by after the course? How about the differences in service culture? Finnair cannot train u to do BA service, for example. Has the recruitment of cabin crew changed to individual picking rather than holding a course for new crew members like it at least used to be? This is all new to me, and I thought I was well informed!


Share your input how recruitment is done in your area/countries. Also, what you think about the price? Fair enough, it's not anywehere near as expensive as pilot trainig, but still 1700€ for a job that used to be free to be trained to...

Regards,

okAY

Finnair cabin crew course

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[Edited 2012-08-03 01:06:00]

[Edited 2012-08-03 01:06:41]

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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1249 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8480 times:

It looks like this course is not linked to an employment in Finnair, just you will receive a certificate afterwards that you completed the course and the drills, which can be useful if you apply to some airline.... may be.......


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User currently offlineCabincrewifly From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8476 times:

Finnair are just offering their services as a training school. Dosent look like they are hiring.


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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8443 times:

Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 2):

Yeah, but who as an individual wanting to become cabin crew needs such general training, if the general practice is that the airline who will employ you will also train you...? I mean, who wants to pay 1700€ for this and not even become employed by the airline...? For me it does not make sense...

okAY


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3996 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Probably designed as some sort of qualification course to improve chances for a later job application with whatever airline. People take all kinds of courses to stand out from the crowd on the job market - and I would guess that quite a few never make it to the job they are targeting, and such courses are of course subject to exploitation as they are playing with people's hopes and dreams. Maybe Finnair simply sees it as an additional revenue stream.

[Edited 2012-08-03 03:12:15]

User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8225 times:

Back in the 60's & 70's there used to be all kinds of "airline training" schools here in the U.S. They weren't cheap, either.
Most of the courses involved ticketing, reservations and customer service. I don't know how many students with these schools actually got jobs with airlines, but a lot of them were hired by Amtrak and travel agents.
I think when people started looking at how many students actually got jobs with airlines, enrollment in these schools dropped and the schools closed down.

Hmmm, let's see if you charge your F/A candidates for training before an interview, you could probably make as much as you are making on charging for checked baggage!



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7953 times:

I notice that it is a general course that concentrates on the safety and aviation regulation side of things. Not only do you have to pay the course fee but an extra 204,30 € for a health check to make sure that you are fit enough to complete the training.

Additional courses are listed for Crew Conversion (i.e. qualifying to operate on a different type of aircraft), CRM training, Cabin Service and so on. Prices for those courses are not listed but it would appear that some would be by negotiation as they are stated to be customisable.

I can see the benefit to Finnair in offering such courses. The acquisition of equipment, simulators and other facilities used in training must be quite expensive and if Finnair can earn extra income to recover those costs, all the better.


User currently offlinehrc773 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6992 times:

My guess is that this might geared more toward small airlines that may not have the means to train their cabin crew. The airline may or may not pay their new hires for this.

Back in my airline days I used to hear from former TWA cabin crews that they had to pay for their training; I think it was about $1200. In fact I heard from one of them that after the airline was obviously in deep financial trouble, they hired a few classes of flight attendants. As soon as they finished paying for their uniforms and training, they were all laid off. This guy that told me the story, at the time, was getting payments from a class action lawsuit filed against TWA for that reason.

Warning: This was all jumpseat talk above. I usually took all jumseat talk with a grain of salt.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4634 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6857 times:

Standard cost... Ryanair uses training schools and this one - http://www.crewlink.ie/en/fees says -

"‘Pay in Advance’ - Registration Fee of €500.00 in order to confirm your place on the training course, course fee of €1,649.00 plus accommodation costs of €700.00 to be paid 3 weeks before course commencement."

"'Pay by Deduction' - Registration Fee of €500.00 in order to confirm your place on the training course, course fee of €1,649.00 plus an administration fee of €600.00 will be deducted from salary. Accommodation cost of €700.00 must be paid 3 weeks before course commencement. "



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User currently offlineloveofflying From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Not a very good job, it seems like!


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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

In Brazil it is compulsory!

1- First you must go to the military hospital, pay a fee of 150 USD to do a general "check up" and psychological tests, it takes time and sometimes you do it in 5 to 6 hours (SERIOUSLY).

2- with their OK on hands you must go then to an "Air club school" and they must have ANAC (Civil Aviation Authorities) certificate, it will cost you an average 750 USD for 3 months, without books, etc... etc.. most of the teachers are FA.

3- after you pass on their exams, you must pay a 75 USD fee for the ANAC, and you'll need to pass an ANAC exam (which some people say it is hard)...

4- With the approval on hands, you then must send your resumé to the airlines, after you get in (IF you get in), they give you more training for free.


User currently offlinelufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

They should charge 17k for what I care. Nobody desreves to work for the current AY magement. I really had it this morning but that's going off topic.


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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1421 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

Sounds like a money making scam to be honest!

I wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

I have worked for 3 different flag carriers, all provided full training and no cost to me (although basic pay while not online) and lets face it, its a customer focused role so if you are not up to the job they will weed you out in the interview stage regardless of whatever "airline" courses you have done. The major carriers dont want "bad habits" so to speak as they will want to mould you in their own way and these courses could actually work against you.

At the end of the day the vast majority of airlines provide their own training and its free (well there are the likes of Ryanair etc who have grabbed you by the nuts on that one). The role of crew nowadays does not pay very well, just look at BA who have gone from one of the best paying employers to the absolute lowest paying in the UK. €1700 is a lot of money to spend on something that doesnt guarantee you a job. You would be better off spending the money on a college course with an international recognition.

If you have been to several cabin crew interviews and still not made the cut, then you are probably best off looking for a different field of employment then blowing your savings on one of these!



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User currently offlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Sounds just like doing FACTS training or any other standard cabin safety/regulations training here in the US. Many FA's for private jet companies must complete this prior to working and also complete recurrent on an annual basis.

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2385 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

Quoting okAY (Thread starter):

Peanuts.. How about paying 100.000 euros to become a pilot, then pay another 25.000 euros for a type-rating and then pay a further 30.000 euros for 500 hours of line training before the airlines will start to consider hiring you? That's the reality in todays aviation industry for many pilots.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1421 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 14):
Peanuts.. How about paying 100.000 euros to become a pilot, then pay another 25.000 euros for a type-rating and then pay a further 30.000 euros for 500 hours of line training before the airlines will start to consider hiring you? That's the reality in todays aviation industry for many pilots.

Yeah but perspective please!

Comparing a job that earns €3 an hour plus basic to one that earns significantly more then that (most of the time) is not exactly fair!



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2385 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 15):
Comparing a job that earns €3 an hour plus basic to one that earns significantly more then that (most of the time) is not exactly fair!

If only that was always the case. Many pilots earn very little until they have gathered a significant amount of experience. More than 3€ an hour but at the same time they have to struggle with just paying the interest rates on their loans.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1421 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 16):
If only that was always the case. Many pilots earn very little until they have gathered a significant amount of experience. More than 3€ an hour but at the same time they have to struggle with just paying the interest rates on their loans.

More then well aware of that but this is a discussion about Cabin Crew and not pilots. The only commanility here is that they work onboard the same tin can. You cant compare the requirements and costs of one over the other which is something far too many people try to do!



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