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IB's A330 To Arrive In Jan 2013  
User currently offlinefilLPA From Spain, joined Mar 2009, 42 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

On a facebook post Iberia Airlines answered that they will finally start flying the A330 in January 2013........and the biggest news is that they will officialy introduce PTV's in all clases!!!  


https://www.facebook.com/iberia/posts/445652035468103?ref=notif&notif_t=share_reply


"Iberia Líneas Aéreas:, a partir del próximo mes de enero recibiremos los nuevos aviones Airbus A330 que llevan entretenimiento individual, y progresivamente lo iremos incorporando en los demás aviones de largo radio. Un saludo."

Translation: from january 2013 we will be receiving new A330 which will have personal entertainment systems, and lateron we will introduce it on the rest of the longhaul fleet

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User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

This is very good news!

It had been announced that the A330s would come in 2013, but it's good to know that it's as early as January! That is barely 6 months away..

These airplanes will bring in some efficiencies to Iberia, that I hope will translate into some growth in the long haul routes. Given the economic circumstances, such growth will have to be shy to start off with. there will be redundancies in IB, but I would bet that it's more on the short haul operation that is being increasingly done by with Iberia Express - and not in the long haul-.
The ptvs come a litte bit late, but are nonetheless a welcome addition to the product offering.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

What routes will they be flying?

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5838 times:
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And what type of engines ? RR ?


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User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 3):

GE, if I'm not mistaken!


raggi



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User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
What routes will they be flying?

My bet is US East Coast (BOS and JFK) and Africa, at least to start with.


User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting Talaier (Reply 5):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
What routes will they be flying?

My bet is US East Coast (BOS and JFK) and Africa, at least to start with.

Before they have the ETOPS certification, I think we will see them in Canarias and TLV, and maybe Africa.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

These aircraft cannot arrive soon enough, they will be a big efficiency boost to IB, particularly to North Atlantic routes. Unfortunately, the plan was to replace A343's one for one, without any fleet growth. I hope IB changes its mind at some point and keeps a few A343's around to open new routes, their current long-haul fleet is stretched enough as it is.

Quoting raggi (Reply 4):
GE, if I'm not mistaken!

IIRC, IB Maintenance already has a lot of MRO experience with GE engines, so it would make sense.

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):

Before they have the ETOPS certification, I think we will see them in Canarias and TLV, and maybe Africa.

Didn't think about that one, indeed IB hasn't had any ETOPS since the 767's, I believe.


User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4136 times:
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They have 8 firm orders, any info. on whether or not they've exercised the additional 8 options? IB's got 19 A340-300's to replace..

It's interesting because the A330-300 will be seating 277 pax, 23 more than the A340-300. Seems like the A332 would be a better per-frame replacement based on that..

Quoting raggi (Reply 4):
GE, if I'm not mistaken!

Yep, confirmed at time of order.

Source: http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...0-300s-selects-ge-cf6-engines-0726



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9712 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Great news and is it official and known by now that IB will introduce a new livery as well with the introduction of these A333's?

A388


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 8):
They have 8 firm orders, any info. on whether or not they've exercised the additional 8 options? IB's got 19 A340-300's to replace..

No confirmation on the options but IMO it is only a matter of time before they are firmed, once the first 8 start coming in. But yes, that still leaves a gap of 3 aircraft... maybe they could get a few leases on top to bridge the gap between the last A343's and the first new widebody that IB would eventually receive at some point. Anyone know the delivery schedule for A333's and retirement schedule for A343's?'s?

P.S. I still find a pity that they haven't gotten any A332's in addition, to open up thinner deep South America routes.


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 10):
Quoting ghifty (Reply 8):
They have 8 firm orders, any info. on whether or not they've exercised the additional 8 options? IB's got 19 A340-300's to replace..

No confirmation on the options but IMO it is only a matter of time before they are firmed, once the first 8 start coming in. But yes, that still leaves a gap of 3 aircraft...

Not gap anymore.

As if they had plenty of aircraft, Iberia is already retiring their A343s well before the arrival of the 333s.

Not too long ago, Iberia used to operate 21 A343s.

EC-GQK and EC-HQF were retired a couple years ago and are now flying with South African Airways (ZS-SXG and ZS-SXH).

3 additional frames have been retired this year, so there are only 16 active A340-300 in Iberia's fleet right now. The aircraft that are now stored are EC-HDQ, EC-HGU and EC-HGX.

If they finally decide to take the 8 options then we can talk about a one-to-one replacement. However, this means no growth at all.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 7):
their current long-haul fleet is stretched enough as it is.

Well it's actually smaller than it was only a few months ago as you can see... This is just crazy.



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User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 11):
Well it's actually smaller than it was only a few months ago as you can see... This is just crazy

Sure, but I think that IB could manage to have additional capacity once the A333s start coming in, i,e, by not retiring the A343s one to one from then on. OK, you could say that it would just mean "recovering" lost capacity, but that would still allow some growth. The most logical outcome of IB current review in light of its large losses is that more of the the short and medium haul flying is transferred to Iberia Express which is turning out to be very efficient, and whereas some jobs will be lost in the mainline, some others can be transferred for long haul flying.

OK, IB will probably won't go back to doing the likes of BCN-MIA, which is more logical at the hands of AA, and it should perhaps AA can also do BOS, but It can explore a few more destinations within its core market that is Latin America for now. There will be potential for other adventures in the future, but I would guess that will have to wait until the storm is well clear, and second, until the next generation of aircraft that BA and IB will order together.


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 12):
I think that IB could manage to have additional capacity once the A333s start coming in, i,e, by not retiring the A343s one to one from then on.

That would be the most sensible thing to do if the load factors remain high, but with their current management you never know.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 12):
IB will probably won't go back to doing the likes of BCN-MIA

Of course they won't. Moreover, they are stopping BCN-GRU in November.



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User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 13):
That would be the most sensible thing to do if the load factors remain high, but with their current management you never know

In the light of the deep crisis, high oil prices and structural disadvantages, management had no option but to cut capacity by returning some airplanes, and ditch long haul loss making routes. If they had not, Iberia would be facing even higher losses now. Any growth in the long haul will have to be modest and targeted, but there are certainly opportunities as Latin America attracts more trade. IB is in place to benefit if it can do so efficiently: the A330s will sure help.


User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Are they getting the ex BD airframes?.

User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 15):
Are they getting the ex BD airframes?.

Nope. They're getting brand new aircraft only.



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