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AA Adds 3 More 77W's  
User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20541 times:

Per AA's facebook page, they have added another 3 77W's to the order books.

Way to go AA!


Christopher W Slovacek
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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20528 times:

With these 3 new orders, how many total orders for the 77W does that take AA to?


Christopher W Slovacek
User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20309 times:

I'm hoping we'll see some new routes being announced instead of added capacity on current routes (snore!).

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20243 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
With these 3 new orders, how many total orders for the 77W does that take AA to?

13.



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User currently onlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3996 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20156 times:
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Are the 3 additional orders added to all the 777s they previously had on order (don't they still have a few more 200s on order), or they are replacing 3 of the 200s still to be delivered?


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20011 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
Are the 3 additional orders added to all the 777s they previously had on order (don't they still have a few more 200s on order), or they are replacing 3 of the 200s still to be delivered?

They exercised two options and converted one 777-200ER order per http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/ne...airlines-exercises-options-on.html


User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19979 times:

Sounds like a good move, increase the 77Ws fleet to make sure that the high end routes get the new products, and move some of the 772s over to some B763 routes to free them up for other routes to replace maybe some 757s


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User currently offlinecallsignpa From Denmark, joined May 2012, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19852 times:

Seems like chapter 11 is a nonstop spending spree...new planes, interiors, new products etc.
Is it easier getting loans while in chapter 11?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19742 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):

Are the 3 additional orders added to all the 777s they previously had on order (don't they still have a few more 200s on order), or they are replacing 3 of the 200s still to be delivered?

Two are new orders from their options, while one is an old -200ER order converted

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):

13.

Article says commited to 18, but is this including options or including old "mothballed" -200ER orders?

Quoting callsignpa (Reply 7):
Seems like chapter 11 is a nonstop spending spree...new planes, interiors, new products etc.
Is it easier getting loans while in chapter 11?

Fleet upgrade and renewable is an important aspect of coming out of Chapter 11 as a more solid company


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19715 times:

I wonder why they continue to book them as UFO even though they announce the orders themselves.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19718 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 8):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):

13.

Article says commited to 18, but is this including options or including old "mothballed" -200ER orders?
Fleet Renewal Approach

"As part of American's fleet renewal efforts, in 2011, we announced orders for 10 Boeing 777-300ERs that are scheduled for delivery in 2012 through 2013."

10+3=13



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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8766 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19542 times:

Quoting callsignpa (Reply 7):
Seems like chapter 11 is a nonstop spending spree...new planes, interiors, new products etc.
Is it easier getting loans while in chapter 11?

There is also a motive for current mgmt to appear vigorous and action-oriented. Arguably, any press release from AA needs to be viewed through this to understand the meaning.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19509 times:
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Quoting callsignpa (Reply 7):
Seems like chapter 11 is a nonstop spending spree...new planes, interiors, new products etc.

You have to spend money to make money.   


User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19444 times:

Quoting callsignpa (Reply 7):
Seems like chapter 11 is a nonstop spending spree...new planes, interiors, new products etc.
Is it easier getting loans while in chapter 11?

Will be paid for by employee concessions and passenger fees.

        
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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19306 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 8):
Fleet upgrade and renewable is an important aspect of coming out of Chapter 11 as a more solid company

Also, they don't actually pay anything more than a deposit until delivery, right?


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19252 times:

The first of the 77Ws is about 3 months away. I think this will help AA’s bottom line. They will have a competitive product in the premium classes and this will help lower CASM as well. It takes money to earn money and fleet renewal has to be part of the strategy. AA has the worst hard product companywide of any US airline, so without investment, it’s hard to win back the travelers that will pay for the future of AA.


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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18852 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 2):
I'm hoping we'll see some new routes being announced instead of added capacity on current routes (snore!).

I doubt youll see 773s on new routes. the 77Ws will free up 772s for new routes or 77W free up 772s which free up 763s.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18803 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):


"As part of American's fleet renewal efforts, in 2011, we announced orders for 10 Boeing 777-300ERs that are scheduled for delivery in 2012 through 2013."

10+3=13

But where does this single 777 already announced as a 2012 orders come from? AFAIK this is not one of these 2+1?

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

[Edited 2012-08-03 13:12:26]

User currently offlinemilestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18752 times:

When is AA scheduled to take delivery of new the six 77Es that they have on order?

User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 803 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18570 times:

This demonstrates what is wrong with our bankruptcy laws in the.USA.

User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3312 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18516 times:

Who does AA think they are fooling by saying they're offering a high-end product by introducing a 3+4+3 seating configuration on a 777? Are they anticipating a dumbing-down of the masses?


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User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17862 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 20):
Who does AA think they are fooling by saying they're offering a high-end product by introducing a 3+4+3 seating configuration on a 777? Are they anticipating a dumbing-down of the masses?

The high end product enhancements are for first and business class. Coach class is ECONOMY...meaning that people in these seats are typically price sensitive, which means they're choosing flights/airlines based on fares and not seat configurations.


User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17758 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 20):
Who does AA think they are fooling by saying they're offering a high-end product by introducing a 3+4+3 seating configuration on a 777? Are they anticipating a dumbing-down of the masses?

Other reputable carriers have the same configuaration and claim the same thing. Are thier masses dumbed down?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17528 times:

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 19):
This demonstrates what is wrong with our bankruptcy laws in the.USA.


Or that they work as they should as they enables companies to turn around instead of being shut down.

Gernany recently apprved a similar type of bankruptcy law and more will probably follow


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17077 times:

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 18):
When is AA scheduled to take delivery of new the six 77Es that they have on order?

AA is not scheduled to take delivery of any 772s, and I doubt they ever will. They will start getting the 77Ws in a few months and they will get them at about 1 per month, which is a relatively fast rate.

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 20):
Who does AA think they are fooling by saying they're offering a high-end product by introducing a 3+4+3 seating configuration on a 777? Are they anticipating a dumbing-down of the masses?

AA tried to offer a high end economy product and failed miserably. AA tried MRTC and to offer a better economy product, yet no one would pay extra for it. The market dictates that economy passengers book on price. More seats, means lower CASM, which is what the market wants. It certainly is not a high end product, but most people prefer anything that lowers the price of the ticket.



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25 TLHFLA : Is the 777-300 wider than the 777-200? Most 777-200's are 9 across, but it seems with the -300 10 across is the new standard.
26 BMI727 : The entire point of Chapter 11 is to allow companies to retool and fix what's wrong with them, and for an airline, renewing the fleet can certainly b
27 Stitch : All 777s have the same cabin width. As Roseflyer noted, 10-abreast seating is more economical for the airline than 9-abreast, so more and more carrie
28 Polot : They are both the same. 10 abreast has only recently been considered acceptable for your typical carrier, mostly due to the rise of EK and fuel price
29 einsteinboricua : Is it possible that AA might launch LAX-SYD (or another Asian city)? I know their first route is from LAX, but it seems a bit...wasteful...to deploy a
30 skyone : Isn t it DFW-GRU? What about southamerica in US winter and Europe in US summer?
31 Roseflyer : GRU, EZE and LHR are AA's busiest routes, so it makes sense to fly their biggest plane on those routes. Why would they want to open up new routes wit
32 777STL : Doubtful. LAX-SYD is a blood bath right now with DL, UA, Virgin and QF all serving it. An Asian city may be in the cards eventually, DFW-ICN and MIA-
33 jfk777 : The options AA is excersizing for -200ER are converted to -300ER, the demand for the 777-200ER is very low now. BY launching the new 77W AA will have
34 Viscount724 : Progress payments are normally made at various intervals between order and delivery.
35 Viscount724 : BA has several premium products but their economy class product, including on newly-delivered 77Ws, is still 9-abreast. Why fly a 10-abreast 777 when
36 flyfree727 : Someone needs to tell AA this, as this was the email we received today.. TODAY AMERICAN ANNOUNCED IS HAS EXERCISED OPTIONS FOR TWO ...ADDITIONAL 777-
37 Concordski : Hoping one of these birds ends up on a NRT route. Then I'd actually consider flying an American carrier instead of only ANA and JAL in J.
38 AeroWesty : Could AA convert the commitments to the 772s into 77Ws, like it has on other 772s on the order books?
39 solarflyer22 : I can see why it looks that way and I kind of agree. I think this is partly due to the fact that in Chapt 11 they have more leeway with the unions ir
40 cmf : This oversimplification has become a selffulfilling prophecy but reality is a lot more complicated. Have a look at how JetBlue is adding even more.
41 cosyr : Did I miss an announcement that they lost money in the 2nd quarter? Or, is this the first aircraft order by AMR in a while that doesn't come on the da
42 Stitch : Yes and they have done so.
43 SSTsomeday : It is called economy... but not torture. My brother-in-law recently asked my advice on overseas flights for his family, and I carefully directed him
44 BMI727 : Cost. Then feel free to fly someone else, and quite possibly pay more for the privilege. Most people don't waste time complaining that ultra cheap to
45 kaitak744 : Honestly, stop complaining about 3-4-3 on a 777. It is not that bad. AA can carry more people, and make more money. And I am perfectly fine with that.
46 SSTsomeday : It's my feeling, 1st of all, that pointing out poor service is not the fault of the "complainer." And I would not frame the word "complaining" as nec
47 BMI727 : Ten seats across is not poor service. There's nothing illegal or even unethical about it. It's a product you don't like, so be it. I think Wendy's ha
48 airsmiles : I agree with SSTsomeday. What happens when someone (perhaps Michael O'Leary?) comes up with an 11 abreast configuration or 10 abreast/reduced seat pit
49 crAAzy : JetBlue is adding more leg room to seats on one type of aircraft only (EBM-190) where it offers more space in row 1 (a bulkhead row) and one exit row
50 IndustryInsider : Honestly, I've flown both the 9 abreast and 10 abreast in economy and I can't really tell that the 10 abreast was any more uncomfortable than the 9 a
51 BMI727 : For some people, probably. For others, including myself, likely not. There are, at least for the FAA. You can't have a seat more than two seats from
52 RayChuang : The important thing is that the 77W has more range than the 777-200ER and can carry more cargo--a big moneymaker for the airline. Small wonder why the
53 brilondon : No, these orders are designed and seen as a way to be more financially sustainable carrier. The still have to get approval from the bankruptcy court
54 cmf : You're talking about the latest changes. Even More goes back to I think 2008 even though it wasn't called Even More then. Calling it an elite status
55 ORDFan : Huh DFW-LHR before ORD-LHR? Would like to have seen these new birds on that route; any ideas if/when these AA 77W's will make their way through ORD?
56 NorthstarBoy : Lately I've been looking at the seatmaps for the major One World carriers, mainly JAL and Cathay Pacific, and one thing I've noticed is that with the
57 Post contains links crAAzy : I'm just calling it what JetBlue has decided to call it. http://www.jaunted.com/story/2012/7/...Frequent+Flyer+Level+to+Drool+Over
58 Polot : I think the biggest problem with MRTC was that it was, as the name says, throughout coach. It probably would have been much more successful if it was
59 Stitch : If enough of the public purchase tickets on such a plane to make the service profitable, you'd have you answer, wouldn't you? I don't think it is fai
60 Roseflyer : I think we are confusing terms. I said scheduled. If you look at the Boeing production schedules, or AA's aircraft delivery schedules, there are no 7
61 BMI727 : You're right, you could have six in a center section.
62 gigneil : Of course it would. If people are willing to purchase a seat in a hypothetically safe 55 across coach cabin, then who are you to say they can't? NS
63 cmf : How is "Ability to use TrueBlue miles to upgrade to an Even More Space seat", as J6 calls it on the page you linked, an elite status program? Does it
64 Polot : Service was equal, AA just had more legroom which they promoted heavily. Even the name is kind of self explanatory. That is because they were not fil
65 Roseflyer : . I know I am never going to agree with your opinions on how to run an airline, but AA is going to have a premium economy at 9 abreast and 36’’ p
66 cmf : With more leg space service was not equal. You may think they promoted it heavily but few of the people I traveled with at the time where aware. I th
67 Polot : Yes, I agree with you. The point that I (and others such as Roseflyer) were trying to make is that AA approached it from the wrong angle by forcing t
68 Roseflyer : CMF, what are you trying to point out? Is your point that people will avoid the 77W on AA because of 10 abreast economy or are you just commenting on
69 Viscount724 : You're not giving people enough credit. Many frequent travellers use Y and that type of information quickly becomes known. Why fly a cramped 10-abrea
70 Roseflyer : BA has always had a better product than AA, yet AA isn’t flying empty. The business class on AA is atrocious compared to BA. However, not everythin
71 SCL767 : Yep, TAM will receive four new B77Ws this year and two will be deployed on the GRU-MIA route. TAM also plans to deploy the B77Ws on the GRU-JFK route
72 Post contains images cmf : This is what Roseflyer said and what I objected to. There is no room for AA approaching it wrong. Per him it is clearly lowest price and nothing else
73 Roseflyer : Here’s my claim: for economy class passengers, price is the most important factor when purchasing a ticket, followed closely by schedule convenienc
74 crAAzy : Not sure I understand you correctly, but AA will be adding a Main Cabin Extra (MCE) section to it's 737s and dropping the overall seat numbers back d
75 questions : "Way to go AA"... are you kidding me?? With "award winning" 3-4-3 economy class seating, what are you patting them on the back for, winning the race
76 SJUSXM : Still not sure what the big fuss about 3-4-3 vs. 2-5-2 is all about. Having sat in the middle of the 5, I would much rather have a configuration where
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