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More UA Widebodies Into IAH Part 1  
User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19935 times:

To coincide with the supposed sUA767 base opening and 762 retirement. IAH-EZE will be going 763 on Nov. 4th.

ORD-IAH finally gets 763 service starting 9/5/12 (?)

Depart:
5:03 p.m.
Chicago, IL (ORD - O'Hare)
Arrive:
7:43 p.m.
Houston, TX (IAH - Intercontinental)
Travel Time:
2 hr 40 mn
Award Miles
925
Flight: UA517
Aircraft: Boeing 767-300

Depart:
1:01 p.m.
Houston, TX (IAH - Intercontinental)
Arrive:
3:45 p.m.
Chicago, IL (ORD - O'Hare)
Travel Time:
2 hr 44 mn
Award Miles
925
Flight: UA802
Aircraft: Boeing 767-300

One of the IAH-LHR flights is supposed to go pmUA 777 3-class...as rumored on another thread.
IAH-HNL was rumored to be going domestic pmUA 777. I don't see either of those on timetables yet.
IAH-DEN gets an alternating 763 with IAH-SFO - feeding the IAH-LIM turn.

Arrival at IAH at 7:43p seems a little short for the 9:00p turn to EZE but I suppose it can be done.


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6637 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19927 times:

Are all the 762s gone already??


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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19846 times:

I think this is a sign that UA will begin to grow out of IAH soon, they are putting more widebodies on routes out of IAH.


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19820 times:

You know that isn't true. They have announced their intent to reduce 10%, and they are.

NS


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19805 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 3):

But they already announced the 10 cuts, that means the 10 percent cuts were already made. In my opinion.

[Edited 2012-08-04 16:28:08]


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19740 times:

Its not 10 cuts, its a combination of reduction of 6% of current flying (not even REMOTELY all of which has been announced, 6 percent is 42 daily flights, or a WHOLE lot more in terms of seats) as well as the elimination of planned service increases over the next year accounting for 4% percent.

The announcement is for a total yearly reduction of 10%. So there is no chance of growth there for a very long time, since that would be the opposite of a total yearly reduction of 10%.

NS


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19609 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 5):

I see, but how does that warrant that there wont be any growth for a long time, the routes United cut were unprofitable.



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User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19340 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 6):
Quoting gigneil (Reply 5):


I see, but how does that warrant that there wont be any growth for a long time, the routes United cut were unprofitable.

We'll make the 10% cuts. Jeff will spite the city and mayor. But in my opinion we'll grow here and grow sooner rather than later eventually.

IAH makes $$$ and I'm sure however unhappy the guys at the top may have been with the city and mayor. In the end IAH will grow. Through either new flights, or upgrade in capacity. I mean we're using just about every available gate at IAH. IIRC with my own eyes we have flights operating out of every single terminal. A,B,C,D,and E.

F if we had one

It would be quite dumb not to frankly.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19334 times:

On topic please...

This is not a sign of growth necessarily - except for the fact that the 763s will end up on domestic turns to rotate through IAH until enough can be based there. This is a function of retiring the 762s. The 762 I was on a couple of weeks ago from EWR-IAH was continuing on to EZE. What is curious is that the return from EZE arrives IAH at 6am...where does it go from there? Does it sit at IAH until the 1:00p departure to ORD?



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User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19333 times:

I'm wondering when we'll see 747 service out of IAH.

If I could think of any possible routes I'd say LHR or NRT.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19310 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 9):
If I could think of any possible routes I'd say LHR or NRT.

There are currently three international routes from IAH that could warrant the 744: LHR, NRT, and GIG. GIG is going pmCO 777, 2nd LHR flight is supposed to be going 3-class pmUA 777, and no changes yet for NRT. I don't see the 744 coming for at least another year...if at all.

IAH-LAX is a route that could use a 76 or 77... for example on Nov. 5th its 5x 752, 4x 753, and 1 738.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19281 times:
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the IAH-ORD is temporary right now for about 6.5 weeks.


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User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19269 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 10):
IAH-LAX is a route that could use a 76 or 77... for example on Nov. 5th its 5x 752, 4x 753, and 1 738.

Early 2000's we had at least a 762 and 777 on that route at one time. 02' , 03' I believe. It has been a while.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19164 times:
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Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 12):

there were 2 767-400's scheduled a day up until about 2005.



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User currently offlineSWALUV From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19097 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Thread starter):
IAH-HNL was rumored to be going domestic pmUA 777.

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow! Wow UA is getting risky?!?!?!?


User currently offlinefrosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19066 times:

Between January and May 2013 all the CAL 764 departures will be moved to the UAL 763 and UAL 777 aircraft. The Hawaii flight will go to the UAL 777 at some point. The company is still working out the details on that issue.

User currently offlineSWALUV From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19030 times:

Quoting frosty328 (Reply 15):
CAL 764 departures will be moved to the UAL 763

I thought the 767-300's where going to be converted to international service and not being used for domestic anymore.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19020 times:

Quoting frosty328 (Reply 15):

Between January and May 2013 all the CAL 764 departures will be moved to the UAL 763 and UAL 777 aircraft. The Hawaii flight will go to the UAL 777 at some point. The company is still working out the details on that issue.

All 764 departures from IAH?

As a side note - IAH-MSY is 9x319/320 and 1 753 and 1 739.



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User currently offlinefrosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19006 times:

Quoting SWALUV (Reply 16):
I thought the 767-300's where going to be converted to international service and not being used for domestic anymore.

Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18967 times:

Quoting frosty328 (Reply 18):
Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.

Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?



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User currently offlinefrosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18951 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):
Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?

I have no idea. I guess we can make more money with those aircraft in different hubs. The company is constantly fitting the right aircraft to the right route.


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18912 times:

Quoting frosty328 (Reply 20):

atleast you are seeing triple 7s take some of their routes.



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User currently offlinefrosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18848 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 21):
atleast you are seeing triple 7s take some of their routes.

I'm not sure what you're refrencing, L-CAL or L-UAL 777? L-CAL will loose one 777 flight out of IAH in early 2013, That will be going to the 787 allegedly. The IAH-HNL will go to L-UAL 777 some time in 2013.


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18826 times:

Quoting frosty328 (Reply 22):

L-UAL 777.



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2729 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18805 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):
Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?

I doubt that will be the case. If 764s are being removed from IAH completely, the only reason would be to offer F on 3 class aircraft. This would not include the 14 reconfigured 763 going international 2 class. So, IMHO, the below quote doesn't make sense.

Quoting frosty328 (Reply 18):
Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.

Regarding the 764s being changed to 772 UA domestic aircraft, the HNL-IAD/EWR/IAH services are rumored. There still is a question as to if the 764 Pacific configurations aircraft will become International aircraft - that would make sense as the international configuration has almost as many seats and could serve International, plus limited Hawaii services.


Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
Are all the 762s gone already??

Still 5 of original 10 flying now. UA just released a new fleet plan and it shows 2 more being removed in the 3rd quarter with the end of 2012 having 3 762s. Fall flying reductions and the 772 E+ mod ending should absorb the 762 removals.


25 frosty328 : What I was getting at is that L-UAL has enough international configured 763 aircraft. I wasn't clear, my apologies. It seems the company is doing an
26 spiritair97 : They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when). Not yet, there are still a few of those beaties in t
27 drerx7 : When? I never heard or saw that one...and I am all over a.net in regards to Houston.
28 AVENSAB727 : I heard in September.
29 frosty328 : That was never announced. That is a bad rumor.
30 drerx7 : Absolutely not. That would be on the schedules and houstonspotters would have been all over that as well - we would have known almost a year in advan
31 AVENSAB727 : Darnit. I hope we still see it.
32 gigneil : I am not sure that's true either. I believe they may put a UA 777 on AMS, LHR, GIG , maybe GRU. Hell, maybe LOS. Everything else will be a downgauge.
33 777222LR : I would like to see the FRA flight go to a 777, if it isn't already. Only makes sense to connect the two Star Hubs. LOS is already a 777.
34 CALPSAFltSkeds : OK, removal of the 764s would only be due to conversion to 3 class aircraft to gain the F market OR to downgrade total seats on some markets like AMS
35 SWALUV : The 767-400 has about the same amount of seats, last I checked, so i don't think it would be that different.
36 CALPSAFltSkeds : Yes it would as we're talking a 772A with a high density configuration of probably 30F/312Y=342 vs. the current 764 at 20F/236Y=256.
37 Post contains images SWALUV : Wow I feel stupid never-mind then
38 klwright69 : If you look closely at the post he meant a sUA777, which presumably has first class.
39 AVENSAB727 : I don't think that everything is a down gauge, it is more like putting the right aircraft on the route.
40 drerx7 : Well...we have to see how LH daily 388 affects loads on UA's daily 764. Jesus...I agree. I flew one from HNL-SFO and it was fine for the 4 1/2 hr run
41 102IAHexpress : What are the chances of seeing direct service to NRT on a 747? Say, IAH - SFO - NRT ?
42 drerx7 : I doubt that one. We would see NH or UA add a second IAH-NRT freq with the 787 before that...is my loose assumption.
43 STT757 : A 764 will be operating IAD-IAH starting this October. Nice to see some more gauge in IAD-sCO hubs. Also in October: EWR-IAH 1 762, 1 763, 1 764.[Edit
44 drerx7 : Good news, IAH hasn't seen this many domestic widebodies since the 80s when DL/AA/PA/CO/WA/National/EA all flew widebodies here...or so I see from th
45 Post contains images MSYtristar : Good news for IAH...the second most interesting city along the gulf coast.
46 tpaewr : This comment will not make some people happy. But having flown 75k this year on sCO and sUA, including the post premium cabin alignment. Till sUA gets
47 CALMSP : ..........IAH still has 764's to both AMS/FRA.
48 AVENSAB727 : IAH-AMS will go 787, dont know about FRA.
49 CALMSP : but we are a ways from that happening.
50 AVENSAB727 : UA will get the 787 this year, IAH-LOS could be the first intl route for the 787.
51 CALMSP : we haven't taken delivery of any plane yet..........and it will be doing doemstic runs for quite a while before launching international service.
52 AVENSAB727 : I know, but I meant when the 787 will be ready to start international service.[Edited 2012-08-05 17:43:05]
53 TWA772LR : I see 747 before NH or 2x UA daily. A 747 would add seats to the route, but not as much as another frequency/airline would. It maybe the right size p
54 tommy767 : ORD-IAH on a 763? Hey, sounds great to me. I'll take a 763 over a 738 on a route like IAH-LIM.
55 drerx7 : Operationally it'll be a feat to schedule the bird into IAH. As has been said before, NRT-IAH 744 would need to be paired with another international
56 Post contains images TWA772LR : All that is true but im sure can be figured out, and Terminal D is common use so space isn't that much of an issue. I thought about this earlier and
57 drerx7 : Well...I have seen UA use Terminal D recently with the 764. Its not desirable as you would want a flagship route like IAH-NRT to fly out of your worl
58 CALMSP : GIG would be tough due to additional a/c to do that flight. Piaring through LHR would be best where it could be tied in with a SFO/ORD (provided one
59 gigneil : Since the opinion of the company itself is the opposite, and the whole world knows that sCO is who is driving away the super-premium customers with t
60 AVENSAB727 : I can't wait to see the sUA 777 at IAH!
61 drerx7 : Lol...you may not tell the difference if you see one unless its in the old UA schemes. Tail number and engines are different - engine nacelles look t
62 AVENSAB727 : I wonder if more routes used by widebodies will be introduced in 2013 at IAH.
63 BCEaglesCO757 : Considering we never had a 738 on IAH-LIM.............
64 STT757 : IAH-LIM has always been a 757-200 or 757-300, except... I believe about 12 years ago CO was operating IAH-LIM-VVI with a 738, although it could have
65 BCEaglesCO757 : 12 years would be a year before my arrival. STT757 you are full of info. generally very accurate I must say. So there is the possibility before my hi
66 drerx7 : Well... I agree. But the seats on the pmCO 73s are not the most comfortable...
67 AVENSAB727 : I hope the 787 opens IAH-SCL
68 LipeGIG : IAH-GIG is already scheduled for upgauge to 772 (Jan 2013). GRU is 762... hard to think will get a 772. Expected to become 764 but is back to 762. No
69 aznmadsci : Will this be a sCO 772 or a sUA one?
70 tpaewr : I agree with you in part, in that UA took better care of it's top flyers, but the counter point can be made this extra pat on the head for the "1%" c
71 STT757 : sCO.
72 RDH3E : Since Jan/2011 I've done 25 segments in J and 12 in F on UA, and honestly I never felt like the catering was lacking... Until the new harmonized menu
73 st530 : IAH-EZE will be 3-class 763 or (more likely, I assume) 2-class reconfigured Ghetto Brd?
74 AVENSAB727 : Hope that one has winglets.
75 Post contains images Schweigend : All of UA's reconfigured domestic 763ERs will come out of mod with winglets! But when will the rest of their 763 fleet have them?
76 gigneil : 3 class 763s do not. All 2 class 763s will. NS
77 drerx7 : Well...IAH-EZE seat map shows reconfigured ghettos...but the ORD-IAH legs show 3 class birds...so who knows...
78 gigneil : They may not be the same frame through... there may be some other 3 class IAH route. NS
79 AVENSAB727 : I think there will be more pmUA 777 coming to IAH soon. I can see one on IAH-NRT.
80 CODC10 : No current plans and unlikely they will be retrofit. After the 762ERs leave the fleet, the oldest 763ERs go 'on the clock', so to speak.
81 AVENSAB727 : I wonder what will replace the 763 that will go on the clock though.
82 drerx7 : 787s of course. .
83 AVENSAB727 : Nice, So IAH will have a bunch of 787 flights to South America soon. Cool.
84 gigneil : Just out of curiosity, why do you keep saying that? We told you there'd be a 744 on IAH-NRT most likely. Its not like there are 777s to spare, especi
85 CODC10 : For the initial batch of 787s, aside from the standard domestic runs that are part of any new type's induction, IAH is a near-lock to see the followi
86 STT757 : New or existing route?
87 drerx7 : Well - not downsizing to the degree that is often implied incorrectly here on a.net. No Amen. As a spotter I could care less if pmUA 777s come to IAH
88 IAHFLYR : Yeah really, I don't get the big issue. sCO always cut approximately 10% of the flights immediately after Labor Day that they'd increased about 10% a
89 LAXdude1023 : Realistically, there arent many modifications/additions UA could make to their Latin America network from IAH. IAH-SCL is the only one that really le
90 tommy767 : How is IAH-LOS doing these days? Boo hoo. God forbid a sUA 763 replace a sCO 757.
91 AVENSAB727 : They are not downsizing, they are just right sizing, and doing normal seasonal reductions. Nice.
92 FlyingSicilian : IAH-MAR would most likely work and many folks in the Houston biz community want it, but it is a no go under the current regime.
93 AVENSAB727 : Agreed, and hopefully after October 7 that will change.
94 Post contains images point2point : Here here, my friend...... you know that they need all of the widebodies that they can get to use at DEN.......
95 AVENSAB727 : I wonder when more 787s are delivered, I wonder if more routes will come to IAH and EWR.[Edited 2012-08-08 09:17:10]
96 LAXdude1023 : Perhaps, but more than likely not to Latin America.
97 tommy767 : I've noticed very little crossfleeting on IAH-Latin America. I'm shocked they haven't flown a PMUA 757 into the mix considering they are flying them
98 LAXdude1023 : Im not sure where they would use them. BOG or CCS perhaps? LIM has a 763, UIO/TGU/MGA couldnt support that capacity, and PTY/GUA/SAL have frequency o
99 drerx7 : It would be a domestic 2 class bird... Well...SJU/CUN/SJD (seasonally) could use it.
100 AVENSAB727 : SJO could use a 757.
101 tommy767 : Check IAH-BOG maybe EWR-BOG or EWR-LIM
102 thomasphoto60 : Ever consider changing your screen name to.......... Right Sizin ?
103 AVENSAB727 : IAH-SCL could opened with a 763 most likely.
104 CALPSAFltSkeds : UA only has 11 overwater qualified 752s and 14 ETOPS 752 (most fly Hawaii, I presume). It would appear that you'd need the overwater equipped ones to
105 AVENSAB727 : I keep repeating that because some a.netters keep saying they are downsizing IAH.
106 gigneil : And the reason we keep saying that is that they are. NS
107 AVENSAB727 : They are downsizing in a way, but it is to right size and also because they cut some unprofitable routes.[Edited 2012-08-08 13:30:02]
108 AVENSAB727 : I think that more wide bodies to IAH does not look like downsizing.
109 tpaewr : It was a big down grade for the pax, worst in the front-end from a int'l CO 757 to UA ghetto bird. But it was driven by cargo, which needs not lie-fl
110 drerx7 : Yea...I'd like to see the pax numbers as well tho, because there has been an upgauge in equipment with the reduction in frequency. I have really yet
111 boilerla : You say this based on what? SFO has much better O&D then IAH does. Although I'm excited to see the 787s wherever (LAX! LAX!) UA realistically is
112 CODC10 : Most likely existing. Right now PVG and NRT are slated to go s-CO 777. I would not be surprised to see a 787 on one or both in short order. It seems
113 AVENSAB727 : But doesn't an up gauge in equipment with the reduced frequency mean that UA is further right sizing IAH, not to be repetitive, but a bigger aircraft
114 CODC10 : Before the merger CO had 25 787s on order, 8 787-8s and 17 787-9s. UA will take delivery of 4 -8s this year, with 6 in the fleet by the first quarter
115 drerx7 : O&D on that route is Y heavy and how do the premium yields stack up?...and the fact that AF owns the route...and wasn't the route served before b
116 BCEaglesCO757 : It shouldn't be considering most of the UA 757's are not ETOPS certified ( about 12 are in the sUA fleet ? ) and the PW's just have less power than t
117 gigneil : Hey I'm gonna ride that particular plane at least 2x a year. I think that you'd be surprised - if this were an old UA 767, I'd say probably. But the
118 BCEaglesCO757 : Can't have IAH getting too big for their pants or outshining anyone can we ? It's like some people are rooting for it ,hahaha.
119 Post contains images thomasphoto60 : Gotta keep Houston in it's place
120 AVENSAB727 : IAH will continue to be their largest hub, and that is for sure. lol.
121 gigneil : It already isn't, so there's that. This schedule has more seats from ORD. I realize you're a kid, but facts are sorta important in life. NS[Edited 20
122 AVENSAB727 : I am not a kid, but how do you know that ORD has more seats than IAH? And can I see the the schedule.
123 gigneil : Okay. Tell me then. How many flights left today from IAH and how many left ORD on United and United Express? NS
124 AVENSAB727 : you did not show me the schedule that tells the data.
125 gigneil : You can't find the UA schedules? You previously made a statement that IAH is and will continue to be their largest hub. I assumed you had data to back
126 CODC10 : The fact of the matter is that, after the merger, IAH became less important as an east-west connecting complex because, 1) DEN and ORD capture some ma
127 AVENSAB727 : How do you even see the schedules. Those schedules belong to the airline. But I understand, things have changed, UA is adjusting IAH and the mission
128 Post contains images TWA772LR : Anyways... IAH will RIGHTsize, ORD will RIGHTsize, SFO will RIGHTsize, etc... The RIGHTsizing seems harsh to Houstonians, such as myself, but we will
129 AVENSAB727 : Agreed, I will put the right sizing behind now, I think IAH is being right sized first, then ORD and others will follow.
130 drerx7 : Nope, sure won't...at best the title will flip back and forth seasonally between ORD and IAH. You can look at the .pdf from united.com What everyone
131 BCEaglesCO757 : Well said CODC10 and drex7. My point is that I don't see this big doom and gloom in cuts regarding IAH. Perhaps I' was way off,but it just comes acros
132 TWA772LR : I 100% agree on that. SFO, LAX, and ORD have HUGE O&D and connection opportunities. And DEN is strategically placed for connections and has a gro
133 drerx7 : Very true...IAH is also the highest yielding hub of UA...closely followed by EWR.
134 tommy767 : this is a laugh and a half. Houstonian's are so bitter about the merger that they have no idea that IAH in fact seems to be getting upsized. For once
135 AVENSAB727 : I noticed that, Houstonians will see that happen, that once they see that they will get over it in a second.
136 RDH3E : Neil, I understand what you're doing, but... are we talking peak schedule, monthly, etc what are we comparing? I show for 8/2/12 actual departed seat
137 AVENSAB727 : Thanks for clarifying, looks like IAH is still the largest. I would to see the peak schedule.
138 RDH3E : Here is the same data for full month July: Actual Departed seats: IAH: ML - 1,285,529 UX - 540,649 TTL = 1,826,178 ORD: ML - 975,160 UX - 690,328 TTL
139 AVENSAB727 : Thanks for showing the info.
140 Post contains images drerx7 : Amen Thanks for the data...per seats it looks like IAH has a good chance of remaining the largest hub if we count avaiblable seats. Unless...SGR and
141 FlyingSicilian : I miss the EFD service...
142 AVENSAB727 : I dont remember SGR having any scheduled service?
143 FlyingSicilian : SGR had service to IAH in the mid 80s IIRC and before that on some intra-Texas routes. Also IIRC Conquest airlines flew there from AUS in the early to
144 AVENSAB727 : I think IAH will be the largest hub for years. And I think it could get bigger.
145 tommy767 : Nah, if you ask me it's an upgrade. The 763s have really comfortable seats and it's a widebody. With the cuts I think it might go back the forth betw
146 Post contains links st530 : Re the "who's bigger" debate, an interview 5 days ago with Nene Foxhall of United: http://www.chron.com/default/article...les-blows-to-its-image-37619
147 boilerla : Sorry, miscounted the -8s & -9s. But still the statement stands; most of the -8s are already spoken for. There's just not a lot of them to go aro
148 drerx7 : Well...I prefer the 763 to the 757...but you lose out on the AVOD. Now once the 763s are refurbed... I had the pleasure of interning under Mrs. Foxha
149 AVENSAB727 : I dont think IAH will be cut. They are just modifying the hub, and cutting dead weight.[Edited 2012-08-09 14:20:18]
150 RDH3E : IAH actually has more departures, more passengers, more seats and more ASM's. It's the biggest by all 4 measures.
151 drerx7 : Honestly, that is an a.net issue that keeps coming up. The people in Houston need to...correction...United needs to convince Houstonians that the air
152 AVENSAB727 : I did not know that IAH was bigger in all four, this means that IAH will probably remain the largest hub.
153 boilerla : That's the point though, is that UA is cutting 10% across the board at IAH, but they haven't said how. If it's departures but all ERJs than IAH will
154 AVENSAB727 : UA is reducing flights, and they cut IAH-CDG and some ERJ flights.
155 Post contains images United727 : Speaking of UA Widebodies and IAH, anyone one here know when UA/CO is going to upload the 7e7 into the schedule, so we can start booking a few FAM tri
156 AVENSAB727 : I am wondering when the 744 will finally come to IAH.
157 CODC10 : Depends on what you find important. The 752 had wide flat bed seats in J, AVOD, and power at all seats. The 'ghetto bird' had more comfortable Y seat
158 gigneil : Currently? I don't think you're correct - and I looked at a bunchanumbers NS
159 AVENSAB727 : I think he is correct. He looked at the numbers from the month of July, and maybe more statistics, so I think he looked at than a "bunchanumbers".[Ed
160 FlyingSicilian : Of course you do, you are an IAH cheerleader. Many of us enjoy discussing Texas airports but with facts or cogent analysis. Your one sentence respons
161 AVENSAB727 : I said that based on what RDH3e showed, he got that from the UA schedules, and those numbers are from the month of July. So I think he is correct.
162 RDH3E : I sent this to Neil in a PM, but w/e. Since I'm not entirely sure of the sensitivity of information I'm just going to give the comparative percentage
163 drerx7 : Thanks...with these estimates...I'd agree with the logical assertion that the title (FWIW) of largest hub will flip back and forth seasonally after t
164 AVENSAB727 : I see, that is some good info to know.
165 flyhossd : Did you see RDH3E's post (below)? Did you compute something significantly different? If so, please post those numbers. I'd like to see them. July num
166 TWA772LR : I see some J-lines in Terminal C have 777/764/763 and E190 markers on them. And this isn't at C-14 and C-16, this was C-20, and I'm sure there are oth
167 toxtethogrady : What other markets have as robust a local economy as Houston?
168 LAXdude1023 : If were only talking about United hubs, DC would be next in line. Other markets that have very robust economies right now include Dallas and Boston a
169 toxtethogrady : And, boy is that a mistake.
170 tommy767 : BOS? I'm not sure about BOS at all. They are more like NYC -- there are SOME jobs avail, but still not many. Recovery is slow. Best economies seem to
171 toxtethogrady : The most obvious change I saw this summer was all the Colgan birds went away. The total departure count on a Friday in July was 732 this year, compar
172 toxtethogrady : I contrast this with American and their "cornerpoints" strategy, which seemed to be all about emphasizing service to the hubs rather than redistribut
173 AVENSAB727 : I think more widebodies is a good sign for IAH, it means an upgauge in my opinion.
174 LAXdude1023 : I would take Atlanta off that list. They were hit much harder by the recession and still havent recovered. San Francisco and the Bay Area were hit ha
175 Post contains images CALMSP : TEXAS......................you can pretty much say everywhere in TEXAS!!
176 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : There is an article from USAToday posted via HoustonSpotters that quotes a United spokesman as saying Houston-Lagos will be the first int'l route for
177 drerx7 : Just as many of us have suspected. Looks like a few of the 787s will probably rotate on a LOS-IAH-DEN-NRT routing.
178 CALPSAFltSkeds : Routing would be something like this: Monday: IAH 0900 DEN 1030-1155 NRT (Tuesday)1500-1640 DEN (Tuesday) 1230-1415 IAH 1740-1935 LOS (Wednesday) 133
179 AVENSAB727 : I wonder when more IAH routes like IAH-AMS will be announced.
180 Post contains images point2point : Does this somehow mean that DEN will get a 1-stop into Africa?
181 CALMSP : United has yet to announce an official first flight for the Dreamliner, but Dave Hilfman – United's senior vice president of sales – told Today i
182 AVENSAB727 : Read the article again, it says DEN-NRT is the first NEW route, IAH-LOS is an already existing route that will get the 787 first.
183 CALMSP : well, open for interpretation or bad writing format.
184 Post contains images UnitedTristar : once the UA operation in GRU is merged, the UA 777 tag from GRU to GIG will help the IAH to GRU trip I am sure based on the IAH to LOS/DEN and DEN to
185 Post contains images UnitedTristar : either that or IAH will get a second NRT trip via "Direct - One Stop" service. -m [Edited 2012-08-21 17:31:03]
186 drerx7 : I don't know about that...seems pretty clear to me. Or...LOS will get a two-stop to NRT lol
187 AVENSAB727 : UA is getting 5 787s this year, 1 in late September, and 5 later on this year, so I think AMS can still happen.
188 CALMSP : agreed, but not this year. will be 2012. Lots of proving runs to do during the last 2 months of the year.
189 aznmadsci : DEN already has a 1-stop into Africa wither with UA or DL, just not same flight number nor same plane.
190 AVENSAB727 : I hope a new route will be added out of IAH in the next year with the 787.
191 CALMSP : wow, no one has posted the first routes to be loaded this weekend for the 787?! (ps - its not LOS)
192 AVENSAB727 : Then, What are they?
193 drerx7 : Hmm...I think I have some guesses, lol. There are some rumblings on another forum about some of the 787 routes to be loaded this weekend... AMS/LOS/P
194 CALMSP : I wait only for the public release. I let others spill the beans before it is public knowledge.
195 AADC10 : I have noticed on UA that 1 stop international flights with the same number and even the same aircraft type rarely, if ever, use the same aircraft. T
196 STT757 : International, domestic ?
197 CALMSP : international!
198 drerx7 : Very smart man...lol...I/we appreciate the hints though.
199 STT757 : I'm going to speculate that LHR is probably the first one, want to show it off.
200 gigneil : It isn't.... but its not far from there at all. NS
201 CODC10 : IAH-AMS? They probably won't downgauge IAH-NRT.
202 UA767400 : Bad writing...USA Today in the Sky is good, but the writing was not great in the last paragraph. Everybody knew (before your hint) that we were going
203 drerx7 : LOL...I didn't hear that it would be IAH-NRT...but another NRT route.
204 drerx7 : Well, here is what was just posted... "UNITED has outlined initial Boeing 787 operations, including following routes. Domestic (Approximate timeframe)
205 gigneil : That is also pretty accurate... NS
206 UA767400 : I heard it was a city in the west that would receive a 787 to fly to NRT.
207 Post contains images gigneil : And now we all know I am enthused not just for these routes, but the freeing up of the 777s flying most of them. I can see expansion of cities served
208 drerx7 : Also looks like during that time frame IAH-LHR gets 3xdaily freq.
209 CONTACREW : First international 787 route is IAH - AMS. Goes on sale this weekend.
210 Post contains images UA767400 : I see that you posted what I posted on HS I came across this on airlineroute.net
211 STT757 : Looks like they are freeing up a bunch of 777s, and a 764, new flying opportunities for Summer '13?
212 drerx7 : LOL, so that's you!!! Yep, IAH-AMS, LAX-PVG/NRT...that is very interesting. That should allow them to go ahead and offload the rest of the 762s quick
213 STT757 : The 762s capacity is already being replaced by the domestic 763 conversions, this is all new capacity.
214 CALMSP : which is what is going to make these next 12 months very exciting!!
215 AVENSAB727 : I know!!!, looks like IAH will get the first 787 intl route.
216 gigneil : Speaking of, saw one of the 76Ws at SFO this Monday. Not sure where it goes from there, but it looked real sharp - sharpest a UA 76 has looked in yea
217 CONTACREW : Right now it's currently flying between SFO - ORD. Will begin flying ORD - CDG starting tomorrow.
218 CALPSAFltSkeds : Obviously these will have domestic segments weaved in, especially before January 2013 Looking at the routings I see: According to above posts, by Dece
219 drerx7 : If UA001/002 is the flight number assigned to the extra IAH-LHR flight...does that indicate that the long running IAH-HNL 001 going pmUA metal after a
220 CALMSP : yes, its already loaded as UA 777 for IAH-HNL
221 drerx7 : Really? When does that flight start? Is there another hub tag or is HNL the turn point? Is it an additional LHR flight? Where is the 3rd slot coming
222 CONTACREW : UA1/UA2 currently the IAH - HNL - IAH trip, will become an IAH - LHR - IAH trip, and UA218/UA219 will be the new flight #s for IAH - HNL - IAH.
223 CODC10 : I believe UA1/2 will be a new (3rd daily) IAH-LHR frequency.
224 drerx7 : That'll be a healthy bit of capacity on IAH-LHR. UA with 2x777 and 1x788 and BA during the same time period with 1x744 and 1x77W.
225 FSDan : Interesting. Looks like the IAH-LHR and IAH-AMS flights are just temporary this Spring, while waiting for enough aircraft to fly the longer routes. So
226 drerx7 : Both of which needed the capacity of a widebody even before the merger!
227 CONTACREW : Both LAX - NRT, and LAX - PVG will use an aircraft coming in from IAH. So one aircraft will go IAH - LAX - NRT, and the other will go IAH - LAX - PVG
228 FSDan : Hmmm. In that case, it seems like they will need more than 6 frames the operate the announced schedules in march... That sort of schedule seems like
229 drerx7 : Also...airlineroute.net and united.com are showing that the Nov. 4th change on IAH-HNL onto pmUA 777 will be a 3 class bird...is this accurate? Why wo
230 CALMSP : not the good 3 class bird............. as for the 3rd IAH-LHR, where are people seeing this? I dont see this.
231 drerx7 : Which one is this one? That's what's being reported on airlineroute.net...so I don't know how accurate that info is, that site is usually fairly reli
232 CALMSP : this would be the 12/49/197 configuration. The updated bird is the 8/40/218 configuration. The 787 will replace other aircraft types on each of these
233 drerx7 : Well, from a passenger point of view that's better than the domestic config 777, this also keeps the total capacity close to what the 764 on the rout
234 CALMSP : would have to do so somewhere, no where to be seen right now.
235 UA767400 : A friend at UA told me that IAH-LHR will get a 3 class bird sometime next year...So in theory this could be the bird to go to LHR.
236 CODC10 : LHR will almost undoubtedly get IPTE birds. I suspect the aircraft that will operate IAH-HNL will be one of the three 777s slated to go from the old
237 drerx7 : True...but the times don't add up...and this flight starts November 4th, 2012. Its a 7:xx am arrival into IAH and 9:xx am departure back to HNL...lea
238 UA767400 : They don't, but they could have it sit on the ground for some time in between flights. However a rotation with SFO makes quite a bit more sense
239 RDH3E : This came out in United Daily yesterday evening, so it might as well be public info. 04FEB13-29MAR13 for the LHR bird. Fairly small window, looks lik
240 CALMSP : no, below is what it states. The 787 will replace other aircraft types on each of these existing routes and will be reflected in our published schedu
241 RDH3E : No, what it says for AMS and LHR is that it will replace other aircraft BETWEEN XXX and XXX dates. Read it again. 787 service ceases on both routes 3
242 gigneil : CALMSP since you didn't quote which part you disagreed with, I have to say he's right - the IAH routes will only be running for a brief bit based on w
243 CALMSP : exactly, its not stating we are adding a 3rd IAH-LHR route. The 787 will replace one of these 777 routes for a specific time frame.
244 gigneil : Yeah that part I wasn't so clear on but I assumed the 3rd flight was a bit too much hoping and not enough doing. NS
245 CALPSAFltSkeds : IAH-HNLis loaded in United.com as a daily old international sUA 772. sCO has run aircraft on the EWR-HNL and other similar routes (EWR/IAD) for sever
246 Post contains images UnitedTristar : UA has provided more seats from the mainland to Hawaii than any other carrier for more than 50 years, and still expanding, and its not because its lo
247 gigneil : Hawaii is extremely high yield. NS
248 AVENSAB727 : If that is the case, why doesnt UA put a 787 on that route from IAH.
249 Post contains images UnitedTristar : What does the 787 have to do with yields? The 767-400 and 777 provide more seats, more money!!! -m
250 Post contains images drerx7 :
251 AVENSAB727 : I was only suggesting, but a Three class UA 777 will be perfect either way. I just hope UA opens a new route to Asia from IAH soon with the next batc
252 cosyr : That surprises me greatly. Do you have any numbers to back that up? Any source?
253 gigneil : ...why would they? Yes. NS
254 CALPSAFltSkeds : Maybe I'm looking at the past, but Hawaii has traditionally been a lower yielding market. In any case if yields are up that's great and have no quarr
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