drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17903 times:
To coincide with the supposed sUA767 base opening and 762 retirement. IAH-EZE will be going 763 on Nov. 4th.
ORD-IAH finally gets 763 service starting 9/5/12 (?)
Depart:
5:03 p.m.
Chicago, IL (ORD - O'Hare)
Arrive:
7:43 p.m.
Houston, TX (IAH - Intercontinental)
Travel Time:
2 hr 40 mn
Award Miles
925
Flight: UA517
Aircraft: Boeing 767-300
Depart:
1:01 p.m.
Houston, TX (IAH - Intercontinental)
Arrive:
3:45 p.m.
Chicago, IL (ORD - O'Hare)
Travel Time:
2 hr 44 mn
Award Miles
925
Flight: UA802
Aircraft: Boeing 767-300
One of the IAH-LHR flights is supposed to go pmUA 777 3-class...as rumored on another thread.
IAH-HNL was rumored to be going domestic pmUA 777. I don't see either of those on timetables yet.
IAH-DEN gets an alternating 763 with IAH-SFO - feeding the IAH-LIM turn.
Arrival at IAH at 7:43p seems a little short for the 9:00p turn to EZE but I suppose it can be done.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5714 posts, RR: 20 Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17895 times:
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17814 times:
I think this is a sign that UA will begin to grow out of IAH soon, they are putting more widebodies on routes out of IAH.
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17788 times:
You know that isn't true. They have announced their intent to reduce 10%, and they are.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17773 times:
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17708 times:
Its not 10 cuts, its a combination of reduction of 6% of current flying (not even REMOTELY all of which has been announced, 6 percent is 42 daily flights, or a WHOLE lot more in terms of seats) as well as the elimination of planned service increases over the next year accounting for 4% percent.
The announcement is for a total yearly reduction of 10%. So there is no chance of growth there for a very long time, since that would be the opposite of a total yearly reduction of 10%.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17577 times:
BCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 213 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17308 times:
I see, but how does that warrant that there wont be any growth for a long time, the routes United cut were unprofitable.
We'll make the 10% cuts. Jeff will spite the city and mayor. But in my opinion we'll grow here and grow sooner rather than later eventually.
IAH makes $$$ and I'm sure however unhappy the guys at the top may have been with the city and mayor. In the end IAH will grow. Through either new flights, or upgrade in capacity. I mean we're using just about every available gate at IAH. IIRC with my own eyes we have flights operating out of every single terminal. A,B,C,D,and E.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17302 times:
On topic please...
This is not a sign of growth necessarily - except for the fact that the 763s will end up on domestic turns to rotate through IAH until enough can be based there. This is a function of retiring the 762s. The 762 I was on a couple of weeks ago from EWR-IAH was continuing on to EZE. What is curious is that the return from EZE arrives IAH at 6am...where does it go from there? Does it sit at IAH until the 1:00p departure to ORD?
BCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 213 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17301 times:
I'm wondering when we'll see 747 service out of IAH.
If I could think of any possible routes I'd say LHR or NRT.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17278 times:
Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 9): If I could think of any possible routes I'd say LHR or NRT.
There are currently three international routes from IAH that could warrant the 744: LHR, NRT, and GIG. GIG is going pmCO 777, 2nd LHR flight is supposed to be going 3-class pmUA 777, and no changes yet for NRT. I don't see the 744 coming for at least another year...if at all.
IAH-LAX is a route that could use a 76 or 77... for example on Nov. 5th its 5x 752, 4x 753, and 1 738.
BCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 213 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17237 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 10): IAH-LAX is a route that could use a 76 or 77... for example on Nov. 5th its 5x 752, 4x 753, and 1 738.
Early 2000's we had at least a 762 and 777 on that route at one time. 02' , 03' I believe. It has been a while.
frosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17034 times:
Between January and May 2013 all the CAL 764 departures will be moved to the UAL 763 and UAL 777 aircraft. The Hawaii flight will go to the UAL 777 at some point. The company is still working out the details on that issue.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16988 times:
Quoting frosty328 (Reply 15):
Between January and May 2013 all the CAL 764 departures will be moved to the UAL 763 and UAL 777 aircraft. The Hawaii flight will go to the UAL 777 at some point. The company is still working out the details on that issue.
All 764 departures from IAH?
As a side note - IAH-MSY is 9x319/320 and 1 753 and 1 739.
frosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16974 times:
Quoting SWALUV (Reply 16): I thought the 767-300's where going to be converted to international service and not being used for domestic anymore.
Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16935 times:
Quoting frosty328 (Reply 18): Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.
Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?
frosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16919 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19): Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?
I have no idea. I guess we can make more money with those aircraft in different hubs. The company is constantly fitting the right aircraft to the right route.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16880 times:
frosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16816 times:
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 21): atleast you are seeing triple 7s take some of their routes.
I'm not sure what you're refrencing, L-CAL or L-UAL 777? L-CAL will loose one 777 flight out of IAH in early 2013, That will be going to the 787 allegedly. The IAH-HNL will go to L-UAL 777 some time in 2013.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16794 times:
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2199 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16773 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19): Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?
I doubt that will be the case. If 764s are being removed from IAH completely, the only reason would be to offer F on 3 class aircraft. This would not include the 14 reconfigured 763 going international 2 class. So, IMHO, the below quote doesn't make sense.
Quoting frosty328 (Reply 18): Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.
Regarding the 764s being changed to 772 UA domestic aircraft, the HNL-IAD/EWR/IAH services are rumored. There still is a question as to if the 764 Pacific configurations aircraft will become International aircraft - that would make sense as the international configuration has almost as many seats and could serve International, plus limited Hawaii services.
Still 5 of original 10 flying now. UA just released a new fleet plan and it shows 2 more being removed in the 3rd quarter with the end of 2012 having 3 762s. Fall flying reductions and the 772 E+ mod ending should absorb the 762 removals.
frosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17188 times:
Quoting frosty328 (Reply 18):
Thats correct. All the domestic UAL 763 are being converted to international service aircraft. UAL as enough 763 international aircraft now to replace the 764 routes out of IAH. The 764 aircraft that were in IAH will be displaced to IAD and EWR.
What I was getting at is that L-UAL has enough international configured 763 aircraft. I wasn't clear, my apologies. It seems the company is doing an aircraft swap. I'm sure the L-CAL 764 will replace some of the L-UAL 763 out of IAD and vise vera out of IAH.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 26, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17297 times:
Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 9): I'm wondering when we'll see 747 service out of IAH.
They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when).
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 28, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17426 times:
frosty328 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 29, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17434 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 27): Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 26):
They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when).
Absolutely not. That would be on the schedules and houstonspotters would have been all over that as well - we would have known almost a year in advance lol.
Quoting frosty328 (Reply 29):
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 27):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 26):
They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when).
That was never announced. That is a bad rumor.
Absolutely a bad rumor and one that has zero basis in reality...unfortunately.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 31, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17292 times:
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 32, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16962 times:
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 21): atleast you are seeing triple 7s take some of their routes.
I am not sure that's true either.
I believe they may put a UA 777 on AMS, LHR, GIG , maybe GRU. Hell, maybe LOS. Everything else will be a downgauge.
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 24): If 764s are being removed from IAH completely, the only reason would be to offer F on 3 class aircraft.
Why do you say that? The extra capacity can be useful in other markets than IAH. I don't agree with this position.
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 24): Regarding the 764s being changed to 772 UA domestic aircraft, the HNL-IAD/EWR/IAH services are rumored.
Hopefully _post_ refurb. I would rather take a loaded shotgun to the face than fly one of the current 6 from EWR all the way to HNL.
And really, is IAD performing that well?
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 26): They already announced that IAH-NRT will go to a 747 sometime this year (I don't remember when).
777222LR From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 104 posts, RR: 1 Reply 33, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16841 times:
I would like to see the FRA flight go to a 777, if it isn't already. Only makes sense to connect the two Star Hubs. LOS is already a 777.
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2199 posts, RR: 8 Reply 34, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16491 times:
Quoting gigneil (Reply 32): Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 24):
If 764s are being removed from IAH completely, the only reason would be to offer F on 3 class aircraft.
Why do you say that? The extra capacity can be useful in other markets than IAH. I don't agree with this position.
OK, removal of the 764s would only be due to conversion to 3 class aircraft to gain the F market OR to downgrade total seats on some markets like AMS. Maybe FRA will go 772 and AMS could go 763. HNL is going 772A so maybe the 764s may go entirely, but I don't think UA is pulling them just to pull the aircraft from IAH or for any other reasons than marketing.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 32): Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 24):
Regarding the 764s being changed to 772 UA domestic aircraft, the HNL-IAD/EWR/IAH services are rumored.
Hopefully _post_ refurb. I would rather take a loaded shotgun to the face than fly one of the current 6 from EWR all the way to HNL.
The rumor is that the 772A units that are now in the old international config will get the recliner Business seats in the ps configured 752 aircraft. That would be 57 inch pitch in standard domestic F seat widths - not lie flat. Y is to get new 3-3-3 seating.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 32): And really, is IAD performing that well?
I believe it is, which is great for the new route, but it is summer.
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2199 posts, RR: 8 Reply 36, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15083 times:
Quoting SWALUV (Reply 35): Quoting gigneil (Reply 32):
And really, is IAD performing that well?
The 767-400 has about the same amount of seats, last I checked, so i don't think it would be that different.
Yes it would as we're talking a 772A with a high density configuration of probably 30F/312Y=342 vs. the current 764 at 20F/236Y=256.
klwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1786 posts, RR: 3 Reply 38, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14742 times:
Quoting 777222LR (Reply 33): I would like to see the FRA flight go to a 777, if it isn't already. Only makes sense to connect the two Star Hubs. LOS is already a 777.
If you look closely at the post he meant a sUA777, which presumably has first class.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 39, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14624 times:
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 40, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14460 times:
Quoting 777222LR (Reply 33):
I would like to see the FRA flight go to a 777, if it isn't already. Only makes sense to connect the two Star Hubs. LOS is already a 777.
Well...we have to see how LH daily 388 affects loads on UA's daily 764.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 32): Hopefully _post_ refurb. I would rather take a loaded shotgun to the face than fly one of the current 6 from EWR all the way to HNL.
Jesus...I agree. I flew one from HNL-SFO and it was fine for the 4 1/2 hr run...but 8hrs and up...no thanks, I'd prefer to stopover in LAX/SFO first before I did that from IAH or EWR/IAD.
102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1154 posts, RR: 3 Reply 41, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14266 times:
What are the chances of seeing direct service to NRT on a 747? Say, IAH - SFO - NRT ?
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16246 posts, RR: 52 Reply 43, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13060 times:
A 764 will be operating IAD-IAH starting this October. Nice to see some more gauge in IAD-sCO hubs.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 44, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12990 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 43):
A 764 will be operating IAD-IAH starting this October. Nice to see some more gauge in IAD-sCO hubs.
Good news, IAH hasn't seen this many domestic widebodies since the 80s when DL/AA/PA/CO/WA/National/EA all flew widebodies here...or so I see from the pics (I was born in '81). IAH will have widebody service to all UA hubs except for CLE and LAX.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 45, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12834 times:
Good news for IAH...the second most interesting city along the gulf coast.
tpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 440 posts, RR: 0 Reply 46, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12735 times:
This comment will not make some people happy. But having flown 75k this year on sCO and sUA, including the post premium cabin alignment. Till sUA gets a little more refined I doubt we will see much sUA a/c on super competitive routes in the PMCO network.
It *will* come, but swapping to a sUA on say IAHLHR right now will just be sending heaps of high yield traffic to BA. They are still working out the kinks in adopting sCO service levels.
For now you will see sUA to *A hub. eg EWR-GVA/ZRH/BRU/IST. Were there is greater margin for "error". You will have wait longer to see sUA 3 cabin or not, going EWR/IAH-LHR. Those pax have too many options
If you're a really captive market you may get 'lucky' and get a sUA ghetto bird like poor IAHLIM!
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 48, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12083 times:
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AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 52, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11870 times:
I see 747 before NH or 2x UA daily. A 747 would add seats to the route, but not as much as another frequency/airline would. It maybe the right size plane for the route, especially since those NRT flights have been coming into IAH almost near capacity (passenger wise, I don't know about cargo but I imagine it would be huge on NRT-IAH).
There's nothing like the smell of Jet-A in the morning. It smells like... VICTORY!!!
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 54, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11570 times:
Quoting frosty328 (Reply 20): I have no idea. I guess we can make more money with those aircraft in different hubs. The company is constantly fitting the right aircraft to the right route.
ORD-IAH on a 763? Hey, sounds great to me.
Quoting tpaewr (Reply 46):
If you're a really captive market you may get 'lucky' and get a sUA ghetto bird like poor IAHLIM!
I'll take a 763 over a 738 on a route like IAH-LIM.
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 55, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11549 times:
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 53): I see 747 before NH or 2x UA daily. A 747 would add seats to the route, but not as much as another frequency/airline would. It maybe the right size plane for the route, especially since those NRT flights have been coming into IAH almost near capacity (passenger wise, I don't know about cargo but I imagine it would be huge on NRT-IAH).
Operationally it'll be a feat to schedule the bird into IAH. As has been said before, NRT-IAH 744 would need to be paired with another international route or be perpetually placed on a domestic turn...which I don't know if that is more lucrative than just parking the bird at IAH for 24hrs. I am hoping upon hope that IAH gets the 744...but there just are operational and logistical issues with that move. Not to mention spacing issues at Terminal E...
All that is true but im sure can be figured out, and Terminal D is common use so space isn't that much of an issue. I thought about this earlier and thought of using the arrival time of Flt. 6 as the departure of the new Flt. 7; and use the departure time of the current Flt. 7 as the arrival time of the new Flt. 6. Unless NRT is filled with a lot of connecting pax from South America, I don't see how this can be a bad idea. If Flt. 7 does have a lot of connecting South America pax, then I'm sorry for wasting mine and everyone's time. Lol
There's nothing like the smell of Jet-A in the morning. It smells like... VICTORY!!!
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 57, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11431 times:
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 56): All that is true but im sure can be figured out, and Terminal D is common use so space isn't that much of an issue.
Well...I have seen UA use Terminal D recently with the 764. Its not desirable as you would want a flagship route like IAH-NRT to fly out of your world class Terminal E as opposed to Terminal D, not that Terminal D is a dump or anything...but E is well...E lol. To me...i'd pair the 744 with GIG or the 2nd LHR. Now, if they started to do 747 mx at IAH then that solves the issue all together.
GIG would be tough due to additional a/c to do that flight. Piaring through LHR would be best where it could be tied in with a SFO/ORD (provided one of those flips back to 747)
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 59, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10763 times:
Quoting tpaewr (Reply 46): Till sUA gets a little more refined I doubt we will see much sUA a/c on super competitive routes in the PMCO network.
Since the opinion of the company itself is the opposite, and the whole world knows that sCO is who is driving away the super-premium customers with their practices - at least for now - I doubt that's true.
Lol...you may not tell the difference if you see one unless its in the old UA schemes. Tail number and engines are different - engine nacelles look the same except CO's say GE90 on them.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16246 posts, RR: 52 Reply 64, posted (9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10233 times:
Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 63):
Considering we never had a 738 on IAH-LIM.............
IAH-LIM has always been a 757-200 or 757-300, except...
I believe about 12 years ago CO was operating IAH-LIM-VVI with a 738, although it could have been a 757. This is during the time EWR-LIM nonstop DC-10 flight was changed to IAH-LIM-SCL with a 757.
BCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 213 posts, RR: 2 Reply 65, posted (9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10153 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 64): IAH-LIM has always been a 757-200 or 757-300, except...
I believe about 12 years ago CO was operating IAH-LIM-VVI with a 738, although it could have been a 757. This is during the time EWR-LIM nonstop DC-10 flight was changed to IAH-LIM-SCL with a 757.
I believe the schedule was something like this:
IAH-LIM-SCL daily 757
IAH-LIM-VVI 3-4x daily 738.
12 years would be a year before my arrival.
STT757 you are full of info. generally very accurate I must say.
So there is the possibility before my hire.
I've never understood why flying 5-6 hours across the country on a 737 or 757 is so much more unbearable than 6-7 hours to LIM. Or EWR to pick-a-place-in-Europe.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 66, posted (9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10115 times:
Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 65): e never understood why flying 5-6 hours across the country on a 737 or 757 is so much more unbearable than 6-7 hours to LIM. Or EWR to pick-a-place-in-Europe.
Well... I agree. But the seats on the pmCO 73s are not the most comfortable...
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 68, posted (9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9972 times:
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Quoting gigneil (Reply 32): I believe they may put a UA 777 on AMS, LHR, GIG
IAH-GIG is already scheduled for upgauge to 772 (Jan 2013).
Quoting gigneil (Reply 32): maybe GRU. Hell, maybe LOS. Everything else will be a downgauge.
GRU is 762... hard to think will get a 772. Expected to become 764 but is back to 762. Not that strong performer since it lost the tag to GIG (and at that time GIG represented more than 50% of total seats, 75% of business).
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 58): GIG would be tough due to additional a/c to do that flight. Piaring through LHR would be best where it could be tied in with a SFO/ORD (provided one of those flips back to 747)[ Edit Post ]
They may try in 2013 but to use the 744 it will be needed that Brazil decides to open new rounds for exploratory fields. There's room for more oil & gas activity, but it's quite limited to the current one (and current developments) and i believe the 772 covers that with exceptions of Friday/Saturday/Sunday and during heavy events (in the past during such events UA upgauged IAH-GIG to 772) like Rio Oil & Gas and OTC.
As usual, IAH-GIG goes 772 next month again to cover the demand for Rio Oil & Gas 2012.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
tpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 440 posts, RR: 0 Reply 70, posted (9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9961 times:
Quoting gigneil (Reply 59): Since the opinion of the company itself is the opposite, and the whole world knows that sCO is who is driving away the super-premium customers with their practices - at least for now - I doubt that's true.
NS
I agree with you in part, in that UA took better care of it's top flyers, but the counter point can be made this extra pat on the head for the "1%" can with a heavy price for the rest of the pax.
However that wasn't what I was talking about anyway. I was talking about the cabins and service levels of int'l long haul A/C, this is a thread about widebody A/C. PMUA C was light years behind CO J when it comes to meal service and cabin lay out. IPTE helps greatly, but even then the seat are cramped. However the meal service on old UA was barebones. Even the biggest UA-fan boy on FT will admit this.
The CO style cart service is alot more work for the crew, and I have experianced first hand the sUA crews are struggling with it. In the past 2 yr I have traveled *dozens* of segment on both (and plenty of others too). I am curious how much travel have you done on each long haul in F or J on UA/CO the past few years?
It is a fixable issue, but as of tonight UA front cabin service is not ready for PMCO route with tough rivals. If it was we would be seeing the 3 cabin A/C flying EWRLHR, not EWRIST.
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 54): I'll take a 763 over a 738 on a route like IAH-LIM.
What airline did you take? CM via PTY?
CO flew a 752 with lie flat seats in J and AVOD in Y
RDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1059 posts, RR: 0 Reply 72, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9650 times:
Quoting tpaewr (Reply 70): However the meal service on old UA was barebones. Even the biggest UA-fan boy on FT will admit this.
Since Jan/2011 I've done 25 segments in J and 12 in F on UA, and honestly I never felt like the catering was lacking... Until the new harmonized menu came out in June and I was BLOWN AWAY. Breakfast was amazing. Coffee, Juice, cinnamon roll, huge Omelet, Turkey Sausage, yoghurt, and fresh fruit! And this was in J so now I'm starting to believe people as I've still never had the opportunity to do sCO longhaul.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 74, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9304 times:
Schweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 494 posts, RR: 1 Reply 75, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9244 times:
All of UA's reconfigured domestic 763ERs will come out of mod with winglets!
But when will the rest of their 763 fleet have them?
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 76, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9160 times:
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 78, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9152 times:
They may not be the same frame through... there may be some other 3 class IAH route.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 79, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9140 times:
I think there will be more pmUA 777 coming to IAH soon. I can see one on IAH-NRT.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 81, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9074 times:
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 83, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9005 times:
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 84, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8901 times:
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 79): I think there will be more pmUA 777 coming to IAH soon. I can see one on IAH-NRT.
Just out of curiosity, why do you keep saying that?
We told you there'd be a 744 on IAH-NRT most likely. Its not like there are 777s to spare, especially given that they're downsizing IAH.
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 83): Nice, So IAH will have a bunch of 787 flights to South America soon. Cool.
Not likely, no.
The 787s are going to be used for a long time for routes that need the range. Which IAH to South America does not.
You're going to be seeing 767s awhile. We know you live in Houston and want every UA plane there, but its not going to happen.
The 787s are going to be used for a long time for routes that need the range.
For the initial batch of 787s, aside from the standard domestic runs that are part of any new type's induction, IAH is a near-lock to see the following 787 flights:
IAH-LOS
IAH-AMS
IAH-DEN (to support DEN-NRT)
IAH-LAX (to support some LAX-Asia 787 flying. No announcement yet to my knowledge but I have it on good authority it's going happen.)
I'll go so far as to say you can take that to the bank.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16246 posts, RR: 52 Reply 86, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8727 times:
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 85): IAH-LAX (to support some LAX-Asia 787 flying. No announcement yet to my knowledge but I have it on good authority it's going happen.)
The 787s are going to be used for a long time for routes that need the range. Which IAH to South America does not.
You're going to be seeing 767s awhile. We know you live in Houston and want every UA plane there, but its not going to happen.
Amen.
As a spotter I could care less if pmUA 777s come to IAH - they look the same as pmCO's. The only one rumored right now is to go on one of the IAH-LHR freq. and that is not confirmed (in regards to the 3 class). The domestic bird going on IAH-HNL is rumored...which is a big increase in capacity but a real downgrade in onboard product.
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4717 posts, RR: 26 Reply 88, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8615 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 87): Well - not downsizing to the degree that is often implied incorrectly here on a.net.
Yeah really, I don't get the big issue. sCO always cut approximately 10% of the flights immediately after Labor Day that they'd increased about 10% at Memorial Day. They'll simply pull the 0930-1030 CDT bank on Tues/Wed as they've previously done, regardless of what FLIBZ told the city.
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 87): but a real downgrade in onboard product
Certainly will. It may have me taking the IAH-LAX or IAH-SFO route to OGG rather than IAH-HNL nonstop and change in HNL if the 3 class is all it's not cracked up to be.
Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6779 posts, RR: 25 Reply 89, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8592 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 87): Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 83):
Nice, So IAH will have a bunch of 787 flights to South America soon. Cool.
No
Realistically, there arent many modifications/additions UA could make to their Latin America network from IAH. IAH-SCL is the only one that really leaps to mind for a new addition. They could also use a 763 for IAH-GRU. Other than that, I cant really think of anything. IAH-CLO/GYE were failures. That would not be any different today than when they were canned.
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tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 90, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8593 times:
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 85): IAH-LOS
IAH-AMS
IAH-DEN (to support DEN-NRT)
IAH-LAX (to support some LAX-Asia 787 flying. No announcement yet to my knowledge but I have it on good authority it's going happen.)
How is IAH-LOS doing these days?
Quoting tpaewr (Reply 70): CO flew a 752 with lie flat seats in J and AVOD in Y
Boo hoo. God forbid a sUA 763 replace a sCO 757.
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
FlyingSicilian From Croatia, joined Mar 2009, 823 posts, RR: 0 Reply 92, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8532 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 89): Realistically, there arent many modifications/additions UA could make to their Latin America network from IAH. IAH-SCL is the only one that really leaps to mind for a new addition. They could also use a 763 for IAH-GRU. Other than that, I cant really think of anything. IAH-CLO/GYE were failures. That would not be any different today than when they were canned.
IAH-MAR would most likely work and many folks in the Houston biz community want it, but it is a no go under the current regime.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1957 posts, RR: 1 Reply 94, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8487 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19): Interesting...no 764 routes from IAH? What's the economic nuts and bolts of that decision?
Here here, my friend...... you know that they need all of the widebodies that they can get to use at DEN.......
I've noticed very little crossfleeting on IAH-Latin America. I'm shocked they haven't flown a PMUA 757 into the mix considering they are flying them to quite a few destinations on various Houston domestic routes.
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LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6779 posts, RR: 25 Reply 98, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8342 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 97): I've noticed very little crossfleeting on IAH-Latin America. I'm shocked they haven't flown a PMUA 757 into the mix considering they are flying them to quite a few destinations on various Houston domestic routes.
Im not sure where they would use them. BOG or CCS perhaps? LIM has a 763, UIO/TGU/MGA couldnt support that capacity, and PTY/GUA/SAL have frequency over capacity.
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drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 99, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8248 times:
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 88): in HNL if the 3 class is all it's not cracked up to be.
It would be a domestic 2 class bird...
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 98): Im not sure where they would use them. BOG or CCS perhaps? LIM has a 763, UIO/TGU/MGA couldnt support that capacity, and PTY/GUA/SAL have frequency over capacity.
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 101, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8155 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 99): Well...SJU/CUN/SJD (seasonally) could use it.
Check
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 98): Im not sure where they would use them. BOG or CCS perhaps? LIM has a 763, UIO/TGU/MGA couldnt support that capacity, and PTY/GUA/SAL have frequency over capacity.
IAH-BOG maybe EWR-BOG or EWR-LIM
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thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 102, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8070 times:
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 103, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8058 times:
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2199 posts, RR: 8 Reply 104, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8079 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 97): I've noticed very little crossfleeting on IAH-Latin America. I'm shocked they haven't flown a PMUA 757 into the mix considering they are flying them to quite a few destinations on various Houston domestic routes.
UA only has 11 overwater qualified 752s and 14 ETOPS 752 (most fly Hawaii, I presume). It would appear that you'd need the overwater equipped ones to run most Latin America trips as the routing goes over the Gulf of Mexico. Correct me if I'm wrong.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 105, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8032 times:
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 106, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8020 times:
And the reason we keep saying that is that they are.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 107, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8002 times:
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 108, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7901 times:
I think that more wide bodies to IAH does not look like downsizing.
tpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 440 posts, RR: 0 Reply 109, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7929 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 90): Boo hoo. God forbid a sUA 763 replace a sCO 757.
It was a big down grade for the pax, worst in the front-end from a int'l CO 757 to UA ghetto bird. But it was driven by cargo, which needs not lie-flat seating nor AVOD, but does need a WB aircraft.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 110, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7818 times:
Quoting gigneil (Reply 106): And the reason we keep saying that is that they are.
NS
Yea...I'd like to see the pax numbers as well tho, because there has been an upgauge in equipment with the reduction in frequency. I have really yet to see a dramatic downsize from the normal 10% cut they do yearly at this time. Of course there is CDG...which was replaced with SFO...which will perform worse...
boilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0 Reply 111, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7810 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 110): Of course there is CDG...which was replaced with SFO...which will perform worse...
You say this based on what? SFO has much better O&D then IAH does.
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 95): I wonder when more 787s are delivered, I wonder if more routes will come to IAH and EWR.
Although I'm excited to see the 787s wherever (LAX! LAX!) UA realistically is not getting that many 787s. CO didn't exactly order a boatload--they ordered 11 788s, six of which will be delivered in 2013-2014. The 789s are a long ways away. Considering that at least 4 788s are spoken for between DEN-NRT and a rumored IAH-AMS, there's not a lot of spare 788s to go around. pmUA's order, which consisted of 25 788s, will not start deliveries until late 2016/early 2017, at which time UA can most likely deploy them out of whatever hub they desire.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 113, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7775 times:
But doesn't an up gauge in equipment with the reduced frequency mean that UA is further right sizing IAH, not to be repetitive, but a bigger aircraft means more seats and with that you don't need that much frequency, the UPGAUGES are a good move from UA for IAH.
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2166 posts, RR: 8 Reply 114, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7775 times:
Quoting boilerla (Reply 111):
Although I'm excited to see the 787s wherever (LAX! LAX!) UA realistically is not getting that many 787s. CO didn't exactly order a boatload--they ordered 11 788s, six of which will be delivered in 2013-2014.
Before the merger CO had 25 787s on order, 8 787-8s and 17 787-9s. UA will take delivery of 4 -8s this year, with 6 in the fleet by the first quarter of 2013. The other 2 will come on property sometime in the second half of 2013, and 787-9 deliveries will hopefully start in 2014.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 115, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7763 times:
Quoting boilerla (Reply 111): You say this based on what? SFO has much better O&D then IAH does.
O&D on that route is Y heavy and how do the premium yields stack up?...and the fact that AF owns the route...and wasn't the route served before by UA?
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 113): But doesn't an up gauge in equipment with the reduced frequency mean that UA is further right sizing IAH, not to be repetitive, but a bigger aircraft means more seats and with that you don't need that much frequency, the UPGAUGES are a good move from UA for IAH.
Well...the upgauges are a good move because it optimizes traffic flow at IAH. It does not necessarily mean that there is an increase in seats.
BCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 213 posts, RR: 2 Reply 116, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7662 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 97): I'm shocked they haven't flown a PMUA 757 into the mix considering they are flying them to quite a few destinations on various Houston domestic routes.
It shouldn't be considering most of the UA 757's are not ETOPS certified ( about 12 are in the sUA fleet ? ) and the PW's just have less power than the sCO birds. All fitted with Rolls Royce and every single one ETOPS ready. Only a handful of the sUA 75's are fittled with winglets.
That is no slight against the sUA 75's,but just how the fleet is.
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 117, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7649 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 110): Yea...I'd like to see the pax numbers as well tho, because there has been an upgauge in equipment with the reduction in frequency. I have really yet to see a dramatic downsize from the normal 10% cut they do yearly at this time. Of course there is CDG...which was replaced with SFO...which will perform worse...
Hey I'm gonna ride that particular plane at least 2x a year. I think that you'd be surprised - if this were an old UA 767, I'd say probably. But the new refurbs? Pretty competitive.
BCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 213 posts, RR: 2 Reply 118, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7651 times:
Quoting gigneil (Reply 106): And the reason we keep saying that is that they are.
NS
Can't have IAH getting too big for their pants or outshining anyone can we ?
thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 119, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7608 times:
Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 118): Can't have IAH getting too big for their pants or outshining anyone can we ?
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 120, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7599 times:
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 121, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7591 times:
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 120): IAH will continue to be their largest hub, and that is for sure. lol.
It already isn't, so there's that. This schedule has more seats from ORD.
I realize you're a kid, but facts are sorta important in life.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 122, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7566 times:
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 123, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7574 times:
Okay. Tell me then.
How many flights left today from IAH and how many left ORD on United and United Express?
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 124, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7539 times:
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 125, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7563 times:
You can't find the UA schedules?
You previously made a statement that IAH is and will continue to be their largest hub. I assumed you had data to back that up.
NS
(p.s. yes I am just trying to teach you to make factual statements)
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2166 posts, RR: 8 Reply 126, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7547 times:
The fact of the matter is that, after the merger, IAH became less important as an east-west connecting complex because, 1) DEN and ORD capture some major traffic flows better than IAH and 2) West Coast hubs of LAX and SFO bring nonstop service to many more markets than CO served as a standalone carrier.
For those reasons, traffic that would historically flow over IAH is transiting the system elsewhere, resulting in a bit of a mission change for the hub. It's not a bad thing, in fact it probably means that capacity can be adjusted to improve the mix of high-yield traffic, especially that which is destined for Latin America.
It is unfortunate that the whole Hobby flap came to be scapegoated for the reduction of IAH service for UA, but in reality the carrier is simply trying to figure out how all of its hubs fit together most profitably.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 127, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7543 times:
How do you even see the schedules. Those schedules belong to the airline. But I understand, things have changed, UA is adjusting IAH and the mission for the hub has changed. The sad part is the UA used the Hobby spat to cover this.
Anyways... IAH will RIGHTsize, ORD will RIGHTsize, SFO will RIGHTsize, etc... The RIGHTsizing seems harsh to Houstonians, such as myself, but we will forget about it and continue on. IAH's UA widebody future seems to look good as the 787s come on and sUA 763s get shifted over here and a hopeful 744.
Narrow bodies are a different story, however. Yes a lot more sUA 757s have been added to IAH but those only have like what, ~2 more seats than the 900ERs? And the 900ER is a more efficient plane on the domestic routes than the 757s. That alone gets me thinking. I see more Airbii out of IAH everyday and I do believe an A320 can out-perform a 738 on some routes and vice-verse. I can go on forever about the narrows, but I digress.
BTW, does anyone know if the rightsizing will happen in rounds (i.e. IAH 1st, ORD 2nd, etc...) or evenly system wide?
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AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 129, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7524 times:
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 130, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7497 times:
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 120): IAH will continue to be their largest hub, and that is for sure. lol.
Nope, sure won't...at best the title will flip back and forth seasonally between ORD and IAH.
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 127): How do you even see the schedules. Those schedules belong to the airline.
You can look at the .pdf from united.com
What everyone said is true, alot of those traffic flows can be handled better via DEN and ORD. IAH yields can be maximized now to fit the O&D etc. The time is now for other carriers to chip away at the Houston market...oh...wait...they are already starting. AS, NK, WN come to mind...in fact WN has consistently been growing HOU in the past 2 years, after a period of latency.
BCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 213 posts, RR: 2 Reply 131, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7467 times:
Well said CODC10 and drex7.
My point is that I don't see this big doom and gloom in cuts regarding IAH. Perhaps I' was way off,but it just comes across as that is what some seem to forsee, or at least things more drastic than what they are.
Again, I stress it comes across that way at times.
While we are certainly right-sizing the hub. As a Boston native, I've seen nothing but growth in Houston and the local economy. Slow at times to stagnant,but steady growth. I see that as a good thing for IAH.
We'll see how the hobby deal turns out,but I feel either way IAH can be a stong performer in the new United. Much they way I feel all the sUA hubs are very strong themselves. I always viewed the sUA hubs as top hubs if you had to choose among the legacies. At least among the top if you talk about high yielding traffic and O&D.
TWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 753 posts, RR: 1 Reply 132, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7409 times:
Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 131): sUA hubs as top hubs if you had to choose among the legacies
I 100% agree on that. SFO, LAX, and ORD have HUGE O&D and connection opportunities. And DEN is strategically placed for connections and has a growing O&D market. Out of all the legacies, (AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, US), UA had/has the best hubs, I think AA would be a close second.
There's nothing like the smell of Jet-A in the morning. It smells like... VICTORY!!!
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 134, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7158 times:
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 128): Anyways... IAH will RIGHTsize, ORD will RIGHTsize, SFO will RIGHTsize, etc... The RIGHTsizing seems harsh to Houstonians, such as myself, but we will forget about it and continue on. IAH's UA widebody future seems to look good as the 787s come on and sUA 763s get shifted over here and a hopeful 744.
this is a laugh and a half. Houstonian's are so bitter about the merger that they have no idea that IAH in fact seems to be getting upsized. For once they can fly a 757 on IAH-PIT, instead of an ERJ on CO.
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 135, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7084 times:
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 137, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6994 times:
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drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 140, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6965 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 134): For once they can fly a 757 on IAH-PIT, instead of an ERJ on CO
Amen
Thanks for the data...per seats it looks like IAH has a good chance of remaining the largest hub if we count avaiblable seats. Unless...SGR and EFD want to start scheduled service again...
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 142, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6922 times:
FlyingSicilian From Croatia, joined Mar 2009, 823 posts, RR: 0 Reply 143, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6867 times:
SGR had service to IAH in the mid 80s IIRC and before that on some intra-Texas routes. Also IIRC
Conquest airlines flew there from AUS in the early to mid 90s
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 145, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6720 times:
Quoting tpaewr (Reply 109): It was a big down grade for the pax, worst in the front-end from a int'l CO 757 to UA ghetto bird.
Nah, if you ask me it's an upgrade. The 763s have really comfortable seats and it's a widebody.
Foxhall wouldn't say whether Bush Intercontinental would remain United's largest hub moving forward, but she offered assurances that it "will always be a critically important hub to us."
"It is our largest hub today, and again, we remain committed to it," Foxhall said
boilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0 Reply 147, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6614 times:
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 114): Before the merger CO had 25 787s on order, 8 787-8s and 17 787-9s. UA will take delivery of 4 -8s this year, with 6 in the fleet by the first quarter of 2013. The other 2 will come on property sometime in the second half of 2013, and 787-9 deliveries will hopefully start in 2014.
Sorry, miscounted the -8s & -9s. But still the statement stands; most of the -8s are already spoken for. There's just not a lot of them to go around. Between AMS, NRT and LOS, that's 6 birds spoken for and only 8 ordered.
789s in 2014 would be nice but I'm not betting on it. NZ gets theirs in mid 2014 and I'm not sure where UA is on the line after that. But I am wondering what the 789s purpose will be...is it 772 retirement? Expansion? UA says fleet size will remain stagnant so with possibly 15 new widebodies coming online by end of 2014 there will need to be retirements.
Quoting st530 (Reply 146): Foxhall wouldn't say whether Bush Intercontinental would remain United's largest hub moving forward, but she offered assurances that it "will always be a critically important hub to us."
"It is our largest hub today, and again, we remain committed to it," Foxhall said
These "biggest" questions are always so subjective. How do you count biggest hub? Number of flights? Seats? Passengers transiting through? ASM?
It'll go back and forth between ORD & IAH simply depending on how you measure it. ORD has a lot of widebodies transiting through it--three 744s, a lot of 763s and 777s, etc. IAH has a lot of flights.
At the end of the day, who cares. It's a hub. People in Houston need to get over this "who is bigger" thing...Freud would have a field day.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 148, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6621 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 145): Nah, if you ask me it's an upgrade. The 763s have really comfortable seats and it's a widebody.
Well...I prefer the 763 to the 757...but you lose out on the AVOD. Now once the 763s are refurbed...
I had the pleasure of interning under Mrs. Foxhall in the summer of 2000 at Smith St, wonderful lady - that was the airline I miss in all honesty.
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 145): With the cuts I think it might go back the forth between ORD and IAH for UA's largest hub.
Well...I always thought that the two would vasilate either way...but the available seat numbers posted earlier in the thread show IAH having about a 160,000 seat a month spread. I don't know if IAH will be cut and ORD added to that extent.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 149, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6576 times:
I dont think IAH will be cut. They are just modifying the hub, and cutting dead weight.
RDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1059 posts, RR: 0 Reply 150, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6525 times:
Quoting boilerla (Reply 147): It'll go back and forth between ORD & IAH simply depending on how you measure it. ORD has a lot of widebodies transiting through it--three 744s, a lot of 763s and 777s, etc. IAH has a lot of flights.
IAH actually has more departures, more passengers, more seats and more ASM's. It's the biggest by all 4 measures.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 151, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6525 times:
Quoting boilerla (Reply 147): At the end of the day, who cares. It's a hub. People in Houston need to get over this "who is bigger" thing...Freud would have a field day.
Honestly, that is an a.net issue that keeps coming up. The people in Houston need to...correction...United needs to convince Houstonians that the airline is not going down the toilet. Alot of people here are disenchanted with UA, not because of the HQ and 10% cut thing...its about the inconsistencies in the service. Its a stark contrast between the new United and the Continental people like to remember. Even though Continental began to slide off the hill two CEO's ago.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 152, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6574 times:
boilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0 Reply 153, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6511 times:
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 150): IAH actually has more departures, more passengers, more seats and more ASM's. It's the biggest by all 4 measures.
That's the point though, is that UA is cutting 10% across the board at IAH, but they haven't said how. If it's departures but all ERJs than IAH will remain the largest. If it's seats then definitely it will not. But like I said, it doesn't matter. At all.
Personally I detest the new UA's insistence that I transit through IAH for every west-east flight I take, and have started flying another carrier because of it. Now that more routes are showing up going through DEN, which cuts at least 2 hours off some flights, I might go back to UA.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 154, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6479 times:
United727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 379 posts, RR: 1 Reply 155, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6504 times:
Speaking of UA Widebodies and IAH, anyone one here know when UA/CO is going to upload the 7e7 into the schedule, so we can start booking a few FAM trips??
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AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 156, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6343 times:
I am wondering when the 744 will finally come to IAH.
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2166 posts, RR: 8 Reply 157, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6220 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 145):
Nah, if you ask me it's an upgrade. The 763s have really comfortable seats and it's a widebody.
Depends on what you find important. The 752 had wide flat bed seats in J, AVOD, and power at all seats. The 'ghetto bird' had more comfortable Y seats, narrow domestic F seats with 38" pitch, overhead video, no power, and is indeed a widebody.
The s-CO 752 is a really nice ride. They outfitted it quite well. On the other hand, the s-UA domestic 763 is one of the more unpleasant aircraft in the fleet. Once converted to the new 67E standard, however, it will be among the most comfortable aircraft in the UA system, IMO.
Quoting boilerla (Reply 147):
789s in 2014 would be nice but I'm not betting on it. NZ gets theirs in mid 2014 and I'm not sure where UA is on the line after that. But I am wondering what the 789s purpose will be...is it 772 retirement? Expansion? UA says fleet size will remain stagnant so with possibly 15 new widebodies coming online by end of 2014 there will need to be retirements.
UA's 787-9s are not far behind the NZ birds as CO was the NA launch customer, but I agree that the mid-2014 schedule for NZ seems aggressive. UA may be saying that fleet size will remain stagnant for now, but they have a lot of flexibility built in to grow or shrink the fleet as market conditions require. If fuel continues to rise and becomes a greater issue going forward, you will see the -9s used to replace the oldest examples of the (soon to be) 20 3-cabin 767-300ERs. If things turn around, they'll probably be used for expansion.
I don't think UA will be pulling down the 777 fleet any time in the near to intermediate term.
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 158, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6145 times:
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 150): IAH actually has more departures, more passengers, more seats and more ASM's. It's the biggest by all 4 measures.
Currently? I don't think you're correct - and I looked at a bunchanumbers
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 159, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5989 times:
Of course you do, you are an IAH cheerleader. Many of us enjoy discussing Texas airports but with facts or cogent analysis. Your one sentence responses notwithstanding, do not do that... show us the proof.
And honestly, why does it matter to you?
As a frequent business traveller I can tell you my needs, but what are yours?
Your profile says 13-15 but you say you are not a kid. Your other online profiles say 22, which is fine, but you might want to update the ol' a.net profile if you don't want people to think you are a child. Just some "free" advice..
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 161, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5910 times:
RDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1059 posts, RR: 0 Reply 162, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5779 times:
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 160): Many of us enjoy discussing Texas airports but with facts or cogent analysis. Your one sentence responses notwithstanding, do not do that... show us the proof.
I sent this to Neil in a PM, but w/e.
Since I'm not entirely sure of the sensitivity of information I'm just going to give the comparative percentages, IAH % larger than ORD in July Total:
Actual ASMs: 16.13%
Actual Departed Seats: 9.65%
Actual Departures: 1.25%
Rev Pax: 10.18%
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 163, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5760 times:
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 162): Since I'm not entirely sure of the sensitivity of information I'm just going to give the comparative percentages, IAH % larger than ORD in July Total:
Actual ASMs: 16.13%
Actual Departed Seats: 9.65%
Actual Departures: 1.25%
Rev Pax: 10.18%
Thanks...with these estimates...I'd agree with the logical assertion that the title (FWIW) of largest hub will flip back and forth seasonally after the dust settles.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 164, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5673 times:
TWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 753 posts, RR: 1 Reply 166, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5327 times:
I see some J-lines in Terminal C have 777/764/763 and E190 markers on them. And this isn't at C-14 and C-16, this was C-20, and I'm sure there are others. Does this equate to more domestic widebodies? And even a scope comprimise (ala E190)? Maybe I'm just overthinking like I always do lol.
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LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6779 posts, RR: 25 Reply 168, posted (9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4924 times:
Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 167): What other markets have as robust a local economy as Houston?
If were only talking about United hubs, DC would be next in line. Other markets that have very robust economies right now include Dallas and Boston as well as smaller cities like Austin, Oklahoma City, and San Antonio.
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tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 170, posted (9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4844 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 168): If were only talking about United hubs, DC would be next in line. Other markets that have very robust economies right now include Dallas and Boston as well as smaller cities like Austin, Oklahoma City, and San Antonio.
BOS? I'm not sure about BOS at all. They are more like NYC -- there are SOME jobs avail, but still not many. Recovery is slow.
Best economies seem to be: DCA, IAH, AUS, DFW, ATL, CLT, OKC, SAT, SFO and I hear PIT and CLE aren't as bad as some of the others.
However LAX is REAL BAD right now.
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The most obvious change I saw this summer was all the Colgan birds went away. The total departure count on a Friday in July was 732 this year, compared to 760 last year, but most of the drop was the absence of the 50 daily Embraers that used to do the short hops. The Dash 8's were quickly replaced by RJ's of various sizes.
toxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 938 posts, RR: 0 Reply 172, posted (9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4824 times:
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 126): The fact of the matter is that, after the merger, IAH became less important as an east-west connecting complex because, 1) DEN and ORD capture some major traffic flows better than IAH and 2) West Coast hubs of LAX and SFO bring nonstop service to many more markets than CO served as a standalone carrier.
For those reasons, traffic that would historically flow over IAH is transiting the system elsewhere, resulting in a bit of a mission change for the hub.
I contrast this with American and their "cornerpoints" strategy, which seemed to be all about emphasizing service to the hubs rather than redistributing it. At the moment AMR seems to be doing slightly better in overall traffic and their yields are (in their words) better than their industry peers.
When I tried to do DCA-TUS last year, I ended up having to fly Delta. UA just did not have any connections to get me there.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6779 posts, RR: 25 Reply 174, posted (9 months 1 week ago) and read 4792 times:
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 170): Best economies seem to be: DCA, IAH, AUS, DFW, ATL, CLT, OKC, SAT, SFO and I hear PIT and CLE aren't as bad as some of the others.
I would take Atlanta off that list. They were hit much harder by the recession and still havent recovered. San Francisco and the Bay Area were hit hard, but are bouncing back quicker than expected.
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FlyingSicilian From Croatia, joined Mar 2009, 823 posts, RR: 0 Reply 176, posted (9 months ago) and read 4399 times:
There is an article from USAToday posted via HoustonSpotters that quotes a United spokesman as saying
Houston-Lagos will be the first int'l route for the 787 after the domestic proving runs.
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2199 posts, RR: 8 Reply 178, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4269 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 177): Just as many of us have suspected. Looks like a few of the 787s will probably rotate on a LOS-IAH-DEN-NRT routing.
Routing would be something like this:
Monday: IAH 0900 DEN 1030-1155 NRT (Tuesday)1500-1640 DEN (Tuesday) 1230-1415 IAH 1740-1935 LOS (Wednesday) 1330-2250 IAH (Thursday) 0525
I'm pretty sure that's three units with the only significant ground time at LOS 9:20. Maybe the IAH-LOS could run later for a MX check.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 179, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4163 times:
I wonder when more IAH routes like IAH-AMS will be announced.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1957 posts, RR: 1 Reply 180, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4129 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 177): Just as many of us have suspected. Looks like a few of the 787s will probably rotate on a LOS-IAH-DEN-NRT routing.
Does this somehow mean that DEN will get a 1-stop into Africa?
United has yet to announce an official first flight for the Dreamliner, but Dave Hilfman – United's senior vice president of sales – told Today in the Sky earlier this month that the airline will ease the jet into service on domestic routes before transitioning to long-haul service. After that, it will fly between Houston and Lagos, a route on which it will eventually replace United's 777 aircraft. And, in March, United will open its first new route with the 787: daily non-stop service between Tokyo and Denver.
um, this says DEN-NRT is the first international route.
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 182, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4065 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 181): um, this says DEN-NRT is the first international route.
Read the article again, it says DEN-NRT is the first NEW route, IAH-LOS is an already existing route that will get the 787 first.
UnitedTristar From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1240 posts, RR: 4 Reply 184, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3947 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 68): GRU is 762... hard to think will get a 772. Expected to become 764 but is back to 762. Not that strong performer since it lost the tag to GIG (and at that time GIG represented more than 50% of total seats, 75% of business).
once the UA operation in GRU is merged, the UA 777 tag from GRU to GIG will help the IAH to GRU trip I am sure
based on the IAH to LOS/DEN and DEN to NRT and LAX to X (as mentioned above), I seriously doubt that IAH AMS will be a 787 as they wont have enough, I think that was some ones guess many moons ago when IAH LOS was announced and it just stuck
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 156): I am wondering when the 744 will finally come to IAH.
probably not, the demand on the Asia trips out of other hubs make them more pressing to be on a 744 than anything from IAH (with the exception of GIG, but as stated above, once the two operations are together, the GRU trip will help with the overflow)
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 179): I wonder when more IAH routes like IAH-AMS will be announced.
not going to happen, I think it will stay IAH to LOS/DEN
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UnitedTristar From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1240 posts, RR: 4 Reply 185, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3924 times:
Quoting point2point (Reply 180): Does this somehow mean that DEN will get a 1-stop into Africa?
either that or IAH will get a second NRT trip via "Direct - One Stop" service.
-m
[Edited 2012-08-21 17:31:03]
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AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 187, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3855 times:
Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 184): not going to happen, I think it will stay IAH to LOS/DEN
-m
UA is getting 5 787s this year, 1 in late September, and 5 later on this year, so I think AMS can still happen.
aznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3541 posts, RR: 5 Reply 189, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3814 times:
Quoting point2point (Reply 180): Does this somehow mean that DEN will get a 1-stop into Africa?
DEN already has a 1-stop into Africa wither with UA or DL, just not same flight number nor same plane.
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drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 193, posted (8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3234 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 191):
wow, no one has posted the first routes to be loaded this weekend for the 787?! (ps - its not LOS)
Hmm...I think I have some guesses, lol. There are some rumblings on another forum about some of the 787 routes to be loaded this weekend...
AMS/LOS/PVG/NRT/LHR...I am in the neighborhood?
AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1831 posts, RR: 0 Reply 195, posted (8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 189): DEN already has a 1-stop into Africa wither with UA or DL, just not same flight number nor same plane.
I have noticed on UA that 1 stop international flights with the same number and even the same aircraft type rarely, if ever, use the same aircraft. The 3-class 772s from LAX and SFO to IAD continue on to Europe with the same flight number and 3-class 772 configuration, although it may not be exactly the same layout, but they almost always switch to a different aircraft. Perhaps it is because they want to clear everyone out of the aircraft and because it takes quite a while to clean and load catering and cargo for an international flight.
UA767400 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 202, posted (8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3137 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 183): well, open for interpretation or bad writing format.
Bad writing...USA Today in the Sky is good, but the writing was not great in the last paragraph. Everybody knew (before your hint) that we were going to see the 787 fly on other international routes before DEN-NRT started.
I cannot wait to do a domestic route on the 787 to help break it in!
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 204, posted (8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3133 times:
Well, here is what was just posted...
"UNITED has outlined initial Boeing 787 operations, including following routes.
Domestic (Approximate timeframe)
late-October 2012: Between Houston and UA hubs
Feb 2013: Houston – Los Angeles
Apr 2013: Houston – Denver
International (Approximate timeframe)
Houston – Amsterdam 04DEC12 – 29MAR13
Los Angeles – Tokyo Narita eff 03JAN13
Houston – Lagos eff 07JAN13
Houston – London Heathrow 04FEB13 – 29MAR13 (UA001/002, additional flight)
Los Angeles – Shanghai Pu Dong eff 30MAR13
Denver – Tokyo Narita eff 31MAR13 (Previously reported)
4 Boeing 787s anticipated by Dec 2012, 5 in Feb 2013, 6 in Mar 2013.
Reservation to open as early as the weekend of 25AUG12, and this page will be updated once additional information is available. Note planned operational routes and effective dates are subject to pending Boeing 787 delivery, therefore further changes are possible."
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 216, posted (8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 213): The 762s capacity is already being replaced by the domestic 763 conversions, this is all new capacity.
Speaking of, saw one of the 76Ws at SFO this Monday. Not sure where it goes from there, but it looked real sharp - sharpest a UA 76 has looked in years.
CONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 217, posted (8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3047 times:
Quoting gigneil (Reply 216): Speaking of, saw one of the 76Ws at SFO this Monday. Not sure where it goes from there, but it looked real sharp - sharpest a UA 76 has looked in years.
NS
Right now it's currently flying between SFO - ORD. Will begin flying ORD - CDG starting tomorrow.
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CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2199 posts, RR: 8 Reply 218, posted (8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2970 times:
Obviously these will have domestic segments weaved in, especially before January 2013
Looking at the routings I see:
According to above posts, by December should be 4 units on the property, some on domestic proving runs, probably IAH-LAX and IAH-MCO
1. 12/4/12) IAH 1535 AMS 0820-1010 IAH 1350 (1 unit can turn, but can't do it every day w/o maintenance)
2. 1/3/13) LAX 1315 NRT 1625-1730 LAX 1133 (Too tight to run as one aircraft, retime NRT turn - must have a breakout with a IAH-LAX roundtrip.)
3 & 4. 1/7/13) 5 days IAH 1905 LOS 1330-2250 IAH 0525 (TAKES TWO AIRCRAFT - maintenance slack and swap out with AMS/LHR aircraft probable)
NOTE: In January it would look like all four units would be assigned for AMS/NRT/LOS with IAH being the main base
By February should be 5 units on the property - IAH-LHR added - all five needed
5. 2/??/13) IAH 1545 LHR 0655-0930 IAH 1330 (1 unit can turn every day, but can't do it every day w/o maintenance) I don't see this as an extra trip, rather a replacement for one of two 772s - if new, where does the slot come from?
By March should be 6 units on the property - LAX-PVG added all six needed and it will be tight
6. 3/30/13) LAX 1320 PVG 1745-2010 LAX 1710 ( Will probably be retimed to cut turn in PVG, but can't be done with a single unit - must take the LOS-IAH aircraft to LAX to cover PVG (would be swap capability with NRT aircraft)
Need more aircraft to run DEN-NRT from my calculations
7. 3/31/13) DEN 1155 NRT 1500-1640 DEN 1230 (May come from IAH or swap out in NRT)
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 219, posted (8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2896 times:
If UA001/002 is the flight number assigned to the extra IAH-LHR flight...does that indicate that the long running IAH-HNL 001 going pmUA metal after all? Or just swapping flight #s? Also, as was mentioned - where does the extra slot come from?
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 221, posted (8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 220):
yes, its already loaded as UA 777 for IAH-HNL
Really? When does that flight start? Is there another hub tag or is HNL the turn point? Is it an additional LHR flight? Where is the 3rd slot coming from? SO many questions lol
CONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 222, posted (8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 221): Really? When does that flight start? Is there another hub tag or is HNL the turn point? Is it an additional LHR flight? Where is the 3rd slot coming from? SO many questions lol
UA1/UA2 currently the IAH - HNL - IAH trip, will become an IAH - LHR - IAH trip, and UA218/UA219 will be the new flight #s for IAH - HNL - IAH.
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FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 623 posts, RR: 2 Reply 225, posted (8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2758 times:
Interesting. Looks like the IAH-LHR and IAH-AMS flights are just temporary this Spring, while waiting for enough aircraft to fly the longer routes. So in the summer, we'll have:
LAX-NRT
LAX-PVG
DEN-NRT
IAH-LOS
And presumably IAH-LAX and/or IAH-DEN to rotate aircraft.
I think those routes make a lot sense, although I certainly wasn't expecting to see the 787s in LAX at this point. However, both LAX-NRT and LAX-PVG are fiercely competitive routes that could probably use the boost in product along with the slightly reduced capacity.
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