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PDX In Talks To Start Service To Mexico/S. Florida  
User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8401 times:

PDX in talks with airlines for service to MEX, SJD. Also in talks with airlines to start PDX-S. Florida.

Wouldn't be surprised to see PDX-MCO return. Could AA start PDX-MIA?

As for Mexico I could see Aeromexico starting PDX service to MEX and maybe Alaska restarting PDX-SJD.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...es_coul.html#incart_river_business

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User currently offlinealexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

No no and no,.........If anyone did this, it would be AS. Aeromexico has no appeal in PDX. AS is the boss!


You mad Bro???
User currently offlinedtwpilot225 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8304 times:

I predict another couple of new routes for Spirit. Definitely the PDX SJD route. I don't know if the 319 could do FLL-PDX, they might have to wait until the neo comes for that.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15484 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8300 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Thread starter):
Could AA start PDX-MIA?

I'd be more inclined to think JetBlue flying to FLL.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7006 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8258 times:

I'm thinking NK to FLL. Would love to see AA on PDX-MIA but I don't see that for a while. NK or AS to FLL.


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7913 times:

First of all, can someone please explain about the "Virgin America hanger" at PDX that is pictured and mentioned in the article? I certainly hadn't heard anything about VX having a hanger at this airport. So why then is PDX the 18th city to see Virgin service instead of one of the first? (To the best of my knowledge, Virgin's only major maintenance base is at SFO.)

The article includes a lot of stuff said by VX's Cush at an interview in Portland (I assume.) Just for the record, missing is absolutely anything positive involving his airline's future plans for PDX. (Because I'm sure there are none.) His comments were just general "growth" filler for the article.

In other words, this is just another of the many articles discussed lately on A.net where a city newspaper reports that "talks are underway", "the airport is meeting with ... to discuss new flights", "local delegates are traveling to ... to meet with airline route planners about new service from our city...", "our airport managers are seeking flights to ...", etc. (The most recent was an article from Houston -- just a week or two ago.)

The article is a Saturday space-filler with no substance whatever. Of course the PDX route planners (or managers) "hope to reinstate nonstop service to Mexico... We are also evaluating the business case for MCO and ... possibly FLL." (Quoted from a "spokesman" for the Port of Portland.) I'm sure they've been after AS ever since MCO was dropped about re-starting that route, as well as other nonstops. And guess what? If the routes were viable and AS thought they would be profitable, I'm sure the routes would be flown.

If Portland is planning on paying subsidies to cx to start some of these routes, then I guess anything is possible. But on its own, Mexico is still hurting from reduced tourism and business travel from the U.S. and I just don't see nonstops from PDX happening anytime soon. I would love to see some traffic figures of the local markets between PDX and Mexico.

As far as the domestic markets mentioned, the first thing I would check is the DOT traffic reports for those markets. If the numbers are low, it's unlikely that any carrier would be interested in flying them unless some sort of subsidies or guarantees are in place. And again, with a carrier in town that operates a hub there, it would most likely be that carrier that could make marginal routes successful. B6 to FLL? Ain't gonna happen. Transcons from Spirit? I really doubt that will happen anytime soon. (How high on NK's list of 300 potential city-pairs do you suppose PDX-FLL is?)

It's fine to dream and talk about future new service from PDX but the article offered nothing concrete except one or two lines of "hope" and "evaluation" of a couple of destinations that are obviously on PDX's "wish-list".

bb


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2885 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Thread starter):
PDX in talks with airlines for service to MEX, SJD. Also in talks with airlines to start PDX-S. Florida.

Wouldn't be surprised to see PDX-MCO return. Could AA start PDX-MIA?

As for Mexico I could see Aeromexico starting PDX service to MEX and maybe Alaska restarting PDX-SJD

PDX I'm sure is looking for new services and carriers, as was said above, if something happens n/s to SJD it will be AS, also FLL or MCO. I doubt NK is going to expand PDX to FLL or SJD as those are long routes for an unproven market. PDX is NK's way of seeing how far they can get into the Northwest before AS shoots a bunch of buckshot across their bow.

AA never has, and IMO, never will operate a flight n/s to MIA from PDX, they don't even offer an ORD n/s from PDX, I doubt PDX-MIA is on AA's radar.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
If the routes were viable and AS thought they would be profitable, I'm sure the routes would be flown

This part I agree with, AS is the dog that will run the race if it's ever started, On a side note, OUCH, your crushing our PDX dreams.  



Rule number One, NEVER underestimate the other guys greed
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7847 times:

No hangar is mentioned in the article. The picture is facing toward Marine Drive which means the hangar shown is over in the GA area or maybe down by UA cargo.

User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7667 times:

These sound like potential NK routes to me.

User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7646 times:

That picture was taken at the older Flightcraft hangar. I can see a need for nonstop service to Mexico. On our 7pm SFO flight. We have been having large groups of GDL and MEX passengers every night this summer.

User currently offlineHiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 829 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

This arlicle is taken from the dreams of PDX airport management. There's a reason no one flies to South Florida or Mexico non-stop....like SANFan said you have to run the numbers. If there aren't enough people to justify a route then no one will touch it

AS tried MCO, SJD and PVR...not enough traffic. I could see these all returning, maybe even next year, but 3-4 flights a week at most. Maybe the Portland metropolitan area has grown enough since AS tried these routes prior to the recession and there would now be enough traffic....at the time there wasn't and they were axed.


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7453 times:
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I would be inclined to agree as well that NK would be the best candidate for MCO and/or FLL if or when it happens. Spirit would need to be priced much lower than the many connections available because as stated above there isn't a lot of traffic to begin with.


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16944 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7424 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 11):

I would be inclined to agree as well that NK would be the best candidate for MCO and/or FLL if or when it happens. Spirit would need to be priced much lower than the many connections available because as stated above there isn't a lot of traffic to begin with.

NK hasn't launched anything that long in ages. I don't think NK has any interest in transcons, and it certainly doesn't bother with connections, even in FLL

Quoting Hiflyeras (Reply 10):
This arlicle is taken from the dreams of PDX airport management. There's a reason no one flies to South Florida or Mexico non-stop....like SANFan said you have to run the numbers. If there aren't enough people to justify a route then no one will touch it

I think the volume is there but the fares are obscene.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

Quoting Hiflyeras (Reply 10):
like SANFan said you have to run the numbers.

Q4, 2011 FAA PDEW numbers are:

PDX-MCO... 291
PDX-Miami/Fort Lauderdale area...233

Maybe? Although seems to be very, very long, and pretty thin......

 


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 2):
I don't know if the 319 could do FLL-PDX,

The a319could definitely do FLL-PDX. The a319 engine with the lowest maximum range is the International Aero Engines V2524-A5. This still gives it 3,131 miles. As per GCM, FLL-PDX is only 2694mi.



Quoting Hiflyeras (Reply 10):
I could see these all returning, maybe even next year, but 3-4 flights a week at most

Well that shouldn't be too hard for NK, given their latest strategy of 3-4flights a week, even on strong routes.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

Quoting alexinwa (Reply 1):
If anyone did this, it would be AS. Aeromexico has no appeal in PDX. AS is the boss!

Interesting then that AS has never considered flying PDX-MEX nonstop.

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 9):
I can see a need for nonstop service to Mexico. On our 7pm SFO flight. We have been having large groups of GDL and MEX passengers every night this summer.

MX used to serve PDX from both GDL and MEX... or was it MEX-GDL-PDX? It'd be interesting if AM or Volaris takes any interest in PDX.

Quoting Hiflyeras (Reply 10):
If there aren't enough people to justify a route then no one will touch it

So, are there or are there not enough people between PDX and GDL/MEX? I really can't recall if MX quit way before its demise (in which case loads and/or yields were the culprit) or shortly before suspending ops.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3236 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
First of all, can someone please explain about the "Virgin America hanger" at PDX that is pictured and mentioned in the article? I certainly hadn't heard anything about VX having a hanger at this airport. So why then is PDX the 18th city to see Virgin service instead of one of the first? (To the best of my knowledge, Virgin's only major maintenance base is at SFO.)

I know they also have their new deliveries sent to MIA for pre-acceptance work.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
As far as the domestic markets mentioned, the first thing I would check is the DOT traffic reports for those markets. If the numbers are low, it's unlikely that any carrier would be interested in flying them unless some sort of subsidies or guarantees are in place. And again, with a carrier in town that operates a hub there, it would most likely be that carrier that could make marginal routes successful. B6 to FLL? Ain't gonna happen. Transcons from Spirit? I really doubt that will happen anytime soon. (How high on NK's list of 300 potential city-pairs do you suppose PDX-FLL is?)

With the right incentives, an airline could be motivated to start PDX-FLL, possibly seasonally. If anything, they can just cut their losses and drop the route, something NK has never been afraid to do.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
NK hasn't launched anything that long in ages. I don't think NK has any interest in transcons, and it certainly doesn't bother with connections, even in FLL

FLL is NK's largest connecting hub. The morning and evening banks are specifically tailored to allow for connections between the United States and the Caribbean/Latin America and vice-versa. You're correct that NK isn't pursuing transcon flights at the moment, but they've always tried to maximize connection opportunities.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):
Well that shouldn't be too hard for NK, given their latest strategy of 3-4flights a week, even on strong routes.

"Strong routes" get 3-4 flights a day. 3-4 flights a week sounds about right for a new, unproven market, especially considering their limited fleet size. They're still wet leasing an Xtra Airways 737-400 to fly FLL-LGA and back due to an equipment shortage. Besides, NK's target audience doesn't care about frequency or schedule, but price.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16944 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7200 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 16):
FLL is NK's largest connecting hub. The morning and evening banks are specifically tailored to allow for connections between the United States and the Caribbean/Latin America and vice-versa. You're correct that NK isn't pursuing transcon flights at the moment, but they've always tried to maximize connection opportunities.

They've said they're 90% local, so while they may be timed to connect, they're not driving any volume



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7173 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
It'd be interesting if AM or Volaris takes any interest in PDX.

I'd bet on Volaris doing PDX before I would AM.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 16):
"Strong routes" get 3-4 flights a day.

I didn't mean Strong just to NK. Take DFW-PHL. They have announced the startof it a 3x weekly. That could definitely be a daily flight at the VERY LEAST. The only very strong routes I see on their schedule with what I believe is maximum frequencies is FLL-LGA.


User currently offlineKWBL From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

I've never undeerstood the statement "If the route was viable, then someone would already be flying it". If that were the case, then there would be no more new routes to fly.

I think the PDX-Florida routes could work, given the daily passenger loads but there would probably need to be some connectivity on at least one end of the flight. PDX to MCO could be done by AS (PDX feed) or B6 (MCO feed). I know AS did this a few years ago but it went away due to a number of factors, not the least of which was a horrible economy and really expensvive fuel (I think it left in 2008). Within the next year or two, maybe there will be enough rebound to reinstate. I think AA PDX-MIA would be good but would need some help on connections to S. America. I just don't think AA has any realy interest in the PDX market (they have rarely added flights, but have cut almost everything they gained through the mergers of AirCal, RenoAir, and TWA).

Mexico is a large market from Oregon - both leisure and business. I just don't know that any one destination is popular enough to warrant a nonstop flight


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7129 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 13):
Q4, 2011 FAA PDEW numbers are:
PDX-MCO... 291
PDX-Miami/Fort Lauderdale area...233

As in the 'AZA' thread, I'm not sure what kind of "FAA" numbers you are finding point', but the DOT figures (found here):
http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-5...e_files/consumerairfarereport.htm?
show TOTAL daily traffic which has to be cut in half to produce approximate PDEW numbers.

PDX-MCO averaged, for all 4 quarters of 2011, a PDEW of ~150 O&D. That is probably not going to secure a nonstop -- certainly not daily anyway -- and is probably why AS isn't flying the low-yielding route anymore. No matter how much the Port of Portland would like to see it. (I didn't run the correct S Florida numbers but from your quoted figure, it's less than MCO so again, probably is not likely anytime real soon.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 6):
On a side note, OUCH, your crushing our PDX dreams.

Hey, hey, '380, I said it's great to dream and discuss -- lordy knows I do plenty of that myself -- but some facts and figures help make it realistic. (And a fluff piece like the article quoted means nothing at all.) That's really all I'm saying.

bb


User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 13):
Quoting Hiflyeras (Reply 10):
like SANFan said you have to run the numbers.

Q4, 2011 FAA PDEW numbers are:

PDX-MCO... 291
PDX-Miami/Fort Lauderdale area...233

Maybe? Although seems to be very, very long, and pretty thin......

Boston is a little bigger than both MCO-PDX and MIA/FLL-PDX and it is able to maintain year round service on AS (less than daily off season) and B6.

Are there any important business ties between Portland and Florida? There are some good ties between Boston and Portland.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
No hangar is mentioned in the article.

Excuse me 'Ramper. Here's the caption of the picture in the article (taken inside the hangar):

Quote:
Virgin America airlines celebrated its expansion to Portland International Airport in June with the first flight arrival and a party for the Portland business community at the Virgin America hangar. Virgin America CEO David Cush, Portland Mayor Sam Adams and actor Kyle MacLachlan (Portlandia's mayor) spoke after the first flight arrived.

So the article is wrong -- there is no Virgin America hangar?

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 21):
Boston is a little bigger than both MCO-PDX and MIA/FLL-PDX and it is able to maintain year round service on AS (less than daily off season) and B6

Actually, PDX-BOS had a 3Q11 PDEW of ~274, as opposed to PDX-MCO's PDEW of ~141 for the same quarter. That's why BOS sees 2 cx operating 1 flight each... and PDX-MCO sees no service. (That of course is not the only reason but is a good part of why; BOS is also, I assume, a much better yielding -- more business-oriented -- market than Orlando or S Florida.)

Quoting KWBL (Reply 19):
I've never undeerstood the statement "If the route was viable, then someone would already be flying it". If that were the case, then there would be no more new routes to fly.

No, because in 2 years the route COULD be viable and then the airlines, seeing profitability, might fly it. Right now, it's not a route that the airlines feel would make any money. Economies change, fuel prices change, traffic dynamics change, the airlines' strategies change...

bb


User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

I can see WN adding FL service PDX -SJD and PDX-MEX.
This would go along great with the rumor of WN adding FL STL-MEX and CUN service.
I can see a 2 plane 2day route like
Orig ATL-MDW-CUN- STL(overnight service)MEX(early am flight)-PDX-SJD-SNA-LAS-(red eye)ATL.
Orig ATL-LAS-SNA-SJD-PDX-(red eye)MEX-STL-CUN-MDW-ATL.
Any thoughts? Wnfg 



my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 23):
Any thoughts?

I sure wouldn't bet any money on it...  
Quoting KWBL (Reply 19):
Mexico is a large market from Oregon - both leisure and business.

Figures please. (And please provide a source as I'd love to know where you get your stats for how large a market Oregon-Mexico is.)
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 16):
With the right incentives, an airline could be motivated to start PDX-FLL, possibly seasonally

I mentioned subsidies and guarantees in at least one of my posts in this thread and that certainly changes the playing field. The Portland area has offered these in the past and there's no saying that they won't do it more. As far as the "usual" incentives most airports are allowed to, and do, offer the airlines for new routes, I don't see that swaying a carrier to start a marginal route from PDX as opposed to any other city in a similar situation.

bb


25 KWBL : I guess I don't have actual links to international destinations. When Mexicana was here, flying ONLY to MEX and or GDL (their schedules changed freque
26 lhpdx : SANfan..........Why are you hating on Portland big time? I commend the Port of Portland for trying to attract new service out of PDX.........Are you s
27 Post contains images SANFan : I don't how else I can say it, lh', since I've already said it twice on this thread. This thread is fine, opinions and dreams are what A.net is all a
28 HPRamper : Ah. I looked only in the body of the article. Nope. They may have used that hangar for the day but they sure don't have any kind of lease or anything
29 MaverickM11 : AA and others will sell you a roundtrip ticket PDXMEX for $328 plus taxes. That's $164 each way, spread over 2 segments--a 6.4 cent yield. By contras
30 Post contains images SANFan : Thanks, 'Ramper. I kind of suspected the article was wrong about the hangar. BTW, I wanted to mention something about Spirit and the suggestions of n
31 tomassjc : I don't have figures, I could probably dig some up. But I do know that when I was working in Portland in the mid 2000s, SJD was the number 1 internat
32 RWA380 : I am sure they have considered it, if they did it would likely be from SEA instead, the fact they don't shows that the market is really not there for
33 Post contains images point2point : My brain was still in that amuck state.........
34 ramprat74 : I read that same article in the Sunday Oregonian. It's just bad journalism from the Oregonian as usual. I stopped reading that dead fish rapper over t
35 HPRamper : The Columbian is a better paper, honestly.
36 lhpdx : Alright...... Alright....Maybe I was a little brass and way to protective of our little airport that could.(PDX)...Sanfran you personally should under
37 Post contains images chrisair : There is no VX hangar. The hangar in the photo is next to the Boeing paint hangar. Years ago, Skywest did maintenance back there, along with ATI/BAX
38 Post contains images SANFan : Guilty as charged! Correct on all counts. And thanx to you both. I'll salute all of you local A.netters next time I head across the rivers as I pass
39 RWA380 : How could you not be PDX is the best airport out there, I really challenge you to find an airport that is more user friendly than PDX. I enjoy depart
40 LV : Somehow I see the "talks" going like this: PDX: "Please start flights to FLL or SJD, please????" AS/NK: "Have you seen the price of fuel lately? No wa
41 RWA380 : And dang if those bacon/maple bars aren't extremely good, Another reason I love my hometown, Portland Oregon... Voodoo donuts. I live less than a mil
42 Post contains images ramprat74 : Like I mentioned up top. That picture was taken in the old Flightcraft hangar. You can see Marine Drive in the background. The two AMC hangars are a l
43 HPRamper : No, no...they are *bacon-topped* maple bars! mmmm.
44 RWA380 : Your right, I remember being impressed that the two tastes together were way better than good. We do enjoy the most incredible spot in the country to
45 RWA380 : If AS were going to add another east Coast destination I'd expect EWR first vs FLL. SJD could work on a less than weekly basis seasonally. Cabo reall
46 HiFlyerAS : Not true....daily direct service to SJD is available on AS thru SFO. As far as I can tell this flight in in the schedule throughout the upcoming wint
47 Post contains images Tomassjc : Sorry HiFlyer, you're so right! For some reason it shows broken up PDX-SFO and then SFO-SJD in my availability display, but it's flight 234 all the w
48 BigGSFO : I can see AS adding EWR and possibly more ORD and perhaps DFW out of PDX. Not South Florida though. Maybe a post bankruptcy AA will be more aggressive
49 RWA380 : Your insight sounds right to me, couldn't argue with what you said..............
50 EddieDude : I beg to differ. Most resort areas and a good number of major cities are perfectly safe.
51 MaverickM11 : It is so infuriating to hear this Mexico-is-unsafe meme over and over, when Chicago might be one of the most violent cities on the planet, and people
52 EddieDude : Agree. Media has done a lot of harm to Mexico, who counts tourism as the third largest source of income. So much hype and disinformation... gore is w
53 RWA380 : Who are you infuriated with the media that conveys the dismal view of Mexico, or the people who watch the news? If you are told one thing for a while
54 EddieDude : "More American feel" is what you probably mean. Last time I checked, Mexico was a western country. Perhaps you have not been to all the Mexican citie
55 HiFlyerAS : I think the best you'll see is same-plane, direct service until Mexico's reputation is restored as a safe vacation destination.
56 RWA380 : Good idea this is the topic at hand, I feel from my exp0erience as a travel agent in the Portland area for decades, as well as being an Oregonian and
57 MaverickM11 : There are so many reasons. The media certainly doesn't bother to set anything into context but I don't expect them to do so. The viewers don't bother
58 HPRamper : I think that's a bit of exaggeration. The PDX market was growing in leaps and bounds before the recent recession and housing bust. Faster than Seattl
59 MaverickM11 : The economy perhaps, but not the capacity. In fact both have pretty much flatlined.
60 AlnessW : Why? I agree, NK does seem to be happy here. I think with the kind of travelers PDX sees, NK will continue to expand. (like they did already with DFW
61 RWA380 : The routing was MEX-GDL-PDX v.v. operated with A319 or A320 aircraft IIRC. Back in the day, MX only flew from SEA daily, 3x weekly SEA-MZT-MEX, 4x we
62 cschleic : MX did discontinue service well before their demise....several years prior. There is a certain amount of local demand for service to Mexico due to a
63 AlnessW : Thanks for clarifying. Yes, this has also been a great year for AS, no doubt. Have fun enjoying your 28" seat pitch, $40 carry-on bag, and $5 boardin
64 HiFlyerAS : Maybe if you're under 5'6" that'd work but for anyone else it sounds like torture.
65 RWA380 : Thanks! I do hope we have fun, but I always try to be thankful for what life provides for me, instead of whining about what it doesn't.
66 Post contains images ANA787 :
67 Post contains images AlnessW : I was being sarcastic, and tell me one thing that NK provides to you (besides transportation) that doesn't come with an extra fee.
68 RWA380 : I know, the transportation is all I need from NK.
69 Post contains images AlnessW : Well that's good, glad their business model works for you. To each their own...
70 RWA380 : Not that I need to explain myself, but when I can buy 2 tickets to Dallas for $116.00 and go for 48 hours to see friends and enjoy some good BBQ, any
71 AlnessW : Exactly. NK works for you, which is great! AA is far superior to NK.
72 Post contains images RWA380 : There are not too many things that frustrate me as much as broad reaching statements like this, AA was never a consideration, because I have flown th
73 AlnessW : My posts about NK may be negative, and that's because I don't agree with their business model. However, I have no intentions of being sarcastic. Like
74 beechtobus : "AA is far superior to NK" At what? Losing money and going bankrupt? If you think years of gross mismanagement causing your company to require conces
75 RWA380 : Your response to me about being sarcastic is below. Look we obviously agree on many things, as I can see in the past posts we have left, I got frustr
76 Post contains images AlnessW : You have now proven my inability to read. I agree, I don't think we'll ever have the same views about NK.
77 Post contains images RWA380 : Not anything I'll jump on either way, have you ever flown with NK? Honestly, I have heard negative comments way more than positive, but mostly by peo
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