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EasyJet Changes To Allocated Seating  
User currently offlineeljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11957 times:

The Sunday Times today reported that U2 will offer allocated seats on all flights:

Quote:
EASYJET GETS EASIER

The unseemly race for seats on Easyjet flights is set to be a thing of the past. From the autumn, all the airline's flights will have allocated seating. The system has been tested on 5% of the network since March. "Passengers hated the scramble for seats," said the airline, "but the key was to assess the effect of allocation on turnaround times. So far, we've found it makes no difference." Specific seats can be selected from £3 upwards during the booking process, or a seat will be assigned for free. The airline admits that the move will reduce the demand for its Speedy Boarding service.

About time too IMHO. (Thems pesky 'Speedy Boarders'!!!)   

[Edited 2012-08-05 08:50:16]

[Edited 2012-08-05 08:50:45]

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User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2175 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11865 times:

Interesting choice...there will undoubtedly be an impact on turnaround times though when the 95% of airports that havent been tested introduce the system and make mistakes.

User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11854 times:

Thank goodness! I love easyjet - every time I've flown the service has been good, flights cheap and (weather issues aside), on time. Now the scramble for seats will be over, the boarding process will also be much more civilised!

User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3245 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11762 times:

So will you be able to choose your (standard) seat for free at OLCI at T-60 days? Or will it be one of those horible systems that assigns you a seat if you don't want to pay for a specific one? I guess people checking in at the airport will be left with middle seats.... I always liked the U2 fre seating system as I nearly always managed to get a window exit seat without paying for speedy boarding.


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11748 times:

Quoting eljonno (Thread starter):
The Sunday Times today reported that U2 will offer allocated seats on all flights:

I wonder if this article is accurate ...

Another news source (dated July 31), quotes U2's CEO as saying "until I get to the end of August, I will not really want to commit on whether this is going to go ahead or not."


http://www.abtn.co.uk/news/3117659-e...-autumn-decision-allocated-seating

So who is correct ?


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11743 times:

The question is if seats can selected when checking-in online or if those who refuse to pay for a reservation in the booking process will be allocated seats at random. If so, free seating certainly is the better option as it gives you a choice when entering the plane whereas allocated seating forces you to pay for a seat reservation when booking to avoid a middle seat or not being seated together when not travelling alone.

User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11325 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
will it be one of those horible systems that assigns you a seat if you don't want to pay for a specific one?

Did you read the article above ?
"Specific seats can be selected from £3 upwards during the booking process, or a seat will be assigned for free"


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11284 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
I always liked the U2 fre seating system as I nearly always managed to get a window exit seat without paying for speedy boarding.

Just another monetizing of an opportunity. If you want a window exit seat, or sit next to a specific person, U2 is saying "pay for it". Isn't that the beauty of complete unbundling of airline services so worshiped about LCCs on this site?



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11261 times:

Great, not... Boarding will become chaos and take forever. What i like about free seating is that everybody sits down as soon as possible, no waiting in the aisles for others.

User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

Cheaper than choosing a seat on unbundled BA

User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11148 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
I guess people checking in at the airport will be left with middle seats.... I always liked the U2 fre seating system as I nearly always managed to get a window exit seat without paying for speedy boarding.

This is my concern. I have taken 615 flights on EZY (two more coming up this week), all on free boarding, I never pay for speedy boarding and the number of times I have ended up in the middle seat is an extremely small percentage (2%-4% of the total). If that percentage increases, then I will be negatively affected by this "customer improvement" (I'm not going to pay the £3).

There is also the important subtlety that with free boarding one can make sure you sit away from the screaming children (I moved seat to do exactly that when I boarded at LTN last week, once I saw where the badly behaving child from the departure lounge was going to be sat!).

I've never had a problem with EZY's free boarding process.



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11035 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 8):
Great, not... Boarding will become chaos and take forever. What i like about free seating is that everybody sits down as soon as possible, no waiting in the aisles for others

The last time I was on easyjet boarding was a mess on both legs as everyone was in groups and trying to get seats together, whilst the couples were blocking the middle seats. Crews had to basically tell people to sit down wherever they could because we needed to go, so in this case allocated seating might work, maybe its just the FCO route!


User currently offlineeljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11018 times:

I think £3 per sector to have the option of choosing where you sit, is fairly reasonable actually. Comparitively, Flybe is £6.50 per seat, per sector.

I would not pay to sit in a specific seat if I was travelling on my own; if I was travelling with my girlfriend I would definitley want to ensure that we can sit with each other though, if possible. Of course, free would be better...


User currently offlineeljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11008 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 4):
I wonder if this article is accurate ...

Another news source (dated July 31), quotes U2's CEO as saying "until I get to the end of August, I will not really want to commit on whether this is going to go ahead or not."

I must admit, it is a bit strange that there is no press release from U2 about it yet (on the website). Also, the lack of a specific date for when it starts, made me wonder...


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2286 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10895 times:

Ah easyjet making something easier! Good on you, easy! This reminds me a lot of Blue Air's system actually.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 8):

Great, not... Boarding will become chaos and take forever. What i like about free seating is that everybody sits down as soon as possible, no waiting in the aisles for others.

You can always take regional trains to your destination, then. Or ferries. They will still offer free seating AFAIK. No need to worry about hard things like finding your seat or knowing ahead of time where you'll sit.


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10781 times:
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Does anyone know if in their surveys they asked if people would actually pay to select a seat? Maybe people said yes hence why they are asking for £3.

User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10497 times:

This sucks, just another step towards becoming an ordinary legacy airline. I prefer allocated seats, but ONLY when I can choose my own seat without paying for it (not talking about front row and exit seats, just a normal window seat), otherwise I prefer free seating.


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User currently offlineDanTaylor2006 From UK - England, joined Feb 2006, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10399 times:

Brilliant, can't wait for them to introduce it! Never been a fan of the loco scrum at all.

I don't think it'll be in before my flights in September, which is a shame as I pretty much need to bag an extra legroom seat after my last flight with easyJet in their normal seats left me with severe cramp. And that was only 50 minutes... my next flight is 4 hours plus!

If it does come in before then, I will pay whatever for those extra legroom seats!



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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 16):
his sucks, just another step towards becoming an ordinary legacy airline.

I'm sure there's some economic theory kicking about somewhere that states fledging firms which set out to undermine industry stalwarts, through gaining market share over time will eventually evolve into firms with the same or similar characteristics. So I have to agree, Easyjet has finally become just another airline.


User currently offlinedjmatthews From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10363 times:

I was on a trial flight and it worked fine. I was watching how people boarded, and in my opinion people boarded quicker, straight to their seat, then sat down, rather than walking up and down the aisle looking for a seat, or seats.

I overheard the crew say that it worked well, particularly on holiday flights where children need to be sat with their parents/guardians.

One observation that effected us was that clearly nobody had paid extra for the exit row seats, so passengers (us) had to move into the exit row seats (for free).  

To clarify, we had not paid for seating and were allocated a middle seat and aisle seat.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10361 times:

It's just another drip, drip, drip type charge. The one good thing about a "loco" was the ability just to sit where you wanted which meant I could get a deat down the front. Let's be clear, EZY are not so much a loco anymore, they have moved upmarket but they still feel cheap and tacky when the whole queue stops at the gate as someone's bag is an inch too big or you now need another charge just to avoid something that was free last time I flew, i.e. a decent seat. Much f the time when I fly to Scotland BA are cheaper anyway.

User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10343 times:

Much, much better. The times I've seen people wonder about looking for seats, blocking the aisles, and stressing out the whole situation.

If you're that uptight that you won't pay £3, then that's your own fault. Far better than the sell speedy boarding for £16 and depending on how the gate agent feels, you may or may not get it, yeah, I've experienced that.

Very good idea, interesting to note also, the 'evil' of the loco airline, easyJet's proposed charges for standard seats are cheaper than British Airways and most UK charter airlines. Comparatively, Monarch charge £25 for exit rows, easyJet propose £12.

If you don't want to pay extra, fine, you'll get what you've paid for; a seat. Pay a measly £3 more and have whichever one you like. Simples?

[Edited 2012-08-05 15:42:01]

User currently offlineeurowings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10039 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 20):

If easyJet does introduce this system, Ryanair and Wizzair will now be AFAIK the only LCCs offering free seating in Europe. The rest have either always had allocated seating, or have converted to it. So it's hardly incompatible with the loco model. I have been flying with regularly with Jet2 for the past 7 years and allocated seated has never been issue. The online check-in system doesn't split up groups if they dont pay for advanced seating selection and can be made to pick an aisle or window.

EZY have their perks don't forget. Unlike the 'beloved' BA, they have no limits on hand luggage weight and if you have arrived early for whatever reason, will gladly transfer you to an earlier flight without charge. They don't charge for airport check-in either.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9749 times:

It's not a measly three quid in isolation, it's yet another charge. I used the trial on LTN-GLA recently and coupled with the Luton experience all in, it's just a depressing change IMHO. However it will make them more money I have no doubt.

User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8274 times:

Question remains - can you select a seat for free as soon as OLCI opens or you will have a seat randomly assigned during the OLCI process (or at the airport)? My guess is that they will ask you again during OLCI if you would like to select a seat for 3 GBP or if you want to have a seat randomly assigned for free.

Another question is whether easyjet - on a per flight basis - will earn more from this 3 GBP charge than from the speedy boarding charge which, I suppose, only relatively few pax are choosing at the moment.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

I have never had any problems with U2 boarding process, but I can see the benefits of assigned seating as well. To me Speedy Boarding had no added value (particularly at airports where you had a non-negligible chance of being bussed to the aircraft). With this, I might actually occasionally use it, if the fee is as stated.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 24):
Question remains - can you select a seat for free as soon as OLCI opens or you will have a seat randomly assigned during the OLCI process (or at the airport)?

That is important to know for me too. For example AB allows you - for a fee - to pre-select a seat at time of booking, or to select a seat (for free) at time of online check-in. There is no random assignment unless you check-in at the airport. I hope U2 ends up doing the same.


User currently offlineeugegall From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8046 times:

Will they sit your party together?

If I booked for a party of 3 under one booking reference number. Will they seat us all together for free/


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8156 times:

Quoting eugegall (Reply 26):
If I booked for a party of 3 under one booking reference number. Will they seat us all together for free/

No idea. But they may not explicity say you will or will not, so encouraging you to pay for specific seats for certainty and peace-of-mind. From their perspective this would make the most sense, given they will be charging for specific seats as a revenue-generating opportunity. If they say a party will be seated together it would undermine their entire objective with these optional charges.

But we really should wait until EZY itself confirms everything is going ahead.

[Edited 2012-08-06 01:37:38]


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User currently offlineLehovec From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 24):
can you select a seat for free as soon as OLCI opens or you will have a seat randomly assigned during the OLCI process (or at the airport)?

During the trial, no you were not. You were assigned seat night before by system automatically and it was impossible to change it, even if you wanted to pay at the airport when checking in. I assume, this will change and you will be able to pay for / change seat for fee at the airport however if you choose not to pay, you will be assigned seat automatically.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 24):
Another question is whether easyjet - on a per flight basis - will earn more from this 3 GBP charge than from the speedy boarding charge which, I suppose, only relatively few pax are choosing at the moment.

From what I have heard, SB will stay as they claim some people will still pay to get first on (although I find it strange). Another thing it has been said at the beggining of the trial was re SB+ cards, they will be staying as well. The benefit will be that for £130 (or whatever it is now) you will get free seat selection for a year (incl emergency exits).

Quoting eugegall (Reply 26):

If I booked for a party of 3 under one booking reference number. Will they seat us all together for free/

They will try and put you all together. I would imagine it will work in this order: customers who have paid for seats, families with children and infants, PRM's, groups travelling together (more then one adult on same booking), individual travellers.

I find it very odd that Sunday Times has got this info when there was no decision made within EZY itself yet. I always thought it will be brought in as this is what the most of customers want, but let's just wait until it is official.


User currently offlineLehovec From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7714 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
So will you be able to choose your (standard) seat for free at OLCI at T-60 days?

it has been T-30 days for a while now.  


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3900 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7376 times:

Does this have any implication on last-minute fleet substitutions? I was under the impression that Easyjet routinely switched A319-A320 or vice versa depending on demand for the flights (?)

User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7290 times:

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 2):
Now the scramble for seats will be over, the boarding process will also be much more civilised!

Civilized or just as it should be anyway.



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User currently offlineLehovec From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 30):
Does this have any implication on last-minute fleet substitutions? I was under the impression that Easyjet routinely switched A319-A320 or vice versa depending on demand for the flights (?)

Not really, all pax that paid for seats will have their seats honoured. Extra legroom o/wing seats can be transferred from 10/11 on A319 to 12/13 on A320.
There will be additional capacity of 2 rows in £6 band and 4 rows in £3 band, so should not make any difference.

[Edited 2012-08-06 03:09:26]

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 31):
Civilized or just as it should be anyway.

Do you see it when boarding a bus or train? Given that flying is, over all, merely another form of transport... especially when you consider that it is derived demand, i.e. not undertaken for the sake of it but rather what it facilitates, e.g. visiting friend/relative, a holiday, a business meeting, whatever.

But anyway, EZY's analysis must have concluded that the marginal revenue they antcipate generating will offset the incurred additional costs and complexity and (possibly, why yet knows?) aircraft productivity decreases.

[Edited 2012-08-06 03:14:48]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 34, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 33):
But anyway, EZY's analysis must have concluded that the marginal revenue they antcipate generating will offset the incurred additional costs and complexity and (possibly, why yet knows?) aircraft productivity decreases.

I can tell you that it will not be more complex, and indeed it will much more civilised at airports such as MAD, LGW. ALC and others that use jetbriges. All that gate staff have to do is ensure that the airplane is boarded according to row. back to front.

As it is, speedy boarders get on first, and they typically want to seat at the front, causing a bottleneck for the ones coming behind them.

At airports where they use stairs on front and rear doors, staff should ensure that pax in rows 1 to 13 board thru the front and 14 to 26 on the back.
The more problematic situation will be when buses are used for boarding. In that case what would make more sense is to have families etc plus pax with rows 8 to 18 in bus one, and everyone else in the second bus.
The key to success will be the assertiveness of staff in supervising boarding.

I see this as a positive move that passengers will welcome, and at the same time it puts more clear water between EasyJet and Ryanair, that will continue to benefit the former.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 35, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 34):
I see this as a positive move that passengers will welcome.

Indeed. It will be nice for passengers to have the option of paying a little extra to increase experience enjoyability.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 33):
Do you see it when boarding a bus or train? Given that flying is, over all, merely another form of transport...

Trouble is..... on a bus or a train you're not 6 miles up and moving at 550mph.

Flying as a mode of transport should never be likened to buses or trains.

That's just what FR would like you to think and why they attack the legacies even though they have totally different markets.

Long-haul is a totally different ball game and why I am always amazed when U2 and FR compare their silly little cheapskate 1 continent operations to the global international carriers.

WN gets my respect but FR (probably got the worst reputation of any airline in the world) and U2 (can't ever seem to make up its mind what it is) no chance !

[Edited 2012-08-06 05:03:54]


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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 37, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 33):
But anyway, EZY's analysis must have concluded that the marginal revenue they antcipate generating will offset the incurred additional costs and complexity and (possibly, why yet knows?) aircraft productivity decreases.

My guess is that they will earn more from this than currently from speedy boarding as a lot of people will be scared to end in a middle seat or not being seated together and fork out the 3 GBP. If, say, 10 pax currently pay for speedy boarding, but 70 for an allocated seat, easyjet willearn more per flight under the new system.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 38, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 36):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 33):
Do you see it when boarding a bus or train? Given that flying is, over all, merely another form of transport...

Trouble is..... on a bus or a train you're not 6 miles up and moving at 550mph.

Flying as a mode of transport should never be likened to buses or trains.

It matters not if you're "6 miles up and moving at 550mph" to boarding or disembarking given you're stationary during those processes as you are with other forms of transport.

No matter if you like it, buses, coaches, trains, planes are all forms of transport. With the exception of spotters (of any form), they are all derived demand - users use them as a means of doing something not as a means in themselves. This makes them merely transport. This does not mean that different products do not exist to appeal to those segments that are willing and able to pay for them - they obviously do for planes and trains (Y, premium Y, C, F) and coaches (premium-only, whatever). But you don't actually buy a ticket for F class for its own. Ultimately, you will be going to wherever for some reason. You will not merely be coming back again. This means that it is, regardless of chosen product, ultimately merely transport.

[Edited 2012-08-06 05:19:08]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6275 times:

Any more news on the veracity of this news story. The Sunday Times says it will happen but in another news story on abtn.co.uk Easyjet's CEO says that the airline is considering the move.

So who is correct ?


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 40, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 39):
So who is correct ?

I'd like to think EZY knows better than a broadcaster of news. But, who knows?  



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 38):
It matters not if you're "6 miles up and moving at 550mph" to boarding or disembarking given you're stationary during those processes as you are with other forms of transport.

Mmm...well i'm not really sure it sends the right message or sets the right tone for 'this' mode of transport.

Due to its very nature flying 'should' be an extremely well organized and directed affair for the passenger for they play just as much an important role in the safety on board as the crew and flight deck.

Seeing as it's alright to 'rugby scrum' getting on the plane is it alright to 'rugby scrum' in an emergency getting off it?

I'm afraid I differ vastly with many of you regards my attitude to flying and why it is not like 'any' form of ground transport.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 42, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 41):
I'm afraid I differ vastly with many of you regards my attitude to flying and why it is not like 'any' form of ground transport.

Transport is a collective within which multiple things exist.

Your old-fashioned and 'we're untouchable' attitude is one reason why so many conventional airlines reacted far too slowly to LCCs. But each to their own.  Wink

[Edited 2012-08-06 05:36:32]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6077 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 36):
U2 and FR compare their silly little cheapskate 1 continent operations to the global international carriers.

Sorry, Mikey - I know it's OT but I've got to disagree with you there. U2 and FR combined have a fleet of 485 a/c. Last year, both carried significantly more pax than BA. Just because they fly only short/medium haul routes does not make them silly or little.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 42):
old-fashioned

'Old-fashioned' suits me just fine.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 42):
'we're untouchable'

Most airlines are 'untouchable' for different reasons.

FR/U2 are just as untouchable at their bases as the legacies are at theirs.

(FR and U2 can't really cut it though at the legacy bases though can they ? Not like say WN ? )



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 45, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 44):
Most airlines are 'untouchable' for different reasons.

You evidently don't recall the dire consequences of European conventional airlines' failure to recognise the threat from LCC.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 44):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 42):
old-fashioned

'Old-fashioned' suits me just fine.

Unfortunately for you, being old-fashioned in this instance means you're out-of-touch with reality.

[Edited 2012-08-06 05:51:21]


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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 45):
You evidently don't recall the dire consequences of European conventional airlines' failure to recognise the threat from LCC.

You're quick today Pe@rson !

They're still here aren't they ?

That 'sitting duck scenario' (always on the cards after deregulation) is confined to the annals of history and will not be repeated.

Airlines back then were positively 'Jurassic' compared to how they are now.

(Well ...maybe not AF but they will get there.)



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 38):
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 36):

Flying as a mode of transport should never be likened to buses or trains.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 33):

No matter if you like it, buses, coaches, trains, planes are all forms of transport. With the exception of spotters (of any form), they are all derived demand - users use them as a means of doing something not as a means in themselves. This makes them merely transport.


I, and many others, commute by plane and treat it like a bus. In my case I use a combination of a plane and a bus to get from A to B - I don't particularly regard them as different. Free, unallocated, boarding works for me equally well on both modes of transport. EZY has every right to transition to allocated seating, I just doubt that it will work better for me. Will I still use EZY? I'm sure I will, but sometimes I may be swayed to choose BA instead.



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 24):
Question remains - can you select a seat for free as soon as OLCI opens or you will have a seat randomly assigned during the OLCI process (or at the airport)? My guess is that they will ask you again during OLCI if you would like to select a seat for 3 GBP or if you want to have a seat randomly assigned for free.

No, you can't. You have to pay 3 GBP in advance, otherwise they will allocate you a seat which can't be changed after you checked-in.

Quoting Lehovec (Reply 32):
Not really, all pax that paid for seats will have their seats honoured. Extra legroom o/wing seats can be transferred from 10/11 on A319 to 12/13 on A320.
There will be additional capacity of 2 rows in £6 band and 4 rows in £3 band, so should not make any difference.

In case of a last minute aircraft change from an A319 to an A320 for example it will require a lot of seat changes to move people more to the rear for balancing reasons.



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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 49, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 48):

In case of a last minute aircraft change from an A319 to an A320 for example it will require a lot of seat changes to move people more to the rear for balancing reasons.

We are talking about four rows, aren't we? If you have, say, 26 rows numbered 1-14 and 19-30 in the A319 and rows 1-30 in the A320, would be impossible balance-wise to just leave rows 15-18 emtpy if an A320 is substituted for an A319 (or any other four rows that are best suited)? Problem really is if an A320 gets replaced by an A319 and you need to resdistribute those allocated to rows 15-19 - but easyjet could simply block those rows generally for advance seat allocation and use them only for random seating.


User currently offlineby188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

Quoting flycro (Reply 9):
Cheaper than choosing a seat on unbundled BA

Cheaper. Yes, but at least with BA , at 24 hours before departure you can then select a seat for free. With this system its either pay £3 or risk a middle seat. No thanks



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User currently offlineVHTAE From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Bring it on! I flew EasyJet twice in June and found non allocation annoying. Hopefully these new changes lead to more room in the overhead compartment for hand luggage.

Thanks VH-TAE.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 52, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Quoting by188b (Reply 50):
With this system its either pay £3 or risk a middle seat. No thanks

Does it really matter on a short flight? Granted it may be more frustrating on a longer sector.



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User currently offlineDunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

I don't think this has actually been confirmed yet by Carolyn McCall or easyJet.

At LGW we have been asked to make observations of certain parameters on boarding of flights on AMS, ALC and AGP routes. This data will be used as more information to support the trial of allocated seating. Currently at LGW we do not operate any routes trialling allocated seating.

[Edited 2012-08-07 02:32:47]

User currently offlineDunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 54, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Quoting Lehovec (Reply 28):
Another thing it has been said at the beggining of the trial was re SB+ cards, they will be staying as well. The benefit will be that for £130 (or whatever it is now) you will get free seat selection for a year (incl emergency exits).

... and fast track security at most airports now. Something you'll need if you're travelling through LTN!


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 53):
I don't think this has actually been confirmed yet by Carolyn McCall or easyJet.

Exactly. As I said in a previous posting, I don't believe it has been confirmed. A decision, one way of the other, will be taken in the autumn. See yesterday's BT News.

http://www.btnews.co.uk/article/5220


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1784 posts, RR: 3
Reply 56, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

The official line is still very much that a final decision hasn't yet been made but internally, trust me, it's a case of WHEN not IF.

Turnaround times are very marginally slower with allocated seating but as time goes on there shouldn't really be any issue.
The choose your own seat system is, unapologetically, a revenue stream for the airline but if a passenger decides not to choose their own seat then the system pre allocates seats and the intention is to ensure people are sat together. Obviously on a full flight with high a preponderance of families then I dare say there will be one or two unhappy people but that isn't any different to free seating.

The whole aim of allocated seating with Easyjet is to make the experience better for the passenger. In my opinion there is no particularly fatal flaw with free seating in fact I always believe that more people, in the end, are happy with where they are sat. Instead it's the experience in the terminal that lets the boarding process down. The 'scrum' is often exaggerated but you can't deny the fact that people queue long before they need to and the fact that seats aren't allocated makes some passengers very anxious. Passengers often complain about being herded by cattle......in the nicest possible way I believe it is necassary and I think allocated seating will facilitate this.

Routes wise; on city pairs many passengers are indifferent as to whether it is free seating or allocated. There are other routes however, VFR, Holiday routes, where the boarding system is a stress and it's not particularly liked. In extreme cases, people won't consider flying with Easyjet. The same thing won't happen with allocated seating.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 36):
Long-haul is a totally different ball game and why I am always amazed when U2 and FR compare their silly little cheapskate 1 continent operations to the global international carriers.

Make no mistake about it, i'm no FR fan but along with EZY they are a very strong and profitable airline. If that means they only serve one Continent then so be it. Gone are the days of serving Cities and parts of the World purely for prestige. Look where that got TWA for example. Either way, both EZY and FR serve Europe and North Africa with Easyjet serving parts of the Middle East aswell...............just to be pedantic.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 36):
WN gets my respect but FR (probably got the worst reputation of any airline in the world) and U2 (can't ever seem to make up its mind what it is) no chance !

But doesn't WN serve just one Continent?

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 44):
(FR and U2 can't really cut it though at the legacy bases though can they ? Not like say WN ? )

EZY has desecrated BA's dominance at LGW, they've overseen a reduction of operations by AZ and LH in MXP and they've prompted a reaction by AF in Paris.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 20):
when the whole queue stops at the gate as someone's bag is an inch too big

But regs/rules are just that and they are fully specified. Plus most airlines are strict these days. On my BKK-SYD with BA I had to repack my bag because it was just 1.5kg overweight. Me re-packing my bag on the check in hall floor looks just as bad but I knew I was over the 23kg limit, and i tried to get away with it. I don't begrudge anyone trying that but don't sulk when you are told that your luggage isn't permitted.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 20):
Let's be clear, EZY are not so much a loco anymore, they have moved upmarket but they still feel cheap and tacky


Go easy on the paradoxes mates

Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 17):
Brilliant, can't wait for them to introduce it! Never been a fan of the loco scrum at all.

I don't think it'll be in before my flights in September, which is a shame as I pretty much need to bag an extra legroom seat after my last flight with easyJet in their normal seats left me with severe cramp. And that was only 50 minutes... my next flight is 4 hours plus!

If it does come in before then, I will pay whatever for those extra legroom seats!

Other than 1ABC there isn't that much difference in leg room at the exits IMO. 1DEF is quite restictive with the bulkhead in front and the overwings never seems to have that much room compared with the rows 2-20ish. The rear few rows, especially 31ABC on the 320 is very tight and is 29" seat pitch which is banded around.

So in short, avoid the last few rows.



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1784 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Allocated seating at Easyjet is a definite. I'm being told that a decision will formally be announced by months end. 29th August being mentioned.


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