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AZA To Announce 3rd Airline 8/6  
User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1065 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9474 times:

AZA has scheduled a press conference tomorrow (Monday, 8/6) to announce that a third airline will serve the airport. F9 will announce six new destinations tomorrow, but they currently serve PHX.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...f9e7ca8888c72c4f9/AZ--Mesa-Airport

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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9484 times:

Who does the majority of ground handling services at AZA? Allegiant people or is it all outsourced?

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

Per the FAA, the average DEN-PHX yearly 2011 PDEW is about 2800.

I would think that probably a couple of daily DEN-AZA could easily be filled by any carrier on this route.

 


User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9284 times:

How exciting! Im going to guess a regional under a mainline brand

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

I'm guessing maybe UA with a couple of daily regionals to IAH or American Eagle with a few daily ERJs to LAX or DFW.

Or, it's a stretch, but could Sun Country be looking to expand into the Phoenix market with a daily 737 to MSP?

[Edited 2012-08-05 11:26:41]

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9094 times:

My money's on either SY or F9 moving from PHX to AZA to keep their costs lower. F9 seems to be moving towards outside-the-box airports recently to stave off the competition between WN and UA at DEN.

User currently offlinemetjetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Could it be California Pacific?

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 5):
F9 seems to be moving towards outside-the-box airports recently to stave off the competition between WN and UA at DEN.

If so, would it be a stretch for F9 to operate at both PHX and AZA, since the air traffic is enormous between the Denver and Phoenix areas?

  


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 949 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8956 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Thread starter):
AZA has scheduled a press conference tomorrow (Monday, 8/6) to announce that a third airline will serve the airport. F9 will announce six new destinations tomorrow, but they currently serve PHX.

I guess this is perfect timing because the new terminal remodel is almost complete.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Who does the majority of ground handling services at AZA? Allegiant people or is it all outsourced?

All airlines are outsourced at AZA, Allegiant: Worldwide Flight Services, Sprit: Servisair

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 5):
My money's on either SY or F9 moving from PHX to AZA to keep their costs lower

Both airlines fly out of PHX. I do not think F9 will dump their operations and interlining with US, UA and ZK to move to AZA. Also SY resumes PHX service next month, if they were going to move their operation to AZA they would have said something back in may when stopped flying into PHX for the summer. Granted costs are lower at AZA but I do not think F9 or SY are moving out there.

Quoting metjetCEO (Reply 6):
Could it be California Pacific?

It could be.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):

I'm guessing maybe UA with a couple of daily regionals to IAH or American Eagle with a few daily ERJs to LAX or DFW.

Wouldn't that affect load factors and flights at PHX?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5474 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8949 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 2):
Per the FAA, the average DEN-PHX yearly 2011 PDEW is about 2800.

Hold on a minute. I don't know what FAA numbers you quoted but according to the DOT Traffic Reports, the TOTAL daily O&D pax in the market averaged a bit over 2,700 during 2011, making the PDEW ~1370. Still a healthy amount of traffic but a bit more realistic.
Quoting metjetCEO (Reply 6):
Could it be California Pacific?

Interesting thought. I've always assumed CP Air would be heading for Sky Harbor and I can't now remember if that was ever confirmed by anyone with the carrier. (And there have not been any other announcements of specific start-up plans yet so this would seem unlikely...)

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5474 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8919 times:

Just to clarify, with the remodel/expansion, there are no FIS facilities at Gateway, right? (So we're not looking at somebody from Mexico?)

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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17680 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8866 times:

Finally someone to liberate PHX from their astronomical fares 


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User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8865 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
Just to clarify, with the remodel/expansion, there are no FIS facilities at Gateway, right? (So we're not looking at somebody from Mexico?)

hehe... they'll be empty flying to Phoenix, but full leaving. Just don't yell out "La Migra" too loud in front of the airline ticket counters...



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8792 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
TOTAL daily O&D pax in the market averaged a bit over 2,700 during 2011

Okay, I did this on my spreadsheet now (instead of off the top of my head) and the average is 2736. So sorry, it's closer to 2700 rather than 2800, but as you say...

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
Still a healthy amount of traffic

and probably easily able to fill a couple of DEN-AZA flights, and maybe even enough for F9 to do both PHX and AZA.

 

[Edited 2012-08-05 13:33:40]

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8689 times:

Never thought about CP Air...they would be an interesting player.
Also, if they elect to serve Vegas...theoretically, how hard would it be for them to go to VGT instead of LAS?


User currently onlineboeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8683 times:

Quoting usxguy (Reply 12):
hehe... they'll be empty flying to Phoenix, but full leaving. Just don't yell out "La Migra" too loud in front of the airline ticket counters...

Hm, I thought it was gonna be the other way around. Flying full to Phoenix, but flying empty back. But in other words, I can't imagine any US airline besides California Pacific wanting to fly to AZA.

I couldn't imagine it would really be worth it to any low cost carrier finding it worth it to move from PHX to AZA. Maybe a legacy would just try to get in there maybe, but unlikely.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9422 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 15):
I couldn't imagine it would really be worth it to any low cost carrier finding it worth it to move from PHX to AZA. Maybe a legacy would just try to get in there maybe, but unlikely.

Frontier's trying to copy Allegiant and Spirit. Don't forget.



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User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 141 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8529 times:

It could be F9 service from AZA to MCO. I see no nonstop service on the Phoenix Mesa web site.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8481 times:

I know it is unlikely, but I would like to see DL service from AZA to ATL. I live in Gilbert, and AZA would be a more convienient option than PHX.


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 949 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
Just to clarify, with the remodel/expansion, there are no FIS facilities at Gateway

That is correct. There is no FIS facility at AZA, but there is a Us Customs office there on the airport.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):
I know it is unlikely, but I would like to see DL service from AZA to ATL. I live in Gilbert, and AZA would be a more convienient option than PHX.

Perhaps a 717 from AZA to ATL? Would be nice but if DL entered the airport I could just see them flying RJ7s or RJ9s to SLC and maybe LAX...

How about QX?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5474 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 13):
Okay, I did this on my spreadsheet now (instead of off the top of my head) and the average is 2736. So sorry, it's closer to 2700 rather than 2800, but as you say...

No, you miss my point, point. (Sorry, I couldn't resist...   )

The published '2,700' figure is TOTAL traffic in the market -- in both directions -- and you are confusing that figure with PDEW which is Pax per Day Each Way! (The 2700 number divided in half.) If you are quoting statistics, make sure you label them right; there's a BIG difference between (an incorrect) PDEW of 2700 and a correct PDEW of 1350. A PDEW of 1350 would fill about 10 roundtrip WN flights while a PDEW of 2700 would fill 20! Big difference, especially in light of the point you're trying to make in this thread.

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8341 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):
I know it is unlikely, but I would like to see DL service from AZA to ATL. I live in Gilbert, and AZA would be a more convienient option than PHX.

Just can't see this one happening for a long time, if ever. Maybe if the economy rebounds, then a possible A319 could work, but it might just not be enough - PHX is simply too convenient to the major business districts in Arizona.

I wouldn't be shocked to see F9 launch service tomorrow though - they've got both PVU and SLC going. Wouldn't be shocked if they did a daily E-Jet into AZA.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
I'm guessing maybe UA with a couple of daily regionals to IAH or American Eagle with a few daily ERJs to LAX or DFW.

If UA launched AZA, it'd likely be a CRJ to DEN or possibly SFO...IAH at 1000 miles on an RJ just wouldn't make sense.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25455 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8287 times:
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Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21):
I wouldn't be shocked to see F9 launch service tomorrow though - they've got both PVU and SLC going. Wouldn't be shocked if they did a daily E-Jet into AZA.

The timing of the announcements makes that a strong possibility, I guess.

When PVU applied for their SCASD loan, their preferred cities were LAX, LAS and PHX with DEN. So I'd quite like to see PVU-AZA.

I am not holding my breath, though.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-08-05 16:43:57]


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User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8063 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21):
If UA launched AZA, it'd likely be a CRJ to DEN or possibly SFO...IAH at 1000 miles on an RJ just wouldn't make sense.

I've flown PHX-DSM route many times on a CR2 and CR9. Its 1149 miles (GCM scale). Its not the best flight to take, but those CR2's get cramped on a 2.5 hour flight.

My guess as to the new tennent will be F9 also. Since they only have interline agreements with other carriers, to move to a cheaper airport to operate out of, might make great sence. To have another viable option out at IWA/AZA for us east valley people would be great. I wonder how much ticket prices might decrease.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9422 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7861 times:

Look for Frontier to announce Denver - Phoenix/Mesa on a Monday.
And look for Spirit to announce Denver - Phoenix/Mesa say what - by Tuesday?



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25 ridgid727 : Could be AS from BLI-AZA
26 Post contains links hz747300 : I'm going with F9 too. The stuff at the bottom of this page is what sells me on it: http://www.frontierairlines.com/plan-book/routes-schedules/route-m
27 flyhossd : IIRC, CO operated EMB-145s from PHX to IAH (and longer routes at one time, like IAH-BOI).
28 93Sierra : So is it F9? Filler, filler.
29 93Sierra : Well whom ever it is, it will be interesting as to how the terminal Can handle it, plus I have a feeling G4 will continue to grow at IWA. Exciting
30 SANFan : The announcement is tomorrow... F9 does seem like a longshot but I guess nothing else makes any more sense. I personally can't see them moving their
31 Post contains images LV : F9 is the first thought I had. I could see AZA throwing together a marketing and ground handling package that would pouch F9 from PHX They are at a p
32 RWA380 : PHX has been on the AS route map for many, many years I see absolutely no reason for AS/QX to fly into AZA, either in addition to, or instead of PHX.
33 PHX787 : I wanna throw my hat into the ring and say VX
34 ba744phx : well its F9 its showing on their route map and cities served 1 daily flight DEN-AZA-DEN starting November 15[Edited 2012-08-06 05:55:27][Edited 2012-0
35 TWA902fly : Guys, you're all overlooking this post. AZA is on the F9 route map, so I think it's safe to assume the new airline is F9. '902
36 gustywinds : Pretty cool Here is the schedule - FLIGHT DATE SEGMENT DPTR ARVL MLS EQP ELPD MILES SM 1 F9 201 15NOV DEN AZA 110P 303P 319 1.53 590 N 2 F9 200 15NOV
37 spiritair97 : Where else would they go? Their only major hub is DEN, and I couldn't see them doing any Florida routes. Besides DEN, the only other route I could se
38 kgaiflyer : Oh no? I flew PSP-IAH-IAD earlier this year CR-7 / CR-7 and then ELP-IAH-IAD E145 / E145 .
39 hz747300 : Ironically, when I got in to work (HK Time) and checked this post then the route map it was not on there. The Ryanair-like explanations at the bottom
40 Post contains images ba744phx : Its only 6:45am in AZ
41 kingcavalier : Why no Florida? I see no nonstop service currently from AZA to MCO.
42 Post contains images point2point : You know, you are so correct....... Can we say that my brain function somehow went amuck here and has since been re-corrected?
43 Cactus739 : Interesting that they'll serve both Sky Harbor and Gateway. Checked a random date pairing in December for AZA-DEN, can get it as low as $137 r/t. Same
44 Atrude777 : Very exciting news for Phoenix-Mesa! I travel down to Phoenix nearly every month and always take a chance to go see the Mesa Airport with my friend an
45 Post contains images ACJFLYER : Alex - after all of the MD-80s at AZA it will be great to see more Airbus there. Don't go telling everyone where my shady spot is. There's only so muc
46 redzeppelin : I think the point about PVU was that if F9 is willing to serve both PVU and SLC from DEN, then what's to stop them from serving both PHX and AZA from
47 Post contains images Atrude777 : Your secrets safe with me Buddy! What a great little spot it is indeed! This...along with the construction of the terminal is more then ever greatly
48 bjorn14 : VGT would be tough with only a 5,004' runway and is primarily a GA airport.
49 iowaman : Yes you won't see any aircraft other than maybe some props into VGT commercially.There is a small terminal building that I believe have been used for
50 ItalianFlyer : Bit OT but FWIT I also notice that Kingman, Prescott, Merced, Visalia and Show Low are on the route map....what kind of metal are they going to use th
51 spiritair97 : I'd imagine it would be cheaper to go into AZA. Since the landing fees are probably a lot less than PHX, there is less that has to be factored into t
52 Atrude777 : These are to my knowledge Great Lakes Code Shares, operated by ZK, with an F9 code share on it. Alex
53 Post contains images ItalianFlyer : Thank you for the clarification Alex . I heard rumblings of a major new city and route addition/realignment announcement in the works from my friends
54 ridgid727 : Don;t see that happening. Not enough ancillery revenue with that. Students/Missionaries going home to Phoenix, or visitng Provo, not much for rental
55 EricR : You are forgetting about the ski resorts. Utah historically has some of the best snow packs in the continental United States. Park City, Alta, and Sn
56 Post contains links gustywinds : Official F9 press release - http://media.frontierairlines.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5375
57 dlramp4life : It could happen but NK has not really thrown a wrench in G4 yet by annoucing service to PDX, MSP, or DTW from AZA. This is what interests me. As of r
58 Cactus739 : looks like that was the introductory fare.. wonder what the regular one will be.
59 treebeard787 : WFS does most of it and Serviceair is also at the airport. I can't wait to see F9 at AZA, It's amazing how popular the airport has become.
60 rampart : That comparison doesn't quite work in that AZA (IWA) was an air force base first, with lots of land and long runways existing. Its growth in activity
61 ROSWELL41 : So besides G4, NK will be serving LAS, ORD, and DFW this winter and F9 will be serving DEN. Not bad from where AZA was just a year ago. I could see NK
62 hz747300 : I agree about the LA feed. I think that would be a worthwhile route for AZA. Who would be the first brave enough to pull it off?
63 RWA380 : According to other threads there will be 19 A-319's flying for G4 eventually, I'd imagine you will get your Airbus fix then.
64 Post contains images LV : Let's see if this works as well as the TPA/PIE split did
65 mariner : Frontier didn't fly DEN-PIE. mariner
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