MAUZAO From Brazil, joined Aug 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13369 times:
According to the following link - http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa - very few A-340 were retroffited with LH new First class product. It seems that after several months, the number of the reffited aircraft are the same. Questions - how long it takes to replace a first class cabin (seats, pannels, walls, carpets, etc) on a single aircraft? Anyone knows if LH plans to refurbinish their complete fleet with the new F product? Also, is it possible to know if the refurbishined arcraft are assigned to a particular market or based in FRA or MUC? Any news about the rumor of some of the 340-600 machines possibly being transferred to SWISS? Thank you, obrigado!
LHLX From Israel, joined Nov 2011, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12695 times:
first of all - seja bemvindo on this site
All the retrofitted Airbus 340s (-300 and -600) are MUC based. FRA gets the new F-seats only in about 10 744s and of course in the 380s and in the lone (soon 2) 748.
By the looks of it (flightradar24.com) the MUC-GRU flights mostly get served by the 343s that already have the new F seats installed.
No idea how the long it takes to refurbish the planes with the new F class.
Seems as if LH is gonna eliminate F on the majority of 340s (FRA based planes) from 2013...
Ferroviarius From Norway, joined Mar 2007, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9585 times:
Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 3): Rumors say, that the 340s, 330s and 747-400s that will not get new First (or be retired), will be retrofitted into two class aircraft.
I recall having read in the FAZ months ago that Lufthansa then had planne to remove F but at the same time introduce on the resp. aircraft a new Premium Eco cabin with more comfortable seating than the usual Eco seating. So, there will still a kind of three class configuration. I do not recall whether there is going to be any four class airplanes.
There are plans to remove F class from the old 340s and 744s, but it has not been confirmed yet.
Same with the Premium Economy class. It looks like passengers want to have that option, but here as well: not confirmed and still to be decided.
As well as the configuration, it is not decided if 3 class, 2 class or even 4 class configuration. There are still people out there calculating
bavair From Germany, joined Jul 2011, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 6544 times:
From what I heard, all A340-600 will get the new first and are ultimately to be stationed in MUC. The A340-300's will be transferred to FRA with some of them having the new F (I'm not sure if they will keep them or all will be refitted into C and Y only). All A330-300 to be stationed in MUC will also have the new F and I would think the same goes for A330's stationed in FRA.
I don't have any official sources but from what I understand the plan is for MUC to only have A340-600's (all in the fleet) and A330-300's while FRA will have the full range except for A340-600's.
MAUZAO From Brazil, joined Aug 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 5250 times:
Thank you all for the information. Based on that, it seems all the A-340-300s operating from MUC to GRU were retrofitted with the new First. Nice to know LH is rotating the aircraft with new configuration to GRU. Hope they complete to install their new First on the other 340 birds soon. And maybe, a new Business with fully-flat seats, to alligned with LX product.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18008 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 5167 times:
Quoting bavair (Reply 6): From what I heard, all A340-600 will get the new first and are ultimately to be stationed in MUC. The A340-300's will be transferred to FRA with some of them having the new F (I'm not sure if they will keep them or all will be refitted into C and Y only). All A330-300 to be stationed in MUC will also have the new F and I would think the same goes for A330's stationed in FRA.
Why the focus on MUC? Wouldn't you want your new product in your larger, more competitive hub?
bavair From Germany, joined Jul 2011, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4829 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9): Why the focus on MUC? Wouldn't you want your new product in your larger, more competitive hub?
From what I've heard, MUC has a larger premium demand than FRA, especially in the number of HON's travelling from MUC. That's why all MUC based planes will retain the F class while only about half of the FRA planes will have it.
123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4748 times:
Quoting bavair (Reply 11): That's why all MUC based planes will retain the F class while only about half of the FRA planes will have it.
LH's 744 serving EZE from FRA have the new F class: For such a long flight - took it a few days ago - extremely tempting for an upgrade by using miles - or SEN vouchers.
I have never been fond of F class' extra costs, but if the F-class is so much better - as I experienced - it certainly is worth the miles-payment.
LH should refrain from stepping away from F class for flights over +9 hours in my opinion - for flights less than 9 hours, you can´t even use the luxurious extra bed LH offers now on the EZE run.
The new LH C class´criteria I read in many places is so low, that I am probably going to fly specifically with LH "old C", or other *alliance carriers. Thus, again back to F class, if it is so good, payment is worth for good....