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User currently offlineb764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 756 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8278 times:

Saw here a few months back that Aug 6th was the day for announcment for Southwest service to the Queen City. Any updates?

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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8199 times:

Quoting b764 (Thread starter):
Saw here a few months back that Aug 6th was the day for announcment for Southwest service to the Queen City. Any updates?

I am always suspicious about an announcement about another announcement in the future. AirTran was famous about this. Can't understand why they just can't make the announcement if thwy have decided to do something.


User currently offlinealggag From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7888 times:

Quoting b764 (Thread starter):
Saw here a few months back that Aug 6th was the day for announcment for Southwest service to the Queen City. Any updates?

Well, they bought FL and they're going to have to get the show on the road at some point.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

I haven't heard anything here in CLT, but that doesn't mean that something won't happen. All the folks in CLT are all excited about eventually getting "walmart on wheels", when in reality, its just a new FL flying to the same old destinations. People here don't realize that. Most people in CLT would rather see the US hub close, just to save money on their yearly vacation.

Anyway, I see BWI, ATL, MCO, and possibly BNA, HOU, MDW, or STL from CLT. They only have 2 gates here in CLT, so they can only have about 15 flights daily.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
"walmart on wheels",

Wouldn't it be "walmart with wings"?   


User currently offlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
They only have 2 gates here in CLT, so they can only have about 15 flights daily.

Here at IAD we only have 1 gate and operate 8 flights a day out of it with huge gaps in between so chances are 10 flights per gate or 20 flights a day is more likely. I know in some of the mega's like MDW, LAS and BWI they average 12 per gate per day.

FLY



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 5):
Here at IAD we only have 1 gate and operate 8 flights a day out of it with huge gaps in between so chances are 10 flights per gate or 20 flights a day is more likely. I know in some of the mega's like MDW, LAS and BWI they average 12 per gate per day.

FLY

I was thinking the same, as WN's turn miniscule times make it very easy to maximize gate space and time.


User currently offlineflaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6613 times:

Quoting b764 (Thread starter):
service to the Queen City

Dont mean to get picky, but I always thought Cincinnati was regarded as the "Queen City".



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2764 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6455 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Anyway, I see BWI, ATL, MCO, and possibly BNA, HOU, MDW, or STL from CLT. They only have 2 gates here in CLT, so they can only have about 15 flights daily.

I could see DEN as well. US is most likely making a killing here, being the only n/s DEN-CLT carrier with its current 6 daily flights and using both A320s & A321s, and then charging about $670 r/t.

I think that WN can so some good here.

  


User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 7):
Dont mean to get picky, but I always thought Cincinnati was regarded as the "Queen City".

They both claim the nickname...of the two, Charlotte is the older and larger city.


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1967 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 1):
I am always suspicious about an announcement about another announcement in the future. AirTran was famous about this. Can't understand why they just can't make the announcement if thwy have decided to do something.

Agreed, I guess it's just a way to create hype.

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 7):
Quoting b764 (Thread starter):
service to the Queen City

Dont mean to get picky, but I always thought Cincinnati was regarded as the "Queen City".

"Queen City" is the nickname used in both cities. Cincinnati's nickname is more specifically the "Queen of the West" or "Queen City of the West" which came into popular use in the 1820's, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow later essentially officialized the nickname in his 1854 poem Catawba Wine in which he referred to the city as "the Queen of the West". . Charlotte is also called the "Queen City" as the city got it's name from Queen Charlotte Sophia, wife of King George III, when the nickname became popularized there I am not certain.

[Edited 2012-08-06 10:22:15]

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2764 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 10):
"Queen City" is the nickname used in both cities. Cincinnati's nickname is more specifically the "Queen of the West" or "Queen City of the West" which Henry Wadsworth Longfellow referred to the city as in his poem Catawba Wine and it has stuck since then. Charlotte is also called the "Queen City" as the city got it's name from Queen Charlotte Sophia, wife of King George III, when the nickname became popularized there I am not certain.

Also, according to Wiki, Denver is also a queen city....... (no joke here)

Denver has also been known historically as the Queen City of the Plains and the Queen City of the West, because of its important role in the agricultural industry of the high-plains region in eastern Colorado and along the foothills of the Colorado Front Range.

Sure a lot of queen cities here in the states......

  


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1967 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 11):

Sure a lot of queen cities here in the states......

Haha apparently, but we know which two cities started the trend  


User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
"walmart on wheels"

USAirways is the one with the ticker symbol of LCC and was the one that even charged for sodas in flight.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Most people in CLT would rather see the US hub close, just to save money on their yearly vacation.

I think most people in CLT would be very happy to see US charge reasonable fares rather than closing the hub; it doesn't seem reasonable to charge $616 round-trip for CLT-IAH with two weeks' notice when US is happy to sell you RDU-IAH for $386 or GSP-IAH for $371 on the same dates, both connecting through CLT. I think they'd prefer not to feel gouged by a carrier that charges for bags and even tried to charge for non-alcoholic drinks.


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5654 times:

non stop flights have more value than connecting flights, why is that so hard for some people to understand?

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
Wouldn't it be "walmart with wings"?

Haha my mistake.

FL's current schedule is:

ATL:4X, BWI 3X

I could see with WN

ATL 3X, BWI 4X, HOU 2X, BNA 3X, STL 2X, MDW 3X, DEN or PHX or LAS 2X.

Maybe a flight to MCO.



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User currently offlineWWTRAVELER99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Don't expect WN to have more then 12 flights a day. I think they learned their lesson in PHL. In PHL they kept adding and adding do to the high fares the US charged. But as soon as US lowered their fares then people went back to US do to the love with all the miles and such. So WN decided to take their planes elsewhere. CLT will be the same if they try to add too much. I would say the start will be about what FL has there now. You may see different destinations but number of flights will remain about the same with a maximum of 12 a day.


WW


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

Quoting WWTRAVELER99 (Reply 17):
Don't expect WN to have more then 12 flights a day. I think they learned their lesson in PHL. In PHL they kept adding and adding do to the high fares the US charged.

There's a pretty significant gap between 12 daily flights and WN's peak at PHL. I'd agree that WN should not (and will not) grow as large at CLT as they grew at PHL, but why is 12 the magic number?



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User currently offlineWWTRAVELER99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):

There's a pretty significant gap between 12 daily flights and WN's peak at PHL. I'd agree that WN should not (and will not) grow as large at CLT as they grew at PHL, but why is 12 the magic number?

Personal opinion. Just that there is a limited number of gates and its a US fortress hub. I think WN will be very content to have 12-15 flights a day and be very profitable. If you look at PHL, all that has been happening is cuts. If they were to have a crystal ball I am sure PHL would not have grown to more than 25 flights.

Now if US were to run from a martket or cut service their self THEN I can see WN take advantage of something like that.



WW


User currently onlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 7):
but I always thought Cincinnati was regarded as the "Queen City".

Except for Alaska and Hawaii I think most states have a city commonly referred to as a queen city. It may or may not be the second largest city in the State. In Tennessee Clarksville CKV which is the 5th largest municipality has referred itself as the Queen city for more than 30 years.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4906 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Most people in CLT would rather see the US hub close, just to save money on their yearly vacation.

Since and my friends are part of the
"most people in CLT" I have never heard the suggestion of closing the hub so that the citizens can get cheaper fares by anyone

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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 16):
ATL 3X, BWI 4X, HOU 2X, BNA 3X, STL 2X, MDW 3X, DEN or PHX or LAS 2X.

Maybe a flight to MCO.
ATL is 4.5hrs on a straight road from CLT. With US and DL also on the route as well, maybe WN wouldn't keep it, but instead have more MDW flights or HOU flights or something else.

[Edited 2012-08-06 13:22:18]

User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1967 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 21):
Since and my friends are part of the
"most people in CLT" I have never heard the suggestion of closing the hub so that the citizens can get cheaper fares by anyone

Just read the comments on the message boards for the websites of local news outlets, the average joe citizen not versed in aviation is always calling for lower fares and the closure of the hub. Of course when the hub closes, these same people start b*tching about the lack of service.


User currently offlinetp1040 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Most people I know love the fact the Charlotte has great access. Sure, they might grumble about pricing models, but that is normal.

25 QANTAS747-438 : I think the date mentioned was August 12. But thats a Sunday so maybe the 13th.
26 b764 : I'll keep an eye out. Now that I don't live in CLT anymore I'm looking for MDW-CLT. Hopefully fares will come down with WN on the route and I can avo
27 drerx7 : I'm sure WN would start HOU...For the first time in decades US has begun bolstering IAH-CLT, its going from 734 to majority 321.
28 southwest737500 : Someone told me the announcement would be August 12
29 southwest737500 : I could see WN start CLT-DEN, CLT-HOU,CLT-LAS CLT-MDW[Edited 2012-08-07 10:33:21]
30 Post contains images point2point : That is what I would think a most likely scenario, and then add in CLT-BWI, and maybe CLT-MCO, and I think that that would be it......
31 gizmonc : Jerry Orr, CLT, Airport Director told the local Airtran employees right after WN purchased Airtran. That he had 6 gates for SWA. However there is noth
32 zippyjet : Anything to improve upon all those damn delays! For whatever reason CLT is trying to compete with the Airport Axis of Evil: BOS, LGA,JFK and EWR incl
33 USAirALB : Where? FL has two, and I don't think there are any gates in A open. I think there is one gate in A that doesn't have a jetway, so unless WN wants to
34 boberito6589 : The gates on E are all US. I dont think any are common use other than some of the D gates. I dont know where WN would get more gates from other than
35 bobnwa : It is now Aug 8 and nary a word from WN!!!! How about we end announcements that something will be announced on a given date.
36 Post contains images FutureUScapt : Of course, let's not forget the possibility of misinformation/bad rumors. But that never happens around here, right?
37 southwest737500 : Why is it taking so long for them to announce service. There going to have to do it eventually
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