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Is Aeroflot Starting SVO-MAN On 10/03/14?  
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1258 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Apologies in advance if a) this has already been discussed and b) I saw it on Wikipedia, so there's always a possibility that it isn't true, but on the Manchester Airport page, it states that Aeroflot is going to start flying from SVO to MAN - but not until 10th March 2014!!!

a) is this true?

and

b) if so, why such a late start date? Surely they don't start announcing routes that early?!!

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User currently offlinedanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1821 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

This is strongly rumoured but unless I have missed something nothing has been announced as yet. I'd heard they may look at starting it mid 2013.


Eagles may soar high, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Hopefully they will expand to more places if and when the Visa free Moscow bill gets approved by the Russian government. Basically they want to make city breaks to Moscow visa free for Europeans and others for upto 3 nights to promote tourism. Its expected to increase inbound tourist numbers and benefit the economy by 120BN Rubles. This can only help SU and others also.

User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Both Dub and Man have been rumord of starting in 2014, (Man was to happen in 2013 but has got pushed back) just have to wait on this one like so many other routes 


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Several problems with UK-Russian political relations due to a certain murder case linked to the Kremlin damaging trade in addition to the visa issues imposed on traveller.

The current bilateral does 't allow for regional operations and indeed caps services into London at the moment

Just look at the number of flights operated into Germany and France for comparison

The timeframe for this proposed service probably includes for the negotiations and bIlatteral or open sky EU treaty to be concluded


User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Roughly this time last year DUB was rumoured to be starting for Summer 2012 but it never started leaving S7 alone on the route with rather poor timings and frequencies. SU seem to be pretty conservative when it comes to European expansion


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 3):
Both Dub and Man have been rumord of starting in 2014, (Man was to happen in 2013 but has got pushed back)

Visa issues aside though, I wonder where the source came from for such a specific start date? Who know's something we don't?! lol


User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5186 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 4):
The current bilateral does 't allow for regional operations and indeed caps services into London at the moment

Transaero used to operate to Edinburgh with a weekly service, but the route was suspended a couple of years ago. They also planned to launch flights to Manchester, but I don't know if they ever started, Unless the agreements have changed recently, they certainly used to permit regional operations.



That'll teach you
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 7):
Transaero used to operate to Edinburgh with a weekly service, but the route was suspended a couple of years ago. They also planned to launch flights to Manchester, but I don't know if they ever started, Unless the agreements have changed recently, they certainly used to permit regional operations.

Yes, I thought there was a flight from Edinburgh - Moscow. Any chance of Aeroflot perhaps returning? 2/3 x weekly with an A320? What were the loads like? Do many Russians visit Edinburgh?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 3):

For years SU had a presense at DUB and SNN then wound down SNN and eventually DUB when the Irish carrier which they had a codeshare with went bust . Their office at T1 DUB stayed open for some time where they codeshared with OK DUB-PRG-SVO then OK pulled out and later SU closed their office. It was an end of an era and was sad to see them go. Id love to see them back .


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 7):
Transaero used to operate to Edinburgh with a weekly service, but the route was suspended a couple of years ago. They also planned to launch flights to Manchester, but I don't know if they ever started, Unless the agreements have changed recently, they certainly used to permit regional operations.

The Uk bilateral determines the number of slot rotations between the UK and Moscow.
True it doesn't specify the points at each end. All available slots are currently used ex LHR to Moscow

The Edinburgh service was subsidised by the Scottish executive and at the time bmi weren't occupying the slot allocation ex LHR.

Prior history Aeroflot (Orginal) did operate twice weekly to Manchester twenty years ago !

Transaero never started at Manchester they couldn't secure Government authority.Manchester also lost out with direct service to Moscow and onto Hong Kong with CX previously when bmi objected. bmi were subsequently awarded the London-Moscow- London route themselves as the second UK operator in preference to Virgin.

So fact is without negotiations and amendments regional - Moscow services can't start any time soon and Aeroflot will continue to route regional passengers via KLM and Amsterdam.


User currently offlineYchocky From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

What aircraft? Would be a real treat for the MAN spotters to get a Sukhoi SuperJet.

User currently offlineFactsOnly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Today SU already operates to Manchester, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Newcastle and Birmingham in codeshare with SKYTEAM partner KLM.

Here are the departure times of all SU flights from Amsterdam Schiphol Airport:

- dep. 08:00 Manchester SU 3156 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 10:00 St.Petersburg SU 4923 Aeroflot Russian Airlines Operated by Polkovo
- dep. 11:45 Moscow SU 3121 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 13:10 Moscow SU 2551 Aeroflot Russian Airlines
- dep. 14:25 Aberdeen SU 3140 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 15:30 Edinburgh SU 3132 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 15:35 Glasgow SU 3158 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 16:10 Aberdeen SU 3142 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 16:20 Newcastle SU 3148 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 16:20 Birmingham SU 3144 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 16:45 Luxembourg SU 3152 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 20:50 Moscow SU 3123 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 21:05 Luxembourg SU 3154 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 21:10 Edinburgh SU 3134 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 21:15 Manchester SU 3130 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 21:15 Glasgow SU 3138 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 21:50 Birmingham SU 3146 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 21:55 Newcastle SU 3150 Aeroflot Russian Airlines operated by KLM
- dep. 23:35 Moscow SU 2553 Aeroflot Russian Airlines

[Edited 2012-08-06 09:18:52]

[Edited 2012-08-06 09:19:26]

User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 10):
True it doesn't specify the points at each end. All available slots are currently used ex LHR to Moscow

Don't forget the daily BA flight to St Petersburg.

I also recall reading somewhere that S7 had been granted rights to MAN but because they failed to start the route in time the rights were revoked.


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