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Germania Starting SEN-PMI Next Summer!  
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

The Echo are reporting that Thomson Airways (but possibly operated by Germania) are starting package holiday/flights from SEN-PMI next Summer, on Tuesdays and Saturdays.

No announcement yet from either SEN or Thomson.

Article here:

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9853...ckage_holidays_return_to_Southend/

[Edited 2012-08-06 09:02:06]

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

The Thomson brochures show it as Germania, so you might want to slightly alter your thread title  


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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 1):
The Thomson brochures show it as Germania, so you might want to slightly alter your thread title

Thanks! Odd that it is being operated by Germania though isn't it? Is it just a case of Thomson not having enough aircraft to fly the route? Do any other airlines operate on behalf of Thomson?


User currently offlineheebeegb From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

I am assuming this would be a W rotation through PMI with the aircraft routing (for example) DUS-PMI-SEN-PMI-DUS ?

Edit : Having looked at the times it can't be a W rotation.

"The Palma flights are scheduled to leave Southend at 7.30am on Tuesdays and Saturdays, returning at 1.30pm on the same days

Odd?

[Edited 2012-08-06 09:23:04]

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3144 times:
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Quoting heebeegb (Reply 3):

I am assuming this would be a W rotation through PMI with the aircraft routing (for example) DUS-PMI-SEN-PMI-DUS ?

More likely another UK base in the "w" than a German city. Somewhere like BOH or CWL or even BFS as an out station through season.


User currently offlineheebeegb From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

But with those flight times it can't be a W rotation (unless I am missing something obvious) because the aircraft leaves SEN early morning and then returns back in SEN early afternoon.

User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Quoting heebeegb (Reply 5):
But with those flight times it can't be a W rotation (unless I am missing something obvious) because the aircraft leaves SEN early morning and then returns back in SEN early afternoon.

Holiday charters often depart and arrive at any time during 24 hours, so it might as well arrive at SEN at lets say 6:00 and depart again at 07:30. I once arrived at AMS at 03:00 for example.

I cant see Germania base an aircraft at SEN unless its leased out.


User currently offlinegoldcrest From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Germania have based a 737 in Dublin this Summer operating various charters for tour operators.

User currently offlinecaaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Isn't this because of runway length? The 737-800 wouldn't be able to operate fully loaded.

User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

I read elsewhere that GWI currently operates charter flights for Ford out of EGMC and this is the aircraft that would be used.

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting caaardiff (Reply 8):
Isn't this because of runway length? The 737-800 wouldn't be able to operate fully loaded.
Quoting caaardiff (Reply 8):


Isn't this because of runway length? The 737-800 wouldn't be able to operate fully loaded.

The runway was recently extended at SEN so no problem. Also PMI is a very short flight for a 737 so it would be well under maximun weight.


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Why is everybody expecting a B737 ?
Could be an A 319 as well ...

Plus I suspect Thomson is probably testing the SEN-market and thus not too keen on sending larger aircraft anyway ...



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2525 times:

It could be W from DUS-SEN-PMI-SEN-DUS

A DUS departure 6:30 CET arrives 6:30 GMT, so can depart 7:30GMT to PMI, is back 6 hours later, departs back to DUS at 2:30 GMT, arrives at 4:30 GMT...

Quoting kl911 (Reply 6):
Holiday charters often depart and arrive at any time during 24 hours, so it might as well arrive at SEN at lets say 6:00 and depart again at 07:30. I once arrived at AMS at 03:00 for example.

No longer the case, curfews almost everywhere.


User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2408 times:

Does Germania still do the Ford shuttle from SEN to CGN? Could the PMI flight be slotted around that?

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Quoting bwaflyer (Reply 13):
Does Germania still do the Ford shuttle from SEN to CGN? Could the PMI flight be slotted around that?

They do indeed do SEN-CGN for Ford, as well as ad-hoc flights from SEN to other German cities. Those, plus the PMI charter may mean enough work to justify opening a SEN base

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):
Do any other airlines operate on behalf of Thomson?

They are starting to make more use of '3rd party airlines' again. Next Summer they are also using Air Europa, Pegasus, Onur Air and Nouvelair for example



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User currently offlineheebeegb From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

It could be W from DUS-SEN-PMI-SEN-DUS

That isnt really a W rotation, thats a positing flight from DUS-SEN and then back again which would add costs to the operation.

The comments regarding Ford make sence


User currently offlineeurowings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 14):
They are starting to make more use of '3rd party airlines' again. Next Summer they are also using Air Europa, Pegasus, Onur Air and Nouvelair for example

I've noticed that, Thomson and Thomas Cook have kept the vast majority of flying with their own airlines in recent years. That has meant that very few foreign charter airlines have been visiting UK airports regularly, in comparison to say the situation 10 years ago (when it was an everyday sight).

With the bankruptcy of a some smaller tour operators (e.g. Goldtrail, WingAbroad, H4U), this seems to be changing. I've noticed Thomas Cook are using e.g. Freebird, Nouvelair and SmartLynx this summer season


User currently offlinecaaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1532 times:

This year Air Europa will be operating a weekly PMI-CWL-PMI for Thomson on top of the 3 other flights operated by a TOM a/c.
Looking at the Thomson timetable they are also selling:

PMI-ABZ - AEA (Air Europa)
TFS-ABZ - IWD (Iberworld)

PMI-NWI - AEA
TFS-NWI - IWD

PMI-GLA - BA

Off topic, but Onur Air are also operating a number of Turkey flights for TCX. They took a huge hit after both Goldtrail and H4U went under.
So i guess the UK Tour Operators are getting good deals in order to keep the foreign carriers fully utilised.


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