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787s Are A Go For Air India!  
User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 568 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17333 times:

They finally have voted to accept the deal offered by Boeing and will begin to prepare for delivery of the first aircraft this week. Actual delivery date is still TBD. Three 787s are currently ready for delivery at this time.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...e-to-take-delivery-of-787s-375111/


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16986 times:

First 4 deliveries expected this month.

AI expects to have 7 aircraft in operation by November.

8th to arrive in January 2013. 9th to arrive April 2013. 10th to arrive in May 2013. 11th to arrive in June 2013. 12th to arrive in August 2013. 13th to arrive in November 2013. 14th to arrive in January 2014.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31098 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16732 times:
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So AI is not going to wait for the outcome of the GEnx failure investigation, it seems.

User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16608 times:

About stinking time.

They basically wanted the planes for free. Absolutely outrageous. I hope Boeing stretched out the payments for 100 years.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16522 times:

Forgive me if I missed a thread, but any word on what caused the engine failure?

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16498 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 3):
About stinking time.

I am waiting until the fat lady sings before I get too excited!


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16377 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 3):
I hope Boeing stretched out the payments for 100 years.

If I were Boeing I'd ask for 100% as soon as they hand over the keys.


User currently offlineebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16036 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Forgive me if I missed a thread, but any word on what caused the engine failure?

I haven't seen anything specific about what caused the failure though I have read the engine is still going strong on airplanes that use it. Most current information appears to be that the investigation is ongoing.



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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15987 times:

Great news for all. Let's see what Air India can do now to turn itself around.

User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15931 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
So AI is not going to wait for the outcome of the GEnx failure investigation, it seems.

I would not read that into this news. The engine incident will, I think, be handled separately from this compensation claim. So I would expect the delivery and entry-into-service could still be delayed by the engine question.


User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14960 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
If I were Boeing I'd ask for 100% as soon as they hand over the keys.

Agreed. Sorry its late but if you want to compete you'll have to fly this airplane: pay up.



...are we there yet?
User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 2067 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14779 times:

Any idea on routes at launch?

User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14502 times:

Quoting col (Reply 8):

No offense to anyone.... but it is highly unlikely that India will change the way they see and use air transport.
Air India will continue the way it has always been....


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14256 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
So AI is not going to wait for the outcome of the GEnx failure investigation

Source?

AI Engg has stated that delivery will not happen until the investigation is complete. This announcement was made after it was cleared by the CCEA.. I have not heard of any changes to this status since the announcement.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
If I were Boeing I'd ask for 100% as soon as they hand over the keys.

AI is purchasing these aircraft from Boeing. The price must be paid in full before delivery can take place...

Quoting tharanga (Reply 9):
I would not read that into this news. The engine incident will, I think, be handled separately from this compensation claim. So I would expect the delivery and entry-into-service could still be delayed by the engine question.

  



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12703 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 1):

The first 4, I believe, are sitting on the eamp in CHS. It might, however, only be three, considering one is only in base colors (red tail, sticker-titles), had the engine failure last week.


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12590 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 3):
I hope Boeing stretched out the payments for 100 years.

If I were Boeing I'd ask for 100% as soon as they hand over the keys.

As far as I know, all OEM's get 100% prior to delivery. If there is financing involved it's with a bank, not with the OEM. It's just like buying a car. There are some OEM's with financing arms but they're generally separate business units from the airframers and I think they mostly help arrange financing, rather than actually being the lien holder.

Tom.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11799 times:
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Wait a second, from the OP's link:"We are currently in discussion with the airline and will work with them to identify a timetable for delivery," says Boeing when contacted."

Ugh... That leave a bit of wiggle room. I read that announcement and its only government approval. Has AI changed their stance?

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 13):
AI Engg has stated that delivery will not happen until the investigation is complete. This announcement was made after it was cleared by the CCEA.. I have not heard of any changes to this status since the announcement.

Exactly. What has changed ?

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 1):
First 4 deliveries expected this month.

AI expects to have 7 aircraft in operation by November.

Source?

AI still wants more compensation:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...om-Boeing/articleshow/15378114.cms


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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10962 times:

I wouldn't get so excited yet. AI is bound to create more ruckus over the engine issues.

AI is an utterly weird company run by people with monkey's brains or worse. It is high time Boeing and Airbus learnt that doing business with this nonsense of a company is worse than the little profit they'd get out of it.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10525 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 17):
AI is an utterly weird company run by people with monkey's brains or worse. It is high time Boeing and Airbus learnt that doing business with this nonsense of a company is worse than the little profit they'd get out of it.

I'm sure Boeing and Airbus would love to do that. But the political implications of such a move are probably something either of them want to stay well clear of. Especially if it results in the loss of defence contracts.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8788 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 18):
Especially if it results in the loss of defence contracts.

And Boeing has been winning a fair number of those in India



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User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 11):
Any idea on routes at launch?

I read somewhere they were going to be purely Domestic routes, time will tell.

As someone else said earlier, I'll believe it when the wheels touch down in India.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Source?

Recent RFP on the website detailed first 7 tentative delivery dates.

Now, the RFP has been taken down, but there is a tender for next 7 delivery dates... So we have a pretty clear picture of the timings of AI's first 14 deliveries.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5566 times:

Quoting Delboy (Reply 20):
Quoting ytz (Reply 11):
Any idea on routes at launch?

I read somewhere they were going to be purely Domestic routes, time will tell.

Probably they'll serve DEL-BOM for the first few weeks for crew training until the Kangaroo flights commence.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 11):
Any idea on routes at launch?

It will start on "Metro domestic routes" for familiarization flights.

This means DEL-BOM/BLR/MAA/HYD/CCU presumably.

After that, SYD, MEL, FRA, and BOM are the expected international routes.



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User currently offlineTW From Germany, joined Jul 2011, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 3):
I hope Boeing stretched out the payments for 100 years.

If I were Boeing I'd ask for 100% as soon as they hand over the keys.

I suppose you are talking about different payments, one being compensation payments and the other one being the purchase price of the aircraft. As tdscanuck mentioned, payment is due at delivery (minus PDP's and compensation credits).


25 chrisnh : You know the word they love: "Disssssss-count.' Of course, no such word exists when THEY are the seller. I agree: Outrageous behavior.
26 PHX787 : Someone told me it may have been a bird strike or debris ingestion
27 WestWing : Was this a public position stated by AI Engineering ? I did some cursory Googling but could not find this attributed to a named AI spokesperson so I
28 KDAYflyer : I was referring to the compensation payments Boeing agreed to make to AI for the late development . I hope they stretch them out as far as possible
29 aeroblogger : Media quoted spokespeople (mostly K. Swaminathan), but he said that hewas quoting AI's chief of Engineering during a press conference.. I'll try to f
30 Post contains links tharanga : to back you up : I have also seen news articles to that effect (AI said they'd wait to see the results off the NTSB investigation), but I can't seem
31 WestWing : If an AI spokesperson (K. Swaminathan) went on record quoting the chief of AI Engineering saying that AI would not accept delivery until the investiga
32 aeroblogger : I don't remember... I can't seem to find the link either... Maybe the articles were taken down on request of AI? Hmm, that's interesting. Let me see
33 WestWing : I did see the report that AI refused to take the delivery until the investigation is complete. It was in a single source - Business Today. It is still
34 Post contains links and images TCX69K : I am curious to know why the Boeing 787 has a different livery compared to the rest of the fleet? I know the engines have to remain white. But the fus
35 aeroblogger : Hindustan Times and The Hindu had reported it as well... I think it was the same PTI report. I can't seem to find it now, so that probably means that
36 WarmNuts : Agreed... given the appearance of the 787 (resulting from larger windows and a greater fuselage width). I think a cheatline would improve the aesthet
37 HAWK21M : They should..... Don't generalize AI as INDIA....There are other operators out there too......& very professionally run one also......
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