smbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 104 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7830 times:
Hello,
I have heard quite an interesting rumor that Ryanair is evaluating possibility to go forward with baggage fees with a additional charge for use overhead bins. In that case Ryanair push passengers to use briefcases/laptopbags/small bags on board only. This could work as small bag remain free, but standard 55x40x20 on board bag to be charged.
I do not take all the rumors about Ryanair seriously, but I got a few strong arguments on Ryanair moving to a charge for overhead bin usage:
- Ryanair management is declaring target to increase average revenue per passenger. Their Q2 report show they did not succeed to increase average ticket price as much as they expect, but increase of ancillary revenues succeeded, mostly from increased checked bag fees. They need to increase average earnings to secure the same profit levels as in 2011;
- Such a move might decrease boarding procedure time, and Ryanair is very strict on that; In some airports Ryanair is now allows duty free bags on board as "second piece" and with full load factors there are some challenges to fit all cabin luggage in overhead bins, where aircrafts are forced to spent additional seconds or minutes on the ground;
- Their Eastern European rival WizzAir is evaluating such a scheme on one route currently. WizzAir said the model works well. Previously, WizzAir moves were to copy Ryanair model in most aspects, so who could decline an idea, that first "big handbag fee" are being tested by WizzAir because they heard something from Ryanair;
- Last, but not least - Ryanair last decade always was innovator in reducing costs and unbundling the product in Europe. Last year they were quite silent with "reducing costs innovation", so we could expect something new from them, as it was "EU Levy", "Mandatory check-in charge", "Boarding pass reprint charge", etc.
I don't see it happening. I think charging for carry-on - i.e., for using overhead lockers and not what can be stowed beneath the seat in front, e.g. a small carry-on - is more likely, as done by Spirit and Allegiant in the USA. But I've not yet heard anything from FR about this.
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vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3595 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7623 times:
Quoting smbukas (Thread starter): Such a move might decrease boarding procedure time, and Ryanair is very strict on that; In some airports Ryanair is now allows duty free bags on board as "second piece" and with full load factors there are some challenges to fit all cabin luggage in overhead bins, where aircrafts are forced to spent additional seconds or minutes on the ground;
Sounds a bit as if everyone bringing stuff on board is doing so without actually needing that stuff and is wasting space. Which certainly is not the case. There is only so much stuff you can leave at home when travelling for longer than a day trip.
smbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7061 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1): I think charging for carry-on - i.e., for using overhead lockers and not what can be stowed beneath the seat in front, e.g. a small carry-on - is more likely, as done by Spirit and Allegiant in the USA.
To be precise that what was I was talking about. Free under the seat baggage, charged overhead lockers baggage.
Birdwatching From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3573 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6640 times:
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 2): Sounds a bit as if everyone bringing stuff on board is doing so without actually needing that stuff and is wasting space. Which certainly is not the case. There is only so much stuff you can leave at home when travelling for longer than a day trip.
Actually, I'm convinced that more than half of the luggage everybody takes with them is unnecessary. I can go on a 2 week trip with a small laptop-type backpack, anything else is just unnecessary crap. If you're on a holiday you don't need those piles of clothes and stuff, and if you're on business you're most likely only going for a day or 2 so you can wear whatever clothes you need, plus a small bag or something.
But have you ever been to northern Africa or India? People take along half of their household when they travel.
Go ahead Ryanair and charge for every pound and ounce of luggage, checked or carry-on. If it helps to lower the fare for those of us who use their brain while packing, I'm all for it.
Soren
All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7771 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6499 times:
I stick to my home carrier who offers fares from 99€ upwards that include everything. I do not have to weight my carry ons before leaving home, since I do not make 5 year plans what to carry and what not. What is necessary to take along is an ad-hoc decision and not subject to planning.
Whatever can be carried on board is done so in order to avoid wating time at the destination. As a passenger I am a paying customer and not a subject.
If low cost carriers want to screw their customers, let them do so, let them find their victims. The phantasy to find new fees is endless. i suggest a seatbelt fee for change.
smbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6363 times:
Quoting mcr (Reply 6): What about people sitting in bulkhead or exit rows where nothing is allowed on the floor?
It is easy to solve. Bulkhead and exit rows are charged, so:
NEW EXIT ROW CHARGE = Existing exit row charge + Carry on charge.
If you are pushed to use exit row as somebody need to be seated there, please use overhead bin - anyway you will have laptop briefcase only as you would not be allowed to pass the gate without "Big carry-on charge".
garpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6325 times:
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5): If it helps to lower the fare for those of us who use their brain while packing, I'm all for it.
Quite an arrogant and sweeping statement to make. Not everyone with a bag larger than yours is an idiot. There are many legitimate reasons for needing a rucksack or roller case. One of them being human decency and the need to clean and dress themselves.
For example, are you suggesting parents do without toiletries and a change of underwear/clothes so that they can carry the nappies, etc for their babies/toddlers instead, or perhaps the other way round?
DrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 105 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5904 times:
How about coin slots like user the locker at the gym?
No, sorry, I just thought about that, it won't work.
However, I am right behind this comment:
Quoting garpd (Reply 12): are you suggesting parents do without toiletries and a change of underwear/clothes so that they can carry the nappies, etc for their babies/toddlers instead, or perhaps the other way round?
I have one child who is now five and the older he gets the less crap we need; when we went to Geneva for a conference and he was 9 months old we took a small buggy, diapers, food, clothing and it was hell on earth. What is more, our flights from LCY were cancelled due to visibility issues (this was August!) and we had to head to LHR, I had a conference paper to present in the morning. Now, we could have gone Swissair, business via Zurich at that, if it was just my wife, myself and my son, but alas we had two others in our party, one of which was my mother in law and would have nagged us to death if we let her go one way and we the other, so we all compromised on Lufthansa via Frankfurt.
That was a real pain in the ass, particular the stewardess on the LHR-FRA flight who insisted there was no such thing as a seat belt extension for children and my family was a ragged mess by the time we got to Geneva at around ten pm.
Now imagine we did that on Ryanair, with a weird routing, paying for luggage and not being able to place a bag overhead of a certain size. In short, we would be stuffed and more than likely end up paying much more for our ticket than if we went on a mainstream airline, which is why I have only ever flown with them once, on a 1p+tax ticket in 2002 (London to 'Glasgow' Prestwick) and even that was overpriced.
I am sure, however, that this is just another gimmick
kl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5517 times:
Quoting garpd (Reply 12): For example, are you suggesting parents do without toiletries and a change of underwear/clothes so that they can carry the nappies, etc for their babies/toddlers instead, or perhaps the other way round?
Thanks for reminding me. I am gonna propose a fee or multiple fees for babies and all their needed equipment. Nr 1 irritation when flying are small kids, who should be either banned or charged heavily for their behaviour, smell and noise level.
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8): I stick to my home carrier who offers fares from 99€ upwards that include everything
Thats your own choice ofcourse, but I will enjoy my 0,78 euro BUD - EIN next month ( return btw.. )
" The European consumer would crawl naked over broken glass to get low fares." Michael O'Leary
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4813 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5517 times:
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5): But have you ever been to northern Africa or India? People take along half of their household when they travel.
In fact they bring stuff one way and other stuff the other way, it's not really luggage. My parents are going to Italy in a few days by car and the minivan will be full of French foodstuff for the family there. They'll come back with tons of Italian food for the family here. It's not just Africans.
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DrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 105 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5219 times:
Quoting kl911 (Reply 14): Thanks for reminding me. I am gonna propose a fee or multiple fees for babies and all their needed equipment. Nr 1 irritation when flying are small kids, who should be either banned or charged heavily for their behaviour, smell and noise level.
Oh not this again; why do some people here have such an issue with kids on flight? I take my lad with me on trips, many times in business using my miles and not one person has had an issue with him or I. My money, my (quite substantal) business, my frequent flyer status, the airline can take it leave it or I use another carrier, it's called the market and I love it.
Ergo, I don't fly carriers like Ryanair, my choice but a smart one as long term, it has saved me, my employer and family a lot of money.
Quoting B747forever (Reply 16): Oh, wow. So you can go on a 2 week trip wearing basically the same clothes all the time?
I don't know whether to go yuck or give the dude a medal!
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9205 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5194 times:
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5): Actually, I'm convinced that more than half of the luggage everybody takes with them is unnecessary. I can go on a 2 week trip with a small laptop-type backpack, anything else is just unnecessary crap. If you're on a holiday you don't need those piles of clothes and stuff, and if you're on business you're most likely only going for a day or 2 so you can wear whatever clothes you need, plus a small bag or something.
Well, most of us change our underwear more than once a week.......
In all this, I was thinking that the next thing will be MO charging to use the overheads as flatbeds for kids........or real small people
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OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24929 posts, RR: 60 Reply 19, posted (9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4836 times:
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5): Actually, I'm convinced that more than half of the luggage everybody takes with them is unnecessary. I can go on a 2 week trip with a small laptop-type backpack, anything else is just unnecessary crap.
Good for you but I hope you wash your clothes during those two weeks otherwise you would stink and it wouldn't be very nice for others around you .
People travel with different amounts of luggage for different reasons. They may be taking essential items for Family and friends or need different outfits if going on a cruise. I certainly wouldn't judge people because they don't all have an obsession with minimalism!
mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2015 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4788 times:
Just found two more reasons not to fly Ryanair (on top of the large number of other reasons why I don't). Some of the passengers there do not take personal hygiene very seriously and have a problem with kids traveling (but probably don't mind the 15 drunken girls returning from a hen's night trip to Torremolinos, making noise and vomiting on board). If the choice of airline segregates child-hating stinkers from me I am all for Ryanair to extend its network.
SyeaphanR From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 70 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4707 times:
I note with horror that Wizz too are already trialling this charging on LTN-KTW...Arrrgh!
I suffer from sleep apnoea, so I have to cart a CPAP machine in my hand baggage (expensive and sensitive device!). I'm also diabetic, so there's insulin to haul (ditto not advisable in hold baggage)...Plus a pharmacy's worth of other drugs, which I cannot afford to lose.
So I have substantial carry-on (within prior limits, but JUST outside the new underseat size), PLUS I consequently do need to check a bag usually as well. NOW I find myself getting gouged twice over!! I fear there's no chance of an exemption! So I am boiling mad about this one!
Ye gods! It's not fun being the inevitable whiney blighter !
DrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 105 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4569 times:
Quoting SyeaphanR (Reply 21): Plus a pharmacy's worth of other drugs, which I cannot afford to lose
That's why I avoid Singapore....oh, you mean medication? Ignore me.
Quoting mayor (Reply 18): In all this, I was thinking that the next thing will be MO charging to use the overheads as flatbeds for kids........or real small people
There is some merit in this....my mother-in-law is only five foot tall, but would the locker/flatbed have a time limit that would lock her in unless I am more money? If it does then I'll only take 50p and have a great holiday...
Birdwatching From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3573 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4350 times:
Quoting B747forever (Reply 16): Oh, wow. So you can go on a 2 week trip wearing basically the same clothes all the time?
Quoting DrColenzo (Reply 17): I don't know whether to go yuck or give the dude a medal!
I carry about 3 days worth of clothes and wash them after that time.
Soren
All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9205 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4170 times:
Quoting kl911 (Reply 14): Thanks for reminding me. I am gonna propose a fee or multiple fees for babies and all their needed equipment. Nr 1 irritation when flying are small kids, who should be either banned or charged heavily for their behaviour, smell and noise level.
I have to laugh at these childless people. Somehow they forget their own history and supposedly they sprang, fully grown, from their mothers' womb
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
25 lufthansa747: Off topic, but plenty of airlines out there who don't use those. They just tell you to hold your baby, sad but true. I can't name them right now, but
26 starrion: "In the event of a water landing, swipe your credit card on the headrest in front of you to release the inflatable life vest under your seat. A 3 Euro
27 mayor: That's great..........you could extend it to this......"In case of emergency, the flight attendant will direct you to an exit, where it will be neces
28 DrColenzo: Or that their old age pension and healthcare will be paid for by the great, magical money tree of generosity.
29 sbworcs: My trouble is that when I am on holiday I like to spend time looking around where I am staying and enjoying myself rather than carrying out laundry -
31 flycro: Why dont they charge fatties more. Think of all that extra fuel they need to buy to haul all of the UK's super morbidly obese population to the Costas
32 HAWK21M: that would be termed discrimination & the airline could get into legal problems
33 EIDL: Well, airlines are allowed weigh you (albeit it only seems to be done for NNR -> IIA / IOR / INQ flights in Ireland (wonder what chance any of tho
34 tonyban: The overhead bin fee is waived if you buy the smokeless cigarettes, bus tickets, rail tickets, lottery tickets, newspapers, magazines, perfumes and (e
35 HAWK21M: Its all about marketing friends.....all about marketing....
36 Dahlgardo: What is the point of charging for carry-ons ? I mean, who is traveling without any luggage at all. LCCs routes mostly appeals to leisure travellers, a
37 PanHAM: I claim a copyright on the following. The RyanairTrenchcoat with several dozen inner pockets for storing of all kinds of travel needs, including the "
38 mayor: Once they started to charge for checked baggage, the charge for carry-ons was to keep people from bringing along half of their house in the cabin. No
39 OB1504: I don't understand how not forcing a customer to pay for a service they either do not want or will not use (carry-on baggage) is "screwing" them. Spi
40 iainbhx: From my experience the other week with a mother and a delightful babe in arms in the window seat. Lufthansa isn't one of them.
41 Dahlgardo: I understand that, but most airlines have rules for carry-ons which they just have to enforce. These rules should be known to most people. Your point
42 mayor: Some airlines have just chosen to not have to bother to enforce them......instead, they make money off of it. Doesn't mean that they'll abide by the
43 kl911: Indeed, that is your choice, as everything you have to pay with an LCC is free of choice. Pay what you use, and I think that is very fair. And yes, i
44 Dahlgardo: Yes, it is possible for some people to travel to other countries without bringing anything. Good for them. Must be very convenient. But again, placin
45 PanHAM: well, first of all, you should not "force" a customer. Customers are those stupid people who keep the company afloat by paying for the service render
46 vegetables2001: Because LCC's and more importantly ULCC's ARE the future for the short haul airline industry, in Europe the legacies are pretty much toast when in co
47 OB1504: Speak for yourself. I can travel lightly and reap the benefits of doing so. I have a scrapbook full of $20 and $40 receipts that prove it's entirely
48 Richcandy: Small children will scream and shout that just the way it is, you could be sitting in first class next to one. What upsets me is that some parents se
49 Dahlgardo: Good for you. You are lucky that you can adapt to the more and more bizzare demands LCCs put up in order to get the benifit of the advertised fares.
50 HAWK21M: Those were the days when flying was a luxury ......
51 KaiGywer: In a way it makes sense. It's faster for the airline to load your checked bag with all the other checked bags ahead of time, than having to either ga
52 RussianJet: Meh, I always take a rucksack that fits under the seat in front.
53 GT4EZY: I'm not convinced this will happen. I am certainly against it, I think it's a step too far. That said, there are contributors who quite obviously hate
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