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Charge For Use Of Overhead Bins On Ryanair?  
User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 204 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 9596 times:

Hello,

I have heard quite an interesting rumor that Ryanair is evaluating possibility to go forward with baggage fees with a additional charge for use overhead bins. In that case Ryanair push passengers to use briefcases/laptopbags/small bags on board only. This could work as small bag remain free, but standard 55x40x20 on board bag to be charged.

I do not take all the rumors about Ryanair seriously, but I got a few strong arguments on Ryanair moving to a charge for overhead bin usage:
- Ryanair management is declaring target to increase average revenue per passenger. Their Q2 report show they did not succeed to increase average ticket price as much as they expect, but increase of ancillary revenues succeeded, mostly from increased checked bag fees. They need to increase average earnings to secure the same profit levels as in 2011;
- Such a move might decrease boarding procedure time, and Ryanair is very strict on that; In some airports Ryanair is now allows duty free bags on board as "second piece" and with full load factors there are some challenges to fit all cabin luggage in overhead bins, where aircrafts are forced to spent additional seconds or minutes on the ground;
- Their Eastern European rival WizzAir is evaluating such a scheme on one route currently. WizzAir said the model works well. Previously, WizzAir moves were to copy Ryanair model in most aspects, so who could decline an idea, that first "big handbag fee" are being tested by WizzAir because they heard something from Ryanair;
- Last, but not least - Ryanair last decade always was innovator in reducing costs and unbundling the product in Europe. Last year they were quite silent with "reducing costs innovation", so we could expect something new from them, as it was "EU Levy", "Mandatory check-in charge", "Boarding pass reprint charge", etc.

Any thoughts on that?

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 9505 times:

Quoting smbukas (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on that?

I don't see it happening. I think charging for carry-on - i.e., for using overhead lockers and not what can be stowed beneath the seat in front, e.g. a small carry-on - is more likely, as done by Spirit and Allegiant in the USA. But I've not yet heard anything from FR about this.



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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9389 times:

Quoting smbukas (Thread starter):
Such a move might decrease boarding procedure time, and Ryanair is very strict on that; In some airports Ryanair is now allows duty free bags on board as "second piece" and with full load factors there are some challenges to fit all cabin luggage in overhead bins, where aircrafts are forced to spent additional seconds or minutes on the ground;

Sounds a bit as if everyone bringing stuff on board is doing so without actually needing that stuff and is wasting space. Which certainly is not the case. There is only so much stuff you can leave at home when travelling for longer than a day trip.


User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8827 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
I think charging for carry-on - i.e., for using overhead lockers and not what can be stowed beneath the seat in front, e.g. a small carry-on - is more likely, as done by Spirit and Allegiant in the USA.

To be precise that what was I was talking about. Free under the seat baggage, charged overhead lockers baggage.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8717 times:

Quoting smbukas (Reply 3):
To be precise that what was I was talking about. Free under the seat baggage, charged overhead lockers baggage.

Aha! Well, perhaps it will. But I haven't yet heard anything about it from FR or good news outlets (CAPA, etc).



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8406 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 2):
Sounds a bit as if everyone bringing stuff on board is doing so without actually needing that stuff and is wasting space. Which certainly is not the case. There is only so much stuff you can leave at home when travelling for longer than a day trip.

Actually, I'm convinced that more than half of the luggage everybody takes with them is unnecessary. I can go on a 2 week trip with a small laptop-type backpack, anything else is just unnecessary crap. If you're on a holiday you don't need those piles of clothes and stuff, and if you're on business you're most likely only going for a day or 2 so you can wear whatever clothes you need, plus a small bag or something.

But have you ever been to northern Africa or India? People take along half of their household when they travel.

Go ahead Ryanair and charge for every pound and ounce of luggage, checked or carry-on. If it helps to lower the fare for those of us who use their brain while packing, I'm all for it.

Soren   



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User currently offlinemcr From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8347 times:
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Quoting smbukas (Reply 3):
To be precise that what was I was talking about. Free under the seat baggage, charged overhead lockers baggage.

What about people sitting in bulkhead or exit rows where nothing is allowed on the floor?


User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8303 times:

Quoting mcr (Reply 6):
What about people sitting in bulkhead or exit rows where nothing is allowed on the floor?

Mr O'Leary says to that....




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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9381 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

I stick to my home carrier who offers fares from 99€ upwards that include everything. I do not have to weight my carry ons before leaving home, since I do not make 5 year plans what to carry and what not. What is necessary to take along is an ad-hoc decision and not subject to planning.

Whatever can be carried on board is done so in order to avoid wating time at the destination. As a passenger I am a paying customer and not a subject.

If low cost carriers want to screw their customers, let them do so, let them find their victims. The phantasy to find new fees is endless. i suggest a seatbelt fee for change.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

Quoting mcr (Reply 6):
What about people sitting in bulkhead or exit rows where nothing is allowed on the floor?

Good question to which I don't have an answer. Perhaps someone from, or has flown, Spirit or Allegiant can comment based on their experiences?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

Quoting mcr (Reply 6):
What about people sitting in bulkhead or exit rows where nothing is allowed on the floor?

It is easy to solve. Bulkhead and exit rows are charged, so:
NEW EXIT ROW CHARGE = Existing exit row charge + Carry on charge.

If you are pushed to use exit row as somebody need to be seated there, please use overhead bin - anyway you will have laptop briefcase only as you would not be allowed to pass the gate without "Big carry-on charge".


User currently offlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8098 times:

Carry on baggage fees have already been implemented by Spirit Air in the US.

http://www.spirit.com/OptionalFees.aspx

Minimum USD 20 for each carry on bag.



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2659 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8091 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
If it helps to lower the fare for those of us who use their brain while packing, I'm all for it.

Quite an arrogant and sweeping statement to make. Not everyone with a bag larger than yours is an idiot. There are many legitimate reasons for needing a rucksack or roller case. One of them being human decency and the need to clean and dress themselves.

For example, are you suggesting parents do without toiletries and a change of underwear/clothes so that they can carry the nappies, etc for their babies/toddlers instead, or perhaps the other way round?



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User currently offlineDrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7670 times:

How about coin slots like user the locker at the gym?

No, sorry, I just thought about that, it won't work.

However, I am right behind this comment:

Quoting garpd (Reply 12):
are you suggesting parents do without toiletries and a change of underwear/clothes so that they can carry the nappies, etc for their babies/toddlers instead, or perhaps the other way round?

I have one child who is now five and the older he gets the less crap we need; when we went to Geneva for a conference and he was 9 months old we took a small buggy, diapers, food, clothing and it was hell on earth. What is more, our flights from LCY were cancelled due to visibility issues (this was August!) and we had to head to LHR, I had a conference paper to present in the morning. Now, we could have gone Swissair, business via Zurich at that, if it was just my wife, myself and my son, but alas we had two others in our party, one of which was my mother in law and would have nagged us to death if we let her go one way and we the other, so we all compromised on Lufthansa via Frankfurt.

That was a real pain in the ass, particular the stewardess on the LHR-FRA flight who insisted there was no such thing as a seat belt extension for children and my family was a ragged mess by the time we got to Geneva at around ten pm.

Now imagine we did that on Ryanair, with a weird routing, paying for luggage and not being able to place a bag overhead of a certain size. In short, we would be stuffed and more than likely end up paying much more for our ticket than if we went on a mainstream airline, which is why I have only ever flown with them once, on a 1p+tax ticket in 2002 (London to 'Glasgow' Prestwick) and even that was overpriced.

I am sure, however, that this is just another gimmick  


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7283 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 12):
For example, are you suggesting parents do without toiletries and a change of underwear/clothes so that they can carry the nappies, etc for their babies/toddlers instead, or perhaps the other way round?

Thanks for reminding me. I am gonna propose a fee or multiple fees for babies and all their needed equipment. Nr 1 irritation when flying are small kids, who should be either banned or charged heavily for their behaviour, smell and noise level.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
I stick to my home carrier who offers fares from 99€ upwards that include everything

Thats your own choice ofcourse, but I will enjoy my 0,78 euro BUD - EIN next month ( return btw.. )


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6658 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7283 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
But have you ever been to northern Africa or India? People take along half of their household when they travel.

In fact they bring stuff one way and other stuff the other way, it's not really luggage. My parents are going to Italy in a few days by car and the minivan will be full of French foodstuff for the family there. They'll come back with tons of Italian food for the family here. It's not just Africans.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7082 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
I can go on a 2 week trip with a small laptop-type backpack, anything else is just unnecessary crap

Oh, wow. So you can go on a 2 week trip wearing basically the same clothes all the time?


You seem to have a very narrow point of view. So everyone has to follow your standard?   



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User currently offlineDrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 14):
Thanks for reminding me. I am gonna propose a fee or multiple fees for babies and all their needed equipment. Nr 1 irritation when flying are small kids, who should be either banned or charged heavily for their behaviour, smell and noise level.

Oh not this again; why do some people here have such an issue with kids on flight? I take my lad with me on trips, many times in business using my miles and not one person has had an issue with him or I. My money, my (quite substantal) business, my frequent flyer status, the airline can take it leave it or I use another carrier, it's called the market and I love it.

Ergo, I don't fly carriers like Ryanair, my choice but a smart one as long term, it has saved me, my employer and family a lot of money.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
Oh, wow. So you can go on a 2 week trip wearing basically the same clothes all the time?

I don't know whether to go yuck or give the dude a medal!   


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6960 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
Actually, I'm convinced that more than half of the luggage everybody takes with them is unnecessary. I can go on a 2 week trip with a small laptop-type backpack, anything else is just unnecessary crap. If you're on a holiday you don't need those piles of clothes and stuff, and if you're on business you're most likely only going for a day or 2 so you can wear whatever clothes you need, plus a small bag or something.

Well, most of us change our underwear more than once a week.......  




In all this, I was thinking that the next thing will be MO charging to use the overheads as flatbeds for kids........or real small people   



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
Actually, I'm convinced that more than half of the luggage everybody takes with them is unnecessary. I can go on a 2 week trip with a small laptop-type backpack, anything else is just unnecessary crap.

Good for you but I hope you wash your clothes during those two weeks otherwise you would stink and it wouldn't be very nice for others around you .    

People travel with different amounts of luggage for different reasons. They may be taking essential items for Family and friends or need different outfits if going on a cruise. I certainly wouldn't judge people because they don't all have an obsession with minimalism!


User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2182 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

Just found two more reasons not to fly Ryanair (on top of the large number of other reasons why I don't). Some of the passengers there do not take personal hygiene very seriously and have a problem with kids traveling (but probably don't mind the 15 drunken girls returning from a hen's night trip to Torremolinos, making noise and vomiting on board). If the choice of airline segregates child-hating stinkers from me I am all for Ryanair to extend its network.

User currently onlineSyeaphanR From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6473 times:
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I note with horror that Wizz too are already trialling this charging on LTN-KTW...Arrrgh!

I suffer from sleep apnoea, so I have to cart a CPAP machine in my hand baggage (expensive and sensitive device!). I'm also diabetic, so there's insulin to haul (ditto not advisable in hold baggage)...Plus a pharmacy's worth of other drugs, which I cannot afford to lose.   

So I have substantial carry-on (within prior limits, but JUST outside the new underseat size), PLUS I consequently do need to check a bag usually as well. NOW I find myself getting gouged twice over!! I fear there's no chance of an exemption! So I am boiling mad about this one!

Ye gods! It's not fun being the inevitable whiney blighter !  

[Edited 2012-08-07 20:14:29]

User currently offlineDrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

Quoting SyeaphanR (Reply 21):
Plus a pharmacy's worth of other drugs, which I cannot afford to lose

That's why I avoid Singapore....oh, you mean medication? Ignore me.

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
In all this, I was thinking that the next thing will be MO charging to use the overheads as flatbeds for kids........or real small people

There is some merit in this....my mother-in-law is only five foot tall, but would the locker/flatbed have a time limit that would lock her in unless I am more money? If it does then I'll only take 50p and have a great holiday...


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6116 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
Oh, wow. So you can go on a 2 week trip wearing basically the same clothes all the time?
Quoting DrColenzo (Reply 17):
I don't know whether to go yuck or give the dude a medal!

I carry about 3 days worth of clothes and wash them after that time.

Soren   



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 14):
Thanks for reminding me. I am gonna propose a fee or multiple fees for babies and all their needed equipment. Nr 1 irritation when flying are small kids, who should be either banned or charged heavily for their behaviour, smell and noise level.

I have to laugh at these childless people. Somehow they forget their own history and supposedly they sprang, fully grown, from their mothers' womb  



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User currently offlinelufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

Quoting DrColenzo (Reply 13):
particular the stewardess on the LHR-FRA flight who insisted there was no such thing as a seat belt extension for children

Off topic, but plenty of airlines out there who don't use those. They just tell you to hold your baby, sad but true. I can't name them right now, but my son flew perhaps 20 airlines below 2yo as INF, and about half had them, half did not.



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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 26):
"In the event of a water landing, swipe your credit card on the headrest in front of you to release the inflatable life vest under your seat. A 3 Euro "vest charge" will be incurred. Please do not share vests. Thank you."

That's great..........you could extend it to this......"In case of emergency, the flight attendant will direct you to an exit, where it will be necessary to swipe your credit card, where an "exit" charge will be incurred and the exit will open"......"No pushing, please"



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User currently offlineDrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5605 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 24):
Quoting kl911 (Reply 14):
Thanks for reminding me. I am gonna propose a fee or multiple fees for babies and all their needed equipment. Nr 1 irritation when flying are small kids, who should be either banned or charged heavily for their behaviour, smell and noise level.

I have to laugh at these childless people. Somehow they forget their own history and supposedly they sprang, fully grown, from their mothers' womb  

Or that their old age pension and healthcare will be paid for by the great, magical money tree of generosity.


User currently offlinesbworcs From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 23):
I carry about 3 days worth of clothes and wash them after that time.

My trouble is that when I am on holiday I like to spend time looking around where I am staying and enjoying myself rather than carrying out laundry - each to their own though.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

Its all about LCC.....  


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User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5456 times:

Why dont they charge fatties more. Think of all that extra fuel they need to buy to haul all of the UK's super morbidly obese population to the Costas .

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Quoting flycro (Reply 31):
Why dont they charge fatties more. Think of all that extra fuel they need to buy to haul all of the UK's super morbidly obese population to the Costas .

that would be termed discrimination & the airline could get into legal problems  



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User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 32):
that would be termed discrimination & the airline could get into legal problems  

Well, airlines are allowed weigh you (albeit it only seems to be done for NNR -> IIA / IOR / INQ flights in Ireland (wonder what chance any of those codes are in the system here!))... next logical step is charging for combined weight surely  


User currently offlinetonyban From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

The overhead bin fee is waived if you buy the smokeless cigarettes, bus tickets, rail tickets, lottery tickets, newspapers, magazines, perfumes and (enter your item here) they're always trying flog once you're on-board !!

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Its all about marketing friends.....all about marketing....  


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User currently offlineDahlgardo From Denmark, joined Sep 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

What is the point of charging for carry-ons ?
I mean, who is traveling without any luggage at all.
LCCs routes mostly appeals to leisure travellers, and leisure travelers would always bring some amount of luggage.
Airlines should expect that, and it should always be included in the price.

This kind of thinking is greed much more that a clever and fair way of doing business.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9381 posts, RR: 29
Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

I claim a copyright on the following.

The RyanairTrenchcoat with several dozen inner pockets for storing of all kinds of travel needs, including the "liquids up to 200ml" , socks, underwear, shirts etc.

After boarding just roll the coat up and place in upper coat bin.

 



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 36):
What is the point of charging for carry-ons ?

Once they started to charge for checked baggage, the charge for carry-ons was to keep people from bringing along half of their house in the cabin. Not everyone charges for this......they have to hope that the pax comply with the rules and that they can police them adequately.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3354 posts, RR: 6
Reply 39, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
If low cost carriers want to screw their customers, let them do so, let them find their victims. The phantasy to find new fees is endless. i suggest a seatbelt fee for change.

I don't understand how not forcing a customer to pay for a service they either do not want or will not use (carry-on baggage) is "screwing" them.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Good question to which I don't have an answer. Perhaps someone from, or has flown, Spirit or Allegiant can comment based on their experiences?

Spirit's implementation of the carry-on baggage charge simply requires paying for items that are too large to fit underneath the seat. Once on board the aircraft, passengers are free to place their personal items in the overhead bin, space permitting. However, if another passenger boards with a paid carry-on, personal items must be removed and stored underneath the seat in order to make room. Spirit's carry-on fee essentially guarantees overhead space.

Quoting garpd (Reply 12):
Quite an arrogant and sweeping statement to make. Not everyone with a bag larger than yours is an idiot. There are many legitimate reasons for needing a rucksack or roller case. One of them being human decency and the need to clean and dress themselves.

For example, are you suggesting parents do without toiletries and a change of underwear/clothes so that they can carry the nappies, etc for their babies/toddlers instead, or perhaps the other way round?

Of course not. I think he was merely suggesting that they fly a different airline whose product better suits their needs. I don't understand the hatred toward ULCCs when customers are by no means forced to fly them.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 14):
Thats your own choice ofcourse, but I will enjoy my 0,78 euro BUD - EIN next month ( return btw.. )

  

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
In all this, I was thinking that the next thing will be MO charging to use the overheads as flatbeds for kids........or real small people

Spirit CEO Ben Baldanza will fit in an overhead bin, actually...

Quoting mozart (Reply 20):
Just found two more reasons not to fly Ryanair (on top of the large number of other reasons why I don't). Some of the passengers there do not take personal hygiene very seriously and have a problem with kids traveling (but probably don't mind the 15 drunken girls returning from a hen's night trip to Torremolinos, making noise and vomiting on board). If the choice of airline segregates child-hating stinkers from me I am all for Ryanair to extend its network.

First off, calm down. You have a valid point, but there's no need to express it the way you have. In the United States, at least, Spirit sometimes competes more against Greyhound than other airlines, so there are passengers who have never flown before and therefore have no idea how to behave at an airport.

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 36):
What is the point of charging for carry-ons ?
I mean, who is traveling without any luggage at all.
LCCs routes mostly appeals to leisure travellers, and leisure travelers would always bring some amount of luggage.
Airlines should expect that, and it should always be included in the price.

I'm a leisure traveler who flies ULCCs often. As a financially limited college student, I like that their business model lets me explore the country for $20 or $40 as long as I can fit a weekend's worth of clothes into a duffel bag, which is what I would normally do (why risk the airline losing a checked bag for such a short trip?). Please don't make me pay for a service I do not want and will not use.

[Edited 2012-08-10 07:31:13]

User currently offlineiainbhx From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 25):
Off topic, but plenty of airlines out there who don't use those. They just tell you to hold your baby, sad but true. I can't name them right now, but my son flew perhaps 20 airlines below 2yo as INF, and about half had them, half did not.

From my experience the other week with a mother and a delightful babe in arms in the window seat. Lufthansa isn't one of them.



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User currently offlineDahlgardo From Denmark, joined Sep 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 38):
Once they started to charge for checked baggage, the charge for carry-ons was to keep people from bringing along half of their house in the cabin. Not everyone charges for this......they have to hope that the pax comply with the rules and that they can police them adequately.

I understand that, but most airlines have rules for carry-ons which they just have to enforce.
These rules should be known to most people.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):
I'm a leisure traveler who flies ULCCs often. As a financially limited college student, I like that their business model lets me explore the country for $20 or $40 as long as I can fit a weekend's worth of clothes into a duffel bag, which is what I would normally do (why risk the airline losing a checked bag for such a short trip?). Please don't make me pay for a service I do not want and will not use.

Your point is offcourse valid, but I'm sure most leisure travellers have different needs.

I cannot comprehend that placing a carry-on (within carry-on specs) in the overhead bin should now be considered *a service*. Airtravel is travel. When you travel, you bring something. Charging for carry-on when you also charge for checked luggage is ridiculous.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 42, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 41):

I understand that, but most airlines have rules for carry-ons which they just have to enforce.

Some airlines have just chosen to not have to bother to enforce them......instead, they make money off of it.

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 41):
These rules should be known to most people.

Doesn't mean that they'll abide by the rules.

[Edited 2012-08-10 08:46:21]


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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 43, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

Quoting sbworcs (Reply 29):
My trouble is that when I am on holiday I like to spend time looking around where I am staying and enjoying myself rather than carrying out laundry - each to their own though.

Indeed, that is your choice, as everything you have to pay with an LCC is free of choice. Pay what you use, and I think that is very fair. And yes, if you use everything the fare might become the same as a legacy airline.

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 36):
What is the point of charging for carry-ons ?
I mean, who is traveling without any luggage at all.

I often travel without luggage. In summer I fly often BUD - BGY just for a day to visit lake como. Also when I fly from Budapest to my parents in The Netherlands I dont bring luggage as i have spare stuff there.

people traveling for work also often dont bring anything if it is just for a day.

So yes, its good to have a CHOICE to pay or not. And like someone else said, you can easily do you laundry when on holiday.


User currently offlineDahlgardo From Denmark, joined Sep 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 43):
I often travel without luggage. In summer I fly often BUD - BGY just for a day to visit lake como. Also when I fly from Budapest to my parents in The Netherlands I dont bring luggage as i have spare stuff there.

people traveling for work also often dont bring anything if it is just for a day.

So yes, its good to have a CHOICE to pay or not. And like someone else said, you can easily do you laundry when on holiday.

Yes, it is possible for some people to travel to other countries without bringing anything.
Good for them. Must be very convenient.

But again, placing a within-spec carry-on in the overhead bin is now to be considered as a service you should pay for is stretching it. Isn't it just a new creative way in the art of luring people with unrealistic fares, they're not going to pay anyway ?

Looking at Spirits fee-list, it is now more expensive to bring a carry-on than a checked bag.
Seems a little absurd to me.

[Edited 2012-08-10 08:57:13]


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9381 posts, RR: 29
Reply 45, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):
I don't understand how not forcing a customer to pay for a service they either do not want or will not use (carry-on baggage) is "screwing" them.

well, first of all, you should not "force" a customer. Customers are those stupid people who keep the company afloat by paying for the service rendered. They should be treated carefully and with respect to enhance the chance that they come back. Unlike cattle, customers have the ability to think and make choices. At least the educated ones. .

Certainly, low cost carriers serve a different kind of customer, who may never have flown, take a shower once a week or less often, change clothing in similar way, etc., They do mnot need carry on or checked luggage, or may be in small quantities.

For those demaning species like me, living near FRA where we do not have LCCs, is a blessing. That excludes the temptation to check try LCCs in first place. It also saves me from the shock to find out that my "cheap" fare turn out to be much higher than what LH would charge me.

I know, it is 99 or 119 or 139 € and i can take along what I like without having to check it with a hand scale.



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User currently offlinevegetables2001 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4455 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):
Of course not. I think he was merely suggesting that they fly a different airline whose product better suits their needs. I don't understand the hatred toward ULCCs when customers are by no means forced to fly them.

Because LCC's and more importantly ULCC's ARE the future for the short haul airline industry, in Europe the legacies are pretty much toast when in comes to short haul, their short-haul networks soley existing for long haul feed and the business travelling community.

Most people who slag off U/LCC are scared about the prospect of losing a reserved seat, a couple of 'free' drinks and the prospect of a sneaky upgrade. i.e. someone else pays for their travel.

In Europe when people buy their own ticket they fly FR/EZY/WZZ when their company does they fly BA/AF/LH.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3354 posts, RR: 6
Reply 47, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 41):
I cannot comprehend that placing a carry-on (within carry-on specs) in the overhead bin should now be considered *a service*. Airtravel is travel. When you travel, you bring something. Charging for carry-on when you also charge for checked luggage is ridiculous.

Speak for yourself. I can travel lightly and reap the benefits of doing so.

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 44):
But again, placing a within-spec carry-on in the overhead bin is now to be considered as a service you should pay for is stretching it. Isn't it just a new creative way in the art of luring people with unrealistic fares, they're not going to pay anyway ?

I have a scrapbook full of $20 and $40 receipts that prove it's entirely possible to pay the advertised fare and not a penny more.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 45):
well, first of all, you should not "force" a customer. Customers are those stupid people who keep the company afloat by paying for the service rendered. They should be treated carefully and with respect to enhance the chance that they come back. Unlike cattle, customers have the ability to think and make choices. At least the educated ones. .

I think you misunderstood my post. I am in agreement with you.


User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

Quoting mozart (Reply 20):
If the choice of airline segregates child-hating stinkers from me I am all for Ryanair to extend its network.
Quoting kl911 (Reply 14):
Thanks for reminding me. I am gonna propose a fee or multiple fees for babies and all their needed equipment. Nr 1 irritation when flying are small kids, who should be either banned or charged heavily for their behaviour, smell and noise level.

Small children will scream and shout that just the way it is, you could be sitting in first class next to one.

What upsets me is that some parents seam to take no responsibility for their slightly older children. It used to be that kids did (most of the time) what mum or dad said. Now we seam to have a lot of parents who are so keen to be friends with their children that they are scared to enforce any form of discipline.

Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 46):
In Europe when people buy their own ticket they fly FR/EZY/WZZ when their company does they fly BA/AF/LH.

I am sure thats the case for many people. However more and more employers are watching what they spend on travel and questioning why people are claiming for full fares from say LHR to GLA when the employee could of flown EZY from LTN. With the question being what benefit is it to the company for you to fly BA rather than EZY or first on the train to MRS rather than standard.


User currently offlineDahlgardo From Denmark, joined Sep 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 47):

Speak for yourself. I can travel lightly and reap the benefits of doing so.

Good for you.
You are lucky that you can adapt to the more and more bizzare demands LCCs put up in order to get the benifit of the advertised fares. The vast majority of people cannot and they end up paying a very different price.

Let me break this to you : it is not travellers like you LCCs make a profit from.
The fare you pay will probably not even cover the fuel cost pr seat.
Travellers with normal travel needs picks up the bill of your cheap ticket.
Is this fair ? I don't know. There will always be some lucky few that can get through the loop hole, but they are not the most attractive customers for LCCs.

The reason LCCs are so creative with fees is, that they need more income than the advertised fares bring in.
They come up with fees they know most people will have to pay, and by time people adapt, they invent a new fee. And as time goes by, the fees get more and more absurd, i.e. the carry-on fee where you actually dont even pay for a service.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 50, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 51, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3911 times:
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Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 44):
Looking at Spirits fee-list, it is now more expensive to bring a carry-on than a checked bag.

In a way it makes sense. It's faster for the airline to load your checked bag with all the other checked bags ahead of time, than having to either gate check or search for onboard space for a carryon.

That being said, I have never flown either NK or G4, so I haven't had to pay it...but I will be flying on a paid ticket on DL for the first time since 2007 in a month, and I am prepared to cough up $25 for my checked bag.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 52, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3895 times:
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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1784 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3533 times:

I'm not convinced this will happen. I am certainly against it, I think it's a step too far. That said, there are contributors who quite obviously hate LCC's and whilst there is nothing wrong with that I don't particularly agree with some of the justifications.

You also have to remember that not all LCC's are like this. Easyjet for example. Whilst I don't necassarilly agree with the £9 admin fee, some legacies also have a similar fee. Other than that the only 'extra' that comes anywhere close to essential is baggage fees. On many of EZY's routes, many passengers are perfectly fine with just cabin baggage and they utilise the generous size and weight restrictions to their advantage. I pack the perverbial kitchen sink, i'm not afraid to admit it but for the short trips away carry on baggage is just fine. To charge for this however could quite possibly tip Ryanair's passengers over the edge.



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