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VIP Movement At JFK? 8/6/2012  
User currently offlineCorinthians From United States of America, joined May 2008, 345 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

FAA's site says JFK is experiencing delays because of VIP movement. Flightaware shows a lot of planes circling around, but none landing. Who's in town today?

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User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6509 times:

There is an Obama fundraiser in CT tonight apparently. He is probably flying into JFK.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

C-17 parked over by the triple hangars made me wonder who was going to screw up traffic at JFK today....is ObamaForce 1 here today (freakin' again)?

  



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
C-17 parked over by the triple hangars made me wonder who was going to screw up traffic at JFK today....is ObamaForce 1 here today (freakin' again)?



There should be a law in made so a VIP (don't care who) cannot disrupt the commerce of theOEP airports, it's ridiculous to foul up a schedule or burn fuel while these type of delays. Find another airport to go visit.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3485 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

I love when guys get mad at Obama personally when this happens,

Same thing happened when Bush came to town. Same thing will happen if Romney is elected.

They have put a huge cone around the President post 9/11 and even before.

And yes, since they copter him around anyway, he should land at SWF


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
I love when guys get mad at Obama personally when this happens,



For myself it's not about the person, it is about the people who make the decision on the airports to use and that is my entire problem with it. Wouldn't care if it was Reagan, Bush, Carter, Clinton, or any other VIP, just find a different place to park the airplane.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

I wonder if they use JFK so that the public can see the Obama is in town and recognize his plane?

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6188 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
I love when guys get mad at Obama personally when this happens,

Same thing happened when Bush came to town. Same thing will happen if Romney is elected.

While this is true, how many times did Bush fly into JFK (I honestly don't have a clue, I would love to see a statistical comparison actually)? I was speaking with a guy that has worked here since this airport was Idlewild Field, and he even said that the frequency that President Obama uses JFK in a year outweighs previous presidents for their full term...he's never seen it before. I never said I was mad at him, he's the President of the freakin' country after all. I am just amazed at how often he comes up here to one of the most delay-prone airports in this country on a fairly regular basis and only makes the situation worse LOL.

I have been on 3 flights so far in my time here at B6 where we were taxiing out for departure, came to a stop, engines shut down, "Folks, from the flight deck, sorry for the delay, the President is flying into JFK, we just need to stop until he gets into JFK on Air Force 1 and departs on Marine 1. We'll be on the move in a few minutes and will keep you posted accordingly." The complaints heard from the customers? They blamed the airline for the delay.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
And yes, since they copter him around anyway, he should land at SWF

That's a pretty good idea. It's a hot shot right down the Hudson to get to NYC from SWF, and the airport is pretty quiet!



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
And yes, since they copter him around anyway, he should land at SWF
Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 7):
That's a pretty good idea. It's a hot shot right down the Hudson to get to NYC from SWF, and the airport is pretty quiet!

Actually to minimize disruptions, and for security, he should use Joint Base MDL. That's what President George W.Bush did when he visited the World Trade Center after 9/11, Pataki and Giulianni flew out to MDL on NYPD helicopters to meet him.

http://consolidatednews.photoshelter.../I00008rDm_7OSR5E/C0000N2ghetZQKw8

According to Great Circle Mapper WRI-JRB is the same exact distance as SWF-JRB.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=KWRI-KJRB

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=KSWF-KJRB&MS=wls&DU=mi



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3485 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5738 times:

"While this is true, how many times did Bush fly into JFK (I honestly don't have a clue, I would love to see a statistical comparison actually)? I was speaking with a guy that has worked here since this airport was Idlewild Field, and he even said that the frequency that President Obama uses JFK in a year outweighs previous presidents for their full term...he's never seen it before. I never said I was mad at him, he's the President of the freakin' country after all. I am just amazed at how often he comes up here to one of the most delay-prone airports in this country on a fairly regular basis and only makes the situation worse LOL."

I dont know about that.

He was in office a good while before he even visited NYC.

However, it is the bluest of cities and hes a democrat. He also had ties here from college. Lived here for a while.

I am sure W landed in Texas cities quite a bit as President for the same reasons listed above

Point being, all Presidents land at Kennedy when visiting NYC. Always been that way...always been a pain in the neck...and they should change that


User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
Point being, all Presidents land at Kennedy when visiting NYC. Always been that way...always been a pain in the neck...and they should change that

JFK is the crown jewel of the NY Airports... we run a tight ship here.



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User currently offlinelxa333 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Lol, there was just a report on nbc how a private small turboprop flew too close to the air force 1. Then they sent 2 f 15s chasing it down to land at a small airport I believe. Obama should stay out of nyc, causing way too much traffic everytime he comes near, commutes at rush hour can last over 2 hours instead of 30 minutes.


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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
I am sure W landed in Texas cities quite a bit as President for the same reasons listed above

Normally for most Texas cities they try to land away from the big airports.
In Houston for example, they almost always use Ellington Field (Joint Reserve Base) EFD instead of IAH (or HOU)



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User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Quoting lxa333 (Reply 11):
Lol, there was just a report on nbc how a private small turboprop flew too close to the air force 1. Then they sent 2 f 15s chasing it down to land at a small airport I believe. Obama should stay out of nyc, causing way too much traffic everytime he comes near, commutes at rush hour can last over 2 hours instead of 30 minutes.

The airport was Islip. I saw the 2 F-15's circling over my neighborhood a few times.



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User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5304 times:

Yes, it was POTUS. He had fundraisers in Stamford and Westport, Conn so flew from Joint Base Andrews to JFK then helo'ed to Westport


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5229 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):
Normally for most Texas cities they try to land away from the big airports.
In Houston for example, they almost always use Ellington Field (Joint Reserve Base) EFD instead of IAH (or HOU)


I remember once that "W" did use IAH, forget why. President Obama has used IAH as well when he went to CLL for a Bush Library event. IAH is certainly closer to CLL rather than going to the much preferred EFD where most POTUS have landed in Houston.



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User currently offlineiahflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5166 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 15):
I remember once that "W" did use IAH, forget why.

If I am not mistaken the EFD runways were being resurfaced making them inoperable.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5153 times:

On the subject of going to alternate airports, Bush flew the 757 into Republic (FRG) once when I was younger. My dad and I went over and saw it and it dwwarfed everything else in sight. When it took off at about 750 feet over my house, it shook the contents of my mom's china cabinet. It was awesome!

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

Quoting iahflyer (Reply 16):
If I am not mistaken the EFD runways were being resurfaced making them inoperable.


If you do have the correct timeline in mind, it wouldn't have made a difference because the B742 would have used the other runway since both main runways at EFD are 8,000'+, plenty of room. Furthermore, they wouldn't have been resurfacing both of them simultaneously, EFD had TXANG ops requiring the ability to launch the fighters.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17):
it shook the contents of my mom's china cabinet. It was awesome!

Bet Mom didn't like that to much!!  



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User currently onlinemax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Just speculating here but is it possible that the manpower and equipment they need to move the President and his entourage are located at or near JFK?
The amount of security around the President has increased exponentially since 9/11 so perhaps it makes more sense to have everything at JFK than to move it around to different airports in the Northeast depending on where the Pres is going. I'd imagine they already have a large presence there for diplomats and other VIP's. Plus they have the screening and customs facilities that may be necessary the people traveling with the president who aren't government/military.

I'd also speculate, based on what I know about the Secret Service, that the Pres has very little input in where they land. The Secret Service probably chooses the safest way to get him to his destination and go with that unless there's some reason to use other facilities.


User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9401 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

When GWB visited Germany they used FRA and shut the airport down for a couple of hours. Instead of using Wiesbaden Army Airfield nearby which has a runway long enough to take the 742, not sure about the strenght, but I have seen C-17s there. Even igf the runwaay surface could not take the 742, why not landing at Ramstein and shuttling around in a 757?

They shut down the roads around WI AAF anyhow as he went by motorcade from Wiesbaden to Mainz. Sztrange decisions made by the secret service and the people planning those visits.



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User currently onlinemax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 20):
When GWB visited Germany they used FRA and shut the airport down for a couple of hours. Instead of using Wiesbaden Army Airfield nearby which has a runway long enough to take the 742, not sure about the strenght, but I have seen C-17s there. Even igf the runwaay surface could not take the 742, why not landing at Ramstein and shuttling around in a 757?

I remember the same thing when I arrived in Madrid in 2001, the airport was closed for several hours when GWB arrived despite there being a military base with a 15000ft runway nearby.


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17):
On the subject of going to alternate airports, Bush flew the 757 into Republic (FRG) once when I was younger. My dad and I went over and saw it and it dwwarfed everything else in sight. When it took off at about 750 feet over my house, it shook the contents of my mom's china cabinet. It was awesome!

I was working at FRG that day and while it was amazing to see a 757 land there (and MAN OH MAN did that thing come to a stop on RWY32 really quick!!!), I heard that the traffic issues in the surrounding areas was a nightmare including the closure of the Southern State Parkway, Rt. 110, Rt. 109, New Highway to name a few. It was still cool to see that plane come into FRG though.



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User currently offlineGolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Did Clinton use EWR? I know Al Gore used EWR a couple of (or more) times and would motorcade into Manhattan via the Lincoln Tunnel, seemingly always timed to mess up my trip back to Hoboken.

User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Obama was not the only one landing in JFK yesterday. I did too.

25 Post contains images IAHFLYR : How did your priority rate compared to the POTUS? Was it EWR or LAX where Clinton got the haircut?
26 Post contains links and images jporterfi : LAX. http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/21/us...nton-while-the-price-took-off.html I agree. The USAF is clearly not against using military airports in so
27 redzeppelin : Why does he even need a fixed-wing aircraft to visit NYC? It's about 200 miles from the White House to Manhattan. Isn't that easily within the range o
28 Mark2fly1034 : Why does Obama use ATL why not Dobbins AFB like 20 miles northwest. He was been here a few times now. Past presidents hardly ever landed in ATL (maybe
29 Polot : That is assuming, of course, that he was flying from DC. He may have have been elsewhere in the country, especially now that it is campaign season.
30 spacecadet : Your questions and answers contradict themselves. Around 200 people travel with the president wherever he goes. What "easier" way is there to transpo
31 mozart : It was Obama landing at JFK yesterday. I confirm because I have i) seen his plane land on 31R and ii) while waiting on the ground for 90 minutes onboa
32 BMI727 : I imagine that's probably the fire department.
33 Mir : Correct. -Mir
34 PROSA : Closing just one of those roads would be a nightmare. I cannot comprehend what it would be like to close all of them. Which brings up a point: are ro
35 PROSA : Why does he even need a fixed-wing aircraft to visit NYC? It's about 200 miles from the White House to Manhattan. Isn't that easily within the range o
36 BMI727 : Helicopters are not as comfortable, not as safe, do not carry the same amount of communications equipment, and are a lot easier to shoot down than th
37 alphaomega : There is a reason POTUS travels 90% of the time in the 747 and not something else - in case it hits the fan and he needs to get airborne and coordina
38 BMI727 : They only filed the flightplan as a Gulfstream.
39 mjgbtv : He was in BTV earlier this year and no roads were closed except for his limo route ~30 minutes before he got on the road.
40 mozart : I would imagine that one of the concerns of the secret service is to keep the president in the air for some time if that became necessary (e.g. change
41 PROSA : It has midair refueling capability.
42 PanHAM : well, if you look at the location of Ramstein AB and the distance to Wiesbaden AAF (I drive that on the road in about 60 minutes) you will find that
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