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Why Is MEA & Saudia Not Included In Sky Magazine?  
User currently offlinen7190jr From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 110 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

For some reason since both MEA & Saudia have joined Skyteam, Delta has not updated any of their skyteam stuff to include the new air lines (at least at LGA) and not in their inflight magazine, Sky. Is this because Delta Doesn't codeshare with them? Or is it something bigger? and if so doesn't all alliance members have to approve new members? Why would DL vote yes and then pretend they didn't join, if i'm correct in my thinking?

Info is appreciated.


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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

ME and SV just joined 1-2 months ago. It'll probably take some time for all publications to include them.


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User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 902 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Delta also fails to have any information on Saudia or MEA on delta.com

As a Delta FF I've contacted Delta numerous times and have been told that for some reason Delta has yet to finalize the details on how many SkyPesos and MQMs you would get for various fare types on Saudia and MEA and when that is finalized all the information will be put on Delta.com

It should be noted that other SkyTeam members, such as Air France and even Vietnam Airlines have managed to work out these details with Saudia and both of them list Saudia as a SkyTeam partner on their websites.


User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting burj (Reply 2):
Delta also fails to have any information on Saudia or MEA on delta.com

As a Delta FF I've contacted Delta numerous times and have been told that for some reason Delta has yet to finalize the details on how many SkyPesos and MQMs you would get for various fare types on Saudia and MEA and when that is finalized all the information will be put on Delta.com

It should be noted that other SkyTeam members, such as Air France and even Vietnam Airlines have managed to work out these details with Saudia and both of them list Saudia as a SkyTeam partner on their websites.


I agree that it is surprising that it has not been worked out as CI and MU were posted the day of or the day after the official annoucement if my recollection is correct. Who knows though, I think DL is trying to be careful due to the "outrage" that was created last year over SV.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4493 times:
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Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 3):
Who knows though, I think DL is trying to be careful due to the "outrage" that was created last year over SV.

More than likely that is the reason why they are not acknowledging SV and ME - they are being overly cautious (and held hostage) to the irrational fear-mongering created last year....
Watch when AR joins at the end of this month, there will be a press release welcoming AR, and AR will be updated in the SkyMiles section on delta.com within a day or two...and how much do we want to bet that there will still be no mention of SV or ME at that time?


User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 4):
Watch when AR joins at the end of this month, there will be a press release welcoming AR, and AR will be updated in the SkyMiles section on delta.com within a day or two...and how much do we want to bet that there will still be no mention of SV or ME at that time?

I agree AR will be updated quickly, however, I am not sure if that is the best bellweather as AR already have an agreement with DL (which appears on the Skymiles earning with partners page)



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User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4399 times:

Can't blame DL. MEA has not even painted 1 SkyTeam logo an one single aircraft.
These things take time.
... so the MEA SkyTeam logo plane might take a year or 2 to materialize.


User currently offlinen7190jr From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 3):
I agree that it is surprising that it has not been worked out as CI and MU were posted the day of or the day after the official annoucement if my recollection is correct. Who knows though, I think DL is trying to be careful due to the "outrage" that was created last year over SV.

This is what sent up the red flags. Even before I was with DL, I flew with them almost every month and made a point to look at Sky Magazine and updated signage after new skyteam members were announced, so I was surprised month after month that this has been official and not even a sign.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 3):
I think DL is trying to be careful due to the "outrage" that was created last year over SV.

"Outrage" over SV? I'm puzzled about this.


User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Saudi Arabia's travel policies with regard to Israel don't go over well in the US. Saudia is bearing the brunt of that. DL will do the absolute minimum required.

MEA, who knows? It's a shame.


User currently offlineturjo101 From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

How I wish politics could be left out of Civil aviation...

Quoting Delimit (Reply 9):
Saudi Arabia's travel policies with regard to Israel don't go over well in the US
Quoting Delimit (Reply 9):
MEA, who knows

Well...Israel did destroy MEA jets on the ground in BEY many years ago...and even recently during the Israel-Lebanon conflict around 2006; they evacuated MEA jets to LCA to prevent the same fate.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

US companies are subject to a series of financial sanctions restricting trading relations with Lebanese businesses and individuals:

See

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen.../sanctions/Programs/pages/leb.aspx

Further Tel Aviv is an important business market for Delta.

Two reasons .


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
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When SV first announced they were going to join Skyteam back in January 2011, Delta issued a press release supporting SV's application:

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1239

And then when MEA announced in February 2011 that it too was going to join SkyTeam, Delta also issued a press release welcoming MEA's decision to join the alliance:

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1291

Then this crap started in June 2011:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-...irlines-saudi-arabia_b_883202.html
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/145183

So this year when SV and ME officially joined, Delta kept quiet and made no press releases welcoming the two into Skyteam, unlike the standard press release it issues whenever a new alliance member joins, such as for China Airlines and China Eastern.

September 2011 welcoming CI's entry:

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1457

June 2011 welcoming MU's entry:

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1398

RANT on:
Personally it annoys me to no end that Delta has chosen to give in to, IMHO, the unjustified nonsense started by certain groups. Air travel is one of the great ways to bring people and cultures together, but instead, Delta's actions, seem to indicate that it is alright to continue these divisions.... RANT off

[Edited 2012-08-07 14:11:14]

User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Quoting turjo101 (Reply 10):
How I wish politics could be left out of Civil aviation...

If we have to believe there is a political motive behind everything then the Spanish, the Chinese, the Czech and the Vietnamese are blocking their airlines from publishing the new SkyTeam members:

Air Europa and China Eastern do not mention MEA and Saudia on their website: (http://www.aireuropa.com/waeam/nl/estaticos/informacion/alianzas.html)
(http://www.flychinaeastern.com/static/skyteam.html)

CSA, China Southern and Vietnam Airlines don't mention the two new members plus China Airlines. China Southern seems to live in the past apparently as they still seem to consider Northwest, Continental and Copa as SkyTeam members. They also claim Mexicana to be a member, plus the unknown airline Italia Airlines.

(http://mercury.csair.com/en/help/faq/08.asp?page=p_6&col=7)
(http://www.csa.cz/en/portal/company/about_us/alliance_skyteam.htm)
(http://www.vietnamairlines.com/wps/portal/en/site/skyteam/)

Why only look at Delta when other airlines are also slow (or negligent) in updating their info?

Quoting n7190jr (Thread starter):
Is this because Delta Doesn't codeshare with them? Or is it something bigger? and if so doesn't all alliance members have to approve new members? Why would DL vote yes and then pretend they didn't join, if i'm correct in my thinking?

Neither of these thoughts I think...

[Edited 2012-08-07 14:14:49]


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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 13):
China Southern seems to live in the past apparently as they still seem to consider Northwest, Continental and Copa as SkyTeam members. They also claim Mexicana to be a member, plus the unknown airline Italia Airlines.

Absolutely hilarious find! That is tragically bad. However, to be fair to CZ they do have this link as well:

http://skypearl.csair.com/en/air2_en.html

That link includes ME , SV and AR (which hasn't even joined yet)

Regards,

Team



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User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2239 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

I also wish that politics stayed out of aviation, but then let's start with SV not being outright discriminating against certain religions, nationalities or genders.

User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Forget the political stuff. DL is just too busy running the world 2nd biggest airline than to regularly update Sky magazine.

Senior member of DL management team was in Beirut for MEA's SkyTeam inauguration ceremony.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

I flew 8 segments on MEA during the last two weeks, the SkyTeam membership is all over MEA...in their magazines at Rafic Hariri Airport...everywhere. I even got to use their Cedar Lounge with my Sky Club card. I didnt get Skymiles with them, but my daughter did, since she has an Air France Flying Blue number. During one of their inflight videos, they were showing the press conferences between MEA and SkyTeam and between Skyteam, MEA, and the Ministry of Tourism. In any case, and through the meetings I've had with MEA during my time in Beirut, MEA is aligning first and foremost with Air France before the other carriers, which makes sense. But its moving along, albeit slowly.


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User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2239 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

And by the way, Saudi Arabian may get criticized for not allowing Jews to travel onboard its planes. But MEA must be the only airline that in its onboard magazine has a page with quotes from famous people on a variety of topics. Featured there are G. Gershwin, some other artists and great minds - and a certain "A. Hitler", with something nice and cuddly he said about arts. Tactless for the least I'd say. What's next? A home story about the life of the Bin-Ladens in Pakistan, with the clan posing and smiling? And don't try to enter Lebanon with an Israeli stamp in your passport, you won't succeed. Ask a certain Elton John, on his way to a concert, he had to fly back and the concert had to be cancelled. Because of an Israeli stamp in his passport.

User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 902 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 13):
CSA, China Southern and Vietnam Airlines don't mention the two new members plus China Airlines.

Vietnam Airlines DOES give information earning miles in their frequent flier program when flying on Delta Air Lines:

http://www.vietnamairlines.com/wps/p...INDdMMDBPRkpCMElJREs4Q09JUkxRMQ!!/

Delta does not have this type of information for SkyMiles

Czech Airlines also shows Saudia and MEA as SkyTeam member:

http://usa.czechairlines.com/en/port...s/ffp_okplus/partners/airlines.htm
http://www.csa.cz/en/portal/loyalty_...s/ffp_okplus/advantages/awards.htm

[Edited 2012-08-08 01:38:35]

[Edited 2012-08-08 01:38:51]

User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 902 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 9):
Saudi Arabia's travel policies with regard to Israel don't go over well in the US. Saudia is bearing the brunt of that. DL will do the absolute minimum required.

The absolute minimum should include listing them as a SkyTeam member along with all the other members AND giving a complete chart showing SkyPesos accrual rates for the different fare types that Saudia and MEA have.

This is important information as some partners give reduced and even NO miles for their cheapest fares...before purchasing a Saudia or MEA ticket it is only fair for a Delta SkyMiles member to know how many miles they will receive.

If Delta has decided they are not going to award ANY miles for ANY MEA or Saudia tickets...then they should say that on their website.


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