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OAG Changes 8/20/2012: AC/DL/F9/UA  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7644 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3E BRL-ORD NOV 0>1.5 DEC 0>3
3E BRL-STL NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.4
3E DEC-ORD NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>4
3E DEC-STL NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>4
3E JBR-STL NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>4

*AC HNL-YYC NOV 0.1>0 DEC 0.2>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.1 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.3>0
AC LAX-YUL SEP 3>2.0
AC OGG-YYC NOV 0>0.1 JAN 0.9>0.6 FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 0.8>0.6 APR 0.5>0.3

AR MIA-EZE OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 2>1.0

AS PDX-GEG JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7 MAR 6>7 APR 6>7

DL ATL-LHR NOV 2>1.9
DL ATL-NAS OCT 3>2.0
DL ATL-ROA SEP 5>4
DL ATL-TPA NOV 13>12
DL CMH-RDU DEC 1.7>1.3
*DL DTW-HND OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
DL DTW-SBN OCT 7>6
DL LGA-RDU OCT 9>8
DL SLC-ANC NOV 0.9>0.7

EI MCO-DUB APR 0.3>0.4

Changes in the previous schedule
F9 CLE-CUN DEC 0.1>0.3
F9 MCO-MSN NOV 0.2>0.1 DEC 0.3>0.2
F9 ORD-PVR NOV 0.1>0
F9 PHL-CUN DEC 0.0>0.2
F9 STL-CUN DEC 0.2>0.7

Comparison to prior year schedule for schedule extension for F9 only
F9 CLE-CUN DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4
F9 CLE-PUJ JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3
F9 COS-LAX DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
F9 COS-PHX DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
F9 CVG-CUN JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
F9 CVG-PUJ FEB 0>0.1
F9 DCA-MSN DEC 0>1.0
F9 DEN-ABQ DEC 4>1.9
F9 DEN-BIL JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.5>0.9
F9 DEN-BIS DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
F9 DEN-BZN FEB 1.4>1.0
Down to 1 rt, pressure from WN/FL
*F9 DEN-CAK JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0
F9 DEN-COS DEC 6>4 JAN 6>3 FEB 6>3
F9 DEN-CZM DEC 0.5>0.2
Thry had 3 last Feb?
*F9 DEN-DAY JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.0
F9 DEN-DFW JAN 5>6
F9 DEN-DRO DEC 3>1.8
Also down to 1 RT
*F9 DEN-DSM JAN 1.8>1.2 FEB 1.8>0.9
F9 DEN-DTW DEC 3>2
Another market going to 1 RT
F9 DEN-GEG JAN 1.7>1.2 FEB 1.8>1.0
F9 DEN-IAH DEC 0>1.6 JAN 0>1.6 FEB 0>1.6
F9 DEN-ICT DEC 2.0>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.8>0
F9 DEN-OMA FEB 3>2
F9 DEN-PDX DEC 5>4 FEB 4>3
F9 DEN-PHF DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
F9 DEN-PHX DEC 6>5
F9 DEN-SEA DEC 5>4
F9 DEN-SFO FEB 5>4
F9 DEN-SJD DEC 1.2>1.4
Another market going to 1 rt
*F9 DEN-SMF JAN 1.7>1.1 FEB 1.8>0.9
F9 DEN-SNA JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
F9 DEN-TPA DEC 1.4>0.9
F9 DEN-TYS DEC 0.5>0.0
F9 MCI-DCA DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2
F9 MCI-DEN DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
F9 MCI-LAS DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
F9 MCO-MDT DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
F9 MCO-MSN FEB 0.2>0.1
F9 MCO-OMA DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3
F9 MKE-DCA DEC 3>1.0 JAN 2.0>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0
F9 MKE-DEN DEC 5>4 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
F9 MKE-MCO DEC 0.9>0.5 JAN 1.1>0.4 FEB 1.2>0.4
F9 ORD-MBJ FEB 0>0.1
F9 ORD-PUJ DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.6
F9 ORD-PVR JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
F9 ORD-SJD FEB 0>0.1
F9 PHL-CUN DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.5
F9 PHL-PUJ JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3
F9 RFD-CUN JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4
F9 RFD-PUJ FEB 0>0.1
F9 STL-CUN DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.8 FEB 0>0.9
F9 STL-LIR FEB 0>0.1
F9 STL-MBJ FEB 0>0.1
F9 STL-PUJ JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3

G4 AZA-LAS SEP 0.9>0.6 OCT 0.8>0.5

IB BOS-MAD MAR 0.4>0.6 APR 0.9>1.0
IB SJU-MAD NOV 0.4>0.7 DEC 0.5>0.9 FEB 0.4>0.6 MAR 0.5>0.7

JJ MCO-GIG NOV 0.6>1.0

JQ HNL-MEL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3

K5 HRO-MEM SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.9 DEC 1.7>0.8 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9

M5 FBS-LKE APR 2>1.0
M5 KEH-YMP SEP 0.2>0
M5 KEH-ZNA SEP 0.7>0
M5 LKE-YGG SEP 0.7>0
M5 LKE-YWH APR 2>1.0

S4 BOS-LIS APR 0>0.1

Response to WN
**UA AUS-CUN DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1
UA DEN-ABQ DEC 6>5
UA DEN-ASE DEC 8>10
UA DEN-YYZ NOV 1.8>1.9
UA EWR-ANU JAN 1.1>1.0
UA EWR-ARN DEC 0.7>0.6
UA EWR-CDG NOV 1.8>1.7
UA EWR-FRA NOV 2>1.9 DEC 2>1.8
UA EWR-GVA NOV 0.9>0.8 DEC 0.9>0.7
UA EWR-LIS NOV 0.8>0.7
UA EWR-MAD DEC 0.9>0.7
UA EWR-MXP NOV 0.8>0.7
UA EWR-OSL DEC 1.0>0.8
UA EWR-SAL FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1
UA EWR-SDQ JAN 1.2>1.0
UA EWR-SXM JAN 1.2>1.0 FEB 1.3>1.1
UA EWR-YQB NOV 3>4
UA EWR-ZRH DEC 1.0>0.8
UA IAD-AMS DEC 0.9>0.7
UA IAD-AUA JAN 0.3>0.2
UA IAD-GVA NOV 0.7>0.6
UA IAD-ZRH DEC 1.0>0.8
UA IAH-AMS DEC 1.0>0.8
UA IAH-FRA NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.9
UA IAH-LHR NOV 2>1.9
UA IAH-LIR DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.6>1.9 FEB 1.8>2
UA IAH-MEX NOV 9>8
UA LAX-LHR NOV 1.0>0.8
UA LAX-PIT NOV 0.9>0.6
UA LAX-PSP JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5 APR 6>5
UA ORD-BRU DEC 1.0>0.9
UA ORD-FRA NOV 2>1.8 DEC 2>1.7
UA ORD-MUC DEC 0.9>0.6
UA ORD-PVD DEC 2>1.4
UA ORD-ROC DEC 6>5
UA ORD-SMF DEC 1.9>1.4
UA ORD-SYR DEC 5>4
UA ORD-YOW DEC 5>4
UA SFO-FRA APR 2>1.2
UA SFO-LAS DEC 9>7
UA SFO-LHR APR 2>1.7
UA SFO-ORD DEC 14>13
UA SFO-PSP DEC 5>6 JAN 5>7 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>7 APR 5>7
UA SFO-TPE APR 0>0.7

US CLT-GPT NOV 4>3
US CLT-LGA NOV 14>13
US CLT-MYR NOV 7>9
US CLT-SBY NOV 4>3
US CLT-SJU NOV 1.7>1.9
US DCA-CHS NOV 4>5
US DCA-CLT NOV 12>11
US DCA-HHH NOV 0.3>0.1
US DCA-ORF NOV 3>4
US DCA-PBI NOV 4>3
US DCA-PWM NOV 3>4
US PHL-AVL NOV 0.1>0.0
US PHL-BOS NOV 15>17
US PHL-EWR NOV 6>7
US PHL-ITH NOV 4>5
US PHL-LAX NOV 4>5
US PHL-MIA NOV 4>3
US PHL-ROC NOV 6>7
US PHL-RSW NOV 4>3
US PHL-SFO NOV 3>4
US PHX-FLG NOV 7>6
US PHX-HNL JAN 1.8>3
US PHX-LAX NOV 8>7
US PHX-YYC NOV 2>3

UX JFK-MAD OCT 0.7>0.6

WG ATL-CUN SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0

These are the former NK slots
*WN DCA-STL OCT 0>2 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2

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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

What does 0.7 means? Is a 4 or 5 x week flight ?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7551 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7414 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-ROA SEP 5>4

Reducing a CRJ flight, with the previous adding of mainline (daily A319)

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-SBN OCT 7>6

Rolling back the extra additional flight that was added last week.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2221 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7139 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
3E BRL-ORD NOV 0>1.5 DEC 0>3
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
3E DEC-ORD NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>4
3E DEC-STL NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>4
3E JBR-STL NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>4

This appears to be a schedule extension by Air Choice One, as all of these flights are currently operated.

I'm glad to see Air Choice One is doing so well. Earlier this year, I flew them ORD-DEC-STL, just to add them (and DEC) to my log book. It was a fun trip, and I'd encourage any ANetters who enjoy logging new airlines and airports to try Air Choice One out!



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 1):

What does 0.7 means? Is a 4 or 5 x week flight ?


It is kind of confusing but 10 is the common denominator showing daily flight. So, 0.7 is 4 flights per week.



John@SFO
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6655 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 1):
What does 0.7 means? Is a 4 or 5 x week flight ?
Quoting legacyins (Reply 4):
It is kind of confusing but 10 is the common denominator showing daily flight. So, 0.7 is 4 flights per week.

Well, let me make it more complicated. This is all done on a monthly basis. So, 0.7 is anything from 0.65 to 0.74. If the month has 30 days that would mean 20 to 22 operations in the month. You could say, "use a week it's simpler". That creates new problems such as 1) the schedule change could be in the selected week and MON, TUE, WED all operate and then THU-SUN are cancelled. It would still be screwy. 2) The selected week could have a Holiday in it. 3) There could be a random cancellation that week to do a charter or something. Besides, I only have the data on a monthly basis anyway.

There really is no perfect way to do it in an automated fashion. I usually look at the prior and next month as well and that helps me figure out whether it is 4/week or 5/week.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6593 times:

Thanks

Anyway I was referring to this flight more specifically

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-MXP NOV 0.8>0.7


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6542 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 6):
Thanks

Anyway I was referring to this flight more specifically

I only know that they reduced NOV operations from 24 on a 762 to 21 on a 762. You could go to united.com and fish it out. It could also be that they moved the date for the Winter schedule earlier in the month. Hard to say.


User currently offlinewarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-MUC DEC 0.9>0.6

Wow. The cuts just keep coming. ORD-MUC has been daily 777 for years. First cut was a downgrade in equipment to a 764. Then a frequency cut. Now another frequency cut.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-TYS DEC 0.5>0.0

Seems like F9 would want to reinstate this at least through December. Christmas in the Smokies is a significant people draw. January would be a better month to suspend this service for the season.



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-SBN OCT 7>6

Surprised that this is happening in the middle of Notre Dame football season. Pressure from F9?



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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-TPE APR 0>0.7

Quoting legacyins (Reply 4):
It is kind of confusing but 10 is the common denominator showing daily flight. So, 0.7 is 4 flights per week.

So, the reinstated SFO-TPE will only be 4x per week?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5734 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 9):
Christmas in the Smokies is a significant people draw. January would be a better month to suspend this service for the season.

I'm not sure it is much of a draw from the epicenter of the Rocky Mountains.

Actually, it appears as dropped in DEC and not JAN/FEB because it was not flown during JAN/FEB this year and thus it is unchanged at ZERO. So far, it has no resumption date after November termination. The MCO service continues to operate. It is probably rotating with the GSO-MCO airplane.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
I'm not sure it is much of a draw from the epicenter of the Rocky Mountains

Maybe not in Jasper National Park/Banff? in the Canadian Rockies. IMO the Smokies Christmas beats out the Colorado Rockies. The exception being if your going to Colorado to snow ski then I agree wholeheartedly.

For the budget conscious If your lodging in Denver it still requires significant road trip travel. from TYS not so much.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7551 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5393 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-SBN OCT 7>6

Surprised that this is happening in the middle of Notre Dame football season. Pressure from F9?

Because last week for some reason they added the extra frequency in October, it went from 6


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6742 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
I only know that they reduced NOV operations from 24 on a 762 to 21 on a 762. You could go to united.com and fish it out. It could also be that they moved the date for the Winter schedule earlier in the month. Hard to say.

Or it could be as simple as a few no-ops around Thanksgiving given that demand to Europe is depressed and the widebody capacity can be put to good use on domestic routes.


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 11):
So, the reinstated SFO-TPE will only be 4x per week?

no it starts that month, see the above comment on why it shows fractions of a frequency.

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
his is all done on a monthly basis. So, 0.7 is anything from 0.65 to 0.74. If the month has 30 days that would mean 20 to 22 operations in the month.

its likely because its not starting until the 9th, they only show 2/3's of the month operating, so therefore, its .67 or 0.7

-m

  


User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5248 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 10):
Pressure from F9?

Delta has 3 dailies to MSP, 4 to ATL and 6 to DTW. The reduction in 50 seat RJ's is probably more likely the culprit. F9 barely started selling tickets 2 weeks ago and the route doesn't even begin for 60+ days.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 13):

For the budget conscious If your lodging in Denver it still requires significant road trip travel. from TYS not so much.

Lodging near the park is cheap compared to flying to TYS and then driving from there to the Smokies. BTW, it's 50 miles from TYS to the Gatlinburg entrance to the Smokies and 75 from DEN to the Estes Park entrance of the Rockies. There may be a closer entrance. I wouldn't say 25 miles is a big deal.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 15):
Or it could be as simple as a few no-ops around Thanksgiving given that demand to Europe is depressed and the widebody capacity can be put to good use on domestic routes.

true

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
his is all done on a monthly basis. So, 0.7 is anything from 0.65 to 0.74. If the month has 30 days that would mean 20 to 22 operations in the month.

its likely because its not starting until the 9th, they only show 2/3's of the month operating, so therefore, its .67 or 0.7

also possible...bottom line, it is fewer than it was last week!  


User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4769 times:
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DTW-SBN goes CRJ900 and DC-50's during Notre Dame Football season so it is just a reduction in 50-seater flying not a reduction in flights.

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 16):
its likely because its not starting until the 9th, they only show 2/3's of the month operating, so therefore, its .67 or 0.7

I'm continually a bit curious about this fraction system.

I would assume that there is there a standard, assuming a flight is less than weekly, and will fly such throughout the month. And I would think than it would look something like this.......

Weekly...... fraction
frequency

1 ……….. 0.1
2 ……….. 0.3
3 ……….. 0.4
4 ……….. 0.6
5 ……….. 0.7
6 ……….. 0.9
7 ……….. 1.0 or just 1

I think that the above would pretty much be it?

And as usual, this is my favorite thread here, I think that everyone knows this by now.......

 


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Quoting warreng24 (Reply 8):
Wow. The cuts just keep coming. ORD-MUC has been daily 777 for years. First cut was a downgrade in equipment to a 764. Then a frequency cut. Now another frequency cut.

European demand is expected to tank this winter, so UA is following all major Atlantic carriers and trimming back frequency substantially. All the big players have cut gauge, pulled back frequencies and terminated service in certain markets. Much of the flying will return in the summer months when demand picks up, but it is forecast that this winter's traffic slowdown will be especially strong in light of the present financial environment.

UA is also rationalizing capacity with its transatlantic JV partners in markets such as FRA/MUC/ZRH where in many cases there is still daily service on LH or LX.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-HND OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

I believe this is what the previous thread was talking about with DL asking DOT to move this slot to SEA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 AZA-LAS SEP 0.9>0.6 OCT 0.8>0.5

Hmmmm NK competition????   



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7551 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 18):
Lodging near the park is cheap compared to flying to TYS and then driving from there to the Smokies. BTW, it's 50 miles from TYS to the Gatlinburg entrance to the Smokies and 75 from DEN to the Estes Park entrance of the Rockies. There may be a closer entrance. I wouldn't say 25 miles is a big deal.

I can't believe someone is still trying to claim people are traveling from DEN to the Smokies....seriously? Especially in December???

DEN has cheap airfare to a multitude of destinations and front-door access to the moutains. The F9 TYS-DEN flight is for leisure passengers out of TYS, period. The demand drops like a load of bricks in the winter months.


User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3754 times:
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Quoting freakyrat (Reply 19):
DTW-SBN goes CRJ900 and DC-50's during Notre Dame Football season so it is just a reduction in 50-seater flying not a reduction in flights.

You're right, normally they do, however it appears (at least so far) that all of the flights are 50-seat CRJ's.


25 RWA380 : I didn't see this coming from far left field. Indeed my exact thought, however each carrier is not flying daily, so maybe the market isn't there.
26 PHX787 : Maybe they're alternating days?
27 RWA380 : Who knows what an airline is doing, except those few in the glass towers.
28 freakyrat : Quoting freakyrat (Reply 19): DTW-SBN goes CRJ900 and DC-50's during Notre Dame Football season so it is just a reduction in 50-seater flying not a re
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : On Sunday mornings, following home football weekends, DL has loading the increased equipment on the first 3 flights of the day for games in Sept and
30 C172Akula : Any reasons why the AC pretty much pullout from YYC-HNL and the reduction in OGG? Is the WS service utilizing chartered 752's hurting them? They annou
31 pnwtraveler : I would think that this route is a prime possibility for the LCC when it gets going.
32 C172Akula : In the back of my mind I was thinking the same thing. But why reduce during the winter season if that is not up and running yet? Or is there a chance
33 whiteguy : Not sure if I'm reading it right but it looks to me that HNL and OGG are running at the same freq as last winter. OGG up to 6 times a week and HNL 2x
34 C172Akula : I can't read those stats worth a darn, but a very knowledgeable fellow in the industry wrote on another forum that YYC-HNL is done except for 5 non-st
35 whiteguy : Looking on the employee website looks like your buddy is right and the numbers here are wrong. There's no HNL after the Xmas holidays and OGG does re
36 C172Akula : I like that it will at least be an XM'd 763 operating OGG, great for the kidlets with kids shows on the PTV's.
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