Anyone have more information/details about this incident? I have no doubt that the note was written with good intentions so as not to alarm pax who could see the repair to the flap from their window. Curious as to people's thoughts on this.
usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 975 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14939 times:
Friggin' hilarious. People freak out over the simplest of things. Next thing you know, a flight attendant will put a sticky on a Kosher meal saying, "We know about this" and the entire plane will expect to be blown to bits.
fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5470 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13405 times:
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 8): I've seen this on a few other 737 NGs--what exactly is going on here? What was cut out of the flap and why?
I don't know much about the NG, but I can make a reasonable guess. It appears that this area is in the exhaust path of the right engine (or is #2 on the NG?). An engine so low to the ground would have a tendency to pick things up and send them through the cold stream. The damage could be from this FOD hitting the surface. What you see here is a result of the interim repair to this surface. Just a guess. Or, someone dropped the flap on a ladder.
And, I doubt that this message is to the ground crew or the flight crew. The crews should already have this information in hand when they get to the aircraft.
This note is a public service announcement to the passengers that see this repair and think the aircraft is falling apart.
How come? Wouldn't seeing apparent flap damage and not knowing if the airline knew about it be more unsettling?
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9): I've seen this on a few other 737 NGs--what exactly is going on here? What was cut out of the flap and why?
They cut the corner off and potted (filled) the edge; standard temporary repair for honeycomb structures that have damage on a corner. Most likely ramp rash but, as others noted, could be FOD damage. It will fly like that until they get a chance to do a permanent repair or replace the flap.
fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5470 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11444 times:
Quoting usair330 (Reply 16): I'm Sure the mechanic thought he was doing a good thing but obviously it got to deep.
Thinking about it a little more, the mechanic probably put it there at the request of some flight crew. That way the passengers don't bother the flight crew with questions about a 'thing on the wing missing'.
woodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11247 times:
Years ago I was riding a DL L-1011 from SLC to ATL, I was seated so that the leading edge of the left wing was right outside my window. There were 6 long screws in varrying degrees of "unscrewed" (??) along a seam just inboard of the leading edge slat. One had to be protruding 4-6 inches out of its hole with the others not sticking out that much but certainly enough! I wish there had been a note telling me that they knew about that!!!
XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3413 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11200 times:
Next time, put a "thanks" after it so it can't seem hostile.
Also a scribble or something like someone signed/initialed it would help re-assure people too, as that makes it seem more "official". Not suggesting the use of an actual signature or intial though as its clearly not proper FAA paperwork.
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3362 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10346 times:
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 1): Replace the word "we" with "Alaska Air" and add "It is safe." or something similar at the end.
Agreed. I can't blame the passengers for thinking this might have meant something along the lines of: "Your plane is going to crash, but it's okay because we already know it's going to, so the search and rescue teams will be in position."
I definitely would've brought it to the cabin crew's attention just to make sure everything was fine.
Tbone354 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10121 times:
Perhaps the airlines should equip all passenger seats with a large red panic button? This could trigger a device to release a shot glass full of vodka which the passenger could consume and thereby calm some freaking exposed nerves. Just a thought. Any insignificant little thing is a crisis these days, especially where aviation is concerned. Beam me up.
pvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9349 times:
LOL, to me just knowing that those maintenance people know that this small piece of wing is missing and have verified that it doesn't cause any trouble during flight would be just calming. Of course they could have written that note a bit different way, but oh well, its better than not writing it at all no matter what Alaska says.
oykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8801 times:
There seem to be a bit of a over-reaction on this note. Even if it is not a standard procedure. There have been pictures on A.net showing wings in much worse condition than this. I once flew on an ATR and one of the wings panels was not fasten on one side. Into the fuselage. It vibrated a lot in the air, but even if the panel would have fallen of the only risk would be that it would hit the tail. The flight attendant got a bit nervous when I told her about the loose panel, and she did notify the captain. The captain continued to the destination. I would actually have like it better if there was a note saying that the wing panel was not fasten and that this was not a mistake. However on my ATR flight, I believe that this was a mistake.
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: Well I'm just so thankful that everyone is alright and made it out of the plane safely!!!
: It is one thing for people on this website (who are aiviation buffs) to think a note like this is OK. I too would have understood it. But take your av
: I think it is hilarious and I probably wouldn't have been concerned because it is obvious that the cut was intentional due to the clean nature of shap
: I know. It was touch and go there for a while... No doubt. The way it was worded could have been taken as a saboteur's threat by someone afraid of fl
: The cut is really disconcerting, but I just.... love their wording. I would've had a helluva giggle fit if I saw that in-flight.
: When i see things like this it makes me honestly wonder sometimes why flight crews now-a-days are so inhibited about making announcements over the PA
: Very well said...and a smart solution.
: Was it for the passengers though? It seems like something they'd put there so it's not reported everytime someone does a walkaround after the plane ha
: Both of your suggestions are exactly what is supposed to be adjacent to the damage. A yellow dot indicates damage that is known and has been dis-posi
: I absolutely agree, but the thing is that for many people who wouldn't even have noticed the note served to catch their attention to the fact that th
: Whats with the dusty look on the aft flap.
: Isn't that the whole point of a safety culture?