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Alaska "Plane Note" Not Appropriate  
User currently offlineMaddogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16100 times:

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Al...g-note-not-appropriate-3769223.php

Anyone have more information/details about this incident? I have no doubt that the note was written with good intentions so as not to alarm pax who could see the repair to the flap from their window. Curious as to people's thoughts on this.

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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21502 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16095 times:

The missing bit that AS should have added was:

Replace the word "we" with "Alaska Air" and add "It is safe." or something similar at the end.

But it was a note for the next AS ground crew to be clear that they already know, not for the pax. Had they written it on the bottom side, maybe no pax would have noticed at all?



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User currently offlineHiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15250 times:

Alaska made a statement today that whoever wrote this was not following established proceedure. I imagine they'll get a good tongue-lashing. Not very smart.

User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14908 times:

Friggin' hilarious. People freak out over the simplest of things. Next thing you know, a flight attendant will put a sticky on a Kosher meal saying, "We know about this" and the entire plane will expect to be blown to bits.

User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14861 times:

I find it amusing, it is nice to see a sense of humor these days but as hair triggered as people are, especially with aviation, it wasn't smart.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14818 times:

Any pics? Where is that "This Thread Is Worthless Without Pics" icon?  


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User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1586 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14780 times:

Maybe if they put a little smiley face on it people would have looked at it differently.


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See, I think that is much better!



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14700 times:

From the article on Gizmodo:

http://m.gizmodo.com/5932310/crazy-m...y-alaska-airlines-maintenance-crew



Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13994 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 7):

Ooooh! I thought a passenger wrote a note and gave to a flight attendant. I was wondering why it wasn't just tossed out and disregarded. This would maybe make me a bit unsettled.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13783 times:

I've seen this on a few other 737 NGs--what exactly is going on here? What was cut out of the flap and why?


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13678 times:

I forgot to ask, just out of curiosity, did the aircraft in question have blended winglets fitted on it's wings?

User currently offlineredtag501 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13500 times:

Better to have left alone and put out a NOTAMs to all crew assigned to the aircraft to make an appropriate announcement to passengers or discreetly deal with individual questions and comments.

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13374 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 8):
I've seen this on a few other 737 NGs--what exactly is going on here? What was cut out of the flap and why?


I don't know much about the NG, but I can make a reasonable guess. It appears that this area is in the exhaust path of the right engine (or is #2 on the NG?). An engine so low to the ground would have a tendency to pick things up and send them through the cold stream. The damage could be from this FOD hitting the surface. What you see here is a result of the interim repair to this surface. Just a guess. Or, someone dropped the flap on a ladder.

And, I doubt that this message is to the ground crew or the flight crew. The crews should already have this information in hand when they get to the aircraft.

This note is a public service announcement to the passengers that see this repair and think the aircraft is falling apart.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13337 times:

Does anyone know the tail number to this aircraft?


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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12503 times:

Quoting MaddogJT8D (Thread starter):
Curious as to people's thoughts on this.

I think it's great. It's perfectly safe, it lets the next ground crew know that they don't need to report it (again), and it should quell some passenger questions and concerns.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 8):
This would maybe make me a bit unsettled.

How come? Wouldn't seeing apparent flap damage and not knowing if the airline knew about it be more unsettling?

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I've seen this on a few other 737 NGs--what exactly is going on here? What was cut out of the flap and why?

They cut the corner off and potted (filled) the edge; standard temporary repair for honeycomb structures that have damage on a corner. Most likely ramp rash but, as others noted, could be FOD damage. It will fly like that until they get a chance to do a permanent repair or replace the flap.

Tom.


User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12349 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 7):


Oh my lord I would have been carried away from the plane from laughter. That mechanic must have a big brass set on him... IMHO that does NOT look like its directed "towards the pilots"


User currently offlineusair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 822 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11532 times:

LMAO I'm expecting to see a report of some passengers that were passing a note around. But this is hilarious. I'm Sure the mechanic thought he was doing a good thing but obviously it got to deep.

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11413 times:

Quoting usair330 (Reply 16):
I'm Sure the mechanic thought he was doing a good thing but obviously it got to deep.

Thinking about it a little more, the mechanic probably put it there at the request of some flight crew. That way the passengers don't bother the flight crew with questions about a 'thing on the wing missing'.



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User currently offlinewoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11216 times:

Years ago I was riding a DL L-1011 from SLC to ATL, I was seated so that the leading edge of the left wing was right outside my window. There were 6 long screws in varrying degrees of "unscrewed" (??) along a seam just inboard of the leading edge slat. One had to be protruding 4-6 inches out of its hole with the others not sticking out that much but certainly enough! I wish there had been a note telling me that they knew about that!!!

User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3393 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

Next time, put a "thanks" after it so it can't seem hostile.

Also a scribble or something like someone signed/initialed it would help re-assure people too, as that makes it seem more "official". Not suggesting the use of an actual signature or intial though as its clearly not proper FAA paperwork.


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10532 times:

Oh dear.
Some folks here and the passenger who got freaked out really have had a sense-of-humour-ectomy at some point!

I'd have laughed my ass off at this. I wanna give that mech a beer!



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3327 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10315 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 1):
Replace the word "we" with "Alaska Air" and add "It is safe." or something similar at the end.

Agreed. I can't blame the passengers for thinking this might have meant something along the lines of: "Your plane is going to crash, but it's okay because we already know it's going to, so the search and rescue teams will be in position."

I definitely would've brought it to the cabin crew's attention just to make sure everything was fine.


User currently offlineTbone354 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10090 times:
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Perhaps the airlines should equip all passenger seats with a large red panic button? This could trigger a device to release a shot glass full of vodka which the passenger could consume and thereby calm some freaking exposed nerves. Just a thought. Any insignificant little thing is a crisis these days, especially where aviation is concerned. Beam me up.

User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9318 times:

LOL, to me just knowing that those maintenance people know that this small piece of wing is missing and have verified that it doesn't cause any trouble during flight would be just calming. Of course they could have written that note a bit different way, but oh well, its better than not writing it at all no matter what Alaska says.


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User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8770 times:

There seem to be a bit of a over-reaction on this note. Even if it is not a standard procedure. There have been pictures on A.net showing wings in much worse condition than this. I once flew on an ATR and one of the wings panels was not fasten on one side. Into the fuselage. It vibrated a lot in the air, but even if the panel would have fallen of the only risk would be that it would hit the tail. The flight attendant got a bit nervous when I told her about the loose panel, and she did notify the captain. The captain continued to the destination. I would actually have like it better if there was a note saying that the wing panel was not fasten and that this was not a mistake. However on my ATR flight, I believe that this was a mistake.


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25 BC77008 : Well I'm just so thankful that everyone is alright and made it out of the plane safely!!!
26 flybynight : It is one thing for people on this website (who are aiviation buffs) to think a note like this is OK. I too would have understood it. But take your av
27 United787 : I think it is hilarious and I probably wouldn't have been concerned because it is obvious that the cut was intentional due to the clean nature of shap
28 ikramerica : I know. It was touch and go there for a while... No doubt. The way it was worded could have been taken as a saboteur's threat by someone afraid of fl
29 anonms : The cut is really disconcerting, but I just.... love their wording. I would've had a helluva giggle fit if I saw that in-flight.
30 NorthstarBoy : When i see things like this it makes me honestly wonder sometimes why flight crews now-a-days are so inhibited about making announcements over the PA
31 flybynight : Very well said...and a smart solution.
32 cotparampguy : Was it for the passengers though? It seems like something they'd put there so it's not reported everytime someone does a walkaround after the plane ha
33 yeelep : Both of your suggestions are exactly what is supposed to be adjacent to the damage. A yellow dot indicates damage that is known and has been dis-posi
34 757gb : I absolutely agree, but the thing is that for many people who wouldn't even have noticed the note served to catch their attention to the fact that th
35 HAWK21M : Whats with the dusty look on the aft flap.
36 OB1504 : Isn't that the whole point of a safety culture?
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