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DL 717 Projected Inservice Dates And Routes  
User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1679 posts, RR: 7
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20943 times:

I know that DL projects adding the first six 717aircraft into the fleet in 2013. Anyone heard a time frame for entry into service? Any projected routes yet?


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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20925 times:

Only thing I've heard (and take it with the requisite fistful of salt) is that the flying will primarily be ex-MSP/LGA/ATL.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7648 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 20625 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Thread starter):
I know that DL projects adding the first six 717aircraft into the fleet in 2013. Anyone heard a time frame for entry into service? Any projected routes yet?

3rd quarter 2013.

No routes have been announced and/or decided. (Heck DL still is changing equipment for October 2012), so the answer is frankly "no".

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 1):
Only thing I've heard (and take it with the requisite fistful of salt) is that the flying will primarily be ex-MSP/LGA/ATL.

Over time they will be seen predominately at ATL, DTW, MSP, and to a lesser extent LGA.

I guarentee the first routes will be out of ATL.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 20599 times:

First base is either DTW or ATL, still undecided. Looking probably around a October 2013 EIS.


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User currently offlineTR1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 20595 times:

I'm looking forward to working on the 717s, despite the probable increase in the number of trips with four legs a day in them.

User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 20528 times:

There are A LOT of DTW routes on 50-seat RJs that are not 50-seat RJ markets.

PVD ALB SYR ROC and BUF all have 4 or more of the daily flights on 50-seat RJs, which are better served for markets like ITH, BGM, AVP and ERI etc.

PVD with 7x (4-5 CR2s and 2-3 CR9/E175) could go something like 3x 717 2x CR7/9

SYR with 5x CRJ could go 2x 717 2x CR7

BUF with 8x CRJ could go 4x 717 2x CR7/9



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4274 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 20171 times:

I think ATL-HPN makes a lot of sense too....




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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19739 times:

Not sure about the first six, but for the whole fleet, pick the highest yielding, highest passenger volume routes to MSP, LGA and ATL that currently have 4-6x CRJ/7/9s per day.

Sample:

MSP-YYZ: 6x CRJ (300 seats)
MSP-CLE: 5x CRJ (250 seats)
MSP-BNA: 5x CRJ, 1x E170, 1x CR9 (400 seats)
MSP-DSM: 4x CRJ, 2x CR9 (350 seats)

Right now, those four routes get 1300 seats per day on 24 airplanes, an average of 54 seats per flight. Here's what the 717s could do:

MSP-YYZ: 2x 717, 1x CR9 (287 seats)
MSP-CLE: 2x 717, 1x CRJ (262 seats)
MSP-BNA: 3x 717, 1x CRJ (368 seats)
MSP-DSM: 3x 717 (318 seats)

1235 seats on 13 airplanes, an average of 95 seats per flight. Even with higher crew costs in terms of mainline vs. regional, that is some operational/efficiency savings.



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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19519 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Thread starter):
I know that DL projects adding the first six 717aircraft into the fleet in 2013

DL will add 16 717's in 2013, not 6. 2014 and 2015 will see 36 added each year. The rumor is that ATL and or DTW will see the first bases


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 19265 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
I guarentee the first routes will be out of ATL.

Agreed, no need for a "delivery" flight either   



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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 19114 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Agreed, no need for a "delivery" flight either

Yes, that would be most convenient. On a more serious note though, I imagine the mods and painting will be performed by thrid party contractors and not TechOps. Have they been doing the work on the MD-90s?


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 19042 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 10):
On a more serious note though, I imagine the mods and painting will be performed by thrid party contractors and not TechOps.

I believe they've already announced as much. I think a story somewhere said that WN was delivering them ready to go into service.


User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18989 times:

Is it safe to say that MKE will get at least a few 717 flights? I wouldn't want my username to lose meaning after YX and FL have moved on.    Also, do the 717 deliveries have any correlation with the DC-9 retirements? Like are they going to swap them out one-for-one or are the remaining DC-9s all staying until the end of next year? I just flew ORD-DTW-ORD last week and I'm crossing my fingers that I'll get one more chance to catch a DC-9 flight next summer.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7648 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18808 times:

The DC-9s staying the in fleet are a bridge until the 717s arrive.

They offset the capacity being lost in September through the early retirement of the OH CRJ-200s.

The remaining DC-9s should be in service through Summer 2013, and be retired as the 717s come online. One-for-one? Probably not exactly but they will start to go again as they come online.


MKE is a definete candidate to get DL 717s. Most likely on certain DTW-MKE and MSP-MKE frequencies.


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18797 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Over time they will be seen predominately at ATL, DTW, MSP, and to a lesser extent LGA.

Fair enough.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
I guarentee the first routes will be out of ATL.

I'm not betting against that. Lol.

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):
Not sure about the first six, but for the whole fleet, pick the highest yielding, highest passenger volume routes to MSP, LGA and ATL that currently have 4-6x CRJ/7/9s per day.

Somewhere on here is a thread speculating on 717 routes. Lots of good ideas, many of which I assume will come to fruition.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 12):
Is it safe to say that MKE will get at least a few 717 flights?

I think so (and MSN, for that matter), but that's only my opinion...



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7648 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18782 times:

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 14):
Somewhere on here is a thread speculating on 717 routes. Lots of good ideas, many of which I assume will come to fruition.

Pretty much any market that is current served by a DC-9-50 (ex-ATL) and those that still saw NW DC-9 service since 2007 is a market that will likely see some 717s.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 18150 times:

I really don't expect to see many 717s at MSP. I believe they will be primarily out of ATL, DTW, and maybe eventually LGA. ATL and DTW have more CR2-heavy routes (DTW especially). There's enough capacity on those routes to replace them with 717s and still keep the frequency at a proper level for a hub. MSP doesn't have as many of those CR2 routes. Most of the ex-DC-9 routes out of MSP have been cut in capacity over the years, not frequency, so plugging in 717s will either raise the capacity too high or drop the frequency too low.

User currently offlinecaleb1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17672 times:
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Anyone believe SBN will see some 717s, or is this purely an RJ market?

User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17578 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 10):
On a more serious note though, I imagine the mods and painting will be performed by thrid party contractors and not TechOps. Have they been doing the work on the MD-90s?

WN is taking care of all painting and interior refurbishing of the aircraft (costing them about $100 million).

Quoting catiii (Reply 11):

  


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17291 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 10):
On a more serious note though, I imagine the mods and painting will be performed by thrid party contractors and not TechOps.

Since WN is paying for the mods, does it get some say in where the work is done?


User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16728 times:

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 14):
Somewhere on here is a thread speculating on 717 routes. Lots of good ideas, many of which I assume will come to fruition.

It will be interesting. And my post in this thread though wasn't to speculate on specific routes ... just to show what kind of *general* routes would provide the kind of optimization that DL has stated they're looking for as the CRJs leave the market. I assume few routes will just go from pure "many CRJ" -> "few 717" ... no doubt they'll be spread out around the DL route system ... but just think of how much operational savings you can find if you use the rule of thumb that 1 717 can replace 2 CRJs. Fewer crew expenses, fewer maintenance issues, less fuel, fewer cycles, fewer landing fees.

Good on ya, DL.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16402 times:

I would bet ATL is first to see them with scheduled service. Most of the 717s are currently located there and it seems like the easiest place to start them, no?

User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16323 times:

Quoting planespotting (Reply 20):
And my post in this thread though wasn't to speculate on specific routes ... just to show what kind of *general* routes would provide the kind of optimization that DL has stated they're looking for as the CRJs leave the market.

I know.

The thread I noted had examples galore of your theory in use. That's why I mentioned it.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15989 times:

If ATL is the first base, I suspect MLB and DAB will get 717 service.

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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15366 times:

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):
Not sure about the first six, but for the whole fleet, pick the highest yielding, highest passenger volume routes to MSP, LGA and ATL that currently have 4-6x CRJ/7/9s per day.

Sample:

MSP-YYZ: 6x CRJ (300 seats)
MSP-CLE: 5x CRJ (250 seats)
MSP-BNA: 5x CRJ, 1x E170, 1x CR9 (400 seats)
MSP-DSM: 4x CRJ, 2x CR9 (350 seats)

Right now, those four routes get 1300 seats per day on 24 airplanes, an average of 54 seats per flight. Here's what the 717s could do:

MSP-YYZ: 2x 717, 1x CR9 (287 seats)
MSP-CLE: 2x 717, 1x CRJ (262 seats)
MSP-BNA: 3x 717, 1x CRJ (368 seats)
MSP-DSM: 3x 717 (318 seats)

1235 seats on 13 airplanes, an average of 95 seats per flight. Even with higher crew costs in terms of mainline vs. regional, that is some operational/efficiency savings.

I don't see the 717 being in YYZ unless YYZ changes the way they charge landing fees.

Also, the number of seats flying into a particular airport are only relevant if they are full.



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25 blueman87 : would be nice to see mainline at HPN
26 freakyrat : Quoting Caleb1 Anyone believe SBN will see some 717s, or is this purely an RJ market? SBN is not purely an RJ market. They will definitely see 717's o
27 briboy : Or, have the 717s replace CR9s, roll the CR9s to replace CR7s, and then have the CR7s replace the CRJs. In this example, 5 CR7s would give you 325 se
28 MD-90 : I hope we get to see them at HSV.
29 FWAERJ : Both SBN and FWA have 9E MX bases (with FWA's being slightly larger), so I see it this way: 1) If 9E gets at least some of the 76-seat flying, SBN an
30 Max Q : How many are they getting altogether ?
31 PA727 : Would love to know if there's any chance of seeing them exXNA to either ATL or DTW. My gut says no, but seeing another mainline bird besides AA at XNA
32 erj170 : Hmmm... I am wondering if they will show up on RDU - DTW / MSP / LGA / BOS.... Not sure what other routes it could be on from RDU..
33 B757forever : Getting 88 frames from SWA. Ed Bastian said yesterday that threre are approximately 20 more available elsewhere and it's a good possibility they too
34 DeltaL1011man : ATL and/or DTW. I expect ATL will be first with DTW fallowing very shortly after. (ie next AE) one can only dream. im sure they will be in charge or
35 capitalflyer : I agree with everything said here. On football weekends, you might see 2x 717 instead of a 1x DC-9 like has happened in the past to both increase cap
36 FLDude : I wonder if Delta will keep the registration numbers the same - ie, N9XXAT. I'm asking since the N numbers are the same for the DC9-50s. I was privile
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : Doubtful. The likes of YYZ and YUL will continue to be CR7 and CR9 city. Even with the DC9s being in the fleet for almost 4 years now they never got
38 DeltaL1011man : unlikely they change. Delta, unlike other airlines, could care less. aka ship number I think the 717 will be just like the 90. Large at DTW (for the
39 Yukon880 : Food for thought... I just wonder what they may have in mind for the sequence of ship numbers. A range of 95xx numbers would be a nice tribute to the
40 PSU.DTW.SCE : ATL is mostly going to get 717s to replace the existing DC-9 flying and some additional 76 seat flying to balance out the reductions in 50 seat flying
41 flyinryan99 : I was just thinking of this, if they do end up putting a decent amount of 717s in DTW, is there enough slack in the A gates to absorb all of these ex
42 NWAESC : I'm surprised that there's no M/L service to YYZ, but I guess I shouldn't be, especially out of LGA (or as part of the expansion), given the codeshar
43 planespotting : Definitely - you can get the same flight reductions by spreading the planes out across the system as you could in my small example. Whether you reduc
44 PSU.DTW.SCE : The DTW facility is highly underutilized in comparision to its potential capacity. As it is now: Concourse A: - The north side of A Concourse has at
45 Cubsrule : IIRC, pre-merger, Concourse A was entirely mainline except for the SF3 Canada arrivals which parked on the tarmac at a single international gate (A44
46 KaiGywer : Correct. And then that Saab would be moved to B/C for the next departure
47 freakyrat : Quoting Capitalfler Reply 35, posted Wed Aug 8 2012 21:51:22 your local time (14 hours 34 minutes 46 secs ago) and read 3120 times: I think that it wo
48 syncmaster : The last month of so they're been pretty good, I just booked a r/t to LAX for $315. At the beginning of the summer they were averaging closer to $500
49 southwest737500 : CLT,GSO,MYR,DAB,CHS,MLB,XNA,TUL,JAX,ILM etc...
50 PSU.DTW.SCE : SBN & FWA are likely farther down the list in terms of priority for getting a 717. SBN and FWA really are not the highest priority for DL. As it
51 falstaff : Back when Messaba had ARJ-85s they also used the A gates. I flew DTW-STL a few times on the ARJ and it was always from the A gates. I would not be su
52 Post contains images FWAERJ : Especially if Pinnacle gets some of the 76-seat flying. As some have stated, 9E has MX bases at both FWA and SBN. First they need to replace the DC-9
53 Post contains images GSPSPOT : Bodes well for GSP then! We already get a good mix of DC9, MD88, CR7 & CR9 throughout the week, with the odd 738 thrown in once in a while.
54 PSU.DTW.SCE : No DC-9s currently in STL. STL does see a lot of MD88 & MD90 from ATL and MSP.
55 widget1580 : Correct me if I am wrong but I believe 9E closed the MX SBN base a while ago. But SBN will not see a 717 before the CR7/9's make an appearance.
56 freakyrat : The 9e MX base at SBN closed and was moved to FWA. CR7's have been in regular service in SBN in the past and CR9's have been in SBN during ND Football
57 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : One of the reasons Northwest Airlines kept the DC-9-30 so long was that it was used secure what Northwest called it's heartland. It worked. The 717 is
58 Cubsrule : It's actually the closer to the length of a -30. The -30 is 119 feet and change, the 712 120 feet and change and the -40 124 feet and change.
59 DeltaL1011man : It will have its own pilots and has completely different engines. so its it own fleet, but it will still be at least 88 of them compared to new plane
60 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Presumably, ATL and DTW will be 1 and 2 for the 717 bases. For a non-hub location, I expect ORD to receive a high percentage of 717 departures. ATL, D
61 burnsie28 : I think what he is referring to is the seating capacity, which will be within a couple of seats of the D94
62 TrijetsRMissed : Either way it's incorrect. The 717 is 124 ft vs 125 ft 7 in for the D94.
63 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : The MD-90 uses the IAE V2500 engine which is offered on the Airbus A319 and A320 aircraft. The MD-95 which became the Boeing 717 uses the BMW Rolls-R
64 KDAYflyer : It's actually a DC9-30 fuselage, a 40's wings and an MD 87 tail with RR engines. I would almost put money on the 717 being used in DAY. FL used it he
65 burnsie28 : Supposidly (as of now) the 717 will be its own group and not mixed in with the -90 pilots.
66 B757forever : I cannot see the FAA allowing pilots to be qualified on both a glass and non-glass cockpit aircraft. Too many differences. The 717 will be operated a
67 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'm not really sure what you are trying to argue... The 717 will be a seperate pilot group per the contract with the pilot's union. Its not about com
68 FlyASAGuy2005 : With the new contract they'll be two separate bid groups and categories.
69 PSU.DTW.SCE : Whats the rationale behind changing it?
70 FlyingSicilian : What are the chances of DL 717s on ATL-HOU ? any real chance you think?
71 TLHFLA : That would be a perfect route for it! I could see it ATL-HOU and ATL-IAH.
72 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Didn't I correct you in a another thread? I suggest you take notes. Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 40): Actually the 717 is a DC-9 30 fuselage, 9-40 wing a
73 burnsie28 : Actually it used to be that way, now its one group, one pay scale.
74 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : I appologize Chris is right. Right now you can fly both but they are different rates and in the new contract they're paid the same and you fly both i
75 PHX787 : Given CVG stays as a hub status, what routes could the 717 run from there? ORD?
76 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Umm...Atlanta
77 HermansCVR580 : What about MEM? Could be also be a good aircraft for what is left of the MEM hub.
78 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : No they wont. The M88/M90 and 717 will have two completely separate pilots groups. which makes them different. Also the cockpit(as of now) will be co
79 Post contains links and images PC12Fan : Saw this on aviation-designs.net.... http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00015340 Pretty sharp looking 717 if you ask me.
80 United_fan : I'm hoping they put them on ROC-DTW , ROC-LGA,ROC-JFK and ROC-ATL. NW used to run DC9's to DTW from here.With NYC congestion being what it is,it would
81 DeltaL1011man : i don't think you'll see them JFK-ROC. Wouldn't hold my breath on LGA-ROC. I do think ATL/DTW-ROC are likely IMO. I expect to end up seeing them on a
82 United_fan : They would go great into secondary Florida cities,like DAB and such.[Edited 2012-08-11 09:04:25]
83 United_fan : I agree . Though I will miss the special FL schemed 717's . I wonder if DL will keep the -AT suffixes. And the -JL one .
84 burnsie28 : I forget who said it when the deal was signed, but it was mentioned that the 717 would make MEM a more profitable hub.
85 burnsie28 : Somewhat correct, the engines wont be blue and there are some other things that are a little off.
86 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : NWAROOSTER, I'm in agreement with you. The 717 is closest in size to the D94. Different flightdecks and engines, but lots of common parts and systems
87 gigneil : Dear god why does this keep coming up? They are the SAME TYPE. Any DC-9 driver with a 3 day differences course can fly it. NS
88 FlyingSicilian : it would be cool to see them at HOU for sure. You think IAH-ATL also? I would think they might bring in something bigger unless they want more freqs.
89 burnsie28 : If that was the case why not have the 9/88/90 pilots fly all of them instead of being separated?
90 questions : I have always thought the shape of the blue belly to be odd. Does anyone else think this also??
91 FlyASAGuy2005 : DL does not change registration numbers. Whatever it is right now with DL is what it'll be when it transfers over to DL. And i'm pretty sure someone
92 KDAYflyer : Interesting. I will try to remember that information. Many thanks.
93 Post contains images vatveng : Agreed. And the engines are blue on AirTran, they'd look great in Delta's darker blue IMO, the BR715 is too big to just blend in with the fuselage. S
94 sancho99504 : I hope this will bring two class service on msp-okc as cr2s are wfu..... I love the idea of dl getting more two-class aircraft, but its getting harder
95 okie73 : The decision has already been made. The 717 will be a seperate category at Delta. The 757/767 are flown in a seperate category from the 767-400. The
96 KDAYflyer : I would almost be willing to bet you will see them in service on DAY-ATL and DAY-MCO. Airtran flew these birds very successfully on these routes for y
97 SkyTeamTriStar : True....add LGA to the list. Per Flt. Ops
98 DeltAirlines : 0% chance Delta does DAY-MCO. Not happening on any plane wearing the widget now that the DL focus city at MCO has been pulled down to only flying to
99 The777Man : Hi Any chance they may fly some out west ? LAX-SFO, LAX-LAS are markets where DL currently flies CR9s and could easily put 717s on there although a bi
100 KDAYflyer : 4 CRJ flights are far less profitable than 2x 717 flights. I honestly don't understand the logic, especially where a hub like MSP is concerned. I was
101 FlyASAGuy2005 : I HIGHLY doubt it. DL does not route a/c that way for various reasons. They try to isolate anything irregular happening down to a particular route pa
102 DeltAirlines : Not necessarily. There likely isn't a whole heck of a lot local traffic between Dayton and Minneapolis. That market relies on the strength of connect
103 DTWPurserBoy : The 717 would fill a lot of holes--PHF to JFK, DTW, LGA, MEM and DTW to RIC, PHF, ORF, CLT, RDU--it's a very versatile airplane. The local papers here
104 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : The perfect replacement for a regional jet in smaller markets is a Turbo Prop. They can cost less to operate and do not take any real time longer to f
105 FlyASAGuy2005 : Horizon doesn't but Alaska sees some benefit to the jets. OO is operating several CR7s on behalf of Alaska as "Alaska SkyWest"
106 Schweigend : Great! LGA could really blossom for Delta if they make it a place where pax know they'll be flying a mainline 717 instead of the usual RJ or prop.
107 DeltaL1011man : No 717s going west. ATL/DTW/MSP will be the biggest homes, fallowed by NYC because when you cut back to 2x you loose connection opps. Don't look for
108 Cubsrule : Where there's some potential for "CRJ routes" to go 717 is on routes with tons of CRJ capacity, like BNA-MSP, which is 5 CRJs, 2 E75s and a CR9 today
109 PSU.DTW.SCE : Exactly. Many people are getting all excited, that "hey XXX gets a few CRJs, that means they are going to get 717s" That just isn't really plausable.
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