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New Frontier/Republic Thread Part 37  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20883 times:
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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20875 times:

Just missed the cutoff...


From the just-closed thread:
Quoting stlgph (Reply 215):
Trenton, NJ now appears on the route map.

Holy cow! That's outta nowhere. Fairly close to ABE at that, not to mention PHL, then again they dropped EWR (via Midwest). Would like them to connect the dot to DEN if possible.


Quoting nkops (Reply 216):
TSA will have to set up shop at TTN now as I believe there is no sked service there

There was scheduled service as recent as a few years ago, I think. There is a regular airline terminal, though small. TTN served as one of Shuttle America's first cities and of course, it was HQ for Eastwind, but that was prior to 2001.

-Rampart


User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20860 times:

Here is the schedule. It looks like it will operate twice a week on Monday and Friday starting on November 16.

FLIGHT DATE SEGMENT DPTR ARVL MLS EQP ELPD MILES SM
1 F9 316 16NOV MCO TTN 725A 950A 319 2.25 890 N
2 F9 317 16NOV TTN MCO 1030A 105P 319 2.35 890 N


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20835 times:

In the past when TTN had service, it was usually ACY agents that went to TTN for screening... They did this in ILG also

I wonder if the screening equip is still there though



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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20802 times:

With the TTN service, this puts F9 at 38 flights per week this winter at MCO. Too bad it looks like DSM isn't coming back. But at least OMA got upgraded to the Airbus.


Good goes around!
User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20746 times:

F9's Facebok post said destinations in 6 states, 2 states being new to F9. So, it is possible we might only see one more announcement from F9 this week.

We are up to 5 states now (Colorado, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida and New Jersey). My fingers were crossed for CRW but that seems unlikely since F9 doesn't serve West Virginia now and North Carolina and New Jersey are the 2 states that F9 will be new to. Hopefully, I'll be surprised with a few more route announcements this week, but it appears we might only get one more. COS - LAS maybe?


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20744 times:

TTN to a certain extent also gives residents of the State of Delaware another option besides PHL to the south and EWR to the north. For now Delaware remains shutout as the only state without regularly scheduled commercial aviation service. If memory serves me Trenton is also in close proximity to the Fort Dix Army base and McGuire AFB.

Because F9 serves EWR; according to my count leaves 2 existing routes/states and one new state. The second new state if the pattern continues should be announced tomorrow; existing-new-existing-new? In true A-net fashion I had a weird dream/though last night of GPT as the other new market and Mississippi would be a new State. GPT sits roughly halfway between MSY and MOB with a catchment area of three states.

Not in this round of announcements; I was thinking about MOB-CUN for the Apple side. CUN is almost a straight shot due south of MOB. Apple of course would most likely be the primary driver in that sort of route announcement. A due south route should take the aircraft off the west bank of Cuba. To my knowledge all U.S. aviation has to avoid Cuban airspace without clearance. The new Airbus facility when it comes on line might be a driver for MOB.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20736 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 3):
We are up to 5 states now (Colorado, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida and New Jersey)

I'm not counting it that way. I understood the four existing markets solely on the destination side not the origin side. Time will tell.



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User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20720 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 6):
Because F9 serves EWR; according to my count leaves 2 existing routes/states and one new state.

F9 no longer serves EWR, at least according to their route map. I believe they pulled service earlier this year. I guess this means New Jersey is the 2nd new state?


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20637 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 8):
F9 no longer serves EWR, at least according to their route map

My bad. As pixels go I assumed/understood that dot on the route map to be EWR. When in fact if you point at it, it is LGA. It does appear to be on the NJ side and about where EWR would be. http://www.frontierairlines.com/plan-book/routes-schedules/route-map.



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User currently offlinen917me From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 726 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20636 times:

I wish they would serve my old state of Delaware. I believe DL and Skybus served Wilmington for a very short time. Really Wilmington is the only airport in.DE that could support scheduled service, the only other place would be Dover AFB, which would.be great for all those in lower DE and the Maryland shore.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 20594 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 7):

I went back and re-read the Facebook page; it states "Next week we’ll announce new routes with destinations in six states - two of which are NEW"

The sea lawyer in me interpreted destinations" to be six additional destinations; four in existing States and two in new States. The origin airport did not enter the count/equation in my mind.

The armchair route planner in me could be swayed into thinking a new route to be a city pair which constitutes a origin and destination airport. My brain hurts!



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2640 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 20576 times:

So now I believe that the F9 n/s routes to/from MCO are DEN, COS, MCI, DSM, MSN, BMI, MKE, TYS, GSO, MDT, ABE and TTN. (any corrections appreciated here)

However, with these less than weekly flights, I would think that MCO sees an average of about 5 or so in and 5 or so out F9 flights per day with 12 destinations.

Would anyone think that Apple Vacations would somehow eventually work their way in here, or that F9/Apple will become symbiotic with this, in the way that they are doing with the Mexico/Caribbean destinations? Maybe not going so far as to 'charter' the whole plane, but at least work with package deals?

And now of course the possibilities with dot connection appear, and DEN to/from ORD/CVG/CLE/PIT/BWI/ABE/TTN certainly are now more possible, and maybe get some $$$$ with re-positions.

Quoting mariner (Reply 213):
I'm not sure they would include Jamaica as a "state" but - maybe.

Details.... details......

I have yet to experience Montego Bay, so if they do, and maybe if the low intro fares are right, maybe time to dig out the swim trunks and sun screen, eh?

 


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20505 times:

DSM-MCO is not returning this winter so it'll be 11 destinations

User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20504 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 6):
State of Delaware another option besides PHL to the south and EWR to the north.

Your geography lobe is off today, Gent.   Both PHL and EWR are north of Delaware. Delaware has BWI to the southwest or west, if that's what you meant, which is closer than EWR. But I agree, TTN could be an option for northern Delaware, it's a short jaunt up to TTN, but not much shorter than to BWI.

-Rampart


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 975 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20484 times:

F9 just posted on Facebook that, "We've still got one more route to announce tomorrow."

User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20472 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 15):

So they must have included MCO and DEN in the six cities



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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20468 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 12):
So now I believe that the F9 n/s routes to/from MCO are DEN, COS, MCI, DSM, MSN, BMI, MKE, TYS, GSO, MDT, ABE and TTN. (any corrections appreciated here)

No MCI or DSM this season unfortunately   As of today's announcement, they'll have 38 weekly flights to 11 destinations. Wednesday will be the peak with 7 flights, while Tuesday will be the minimum with 4 flights. Everything else has 5 or 6 flights. This winter, also, all MCO flying will be Airbus, no E90s in MCO this year.



Good goes around!
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2640 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 20412 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 17):
No MCI or DSM this season unfortunately   As of today's announcement, they'll have 38 weekly flights to 11 destinations. Wednesday will be the peak with 7 flights, while Tuesday will be the minimum with 4 flights. Everything else has 5 or 6 flights. This winter, also, all MCO flying will be Airbus, no E90s in MCO this year.

Thank you kindly for that......

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 15):
F9 just posted on Facebook that, "We've still got one more route to announce tomorrow."

and who knows, the above can still change again after tomorrow's announcement, eh?


 


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20309 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 14):
Delaware has BWI to the southwest or west

A brain fart I suppose. Yes I meant to write BWI to the South and west. I had the New Jersey coastline from Atlantic City down to Cape May and knew PHL was closest largest airport. Thanks for keeping me in   



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24654 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20206 times:
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Quoting rampart (Reply 1):
Trenton, NJ now appears on the route map.

Knock me down with a feather.

I thought AZA was very interesting, GSO okay if not inspiring, but TTN scratches more than one itch. I've only ever been to Trenton once - dinner with a crazy art professor from Princeton - so I know three tenths of sweet f.a. about it.

No reason why it can't work and I assume (?) Frontier is cushioned by revenue guarantees. It surely taps into that north-east/Florida corridor and there is the proximity of Princeton to consider.

I assume the biggest problem will be to persuade people that there is service at TTN. I'll be following this one with more than usual interest.

 

mariner



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User currently offlinemikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20147 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 16):
So they must have included MCO and DEN in the six cities

Six states. So Colorado, Arizona, New Jersey, Florida, and North Carolina. Meaning:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 15):
F9 just posted on Facebook that, "We've still got one more route to announce tomorrow."

Which will be in a state not Colorado, Arizona, New Jersey, Florida, or North Carolina. My guess is either a DEN route for one of the eastern cities with only MCO service (ABE maybe) or an MCO route for a city that already has DEN service (PHF?).


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20101 times:

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 21):


Six states. So Colorado, Arizona, New Jersey, Florida, and North Carolina. Meaning:

After the shock of TTN, I wonder if there's a chance for ILG?



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20071 times:

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 21):
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 15):
F9 just posted on Facebook that, "We've still got one more route to announce tomorrow."

Which will be in a state not Colorado, Arizona, New Jersey, Florida, or North Carolina. My guess is either a DEN route for one of the eastern cities with only MCO service (ABE maybe) or an MCO route for a city that already has DEN service (PHF?).

Frontier really seems to be willing to try anything right now. Its a bold strategy but i love it, at least they are trying some new stuff and things outside of Denver! I am going to guess its LAS related

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
No reason why it can't work and I assume (?) Frontier is cushioned by revenue guarantees. It surely taps into that north-east/Florida corridor and there is the proximity of Princeton to consider.

I cant imagine they got a revenue guarantee for twice ish a week TTN service since the airport is owned by the county and its a vacation route with little business benefit. Maybe some reduced fees the typical new airline stuff. I would certainly like to find out but i think we will know since its county owned and nj tends to make alot of this stuff public.

I think frontier is just really trying to see if they can find some unique and crazy markets that work and print cash competition free. Frontier knows it needs some routes other than Denver and seems to be interested in making the allegiant model work or at least try. It will either accelerate frontiers slow denver only painful death or the bold moves will allow it to have a chance to make some money consistently for a chance of long term survival. Frontier needs to do something to give some faith in the airline, so they can borrow at reasonable rates etc etc. I think they see the allegiant model and think its their best chance of long term survival for whatever reason

[Edited 2012-08-08 15:15:08]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24654 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20051 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 23):
I cant imagine they got a revenue guarantee for twice ish a week TTN service since the airport is owned by the state and its a vacation route with little business benefit. Maybe some reduced fees the typical new airline stuff. I would certainly like to find out but i think we will know since its state owned.

I wouldn't take on a virtually empty airport without some help from someone. What TTN wants is traffic at TTN, so I'd expect "help."

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 23):
It will either accelerate frontiers slow denver only painful death or the bold moves will allow it to have a chance to make some money consistently for a chance of long term survival.

I don't see a slow or painful death at Denver.

mariner



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25 GentFromAlaska : According to the FAA URL; ILG (Wilmington, DE) is a class 1 Part 139 airport. They are permitted to embark pax beyond the nine permitted for non-cert
26 rampart : DL, UA, AL, and Shuttle America did serve ILG at one time or another. I recall the UA was with mainline, back in the time they were advertising "Serv
27 slcdeltarumd11 : I know you love frontier its just IMHO i think they cant be denver only and survive I just think a denver only airline is doomed long term and fronti
28 mariner : I'm not saying they should be "Denver only." I've been one of the loudest voices for other places. But I don't see a slow and painful death at DEN. A
29 smoot4208 : Per the same source that told me about DEN-GSO earlier this week, F9 will give FAR another go around. Look for F9 to announce DEN-FAR tomorrow
30 knope2001 : I looked at February and come up with 42/week so far: 14x to DEN 5x to MDT 4x to ABE 3x to GSO 3x to MKE 3x to COS 3x to BMI 2x to OMA 2x to TYS 2x t
31 azstar : , DEN-FAR did pretty well, periodically. During the bleak winter, many flights were very empty, no different than other airlines that time of year. H
32 mariner : FAR doesn't ring my bell - I spent a year there one week-end - and I'm puzzled they'd restart it in the winter, but they probably have information tha
33 azstar : G4 flies FAR-SFB. I doubt that a market the size of Fargo could support two carriers on the route.
34 mariner : I'm struggling to think there's enough for two carriers on DEN-FAR - in the winter. As you said: mariner
35 smoot4208 : There is always a chance my source is wrong too. I definitely trust the source enough to put money on the destination as being FAR, but I guess it cou
36 Kcrwflyer : Fingers crossed, but I think Charlie west remains out of luck. I appreciate Mariner and Gustywinds pulling for my city as well. That said, Smoot was
37 F9animal : F9 is really doing some interesting things. They are totally showing a G4 type of operation outside of DEN. Is it me or is MCO looking like a new focu
38 floridaflyboy : I used December, not February. I'm sure by February, there will be more adjustments. Maybe some reductions ala DSM and MCI or maybe some exciting new
39 AVLAirlineFreq : FAR is indeed on the route map this morning.
40 floridaflyboy : It will be very interesting to see what kind of frequency they give this one. Last go around, it was multiple dailies on Q400s. Since all the new ann
41 ATWZW170 : Ok so quick recap of the week. I want to sound positive but I don't know how I feel about some of these routes. AZA - so now serving two airports in a
42 GentFromAlaska : If I lived in North Dakota across the Winter months I rather fly to MCO. If it were FAR-MCI the only tie in might be oil related.
43 nkops : Frontier's homepage is showing FAR-DEN, not MCO..... didn't they just drop this not too long ago?? BTW, there has been a rumor that RAH was awarded th
44 stlgph : Call me crazy and I'll play armchair, but depending where the schedule ends up after AirTran vanishes into Southwest, Frontier, if it's still around
45 GentFromAlaska : I suppose I'm putting to much emphasis on "new destinations" I still feel the way F9 promoted Colorado one of the six new destinations/routes is skew
46 floridaflyboy : Bryan Bedford said on the Q2 call that they were finalizing an agreement to re-deploy 5 E190 aircraft in a charter arrangement "similar to a CPA" so
47 nkops : It will be nice to see something different around ACY... this is one of the reasons I was hoping for Frontier sked service to cycle the aircraft in a
48 flyinryan99 : Which would also co-inside with Allegiant retiring their M87s which was flying for this contract, too. That could be a great thing for whoever is tak
49 mikefrommke : It was never 6 new routes or destinations. It was just announcements that affected six states, the sixth now being North Dakota.
50 Post contains links stlgph : It's Denver to Fargo. It's on the route map. I just received the press release via email - 3 weekly nonstop flights starting November 16. Edit - here
51 c152driver : This is the third time Frontier has tried FAR. I don't see it lasting long. The schedule doesn't look very good to me, and I'm not sure how three flig
52 GentFromAlaska : Word for word from the F9 Facebook page.
53 azstar : I don't have any details, but it would be interesting to see how many of the "new" markets Frontier has started in the last two years have survived. S
54 GentFromAlaska : I have a hunch the North Dakota oil boom drove the FAR announcement. A few years ago somebody posted DEN has a fairly significant role in oil. At the
55 F9animal : I have to agree. Not just that, but I suspect previous FAR frequent fliers would be hesitant to book on them after showing how bipolar they have been
56 mikefrommke : Still doesn't say six new routes. DEN and MCO still count as destinations and account for 2 of the states. I'd be curious to know what the actual sta
57 MSYtristar : Nice to see Frontier add some non-Denver flying, but the more I think about it, the more I scratch my head in regard to the MCO additions, if for no o
58 FRNT787 : Asmentioned above this is likely the deal BB talks about on the call. My opinion is that they will be branded as Republic Airlines though. (Think the
59 Post contains images point2point : Republic is already competing with F9 as they are now flying the Qs around DEN for UA. This will probably be a problem with any serious 'investors' w
60 mikefrommke : These certainly aren't the first overlapping routes in the whole RJET system. The problem with the argument is that those routes would probably serve
61 GentFromAlaska : I don't believe I said it did. In summary it does say six destinations though. Just as O&D are two separate measures which I'll admit is can be p
62 GentFromAlaska : Given the recent build-up in the central eastern seaboard. You would almost think the Pennsylvania Dutch have started flying. It has to be the critte
63 PlanesNTrains : I agree, but I don't think that's who F9 is going for this time (or anymore, really). They seem to be moving towards the low end of the totem pole, s
64 Post contains images mariner : There's money in low yield, as Allegiant has shown - their fortunes are based on LAS and SFB. I doubt Allegiant gets too much (any?) of the high yiel
65 GentFromAlaska : You don't have to shovel sunshine in AZA either.
66 slcdeltarumd11 : I really am keeping my fingers crossed that we can see ACY. Frontier seems to be willing to take a gamble on these cities that seem much riskier than
67 GentFromAlaska : Courtesy the Burlington BTV Free Press "JetBlue announced in early July it will cut the daily non-stop connection between Burlington and Orlando as of
68 smoot4208 : Between B6 and FL, they have cut MCO-BTV/PWM/CRW. All three of those routes could support F9 service.
69 MSYtristar : I'd argue that G4 makes a good bit of its money off of the vacation packages it sells, not just the airfare. Also, I believe G4's overall costs are l
70 Post contains links OzarkD9S : Very interesting analysis of Frontier's recent moves: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...gh-solid-revenue-improvement-80187 While some of us may b
71 AVLAirlineFreq : It would be interesting to look at all the former B6 and FL routes to MCO and see which could support F9 service. I know a number of them are now ser
72 GentFromAlaska : Along the same line as a hedge just think if F9, NK and G4 joined forces in a LCC/ULCC consortium of sorts for the sole purpose as a volume buyer of
73 mariner : And I'd agree, on both counts, but they're selling those packages to low yield destinations - Las Vegas and Florida are the lynch pins of its network
74 FRNT787 : Well folks, this week has been quite the interesting one for Frontier. I rather like the route announcements we saw. Mesa-Gateway: As a resident curre
75 floridaflyboy : I agree! I think the Orlando operation is really exciting for F9 and I love seeing them do some flying that is not Denver-dependent. I also think the
76 MSYtristar : DEN-ATL is scheduled to go down to two flights a day in January and remain that way at least through the next schedule extension in March. Did the air
77 Joeljack : Yes this concerns me as well. I was looking at flight on OMA-DEN in February and it is down to 2x daily!! Since F9 started to serve OMA in the mid 90
78 dbo861 : And DSM is down to 6x weekly in February. Just a couple months ago we had 2x daily A319s.
79 smoot4208 : On top of that, DSM-MCO/TPA isn't coming back this winter.
80 mariner : But DSM gets CUN. mariner
81 GentFromAlaska : According to one of the other threads G4 is terminating BIL-LAX and FSD-LAX because of terminal issues at LAX. Whether that is short or long term I do
82 Post contains links mariner : Here's a very good article by Brett Snyder - the Cranky Flier - about the refashioning of Frontier: http://crankyflier.com/2012/08/13/th...f-frontier-
83 smoot4208 : So both RST and LAN have scheduled press releases tomorrow.
84 AVLAirlineFreq : It appears to be G4. Allegiant has updated their route map to show both cities. RST to AZA, and LAN to SFB.[Edited 2012-08-14 08:03:32]
85 Post contains links and images mariner : This is the only source I have about this but I confirmed it on the website and it appears to be dinkum: http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/...ontier
86 CIDFlyer : didn't G4 previously serve LAN but move to GRR? They also served RST to LAS at one point as well.
87 Post contains links and images mariner : The SCASD grants are out and being discussed here: 2012 S.C.A.S.D Awards Announced (by LAXintl Aug 14 2012 in Civil Aviation) As I say in that thread,
88 Post contains images point2point : Allentown, PA, (ABE) applied for a fed grant of $138K, for F9 to start DEN-ABE n/s service, but this did not get approved. However, there is still a
89 UNITED91 : Frontier has just announced Denver-Minot. Service begins 11/5.[Edited 2012-08-15 07:38:38]
90 sdoyon : Looks like 4x weekly (Sun, Mon, Wed, & Fri) through 3/17/13, which I believe is the end of the published schedule.[Edited 2012-08-15 07:46:10]
91 stlgph : Frontier is also bumping up its Fargo service. It will be starting November 9, a week earlier than announced.
92 GentFromAlaska : I can't see AVL on F9 with the new GSO service on one side and TYS on the other. As driving goes TYS is closer at some 70+ statute miles; GSO a litte
93 c152driver : The history of F9 gets more fascinating. When the current incarnation started in the mid-90's, their idea was to service under-served markets, starti
94 AVLAirlineFreq : While there is probably some leakage to TYS and GSO from the AVL catchment area, my guess is that it is very, very slight. TYS is a 2.5 hour drive fr
95 GentFromAlaska : I suppose at the wrong time of day 2.5 hours could occur. I've drove Knoxville to Asheville from the I-40/I-75 corridor a handful of times across the
96 Post contains images AVLAirlineFreq : Are you sure you're not thinking of the driving distance from TYS to somewhere else? Google Maps shows the driving distance from AVL to TYS at 133 mi
97 Post contains images mariner : I wouldn't fall over in shock if ABE-DEN happened, but I think Frontier is spoiled for choice in that area. I would fall over in shock if MDT-DEN did
98 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The airport distance calculator I refer to from time to time http://www.calculatorcat.com/free_calculators/airport_distance.phtml shows the distance;
99 Post contains images point2point : MCO is okay with what they are doing. So is Apple. And include COS here as well until proven otherwise. Yet, just off the top of my head here, let's
100 mariner : Slightly more? I can't find it now (I haven't looked), but I thought that earlier this year DS said that DEN represented about 88% of the business. T
101 Post contains images point2point : I think that you may be correct, and that it is higher than 80%. And my intuition seems to be guiding me correctly here, although who knows what some
102 mariner : One of the great sadnesses of the Lynx experiment is that GJT - Grand Junction, CO - didn't work. It was a step towards a "trans-Colorado" airline. O
103 rampart : I like these ideas. But, keep in mind that Colorado Springs metro (and its larger market, most of southern Colorado) is much larger than Fort Collins
104 CarsAir04 : On that point though, there is a spot about half way between DEN and COS that receives very very bad weather in the winter. It has been known to get
105 Post contains images point2point : I do understand that yes, this could be a problem. However, at this point, I do think that in the near and intermediate future, this concern really s
106 smoot4208 : I also have not heard anything.
107 mariner : It is a continuing problem, and was always the greatest vulnerability for Frontier. It is why Southwest was able to create such havoc. It could happe
108 Buddys747 : MDT has exciting news tomorrow per there facebook page. I'm hoping DEN goes year-round .
109 rampart : Very true. And a good thing that the new regional airport was built where it is now, and not in Douglas County east-southeast of Castle Rock where on
110 Post contains links gustywinds : Frontier has the Shenandoah Valley Regional Airport on their route map. http://www.flyshd.com/ Checking the GDS it appears three times weekly from SHD
111 gsoflyer : Yes, GSO has G4 on this route to Sanford, twice weekly in near 100% load. Allegiant bumps flights occasionally that still go out booked. Delta used t
112 AVLAirlineFreq : Wow. Didn't see that coming.
113 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : Official release on SHD-MCO and COU-MCO. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fronti...onstop-destinations-140000925.html Definitely interesting choices....s
114 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Wow! For those who may need a reference or airport information. http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KSHD I guess they would draw from the I-81 and I-
115 FlyPNS1 : G4 flies out of ROA. Based on this (and a few other route announcements), it looks like G4 and F9 will be bumping heads with each other a bit.
116 stlgph : Some of the markets recently targeted by Frontier are markets Allegiant has on their list of potentials to serve when the A319's come on board.
117 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : According to the FAA enplanement data for calendar year 2011 http://www.faa.gov/airports/planning...elim_cy11_primary_enplanements.pdf These are offi
118 gsoflyer : ROA is a niche market for G4, customers will drive to GSO before SHD. SHD may pull from Charlottesville a bit, but I guarantee they are going after JM
119 Post contains links and images mariner : You couldn't have knocked me down with a feather about these two - because I had already fallen over in shock. I would not have guessed either of the
120 GentFromAlaska : Let us hope COU addresses their multi-million terminal new construction in a normal manner and not in haste solely due to today's announcement. The ar
121 GentFromAlaska : Service between MCO and all of the these new smaller airports also allows a vehicle to market F9 brand awareness. The additional frequency of critters
122 mariner : Worst case - if that happens, I don't see it as Frontier's problem. Best case - I think it is not impossible that Frontier will start a limited DEN-C
123 Post contains images point2point : Still, F9 has a working relationship at this time with Apple Vacations. Is there enough there in this relationship so that there is enough $$$$ so th
124 skycub : I do have a question.... and I ask this in all neutrality... I am not asking this as a pro- or anti- Frontier person. Does anyone know, what kind of a
125 AirframeAS : From my experience working for F9, it is known that F9 does little to no advertising. This was brought up before to the higher ups on Tower Road back
126 GentFromAlaska : I understand F9 use Interstate billboard signage. Supposedly there was an electronic billboard near TYS either on the I-40 or I-75 corridor. When I d
127 AVLAirlineFreq : In many of these kinds of cases, the local airport is placing the advertising on behalf of an airline like F9 in the local market. It is often provide
128 slcdeltarumd11 : The question i have is? Can Frontier successfully copy with this WWAD: What Whould Allegiant Do........ style of flying and make it profitbale without
129 mariner : I'm not sure that Allegiant is the comparative model here. I don't think that MOT or BIS or FAR can be called "Allegiant" style just because they are
130 skycub : So, how are the fine folks of Minot, Fargo, Columbia and Shenandoah Valley (and the out-lying regions Frontier is supposedly targeting) supposed to k
131 mikefrommke : See: The airports arguably have more at stake than Frontier does on these routes, so they are more than happy to publicize the new service.
132 stlgph : The airports will probably take care of local advertising with billboards. Advertising in newspapers is actually pretty cheap, especially in markets t
133 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : As unfamiliarity goes in the East. With all these new city announcements F9 could easily be termed the MCO shuttle. It looks like F9 shares gates 60-9
134 Post contains images point2point : I had to think about this for a bit. It's not that I'm really resistant to what F9 is doing at present, which is, I think that we can agree here, is
135 Flytravel : I just don't understand the point from F9's perspective esp. if it just takes away from other routes. Since F9 barely gets by on just 1x out of other
136 LAXintl : I think many people are forgetting or atleast losing sight of that Frontier is in the process of and overhaul with stated intention of becoming more a
137 gustywinds : I believe I figured the aircraft routing for each day. It doesn't really take a lot of aircraft to do this. F9 477Y 10DEC M MCOBMI SS1 755A 919A /E F9
138 GentFromAlaska : I suppose with 39 potential gates at terminal "B" in MCO in a worst case scenario if DEN went off-line for 5-7 days F9 would have an emergency doctri
139 Post contains links mariner : Okay, since some of Frontier's recent moves have caused some head-scratching, let me try and give an overview - where I see it. Since Southwest came
140 Post contains images point2point : I have to think about this some, but my friend..... just offhand, lets just say that I'm going to disagree on both here, so for the time being, I can
141 Post contains images mariner : Hmmm? I disagree with them, too. But they are the Conventional Wisdoms - repeated endlessly here. mariner
142 freakyrat : The SBN folks were good at marketing Allegiant and Allegiant thinking outside the box has made them successful. I'm sure with the right marketing, adv
143 Post contains images point2point : Oh..... okay my friend.... much appreciated and saves me some thinking on this, at least for now, eh? Okay again, and well...... I think that this is
144 mariner : Nothing in life - or airlines - is constant. Who would have predicted that United would have a stoush with Houston and so perhaps revised their attit
145 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I got curious and decided to look for a definition of a Ultra Low Cost Carrier ULCC. Neither the acronym or the term populates in the search feature o
146 freakyrat : I just checked on Expedia's web site to see how Frontier's first flight out of SBN to DEN (10/12/2012) is booked and their are only 27 seats left on a
147 GentFromAlaska : I suspect the first month or two are probably loaded with fliers who purchased the low ball introductory fares. DEN is nice this time of year for the
148 freakyrat : If it is anyway like when Allegiant came to SBN and have been a real success, I think Frontier will if the fares are right and they market the service
149 AirframeAS : Does anyone know who will be doing the ground handling for F9 at IWA/AZA yet?
150 mariner : Denver Dreaming: All the new MCO destinations that don't have service to DEN are dreaming about it - ABE, GSO, TTN, COU and SDH - they all want that c
151 Kcrwflyer : 1. never think a seat map on expedia can show you a flights bookings. 2. inaugural flights don't count. SHD-DEN from 6,000ft? I know the 319 can get
152 GentFromAlaska : Appalachia dreaming perhaps Who knows what F9 has up their wings. A best of both worlds scenario might include SHD-MCO and CHO-DEN. I suppose I shoul
153 freakyrat : I might add when I checked the Expedia site about a week ago they had about 40 or so seats sold on Frontiers inaugural flight from SBN-DEN. When check
154 azstar : Not too sure about that. F9 has had financial problems in the past partially because they were filling the entire aircraft with the lowest fare bucke
155 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I've never put much trust in those "2 Seats Left At This Price" commonly seen on the big 3-4 travel URL. Although the statement may be factual; I mys
156 Post contains images point2point : And I would want to be the last one to share a secret here but once a preferred itinerary is found on one of these travel sites with an airline, just
157 FL787 : Looks like MKE-DCA is ending October 27th. What's the latest on MKE-RHI? How much longer does it appear Republic will have to serve it?
158 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Smarter Travel published a poll of the ten U.S. scariest airports which keep pilots on the edge of their seats http://www.smartertravel.com/photo-g...
159 smoot4208 : No surprise on MKE-DCA ending. Republic should look at leasing US the DCA slots. I'm also surprised that MKE-MCO is still going to stick around.
160 LAXintl : You should because its quite accurate. What the website is showing is the number of seats available for a specific fare bucket at that time. This can
161 Joeljack : On a related note, F9 is going from 2x daily to 1x daily on OMA-DCA. They are dropping the morning OMA-DCA turn. At the same time, Republic as US Air
162 IllinoisMan : Hm, and Bryan Bedford just recently stated in an interview that all the current MKE flights are profitable and will remain?
163 smoot4208 : MCI-DCA goes down to 1 daily as well. So on 27Oct Republic is dropping 3 DCA flights (1 each to MKE, MCI, & OMA) and on 28Oct US is adding an addi
164 mke717spotter : Might this be related to the draw-down of the E190 fleet?
165 Post contains links bjorn14 : Yes, finally get rid of G¤ AFAIK, Airlines have to fly over a specially designated agricultural zone and of course pay a fee. DOV is a Part 139 airp
166 mariner : I think that has a lot to do with it. The point should also be made - again - that these are not Frontier slots. They are Republic slots. As such, th
167 stlgph : The oil boom is relevant to Fargo and Grand Forks. A lot of oil boom support industries are setting up shop in both cities.
168 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : This appears to be the Air Mobility Command AMC terminal for authorized users; not a commercial terminal. FAR 139 to my understanding only applies to
169 Post contains links and images mariner : There's a good editorial in the Staunton News Leader, welcoming Frontier to SHD. I'm just not sure how Southwest will feel about the headline: http:/
170 bjorn14 : Not sure about all the technicalities for DOV but they keep refering to a Civilian Terminal there. I believe civilian airplanes can use the airport w
171 GentFromAlaska : "SVRA might be the smallest airport in the state" One of the smallest in the country which ranked 380 of 405 FAR Part 139 airports tracked by the FAA
172 GentFromAlaska : Are there any thoughts about where the MKE-DCA in-perimeter (IP) slot becoming available in November will be used. Might we see DCA-MCO service? I'm a
173 mcg : Hey Mariner, Nice post above (#139 I think), thanks.
174 airliner371 : I know F9 requested the DCA-MKE slot be moved to DCA-OMA for a third daily, but they are now getting rid of one so that would mean if the DCA-MKE slo
175 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : In a perfect world F9 needs 300 seats weekly COU-MCO and 450 seats a week between SHD-MCO in each direction. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fronti...o
176 FRNT787 : Chautauqua flies E145/E140 for: American Delta United US Airways The one for the Frontier EAS route out of MKE Shuttle America flies E170/E175 for: U
177 airliner371 : I know, what I am saying is they may be Getting rid of one flight in prep for getting an Air21 slot for it which would mean there is no change in DCA
178 Post contains images mariner : Anything is possible, but there are three airlines on DCA-MCO (US, Southwest(Airtran) and Jetblue) and it feels crowded. IAD-MCO? Maybe - the only co
179 airliner371 : I could see Huntsville attempt to go after Frontier for service to MCO, would F9 consider HSV? It is much larger the MGM but has no MCO flight.
180 GentFromAlaska : If I understand correctly F9 does take precedence over the other carriers which is contract flying correct? F9 is actually part of the holdings group
181 Post contains images mariner : I'd be fine with HSV-MCO. My point is really that no-compete routes are probably better than routes with heavy competition, but for the most part we'
182 bahadir : Didn't RAH sell the slots at DCA back to US Airways in exchange of some $30mil last fall? Are these US Airways routes in and out of DCA (not the Air21
183 mariner : Those were different slots, acquired by Republic while US was in bk, with the proviso they must be leased back to US. The slots at issue here are the
184 FRNT787 : I'm not sure that there is any real precedence in play. RAH still has to work within their other contracts. Im not sure thank problems ever really ar
185 bahadir : So can you confirm that those slots owned by RAH which they were leasing to USAirways are back in the hands of USAirways?
186 AVLAirlineFreq : WN/FL has dropped HSV. I could see F9 adding HSV. I'm surprised F9 or G4 haven't already. The less-than-daily service wouldn't be appealing to the bu
187 GentFromAlaska : That was my guess. The WN URL tells me this travel can be booked with FL It cannot. A cyber world disconnect.
188 sideflare75 : Yes they are. From US Airways 4th qtr comference call: During the quarter, we also exercised our call right to repurchase 113 slots from Republic for
189 Post contains links LAXintl : Frontier opts to drop Durango - Vegas before it even starts. Frontier Airlines Cancels Its Durango - Las Vegas Service http://finance.yahoo.com/news/f
190 MSYtristar : Not the surprise of the century. The local market is very small. That one me had me scratching my head more than some of the MCO routes.
191 rj777 : How can you tell what the "community interest" is until you start the route?
192 Post contains links mariner : I assume it is the light bookings, as when Allegiant cancelled BTR-LAS before service began: http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...oceed-Plans-Start
193 PlanesNTrains : Wouldn't be the first time a route was dead on arrival. I know Mariner gave an example but we've seen it a number of times before. Nowadays there jus
194 SurfandSnow : Hardly surprising; I didn't understand the rationale behind this one in the first place. I had no idea if they were trying to do a p2p thing out of L
195 bjorn14 : I think it might have worked if it was winter seasonal. DUR is a growing ski destination with a little bit of summer appeal and maybe should have use
196 GentFromAlaska : The press release read passengers will receive refunds. DUR being DUR there probably are not a lot of carriers who serve the market. Why wouldn't F9
197 Kcrwflyer : You don't? These two don't seem to have a problem fighting it out elsewhere these days. In fact, It looks like they prefer it.
198 PlanesNTrains : Well, I'll go one step further and question why they wouldn't first try to rebook them via DEN (DUR-DEN-LAS)? Maybe they do offer that but are willin
199 GentFromAlaska : That's even better. Of course DUR should have been DRO which was my bad. For some reason I thought F9 had already nixed DRO-DEN. It should be custome
200 PlanesNTrains : Oops - I didn't catch that either. -Dave
201 enilria : I think this non-daily Orlando/Vegas strategy is somewhat tried and true by NK, FL, and G4. I only worry about 1) whether it is just a way to get G4
202 slcdeltarumd11 : all good points. Those are all things i guess we will find out over time. Allegiant makes its money off of all the packages and options which you hav
203 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Keeping with the recent mid Atlantic service announcements specifically Pennsylvania; watching the little league world series I wonder if Williamsport
204 bjorn14 : I think SCE takes care of IPT's needs.
205 Post contains links mariner : I'm amused by the need of the media to see parallels. Brett Snyder has written another good piece about Frontier, but he can't resist the temptation t
206 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Do you mean University Park State College UNV? http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KUNV or possibly AVP. SCE does not populate in flight aware nor is
207 nkops : Oddly, the airlines (at least when I was there) used SCE as the destination code, even though it is UNV... both mean State College, PA
208 Post contains links mariner : So Spirit has announced DEN-AZA: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...begin-daily-denver-phoenix-service "Spirit Airlines to begin daily Denver-to-P
209 CarsAir04 : You are correct. None of the recent new Denver F9 routes have been in the Denver Post. I am tempted to write them and ask why they don't report on Fr
210 mariner : I have long believed - and posted here - that I think the Denver Post has some sort of vested interest in the "non-survival" of Frontier. mariner[Edi
211 Post contains links mariner : The details of the deal between Frontier and Phoenix Mesa airport - AZA: http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...eway-finalize-terms-agreement.html "Te
212 Post contains links mariner : Another good monthly traffic report from COS: http://www.gazette.com/articles/frontier-143853-airport-passenger.html "New nonstop flights to four citi
213 GentFromAlaska : Between May and August I'd call that the Alaska Marine Highway (AMHS) factor. Bellingham is the main AMHS terminal.
214 IllinoisMan : F9 is being boxed in from all sides...no matter which way they jump a more-efficient competitor is right there to counter them. It'd be best if they
215 Post contains images point2point : Well, that's competition..... and in many cases, F9 is the most efficient carrier on many routes where they compete... Why? That is really just such
216 GentFromAlaska : I think they call them spammers; paid or otherwise. In the six months since he/she joined A-net the poster has time and time again opted to bash F9 w
217 Post contains images point2point : Or trolls, eh? On another site where I blog, if there is a troll, everyone is encouraged to post a recipe in response. Good idea, actually, and I've
218 Post contains links mariner : Here's a fun piece, explaining the profit at BMI and it's relevance to the revenue guarantee. http://wjbc.com/how-did-initial-frontier-flight-from-blo
219 Post contains images point2point : If I were running an airline, and when it comes to expansion, the first things that I would be looking for is any revenue guarantees...... And for th
220 slcdeltarumd11 : Its excellent to see COS get some more use and somewhere else possible for frontier. I hated to hear about MSP being cut for COS so this was excellent
221 Post contains links mariner : There's a debate going on about Allegiant's sudden - and surprising - announcement that it ail drop all service from FNL - Fort Collins. Allegiant Sus
222 Post contains images point2point : I would think that on the one hand, it could cannibalize some DEN pax. On the other hand, it could very well capture those who would drive to DEN and
223 airliner371 : When are the A318s going to be gone for good?
224 GentFromAlaska : With WN terminating their GEG-PDX service The armchair route planner in me wonders if their may be some opportunity to add PDX to F9 DEN-GEG service a
225 mariner : I believe that N803FR - which may be the last - leaves in June 2013. There are rumors - only rumors - of a couple more A320 coming in. mariner
226 Post contains images AirframeAS : They're never gonna get the A321 arn't they??
227 mariner : Never say never. But - not right now, is my guess. mariner
228 FRNT787 : Seems the leasing market is fairly strong on them right now. I could see 10 or so of the A319neo orders being converted though. Hoping the A320 rumor
229 stlgph : Hello all. Attending the Dahlman Rose Transportation Conference in New York City. Republic has concluded their presentation - * Still evaluating optio
230 Post contains links mariner : I hope so, too, but I don't know if they're an immediate prospect. With the several aircraft leaving the fleet I'm not sure how they can maintain the
231 freakyrat : I sure hope SBN-DEN works out with the A319 and I kind of think it will with or without the subsidy. When United flew the route post deregulation with
232 airliner371 : CAK is actually a big, good route for F9 and WN wants to get in on that. FL/WN is more known in CAK then F9 so they can bring in more people and have
233 Post contains links airliner371 : "Dooley reiterated the company's plans to divest Frontier, "most likely in the first half of 2013."" Looks like the separation is planned for first ha
234 FL787 : The presentation today showed the year-end 2013 F9 fleet being 22 A320s and 31 A319s. So it looks like they will be getting some A320s from somewhere
235 airliner371 : Did it show any E190s?
236 mariner : Since the day Southwest/Airtran announced CAK, I have said that Frontier should switch to DEN-CLE. If nothing else, it ties up with the Apple Vacatio
237 FL787 : Republic will have 5 E90s flying for F9 under a pro-rate agreement, down from 17. Two are lease returns, 5 are going back to US, and 5 more are going
238 MSYtristar : You can buy a same day, walk-up ticket one-way between ATL and DEN for $98 on F9. No wonder they are cutting one of the flights. With those prices, no
239 smoot4208 : Is that set in stone that 5 are going to charters for a casino operator? I wasn't aware they won the contract yet.
240 WALmsp : Do we know where the E190s will fly? Currently, F9 flies 2x daily into SBA, my local airport, with those birds.
241 Post contains links mariner : My heart went-pitty pat yesterday when a new wrinkle appeared to be added to the mix. In several AP reports of Republic's address to the Dahlman Rose
242 airliner371 : Well they are probably considering everything, this included but I agree it most likely won't happen.
243 mariner : For what it's worth, here is what I think. Steadily, but quite dramatically, the new CEO, David Siegel, is refashioning the airline He is also doing
244 BostonMike : Bravo, Mariner, well said! It's a cheeky little airline with lots of good people. I, for one, am cheering for its survival and further successes. Hope
245 freakyrat : Mariner, You are spot on. Frontier the great little airline with the animal spokespeople can be successful. I talked to some crew members while passin
246 slcdeltarumd11 : Just running with that i know its extremely unlikely........How could frontier even be divided in theory? What would be carve-able for sale? Who woul
247 Buddys747 : So far it's doing well for the folks here in Harrisburg and Allentown. I'm sure if the yields were crap, they would not have increased MDT to 5x's we
248 ATWZW170 : In SBN DGS is going to be ground handling. Sure wish we could have our own employees but I guess that is how it goes - new cities and old cities quiet
249 nkops : My understanding is that a contract was signed with Caesars Entertainment to operate the 5... I know 2 of them will be based out of ACY and will repl
250 Post contains links and images GentFromAlaska : Just my If the new service from Pennsylvania to MCO and DEN and TTN- MCO and the five destinations in North Dakota to DEN http://www.flyfrontier.com/
251 MSYtristar : Heard from a reliable source that jetBlue recently gave some sort of presentation at the F9 HDQ. Could be much ado about nothing, could be something.
252 floridaflyboy : I would imagine they'll fly a lot of the same routes they fly now. SBA, BIL, PVU, etc. Probably GTF (if they come back).
253 Post contains images wnflyguy : I think the best thing for F9 is just to merge with NK. Otherwise B6 or Virgin America would be great also. NK: Get F9's cost down to NK level will ma
254 Post contains images Buddys747 : I totally agree. I work in the Harrisburg area and get around and have yet to see any billboards advertising F9 service anywhere. Not sure about Alle
255 WALmsp : Thanks. I assume that with the reduction of E190s, some stations will lose service or be upgraded to A319s. Any ideas?
256 floridaflyboy : I could see the A319 on BZN on a regular basis. I could see ABQ or IAH going back to all Airbuses with somewhat lower frequency. It will be interesti
257 Post contains images point2point : Although there is an element of F9 and merger that appeals to me...... it seems that unless very carefully done, F9 could easily dissolve. And were t
258 LAXintl : Why do you assume that ?? Another entity might make better use of F9 physical assets versus slogging it out at DEN. After all remember F9 itself has
259 Post contains images point2point : 1. History.... 2. F9 is a niche carrier. It's niche is DEN..... Again, just my
260 LAXintl : But F9 does not need to be a "niche" carrier at DEN. Someone - JetBlue, Spirit, etc could make something else out of them - take the equipment and dis
261 MSYtristar : If NK and F9 merged the airline would be called NK. No way would they ditch the strong Spirit name (well known in many areas of the country not to men
262 FRNT787 : Right now so far as I can tell, there will be 5 E190s in the fleet at the onset of the new year. Now, Republic has made no secret they are looking fo
263 floridaflyboy : While that will undoubtedly be the case in some places, other places simply require daily service. There are some routes where it would be better for
264 Post contains images mariner : Well - yes. In any merger situation I assume that would happen. I think it will probably happen, but not necessarily soon. Maybe. If they were going
265 FRNT787 : My thought as well. I don't think Republic feels near desperate enough to even contemplate that. I think that it was merely bad journalism. That's wh
266 Post contains images wnflyguy : I think with any merger the name Frontier will die. NK should take on the paint and billboard look of F9. SPIRIT a whole new animal. I really think so
267 mariner : Given that I am somewhat biased, I'm not so certain. As BB said, no one - except Southwest, for obvious reasons - wanted to buy the airline last time
268 Post contains images point2point : I think that somehow we are all in agreement here, and that is that any such structural changes to F9 would be it's demise. If any airline were to ac
269 mariner : I think that's fairly easy - the separate parts of Frontier are worth three tenths of Sweet Fanny Adams. Aircraft? Mostly leased, with a number of th
270 uncgso : anybody how the GSO bookings are looking? just curious
271 freakyrat : For Frontier it looks like staring SBN-DEN flights on two big Notre Dame home football weekends is a solid bet. Both weekends are solidly booked with
272 floridaflyboy : I'm not referring to the larger markets. I'm referring to the markets that are 1 or 2 daily. Of those, I can think of several that would do extremely
273 mariner : One thing interests me that we haven't much discussed - the implications of the removal of the E190's. Since Frontier is to become an all-Airbus airli
274 airliner371 : Moderators, I think we need to lock New Frontier/Republic Thread Part 37 and open a new one, Thanks![Edited 2012-09-08 21:03:09]
275 freakyrat : No problem with the terminal size at SBN. The A concourse is brand new. The jetways at the old gates A2-A4 and the new gate A9 will probably handle th
276 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Here are F9 August numbers http://media.flyfrontier.com/article....cfm?article_id=5389&view_id=1290& A combined load factor of 92%
277 Post contains links flykev : Due to the length of this topic, a new thread has been started: Frontier/Republic Thread Part 38 (by airliner371 Sep 11 2012 in Civil Aviation) Please
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