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California Pacific Asks DOT For Start-up Extension  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26168 posts, RR: 50
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8715 times:

As follow up on the DOT reminder that proposed start-up California Pacific Airlines was quickly running out of the allotted 1-year deadline in achieving its air carrier certificate from the FAA and launching commercial services ( DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License (by LAXintl Jul 20 2012 in Civil Aviation) ) by August 25, 2012, the company has applied for a Request for Extension of Authority.

California Pacific states that is continues to work with the FAA on its 121 air carrier certificate, along with its fund raising efforts.

The carrier says its is currently in stage 2 of 3 stage process with the FAA and is in the midst of manual approvals which it expects to take another 90-days. Carrier hopes to enter the last stage "before the end of the year".

Additionally carrier continues to work on achieving $30-50mil funding with institutional investors.

To date start-up spending has been approximately $10mil.


OST-2010-0126


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7970 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

Well this seems like a shot to the gut, if you ask me. I really hope the best for CP Air but since they have the airplane already they really should be following up, but as previously stated, this has proven to be the blade of the sword for start ups.

How long does it usually take to go through the entire FAA procedure, and why aren't they and the DOT intertwined better?

I wonder what the CP Air rep on A.net has to say about this.

I strongly hope this pulls through (and service begins to PHX as well   )



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8528 times:

For anyone interested, CP Air's draft EA (Environmental Assessment) for their proposed CLD-service is available (via their website) at the following link:
EA%20Proposed%20Commercial%20Service%20Ops%20by%20CPA.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.flycpair.com/documents/Dr...ial%20Service%20Ops%20by%20CPA.pdf

The public comment period has been extended to August 25.

I looked through it and other than seeing that their plan is for "15 daily flights" that will "transition to EMB-190 within the first year of operation", I didn't really find any new details about schedules, destinations (order) or timing but it does have a lot of information about the airport and appears to be a thorough study.

  

bb

edit: Looks like the link might not work so here's the access page on their website:
http://www.flycpair.com/news/notices.htm
Click on the 3rd link (July 17) for the EA .pdf

[Edited 2012-08-08 09:44:22]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26168 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Well looks like if they ever make it, will be a 2013 before first flight - likely a 3 year process from the initial May 2010 application formal start date.

Regarding the question about DOT and FAA, start-up carriers have two parallel tracks they must follow. One is the commercial economic authority which is granted by the DOT - this was issued in August 2011, and the other is the technical operating certificate from the FAA. The economic authority gets revokes for dormancy after 12-months of non-use and that was the problem these guys were facing.


Personally, I'm more curious about the financing that they are still trying to drum up - takes a hardly (some might say foolish) party to plow money into such a venture these days.



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8238 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
I looked through it and other than seeing that their plan is for "15 daily flights" that will "transition to EMB-190 within the first year of operation",

That's a new lil' tidbit...E190's!? I don't recall seeing that in the game plan before! Interesting!



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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8186 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 4):

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
I looked through it and other than seeing that their plan is for "15 daily flights" that will "transition to EMB-190 within the first year of operation",

That's a new lil' tidbit...E190's!? I don't recall seeing that in the game plan before! Interesting!

Can an E-190 even take off from CLD without being weight-restricted? I thought that was the whole point of using the 170 in the first place.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7903 times:

Quoting N202PA (Reply 5):
Can an E-190 even take off from CLD without being weight-restricted? I thought that was the whole point of using the 170 in the first place.

Easy, the ERJ-190's performance is close to that of the ERJ-170 thanks to the larger wing - in fact it's better than the smaller ERJ-175. But as with most small jets these days it's not take off performance which is the limiting factor but the landing distance in wet weather - again though, the ERJ-190 would have no problem at CLD.


Dan  



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7704 times:

Hopefully the 91 year old founder - Ted Vallas of Encinitas CA, who has put $14 Million of his own money into California Pacific, will get to see "his" airline actually fly. At that age, even as spry as Vallas seems, you just never know......   


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7514 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 7):
Hopefully the 91 year old founder - Ted Vallas of Encinitas CA, who has put $14 Million of his own money into California Pacific, will get to see "his" airline actually fly. At that age, even as spry as Vallas seems, you just never know......

That would be truely tragic to not see the fruits of your imprint on the company.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
As follow up on the DOT reminder that proposed start-up California Pacific Airlines was quickly running out of the allotted 1-year deadline in achieving its air carrier certificate from the FAA and launching commercial services

I hope this is not a sign of things to come, they do have the cards stacked against them, it still remains to be seen if they will take off. I have had very high hopes for this fledgling carrier to make a solid niche for themselves serving affluent N San Diego. I hope they do get what they need to make it big.



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User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 891 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

I would love nothing more than to see this airline succeed, this video shows that they have the right ideas IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl_cON8pZzU


User currently offlinemikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7254 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 4):

That's a new lil' tidbit...E190's!? I don't recall seeing that in the game plan before! Interesting!

I wonder if these are the 5 additional E90s that RJET mentioned might be pulled from F9 in the future.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Quoting B737-112 (Reply 9):
I would love nothing more than to see this airline succeed, this video shows that they have the right ideas IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl_cO...8pZzU

Great find! I hadn't seen this before. Thanks for posting it, B737'. (It stars an A.netter too -- a frequent poster here on these CP Air threads!)

bb


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7096 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
(It stars an A.netter too -- a frequent poster here on these CP Air threads!)

I'm hoping he would show up here soon and shed some light on the extension request.

Quoting B737-112 (Reply 9):
I would love nothing more than to see this airline succeed, this video shows that they have the right ideas IMO.

   Agreed! The video was put together really well!

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
I looked through it and other than seeing that their plan is for "15 daily flights" that will "transition to EMB-190 within the first year of operation",

Interesting. I thought CPAir's fleet would be all E-170's? I wonder if CPAir's first plane is still at CLD?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):
Interesting. I thought CPAir's fleet would be all E-170's? I wonder if CPAir's first plane is still at CLD?

Yeah SANMAN' (and B6JFK'), the mention of the 190s has me scratching my head a bit also. I seem to remember way back at the early beginnings of this endeavor by Ted, reading something about various a/c types but everything lately has pretty much been all "170s".

Possibly the mention in the EA was an old statement that was not edited out before submission or maybe there are some plans that haven't been talked about (publically) yet... Sure, a mixed fleet of 170s and 190s (for the high volume routes!) would be great but, as I've said before about trying to predict the future for our friends at CP Air, let's get them off the ground first!

And it does seem (to me) like we're at a pretty major obstacle right now so    that things keep moving forward right now.

bb


User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

Have they received any more planes yet, or just that first E170?


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

I wish them all the luck. Sounds like they've found a niche.

In the You Tube video it mentioned what I'll call the the launch airframe was picked up in BNA. I'm curious if it belonged to another customer or does Embraer? have operations in the greater Nashville area.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6834 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
In the You Tube video it mentioned what I'll call the the launch airframe was picked up in BNA. I'm curious if it belonged to another customer or does Embraer? have operations in the greater Nashville area

I was under the impression that is where the carrier took delivery of the aircraft.

[Edited 2012-08-09 17:38:46]


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User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6813 times:

IIRC, it was painted at Embraer facility at BNA and delivered from there. Ex-Cirrus machine.


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User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 819 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6778 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):
I wonder if CPAir's first plane is still at CLD?

I was just at CLD today (8/9/12 @ 14:30 local) and CPAir's plane was still on the tarmac. it was my first time seeing the plane in person and i do like the tail logo.


User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 10):
I wonder if these are the 5 additional E90s that RJET mentioned might be pulled from F9 in the future.

Weren't these just announced as being acquired by US Airways?



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User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5126 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6571 times:

No big deal in my opinion. They need a little more time to dot the Is and cross the Ts. CP does not appear to be in a big rush, but I am sure they wish they had already gotten airborne by now. The 190 would be a great plane to add for LAS, as I am sure it will pack a 170 in no time. Excited to see this airline get airborne!


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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6537 times:

Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 19):

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 10):
I wonder if these are the 5 additional E90s that RJET mentioned might be pulled from F9 in the future.

Weren't these just announced as being acquired by US Airways?

Yep, they are going to US.



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User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6509 times:

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 21):
Yep, they are going to US

That's a different 5. There are 5 going to US, 5 slated for charter work out west (not sure if it's been officially announced but that's a rumor I've heard), leaving 7. 2 were leased and can be returned to the lessor soon, leaving 5 ships for this thread's rumor.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6457 times:

There's absolutely no time frame mentioned. If this whole 190-thing is even accurate, it might be 3 or 4 (or more) years in the future. In any case, I wouldn't expect it to be a factor for at least a couple of years. After all, CP Air has a definite fleet of 170s on the way which will easily get them to their currently-planned 15-departure schedule out of CLD.

bb


User currently offlinehz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6384 times:
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Why don't they just do CLD - AZA in the interim? ... They could have bikini clad girls perform a fashion show on the first flight, or maybe every flight, that could be their hook.


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25 viasa : I'm surprised that the aircraft still wear the registration N176EC. The new registration will be N760CP...
26 RWA380 : I imagine our resident California Pacific Sales person could shed light on whats going to happen, but likely can not for corporate privacy reasons. Ho
27 LAXintl : No way they will launch service in the coming weeks. They don't even have their air carrier certificate yet. As the starter thread states, at best th
28 flycpair : Our target is first quarter of 2013, subject to regulatory approval. Last week we resubmitted thousands of pages of manuals and training programs back
29 SANFan : Thank you for your comments 'cpair. I know I appreciate the update and clarifications very much. Continued good luck to you and the whole team on get
30 ridgid727 : thanks for your update, but would it not have been a little more reasonable to buy someone elses certificate and then proceed. maybe Comair or Mesaba
31 N766UA : I'd love to agree, but unfortunately I don't see anything here that differentiates them from anyone else. They even have the same stock grey seats we
32 flycpair : We looked at a variety of options for how to get certificated. The bar for "transferring" a certificate is getting so high though that we decided it w
33 Post contains images PHX787 : I don't think CP wants a bunch of useless 50 seater CRJs. Hurry up and get 'r' done Once you guys get started I'm sure you shouldn't have to worry ab
34 RWA380 : Your comments are both interesting and informative, thank you for taking the time to keep us buffs up to speed on the progress. I think the vast majo
35 GentFromAlaska : Where compatibility meets cost I would think the E90 would also fit neatly assuming some of the parts for the E70 and E90 are interchangeable. I use
36 Post contains links diverdave : Here's an article profiling Steve Vallas in today's LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...w-airline-20120822,0,4787474.story David
37 SANFan : Thanks for posting the article. (BTW, it's TED Vallas.) bb
38 diverdave : Thanks, good thing Ted's mind is sharper than mine.
39 slider : First of all, thanks for posting on here...I think it's a nice gesture to have some 'official' presence here if that's your capacity. However, I'm sk
40 PHX787 : At the risk of not being credible, I believe it's been established that these routes were made for business travelers/leisure travel between the San
41 ScottB : But therein lies the problem. What's "the right price?" The E170 is a higher-cost aircraft than the 737's that WN uses to offer 8-11 round-trips in e
42 concordegboad : Don't forget to add: No nudie scans. No lines. No traffic.
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