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DL 744 Range  
User currently offlinedelta764 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8782 times:

I'm sure its an error, but the DL website shows the range of their 47's as 5,343 miles. The 67's are 6,408. What is the range of the 747 and which is their longest route (ATL-NRT?)

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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8455 times:

Delta appears to assign random ranges to their aircraft.

NS


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3611 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=100

No idea what their longest route is, ATL-NRT seems like a good bet.



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User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 907 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

Do they use a 74 on LAX-SYD?


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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8055 times:
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The ATL-NAT flight is 6,850 miles. This is within the 744's range and is what they fly on that route. That number quoted by the OP isn't correct.

LAX to SYD uses a 77L that originates in ATL.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8051 times:

Someone can't convert between miles and kilometers because 5,343 miles is certainly not 11,853km. 11,853km is closer to the realistic range since that is 7,365sm, which is relatively close to the real range of a 747-400.


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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

A lot of the aircraft data seems to be incorrect on DL.com currently, it's being fixed.

As for our 744 range; 7,365 miles at 100% load factor.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

Quoting aviateur (Reply 7):
I wish that DL's website and magazine would remove the specs for the various regional jets. These are not Delta aircraft, and they are not operated by Delta employees.

Although they are not operated by Delta, a fair number of them are Delta-owned.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3194 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

Currently it is operated by a 777 but the longest route, to date, operated by the 744 at DL is DTW-PVG at 7137mi versus ATL-NRT at only 6850mi.


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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):
As for our 744 range; 7,365 miles at 100% load factor.

So that appears to be LAX-HKG. Come on, give it a try.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
Do they use a 74 on LAX-SYD?

Nope, a 77L.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9297 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 1):

no kidding. I don't get why its so hard to get the info right.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
T7 for now.



Quoting CV880 (Reply 12):

would be the LR not a 747

[Edited 2012-08-09 14:16:13 by srbmod]


yep.
User currently offlinefutureatp From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5759 times:

Somewhere I have a manual to confirm but I believe DL (actually Northwest) deactivated the tail tanks of their 744s. That's around 20,000lbs of fuel capacity taken out.

User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):
Currently it is operated by a 777

I'm not completely sure if you were talking about the ATL-NRT route, but if you were, that route (at least for this week), is being operated by a 744 as per the DL flight schedule and FlightAware.


User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 579 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 18):
I'm not completely sure if you were talking about the ATL-NRT route, but if you were, that route (at least for this week), is being operated by a 744 as per the DL flight schedule and FlightAware.

He isn't. The way I read his comment is that the longest route ever operated by a DL 744 was DTW-PVG at 7137mi. Currently, it's operated by a 777, but it is/was the longest route that DL flies 744s on.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):
Currently it is operated by a 777 but the longest route, to date, operated by the 744 at DL is DTW-PVG at 7137mi versus ATL-NRT at only 6850mi.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
Do they use a 74 on LAX-SYD?

Some DL 744s did once operate LAX-SYD nonstop during the fairly brief period in the early 1990s when NW operated LAX-SYD and JFK-KIX-SYD. I think those routes started in 1991.

JFK-KIX-SYD was dropped after the Japanese government complained that NW was carrying too much 5th freedom traffic KIX-SYD. LAX-SYD lasted a little longer. If memory correct it was only 2 or 3 days a week.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

There was a rumor that LAX-SYD would shift to 744 once all the modifications were complete. I have my doubts that that's the best use of 744 capacity, but haven't heard anything about it recently.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
I have my doubts that that's the best use of 744 capacity, but haven't heard anything about it recently.

I agree. I'd be very surprised if we saw 744's in SYD any time soon given the relationship with VA. They'd be better off adding 777 flights to BNE or MEL in partnership with VA.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3194 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
Some DL 744s did once operate LAX-SYD nonstop during the fairly brief period in the early 1990s when NW operated LAX-SYD and JFK-KIX-SYD. I think those routes started in 1991.

JFK-KIX-SYD was dropped after the Japanese government complained that NW was carrying too much 5th freedom traffic KIX-SYD. LAX-SYD lasted a little longer. If memory correct it was only 2 or 3 days a week.

It was JFK-OSA-SYD, KIX did not exist at the time. And it was the Australian gov't that had a problem with it, and is why the route wasn't run via NRT.

LAX-SYD ran 3 weekly, while LAX-HNL-SYD ran 4 weekly on the days the nonstop didn't operate.

Timetable from 1992:
http://www.departedflights.com/NW121592p23.html



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 11):
Quoting CV880 (Reply 12):

would be the LR not a 747

[Edited 2012-08-09 14:16:13 by srbmod]

Oh, so CX could run LAX-HKG with 744's but DL can't??


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 19):
Oh, so CX could run LAX-HKG with 744's but DL can't??

Only because CX can fill the plane, while DL would probably have trouble throwing a 744 straight at it...


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 19):
Oh, so CX could run LAX-HKG with 744's but DL can't??

Yes.

NS


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9297 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):

I would expect LAX-SYD and ATL-GRU to go to the 747 once mods are done.

Quoting CV880 (Reply 19):

Pretty much. Delta 744s could fly it....but only if Delta wanted to burn money. Any Asia growth from LAX will be with 767/777 and 330.



yep.
User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 22):
Pretty much. Delta 744s could fly it....but only if Delta wanted to burn money. Any Asia growth from LAX will be with 767/777 and 330.

When You pull the 77L from SYD and replace it with the 744, please move the 77L to LAX-HKG. The 330's/767's won't make it. The seating density on the 777's is a bit slim (should be a 77W), but at least an American carrier would be in the market again.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 23):
The 330's/767's won't make it.

Heck, the MD-11s barely made it.



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25 seabosdca : The problem for DL with LAX-HKG is that it's a nice 767/A332 route for them in terms of volume but the 767 and 332 don't have the range. The 777 (eit
26 PHX787 : Do they actually run this route? On a previous DL744 thread I hadn't seen that one listed. When DL finally takes the 787s could they run the route wi
27 CV880 : The 777 is not too much capacity. If anything it's too little unless the front is full of paying pax. The fares in the market (low) require a dense c
28 seabosdca : Fair point... I should have said "too much airplane." If it had a dense enough config to make the route worthwhile, it would be too much capacity. I
29 Post contains images CV880 : You really think the world is still going to be in existence by 2020?
30 KDAYflyer : How about DTW-Nogoya? I flew that segment in June. One hell of a long flight......
31 burnsie28 : It's about 6,552 miles.
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