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Indian Aviation Thread # 99   
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

We've hit 200 posts on the last thread, so here's the new one.

http://zeenews.india.com/business/ne...voke-ubs-corp-guarantee_57670.html

Quote:
New Delhi: Certain aircraft lessors and bankers to ailing Kingfisher Airlines (KFA) have invoked corporate guarantees given by Vijay Mallya-led United Breweries (Holdings) and negotiations are on over the issue.

...

Earlier this week sources had said lessors wanted to take six aircraft back as KFA had defaulted on rentals.

However, the Airport Authority of India (AAI) had refused to allow the lessors to take back the aircraft.

Following this, one of the lessors had sent a legal notice to AAI for not passing the releasing order.
AAI's contention was that it could not let the aircraft go, as it too had to recover dues of about Rs 300 crore on account of landing and parking fees from the near-bankrupt KFA.

The airline, which has not paid salaries to its employees for the past five months (some have not been paid for six months), has been defaulting on payments to AAI, oil companies, aircraft leasing companies and the government tax authorities.




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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12550 times:

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120808/BLOG01/120809792

Quote:

The National Transportation Safety Board provided an update Wednesday on the investigation into the failure of a Boeing Co. 787 engine, which occurred last month in South Carolina.
...

The NTSB has determined that a mid-shaft engine fan fractured during the failure.
...

Air India, which is set to take delivery of 787s with GEnx engines, has said it would wait for the NTSB report before doing so.



I feel another delay coming on  
Here's the whole NTSB update:

Quote:

WASHINGTON - The National Transportation Safety Board continues its investigation of the July 28, 2012 contained engine failure that occurred on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner during a pre-delivery taxi test in Charleston, South Carolina. A contained engine failure is a specific engine design feature in which components might separate inside the engine but either remain within the engine's cases or exit the engine through the tail pipe. This design feature generally does not pose immediate safety risks.

Last week, the NTSB sent an investigator to the scene to gather information on the incident and subsequently launched a full investigation into the cause of the failure, led by NTSB Investigator-in-Charge, Mr. David Helson.

On August 1, 2012, a team of experts from the NTSB, FAA, Boeing and GE Aviation specializing in engine systems and metallurgy traveled to a GE facility in Cincinnati, OH to disassemble and examine the failed GEnx engine. GE is the manufacturer of the GEnx engine. The parties to the investigation have been extremely cooperative in assisting NTSB personnel in its review and assessment.

As a result of the investigative work to date, the NTSB has determined that a fan mid-shaft on the failed GEnx engine fractured at the forward end of the shaft, rear of the threads where the retaining nut is installed. The fan mid-shaft is undergoing several detailed examinations including dimensional and metallurgical inspections.

The GEnx engine is a newly designed aircraft engine. It is a "dual shaft" engine, meaning that one shaft connects the compressor spool at one end to the high pressure turbine spool at the other end. A longer "fan shaft" connects the fan and booster in the front of the engine to the low pressure turbine in the back.

The cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder, which is a combined unit on the 787 Dreamliner, was transported to the agency's Recorders Laboratory in Washington, DC for processing and readout. Both recordings captured the event and analysis is ongoing.

Moving forward, investigators will continue the detailed examination of the engine and metallurgical analysis of its components. The investigators have also begun reviewing the engine manufacturing and assembly records.

This investigation is ongoing. The information released today is factual in nature and does not include any analysis. Additional factual information may be released as it is developed.



Sounds like a serious issue.

I'm hoping it's a manufacturing defect, because if it's a design defect, this is going to be a massive problem for Boeing and GE.

[Edited 2012-08-08 15:38:58]


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12486 times:

This is a small note describing a bit of A.Net history that newer A.nettters may not be familiar with.

These Indian Aviation threads were the brainchild of A.netter "LAXDESI". It started, of course with thread ONE and we are now at thread 99. A very nice accomplishment and kudos to LAXDESI for the idea and leadership in this area.

Till about three years back LAXDESI would usually be the thread starter of each next installment thread in this series, but he did say it was fine for others to start the next installment of these threads..

However, back in thread 83, on September 04, 2009, LAXDESI made a small request - to be allowed to be the thread starter of the 100th thread of this series. I just would like to take a minute to remind old-timers and inform newcomers of this.

Mr. LAXDESI, Thank you, and awaiting your initiating the 100th thread in about 200 posts from now. I hope others will again remind posters downstream in this thread as it nears 200 posts.



The best time to plant a tree is 40 years ago. The second best time is today.
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12475 times:

Thanks for pointing it out:

Quote: LAXDesi
Thanks for starting the new thread. Going forward, everyone who posts regularly on this thread should feel free to start a new thread after 200 posts(forum rule). Please link the new thread in the last post of previous one as I have been doing. However, I would like to start the 100th thread when it comes about in a year or so. Hope I have earned that honor.

I have taken on more professionally, and therefore will have very little time left to post-- but I will be reading this thread as much as I can.

I hope all of you keep posting and keep this the most(?) successful country specific thread on A.net.

Took a couple years longer than he expected to hit 100 threads though...   

[Edited 2012-08-08 18:31:28]


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12334 times:

True LAXDESI needs to be given credit for starting the thread,unless there is no attempt from his side for a few days.....

Amazing #99 has been reached.......

Congrats to all Involved.....



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12274 times:

oooh, cant wait till #100  .

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12190 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 2):
Mr. LAXDESI, Thank you, and awaiting your initiating the 100th thread in about 200 posts from now. I hope others will again remind posters downstream in this thread as it nears 200 posts.

Thank you for your kind words, and pulling up my request to initiate the 100th thread from thread #83.

I am glad that aeroblogger has been very prompt on starting new threads, and I hope he, along with others, will continue to keep the thread going after the 100th one.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12168 times:

I posted this in the 9W/Star thread but it's also relevant here.

It looks like Star is finally done with AI.

http://www.rediff.com/business/slide...ndias-star-dream-ends/20120809.htm

Quote:
Speaking to Business Standard on a wide range of developments in the aviation sector, Civil Aviation Minister Ajit Singh said, "To be part of the alliance, every member has to agree and that has not happened, especially after the pilots' strike, when we lost a lot of credibility.

"They have practically said no and have sent us a letter last week.

"We have asked Air India to look for other options and alliances."



What the...?
User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12119 times:

Good job LAXDESI! Appreciate your initiative in starting separate threads for Indian aviation news and discussion.

Has AI announced any new routes for the new 787s yet?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12101 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):

Thank you for your kind words, and pulling up my request to initiate the 100th thread from thread #83.

you deserve the honour  



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12044 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 9):
Has AI announced any new routes for the new 787s yet?

DEL-MEL/SYD will be served by the 787 when it arrives. DEL-LHR has also been rumored, in order to have Kangaroo route conectivity.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12043 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):

I posted this in the 9W/Star thread but it's also relevant here.

It looks like Star is finally done with AI.

does this mean that Jet will be in Star now???


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12034 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 12):
does this mean that Jet will be in Star now???

Probably.

But then again, when it comes to Indian aviation, you can't count on things going to plan.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12025 times:

Whats the news on Quikjet.....Looks unlikely that the project would ever take off similiar to Flyington Freighters.


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12018 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 14):
similiar to Flyington Freighters.

Well, Flyington recently got it's AOC



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User currently offlineViman82 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12016 times:

Ridiculous UA fares on EWR-BOM for WInter 2012.

What is driving UA fares so high for November-December. Average price is 1700 range for R/T Non stop flights. In comparision AI is 1300 range with all EU airlines offering one stop flights in 1400 range.

Is this normal pricing for this time of the year since it is the peak season of travel?


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12007 times:

Quoting Viman82 (Reply 16):
Is this normal pricing for this time of the year since it is the peak season of travel?

Pricing is higher than usual, due to increased demand, good capacity discipline, and the AI strike. I doubt it'll go any cheaper.

TK and AI are the only airlines I'm seeing which are priced reasonably this winter season.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11884 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 14):

Well, Flyington recently got it's AOC

My belief that this company will never start.....  



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 8):
Has AI announced any new routes for the new 787s yet?

Barring the rumored Australian routes and domestic sectors of BOM/DEL/HYD not much officially

However they have filed for a 787 slot at DXB at one of their already available slots of 1700 hrs and 1800 hrs,

This could either be from BOM or DEL as currently both see 321 service arriving into DXB at 1700 and departing at 1800 hrs


On a side note,

LAXDESI its been a long journey who would have thought we would have hit 100 threads on Indian Aviation , thank you for starting these

Karan


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5880 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11786 times:

What hapened to the thread 99 tarted by LAXdesi? why didnt anyone post in that it only had two posts one of which was a query as to why no one was posting there.

Anyways want to know what makes MAA a popular cargo destination, just about every cargo line is flying there.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11782 times:

There are two #99s. The other one should be deleted, I guess.

Re-posting what I had posted there:

"Vijay Mallya to striking pilots: Understand the extreme hardship that I am going through"

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...-Airlines/articleshow/15427863.cms

The man has some gall. The reader comments say it all! Anywhere else, he'd never get away with not paying staff for months while flaunting his lavish lifestyle and then blaming the staff when they agitate for their pay! He is essentially operating while insolvent, something that it completely not permissible in the airline industry anywhere else in the world!

A good rejoinder in FirstPost:

http://www.firstpost.com/business/wh...uld-call-mallyas-bluff-413421.html


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11762 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 14):

Well, Flyington recently got it's AOC

My belief that this company will never start.....  

Given the state of finances of Deccan Chronicle Holdings, I doubt they'll ever start - these classy guys even tried to blackmail EADS if one recalls. Now they can't pay their media employees nor the cricketers on the Chargers payroll. Debt funded dreams....



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User currently offlineVIDP From India, joined Feb 2010, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11635 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 18):
Barring the rumored Australian routes and domestic sectors of BOM/DEL/HYD not much officially

There was a talk that AI-131/130 BOM-LHR would be shifted to 787 from 77W . ( was their in the media as well) Shall i assume that was all rubbish .


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11633 times:

Quoting VIDP (Reply 22):
There was a talk that AI-131/130 BOM-LHR would be shifted to 787 from 77W . ( was their in the media as well) Shall i assume that was all rubbish .

No. LHR, FRA, DXB, MEL, and SYD are the expected early destinations.

It would seem more likely that the LHR service would come from DEL though, since the 787 fleet is based in DEL.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11527 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 21):
Given the state of finances of Deccan Chronicle Holdings, I doubt they'll ever start - these classy guys even tried to blackmail EADS if one recalls. Now they can't pay their media employees nor the cricketers on the Chargers payroll. Debt funded dreams..

A Pity that people think running an airline is putting out an ad & hoping to get $$$$ to start an airline,bargin with competiton for cheaper aircraft & give media Interviews on future startups & plans  



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25 tayaramecanici : The GECF680 series of engines suffered a design fault which led to similar mid-span shaft failure, indeed this did not stop GE from selling these eng
26 777way : Tajik Air have ended DEL service which operating once weekly with 737-500.
27 HAWK21M : Exactly......this is a serious senario not only for KFA but also the Airports in India.
28 gr8circle : Chennai has developed into a major manufacturing hub over the past decade or so.....they have a strong automobile industry, engineering goods, textil
29 VIDP : AI-111/AI-112 DEL-LHR-DEL is operated by 777 so does that imply that equipment will change to 787 on this flight or AI-115/116 will come online again
30 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : Saw this at DEL T3, I see an A388 marking as well just beside A300/A342-343. Are domestic gates capable of handling A388s?
31 Post contains images aeroblogger : I presume that AI will want to rejig the LHR schedule to connect with the Kangaroo route. To remind, the tentative Australia schedule is: Flight No.
32 CaliAtenza : any chance the ban on the A380 will be lifted in India? I mean if it such a big deal, why doesnt AI just go buy a few....
33 aeroblogger : Doesn't seem likely in the near future. Thankfully, Airbus hasn't managed to convince the babus that AI needs A380s. That would be a disaster for the
34 anshuk : I remember seeing A380 markings back when T3 had just opened at every stand, so perhaps its just a case of the markings being made at every stand.
35 Post contains links 777way : Saudia map shows them serving AMD as a non-scheduled destination, is that hajj only or seasonal umra flights? http://www.saudiairlines.com/portal/...c
36 aeroblogger : Hajj only I believe.
37 AirIndia : In case of emergencies..... DEL is one of EK's contigency 380 airports........ besides 2 years back Ek380 did come on the first commercial 380 flight
38 Post contains images BLRAviation : Technically there is no ban on the A380 in India. It is cleared by DGCA for operations. The Ministry of Civil Aviation is hiding behind the fact that
39 Post contains images lightsaber : Also note India also specifies 400 seats as the maximum. However, the open skies with the USA over-rides that limit. So there just needs to be a US A
40 HAWK21M : No ban.....just a political decision post getting the Bays to be ready.
41 spink : So what you are saying is that LH needs to "wet lease" a 380 to UA?
42 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : Yeah right, so much for serving the Indian market
43 aeroblogger : Actually, that would be really interesting... Could LH operate the A380 on a sector like EWR-FRA-DEL, having "wet leased" the aircraft out to UA? The
44 Post contains links BLRAviation : Actually the agreement says There is no mention of 400. Is there a later agreement after 2005? The agreement is here. http://dgca.nic.in/bilateral/ge
45 JoeCanuck : That's awesome...I love loopholes. It looks like LH has one likely destination for the 748i..
46 Post contains links and images lightsaber : You know, I had *never* considered that option! What a clever and simple solution. Assuming I'm wrong on the 400 seats... ( I wonder... That would be
47 aeroblogger : It looks like AI has dropped the reverse triangle Australia route. Here's the new schedule: AI 312 DEL 0140 SYD 1915/2045 MEL 2215 787/77L/77W D AI 31
48 lightsaber : If AI is able to set up the LHR slots, Kudos to them. I've posted before, DEL would be a phenomenal geographic location for a hub. Due to the far hig
49 JOYA380B747 : Competitive ticket pricing, seamless transit experience are AI's key to make this Europe-DEL-Aus Hub a success. Owners of AI, if with any brains, sho
50 smi0006 : Interesting route plan. When is this route due to commence? Am I reading correctly that the route will be operated by all three aircraft types on dif
51 Karan69 : They kind of had done that with Connections within 1.5 hrs to 3 hrs to most major cities in India , especially once t3 operations began LHR/BKK/HKG/F
52 HAWK21M : So is 19th August at DEL for the B787 Accurate......
53 Post contains images lightsaber : Ok, is the Indian busy or lean airline quarter coming up? I've read sources saying a busy quarter is coming and others saying a lean quarter. Which is
54 aeroblogger : Delivery to take place at the end of this week, so that wouldn't surprise me. No, the flight will be operated primarily by one of those 3 aircraft. A
55 buck3y3nut : Wishing you all a Happy Independence Day!!!
56 bizmark03 : Ethopian just took the delivery of their first 787, becoming the first operator out of Japan. I bet the guys at AI are thinking "mera number kab aayeg
57 BLRAviation : However, please check the open-skies agreement, it will specify flights between India and the USA.
58 aeroblogger : EWR-FRA-DEL is a flight between USA and India...
59 lightsaber : Do you have a link? I would assume the US has 5th freedom rights. They certainly have rights with a stop. But this is just a.net fodder. I doubt a US
60 Post contains links BLRAviation : This will require a lawyer to interpret properly. http://dgca.nic.in/bilateral/usa_asa.pdf but it appears there is no restriction on the aircraft. Ho
61 karan69 : UA/CO do operate a non stop from EWR to DEL which gets tremendously good loads owing to its connections The market might not seem as profitable to th
62 Post contains links and images HAWK21M : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ohol-test/articleshow/15532158.cms Glad the cargo folks are clean
63 aeroblogger : DL flies JFK-AMS-BOM, and 9W flies via BRU... I don't see why EWR-FRA-DEL wouldn't be permitted. DL and UA are the 2 744 operators in the US.
64 lightsaber : some is clear: section 2.5 Allows transfer between aircraft of passengers. e.g., DEL-FRA-EWR and BOM-FRA-IAD could scissor hub. Article 8 bullet 7 al
65 JOYA380B747 : Which seems very surprising to me considering the EWR-DEL non stop tickets are exorbitantly high. Its economy fares rival AI and some LH business cla
66 spink : Part of the issue at least for biz travel is that a large portion of that market is geographically located such that non-stops are all ULH flights (w
67 Post contains links and images JOYA380B747 : Found this, Govt backs AI: Can’t make money, won’t let others try either Quote: This is ridiculous, can they do this!!
68 9w748capt : Same crap they've been doing for years. And they wonder why it still doesn't work. Don't tell our friend aeroblogger though.
69 aeroblogger : I agree completely. If what the article says is true, this is absolutely ridiculous. Let me find out what AI has to say about it...
70 777way : Thai Cargo are flying again to MAA as once weekly BKK-MAA-AMS-BKK.[Edited 2012-08-18 05:56:36]
71 JoeCanuck : If somebody wrote this as a script, nobody could possible make it believable...yet, here we are. Amazing.
72 Post contains images HAWK21M : A few more Regional startups lined up.....
73 aeroblogger : Load factor info for last month is published by the DGCA: 6E: 75.5% S2: 71.7% 9W: 67.1% SG: 66.3% AI: 64.7% G8: 63.2% IT: 53 % A very rough month for
74 Nimish : Devesh - NW used to operate via AMS for years, and it's certainly an option. Pre-911, UA used to operate the RTW flights via DEL too.
75 lightsaber : First, thank you for the information. I wonder what the break even load factor is for each airline. As for IT, I think it is done. If my job was depe
76 BLRAviation : Yes, but NW had fifth freedom rights from AMS. Like Singapore has fifth freedom rights from Japan, so their SIN-NRT-LAX SQ11/12 service can ticket an
77 aeroblogger : This July, airlines transported almost 10% passengers less than they did last July. To be honest, I'm not really sure why load factors crashed so muc
78 lightsaber : Scoobi says: ruh roh... The news on the fare increases? I'm not talking about actual fares, but rather is the perception of high fares dissuading cus
79 aeroblogger : Fares definitely have been noticeably creeping up towards more sustainable levels... It's certainly a possibility.
80 Cricket : Noticably is an understatement for India-Europe and India-US. My brother-in-law in paying 90k AMD-DXB-DUS on EK Y; last year he paid 50k at the same
81 WarmNuts : ^ This. Having been traveling the US-India route for fifteen years running, I prefer a connection en route accompanied by a few hours' layover. This
82 BOMRPR : Market Share of Scheduled Domestic Airlines in July-12 6E: 27% 9W: 19.4% S2: 7.2% 9W+S2: 26.6% AI: 18.2% SG: 17.8% G8: 7.0% IT: 3.4%
83 HAWK21M : Why not combine Jet & Jetlite stats.....
84 comorin : I'm afraid I feel just the opposite! The ULH results in much less jet lag and fatigue and the civilized hours of arrival and departure make a BIG dif
85 Post contains links lightsaber : Price shock, even if just returning to sustainable levels, will drive customers out of the market. Putting in order 6E: 27% (is that 27.0%?) 9W+S2: 2
86 Post contains images WarmNuts : From 1997 through 2004 I flew RTW, so either outbound or inbound was TPAC, and while I'm not certain if LAX-SIN or LAX-HKG would be considered ULH, t
87 goacom : A question for you folks: Is a 4 hour window sufficient enough to pick up my baggage, clear customs and get to the domestic terminal from the internat
88 Cricket : Immigration in India is very fast usually, if you have a PIO/OCI card you should be in fast and even otherwise, I hear BOM airport (I usually fly thr
89 BOMRPR : Yes.. its 27.0% 6E is has becum the largest Indian domestic carrier in terms of passenger carried.
90 BLRAviation : Lufthansa has announced the Boeing 747-8i for Bangalore Frankfurt from September 13th. The story is on Bangalore Aviation.
91 BLRAviation : Because Jet operates on two different operator permits. If you recall my story on JetKonnect, Jet has Konnect flights with Jet livery aircraft on bot
92 HAWK21M : true...But with statistics it gives an Impression that Indigo is larger....
93 WarmNuts : In a word, yes.
94 Post contains links Cricket : Meanwhile, one of Kingfisher's top pilots flew a women in the cockpit and locked the door.... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...n-cockpit/article
95 Post contains images WarmNuts : ...and unless those wingtips are rockin', don't come a knockin'.
96 BOMRPR : Another feather plucked from the poor bird
97 Post contains links Cricket : My friend Tarun has written this piece in Mint saying how Mangalore and six other airports are still unsafe http://www.livemint.com/2012/08/2223...ang
98 aeroblogger : arrey, who cares? What difference did it make to safety? Just an example of how our news media is becoming more tabloid-y each day. I hope they fix i
99 anshuk : If only you could "like" posts on a.net! The pilot in question on IT also frequently flies VJM's private A319. He's a very senior pilot, and I though
100 lightsaber : 6E was, for one month, larger in terms of passengers carried domestically in India. 6E 27.0% vs. 9W+S2: 26.6% Now, that is due to domestic load facto
101 Post contains links Cricket : Yet another 'near-miss' at BOM http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/...-Jet-planes-at-Mumbai-airport.html There have been enough times when while movin
102 WestWing : I suspect shoddy, ill-informed journalism in the Mumbai mirror article. In my opinion, no competent controller would cancel takeoff clearance to the J
103 WarmNuts : If they never used 14/32, then at +/-630 aircraft movements per day I'd say BOM would be the second-busiest single-runway airport in the world, as we'
104 aeroblogger : This is the only quote of relevance:
105 JOYA380B747 : I wanted to know why Spain/Portugal does not have a direct flight from India, all the other major European nations do. In fact Spain's connectivity wi
106 Post contains links lightsaber : I need a translation of Indian economics: "According to the figures, Air India earned a revenue of Rs 1,711.23 crore and incurred total cost of Rs 2,6
107 aeroblogger : Air India has taken delivery of first 787, registered VT-ANH. Delivery ceremony to be held Monday, and aircraft will arrive in India on Tuesday.
108 Post contains images HAWK21M : Tune in to ATC & watch the speed of communication, it is hectic Finally.........
109 JoeCanuck : I think I just saw a flock of porkers in V formation overhead.
110 Post contains links lightsaber : I'm surprised there has been no discussion on this CAPA report. Does IT really need $1 billion of investment to stay viable? Since that is enough to b
111 Post contains images WarmNuts : Would you be so kind as to rewrite your last post so I can make sure I am reading it right? I thought I read that AI is actually taking delivery of a
112 WestWing : ToI has a little more detail on the BOM 9W/AI 'near miss' incident. In summary, ToI say a "newcomer" tower controller cleared a 9W A330 for takeoff w
113 aeroblogger : My post is accurate... AI has taken delivery (aka they now own the aircraft on paper), and the delivery ceremony will take place Monday, for a Monday
114 Post contains images WarmNuts : This should be enough to both cover my last post and to sprinkle liberaly through future posts in the event I forget to include one:
115 Post contains images aeroblogger : Ohh Sarcasm went completely over my head.
116 darkroast : Yippee, a LH 748 to BLR! Done, I know what I'm booking now.[Edited 2012-08-24 20:30:36]
117 darkroast : How does one tune into ATC without being in Bombay and owning a scanner?
118 JOYA380B747 : As far as I know the only active 744 in AI is the EVA used for ferrying the President.
119 aeroblogger : There are 3 active 744s, along with 2 grounded ones (which will be activated for Hajj season). 1 is used for ferrying the president, the other 2 are
120 bizmark03 : +1
121 Lutfi : cathay to start 4 pw to HYD from HKG in December, using A330
122 Post contains links BLRAviation : Few observations please. 1. BOM is a 2 runway airport. Not single runway. Yes these runways are crossing, so that limits the effectiveness of the sec
123 BLRAviation : CX or KA?
124 aeroblogger : CX. KA does not have any widebodies..
125 Skyeurope : No? What about Dragonair's A330-300s?
126 aeroblogger : Oh, you're right.. It looks like KA has some a330s. I always thought the CX/KA relationship was exactly like the SQ/MI one - SQ operates the widebodi
127 JOYA380B747 : KA already flies their largest a/c yet, the A333 to BLR..... since about 2 years.
128 HAWK21M : Indian ATC is not broadcasted on the net so tough.......
129 Post contains links and images BLRAviation : Rohit. Explain this pic of mine http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6937889 of a KA A333 at BIAL.
130 Post contains images aeroblogger : Lovely picture As I clarified earlier, I got the fleets of KA and MI confused... Regardless, it will be a CX A330, not KA.. Flights CX 646/649
131 Cricket : I know 14/32 exists, but how many movements in a day even use that runway? I once landed on 32 and believe me when I say echos of Kai-Tak. Didn't SQ
132 comorin : Hey, that gives me a great idea! Why not break up AI into two airlines? AI could be the wide-body airline and the other (maybe we call it IC?) could
133 Post contains images Cricket : Hmmmmm.....
134 Post contains images comorin : OK, Cricket, you heard it here first!
135 BLRAviation : During morning and evening peak hours both runways are used. I would estimate 14/32 is used for about 25% of movements per day. SQ, SV, and one other
136 lightsaber : AI was combined with the domestic operations as the idea was that having domestic feeding international and vice versa would increase the profits. Wi
137 Post contains links aeroblogger : FYI: 9W May Not Join *A (by aeroblogger Aug 26 2012 in Civil Aviation)
138 Post contains images AirIndia : They tried this for a few decades but guess it dint work.......
139 aeroblogger : Quite contrary, it worked reasonably well. Both airlines were actually profitable on their own... A comprehensive codesharing agreement and anti-trus
140 AirIndia : ofcourse. i was being sarcastic. Also i guess the aim of the merger was to get "comprehensive codesharing agreement and anti-trust immunity (to allow
141 aeroblogger : The aim was to line the pockets of various individuals. Nothing more, nothing less.
142 karan69 : Yup i assume you got a nice view of the Trombay hill and the oil refineries 14/32 IMO does not get used as often as it should it is usually used just
143 Post contains links Cricket : But real scary is a 14 approach over Versova, Lokhandwala and Andheri - you can almost reach out to the tops of the skyscrapers, this was a memorable
144 Post contains links Cricket : In answering, I forgot to ask the question I wanted to ask. With every passing day this Gopal Kanda and MDLR issue is getting more and more bizarre. T
145 Post contains images HAWK21M : Brilliant idea....now I wonder why no one thought of it before.....regards PP.
146 Post contains links tayaramecanici : http://www.firstpost.com/business/dg...lines-financial-stress-432321.html New Delhi: Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA), the aviation regula
147 Cricket : When I write that Vijay Mallya is a scumbag, I doubt you will find anyone here disagrees. His letters are not worth the paper they're printed on. I d
148 aeroblogger : There is very little that can be said about the KFA situation any more... Employees who are still "employed" at KFA should really be thinking about w
149 Post contains links tayaramecanici : Obviously you do not hold a License from DGCA or any other regulator for that matter to understand the requirements to keep them CURRENT. Firstly the
150 Cricket : While that is true, a lot of KF pilots, crew and engineers have moved on to 6E and the Middle-East. It is just that I believe KFA over-hired and not
151 lightsaber : The issue is the internet overwhelms people and their ability to store information. It is as if the early 2000 aviation bust (minor compared to today
152 tharanga : Are we feeling the anticipation for the century thread? It was always obvious to me that the recent huge expansion would lead to some failures - it ha
153 aeroblogger : I hold a student pilot's certificate from the FAA and will soon hold a PPL. I am fully aware of the fact that licences need to be kept current. Findi
154 hohd : I flew MDLR a few times, the flights were on time. However cant say much about the food, they were barely edible.
155 JoeCanuck : Pilots and crew have to look overseas for employment. There are other airlines, especially in Asia, which are expanding. EK, for one, is always lookin
156 Cricket : Although, technically Modiluft survived - via a convoluted route but that AOC transferred to SpiceJet. I flew Damania once BOM-DEL as I did not get a
157 JOYA380B747 : My first 9W flight was IXB-DEL around '97-'98, and after flying Damania so many times, the food and service in 9W seemed heavenly.
158 Post contains links BOMRPR : SG quickly filling in for the routes curtailed by IT http://www.spicejet.com/jabalpur_landing.asp
159 tayaramecanici : India has been witnessing very high level of crony capitalism and bureaucratic nepotism. Additionally the Govt of India has been delaying the introdu
160 Cricket : Yup, they started Delhi - Shimla and D'doon too; conveniently after a strike by KFA's AT7 pilots, but I can't blame them. I believe some have gone ov
161 JoeCanuck : It's such a warm and fuzzy feeling to know that daddy may have bought your pilot his license.
162 Post contains links Vimanav : How much more will they protect Mallya and his Airline. We are truly a pathetic excuse of a Civil Aviation Ministry if this is how far they will go to
163 Post contains images HAWK21M : How does VJM do it.....
164 Post contains images aeroblogger : It's not hard. I could do it too if I had that kind of money. You just have to value it like the paper it's made of
165 Post contains links Vimanav : And some more Vijay Mallya donates gold door I wonder how many such doors he's done at Rajiv Gandhi Bhawan. brgds//Vimanav
166 Cricket : Money, women... the problem is that he is quickly running out of the former; but the current Civil Aviation Minister is a bigger crook than one of hi
167 aeroblogger : AS is nothing compared to his father... I guess it runs in the family.
168 tharanga : Yes - from my memories from that time period, 9W was wonderful. Yeah, but I don't think that counts. The AOC might be the same, but it's different pe
169 AirIndia : VJM is busy retweeting. Last he retweeted a tweet by an Indigo pax who was late that said- That is some cheek from VJM. People who stay in houses of
170 Cricket : Yup, he has been tweeting on ethics a lot as well... ROTFL stuff really. Agreed, but not only was the AOC the same the BSE/NSE listing identity remai
171 BOMRPR : Their webpage does't display flights to Shimla, any clue on the inagural date? DED today has 9 daily flights from DEL from 0 a few years back. Even t
172 Cricket : And is DEL-DED up to nine? I see one KFA, two SG, one AI and two 9W - six not nine. I don't think DEL-SLV has started as yet, but I hear that they're
173 karan69 : If your video was a bit clearer you would be able to see my apartment its located in the Juhu suburb Yes i remember it was in 2007 because AIX had be
174 777way : When did AIX quit Dhaka and Bangkok? did they ever serve Kathmandu?
175 Cricket : And you didn't go to consumer court? :-P I used to fly on Sahara a bit also because they had the best fares DEL-CCU as my grandparents will still in
176 karan69 : Haha what can a 9 year old boy do at the time when he is away from his mommy If you dont mind my asking what was the cost of the 9W ticket compared t
177 BOMRPR : You're right.. I considered code-share flights too :-p
178 Post contains images aeroblogger : Maybe it's that when I was 9, I was in the sue-happy country of the US, but I would have been happy to sue when I was 9
179 NYC777 : So did AI officially take ownership of any 787?
180 HAWK21M : If VJM has that kind of money...how about paying a few months of the outstanding salaries of the unfortunate employees....
181 aeroblogger : He does have access to that kind of money. Which makes what IT employees are going through all the more disgusting. Instead of stepping in and trying
182 lightsaber : I 2nd the question. Lightsaber
183 Post contains links Cricket : The Hindustan Times today claims that HT might have an 'operational shutdown' soon - my only issue with the story is that 'Mallya has invested Rs 4000
184 Post contains links and images comorin : Ask, and ye shall receive: From "the Case of the Missing Bird" in WSJ India: http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2...ird/?mod=WSJ_hp_India_EditorsPick
185 HAWK21M : A disgruntled & underpressure Employee could loose it & be a serious situation at the Airport,considering the pressures involved of no salary
186 Post contains links lightsaber : What a second, how many ministries have been involved? The Air Ministry didn't give approval until more striking pilots were re-instated. I recall th
187 comorin : Let's not forget the Ministry of Silly Walks...
188 aeroblogger : every single ministry must sign off before delivery can happen. The system is ridiculous beyond belief.
189 goacom : As I have been saying, these new aircraft (not to mention the billions that have been poured into AI) will do little to change the long term fortunes
190 777way : PIA have reduced frequency and capacity from KHI to BOM now twice weekly A310/737 down from previous thrice weekly A310 and DEL once weekly 737 down f
191 Post contains links lightsaber : Of course. They're still upset the ministry of defense has a higher budget so they need these 'income enhancing opportunities.' http://www.youtube.co
192 Post contains links and images JOYA380B747 : http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ease-soon/articleshow/16146727.cms Another Fuel Price hike (7.6%), this is ridiculous. Why does India have so m
193 Post contains images BLRAviation : Why is everyone so cynical? Why is there an automatic assumption that there is something dastardly afoot within the GoI? Yes, the bureaucrats and pol
194 JoeCanuck : Frankly everyone involved has earned every bit of the derision and mocking they've received. It's inconceivable that a person could look at the situa
195 Post contains images comorin : Totally. Apologists, take note. Indians are very accepting of irrationality and confusion in their daily lives but even they are totally fed-up now -
196 BLRAviation : Fully agree with you. It is exactly what I was trying to say. The blame is not one sided. PP and his cronies needed the connivance of both Boeing and
197 aeroblogger : I don't have a problem with the process per se - a lot of the functions carried out are necessary. However, my problem is the pace at which this happ
198 tharanga : This is not universal, but still a general idea: governments aren't going to make commercial decisions at a very fast pace. So you have to ask, why a
199 aeroblogger : I don't really agree - AI applied for a waiver from a bunch of PSU requirements a few years ago, which the government (unfortunately) refused. AI run
200 AI : 200th post !!! I hope "LaxDesi" has been watching this thread & is ready to do the honours of starting the 100th thread. AI
201 lightsaber : As Aeroblogger noted, the pace is too slow. Modern business requires faster adaption. If one can start/stop/make seasonal/upgauge/epand/hub, etc. fas
202 Post contains links LAXDESI : THIS THREAD IS CLOSED. PLEASE GO TO PART 100. Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100 (by LAXDESI Sep 2 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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