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Rumor: Hawaiian & DL Merger  
User currently offlinen313us From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 5 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18845 times:

I heard a rumor that DL is going to buy Hawaiian Airlines and they are going to be merged together meaning Hawaiian Airlines is going to disappear. Has anyone else heard this same rumor?

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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18810 times:

Delta folks like to throw this one around.

Don't know if theres any merit behind it, but it would make me very sad.



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User currently onlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18773 times:

I've heard it on a nearly monthly basis for years. Personally, I don't see where DL would benefit from it, given that they can do anything HA does by buying their own planes and putting them in HNL, and it would be cheaper for them to do it that way than buy HA. It's just another rumor making the rounds. Keep moving on... nothing to see here...

HAL



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 18454 times:

Quoting n313us (Thread starter):
I heard a rumor that DL is going to buy Hawaiian Airlines and they are going to be merged together meaning Hawaiian Airlines is going to disappear. Has anyone else heard this same rumor?

I first heard the rumor that AA was going to buy AS in 1997. Then AS's CEO was somewhere in Georgia so DL was going to buy AS. It's 2012 and the Eskimo still flies independently.

Like AS, HA fills a niche quite well that doesn't seem like it would be nearly as successful in a Major legacy carrier's network. Considering that DL has cutback quite a few Hawaii routes, I have trouble believing this one.

Is HA looking to merge with someone?


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3936 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 18364 times:

Would such a merger be beneficial for HA and it's shareholders in any way ? HA seems to be doing well the way it is right now. Would be a shame to see yet another US airline be merged into another, especially such an airline as HA, who from what I understand has a way better onboard product than DL and most US airlines has.

( Never flown HA unfortunetly )

Besides, I like the Hula lady livery on the tail of HA . Best livery on any US airline at the moment  Smile Would be a shame to see it go ...

[Edited 2012-08-08 16:19:31]

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 18327 times:

Please fix the title to state this is a rumor.

With DL doing more and more HA maintenance, it is not surprising that rumors can start. DL does HA's 767 maintenance in SEA, and the A330s are ferried to other stations such as MSP for maintenance.



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6219 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 18251 times:

Rumors in the airline industry get crazier by the day, what's the next rumor- AA is going to buy G4 and make Mesa/Gateway a conrestone hub. All because G4 operates the MD-80. lol!
DL is not going to purchase HA, just like DL is not going to purchase AS.
Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 18147 times:

Great...let's ruin another awesome airline...

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17956 times:

Yes, a rumor. DL has nothing to gain by buying HA and HA has nothing to gain by selling. HA has said that they are not interested and they are doing very well on their own, which they are.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17868 times:

Quoting n313us (Thread starter):
I heard a rumor that DL is going to buy Hawaiian Airlines

This rumor (but more frequently DL+AS) has been around forever, pops up every week or so, and probably ain't happening

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):
Delta folks like to throw this one around.

Actually, I hear DL+AS being thrown around, but I've never seen a DL guy mention a DL+HA rumor... I think they understand DL enough to know that merging with HA wouldn't yield them very much. At least you can argue the case for DL+AS but I think that's unlikely as well



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17825 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 9):
At least you can argue the case for DL+AS but I think that's unlikely as well

Yeah, you can argue the case for DL's executives maybe lining their pockets and egos. Not much else would benefit that I can see.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 17413 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):

Delta folks like to throw this one around.

First time i have heard this one, now the whole AS rumor is a different story, thats thrown around.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17222 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
With DL doing more and more HA maintenance, it is not surprising that rumors can start. DL does HA's 767 maintenance in SEA, and the A330s are ferried to other stations such as MSP for maintenance.

Some 767 work is also done in ATL, overhauls at least.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17128 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
Is HA looking to merge with someone?

An HA/AS merger would be cool. I don't mean one brand takes over, but they have the same holding company and codeshare on every flight and other stuff, ala AF/KLM.

AS and someone else gets thrown around, a lot, to the point it's ridiculous. AS and HA have too big of niches to be in the sights of anyone for a merger. Although, I do like my merger idea above... they could name the company "People on Vert. Stabs. Air"  (thats my stupid, corny joke of the day) 



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17069 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 11):
First time i have heard this one, now the whole AS rumor is a different story, thats thrown around.

At least its been thrown around the HNL base. I've also heard a trifecta with AS and HA.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9418 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17009 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 2):

agreed. While the Asia growth would be nice, it would be better from LAX and SEA(IMO) (with another network addition that is)

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):

ATL does HA work too. HA has a 767 sitting in Bay 9 as we speak.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 9):

Actually, I hear DL+AS being thrown around, but I've never seen a DL guy mention a DL+HA rumor... I think they understand DL enough to know that merging with HA wouldn't yield them very much. At least you can argue the case for DL+AS but I think that's unlikely as well

pilots do all the time. Who wouldn't like idea of living in Hawaii for work?

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Yeah, you can argue the case for DL's executives maybe lining their pockets

lol.
And those damn employee's would get stock and such....worthless. Anyone who thinks about touching the ever so loved AS should simple be set on fire.



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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16757 times:

RUMOR!!! Not going to happen ...

DL could never provide the in-flight product/experience that HA serves its customers!



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16488 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 4):
Besides, I like the Hula lady livery on the tail of HA . Best livery on any US airline at the moment Would be a shame to see it go ...

I completely agree with you!

The quality sucks, yet it's still my favorite of all the pics I've ever taken! Getting up at 5am to see the inaugural arrival into JFK was so worth it!

I think that this merger, like the US/AA merger, would take one of the best liveries out of the sky. I know that this is not the logic the sotckholders and corporate heads use whe comtemplating a merger, but dammit it just might be one they oughtta try!            


User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16074 times:

Quoting n313us (Thread starter):

I heard that DL was actually going to take the Hawaiian name...  
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 12):

Some 767 work is also done in ATL, overhauls at least.

Yeah, but DL does a lot of 767 work for other airlines at ATL. I don't think they're merging with LAN anytime soon either...



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15857 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 18):
Yeah, but DL does a lot of 767 work for other airlines at ATL. I don't think they're merging with LAN anytime soon either...

Exactly....I hope this supposed (and IMHO crappy rumor) doesn't come from some person who see's other airlines aircraft in the Delta hangar in ATL. That's all that needs to be said about that...



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15846 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 16):
DL could never provide the in-flight product/experience that HA serves its customers!

I've never flown HA before, so exactly what is their "in-flight product/experience"?

DL's IFE is a lot more consistent throughout their wide-body fleet than HA's and it's complimentary-use.. can't imagine HA has five-star catering, either..



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User currently offlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15770 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 20):
I've never flown HA before, so exactly what is their "in-flight product/experience"?

DL's IFE is a lot more consistent throughout their wide-body fleet than HA's and it's complimentary-use.. can't imagine HA has five-star catering, either..

Unless I'm mistaken, HA is currently the only airline that includes meals in the ticket price of their trans-Pacific flights (with meal upgrades available for a fee.) Everyone else (AS, UA, AA, DL, etc.) does buy-onboard. Honestly, that's the main reason why HA is my first choice when I'm flying to the Mainland, because I know I'll have something decent to eat in the 5+ hours I'm on the plane.

IFE is pretty basic on the 767s (fee for headphones, no AVOD or PTVs, movies shown on overhead screens), but there's a limited supply of portable DigePlayers that are also available with on-demand music and movies. The A330s are supposed to have much nicer IFE equipment, with AVOD and PTVs, and a USB port to charge electronic accessories.

[Edited 2012-08-09 00:32:08]

[Edited 2012-08-09 00:32:41]

User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15761 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 13):
An HA/AS merger would be cool. I don't mean one brand takes over, but they have the same holding company and codeshare on every flight and other stuff, ala AF/KLM.

I've only ever heard this suggestion here on A.net. However, it's also the only one of these ridiculous, constant rumors that does make a certain amount of sense. Granted, I don't think it would ever, ever really happen. And afaik, it has never been officially even contemplated. However, if AS ever felt like they needed to get bigger to fend of any possible hostile takeover, I could see the Alaska Air Group buying Hawaiian Holdings Inc., then running both entities as seperate units but with very close co-operation. Operationally, timings would be adjusted, but otherwise not much would change. Only major shift I could potentially see would be a cancellation of the A350 orders, replaced with an 787 order. These would replace the 767's and, long-term, the A330's.

Sorry to go OT, but it's interesting to ponder. . .

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15672 times:

If you read a.net enough delta is about to take over every airline shortly

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9418 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15509 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 19):
doesn't come from some person who see's other airlines aircraft in the Delta hangar in ATL.

so wait....Delta isn't merging with the US Navy? ahhh crap!   

I was so ready to fly on a Rhino...  



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25 airportugal310 : All that plus what many people fail to realize is that Hawaiian is primarily a destination carrier. The motto of "Hawai'i Starts Here" is that they c
26 jetjack74 : This is such rubbish, it really is. It's been tossed around by people who create the grandest of conspiracy theories cooked up by people who know no m
27 RWA380 : This is another thread that keeps rearing it's ugly little head. The conversations that have existed in the past that I have read, seemed to all come
28 usdcaguy : I don't see why DL could not just buy HA but keep it as a separate brand. They could even rebrand their DL nonstops from Hawaii to Japan as Hawaiian A
29 NWAESC : Well, something had to the replace the "When will the DC9's retire?" threads...
30 bobnwa : Just how would DL's executives line their own pockets and egos with a merger with either HA or AS. Do people just start this rumor so that later on w
31 Trucker : And with DL picking up all those 717s you gotta figure DL will be doing the maintenance on HA's 717s. Alot of fleet commonality here. HA is making mo
32 mayor : Actually, I think they start these rumors, just so they'll have some reason to slam the airline that they currently hate. It seems to get worse as an
33 brilondon : Doesn't AS and HA code share or have an agreement with DL already? What would both airlines get from this merger. I don't see it being anything but a
34 WA707atMSP : These rumours start up on ANet almost like clockwork. I think the people who initiate them have "Delta Merger Partner" dartboards.
35 richierich : I had the good fortune of recently flying to Hawaii. Managed to take HA on the way out (B767) and DL on the way back to the mainland (B752). To be ho
36 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : About the only thing that may happen is Delta may pick up Hawaiian's 717 overhaul maintenance. The rest is just pot stirring........
37 mrskyguy : Yes, I've heard it quite a bit. Delta Tech Ops manages Hawaiian's A330 program.
38 HAL : Would DL still be able to keep that profit going if they bought HA? What is it that allows HA to earn a profit where so many others don't? The point
39 Burkhard : Rumors of mergers have one purpose: Manipulate the share prices. Be sure that some Wall Street gambler has a bet on HA shares and manipulates the pric
40 N200WN : Mergers and rumors of mergers...wasn't this all predicted in the bible?
41 HNL-Jack : Enough already. If the DL fanboys had their way DL would be buying up everyone. This is an absurb rumor and it isn't going to happen.
42 ikramerica : Very true. Base 10 717s in HNL, paint some pretty flowers on them, and there you go. Not sure why DL would do this, but they could then go for local
43 Trucker : Good chance they could, especially if DL kept HA a separate entity and kept the current management in place. Even with a total integration, DL isn't
44 mayor : How do we know this rumor started with the DL fanboys?
45 HNL-Jack : We don't, but this is the 45th post on this ridiculous topic and all one has to do is read the posts to see who is keeping it going.
46 HAL : ...which would never, ever happen. The cost of keeping two airlines running with different certificates, contracts, crews, service, amenities, etc, w
47 Post contains images mayor : Well, with THIS reply and #46, YOU are keeping it going.......
48 enilria : Let me preface this by saying that I'm anti-merger. The industry is too consolidated now. I'm hearing that there is a ton of M&A activity and disc
49 Post contains links Hawaiian717 : This rumor has been going around since at least 1989; Hawaiian has been through a handful of bankruptcies and owners and Delta hasn't managed to buy t
50 DeltaMD90 : Uhhh like what? I'll give you DL+AS, I see that every week, and maybe jacking a hub from AA, but where are these mysterious threads of DL+B6 and DL+U
51 Post contains images RWA380 : HA and WN? Nope never heard this one ever. AS and DL have an agreement, AS and HA have not had an agreement in place for a while. Yes this is where I
52 Post contains images dlflynhayn : I flew the new Airbus in May from LAX-HNL and that meal if you call it that was awful just the smell of it maid me almost puke,and the nice P.T.V'S i
53 Post contains images mayor : Perhaps that's because the rumors since '89 weren't true.....that ALONE could be the reason that DL hasn't managed to buy HA.....because an offer was
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